smspillaz /join #bzr03:53
lifelessRAOF: ohhai, are you a good person to talk to about unity theme bugs ?03:59
lifelessRAOF: specifically bug 92074603:59
ubot2`Launchpad bug 920746 in unity "themes wonky - looks bad" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92074603:59
RAOFlifeless: No, not really.  Urgh, sympathies.  That looks really annoying.04:00
RAOFSomething would appear to have gone weird in your gnome-settings-daemon, though.04:01
RAOFlifeless: Could you install dconf-tools and check out the org/gnome/settings-daemon/plugins tree?  Particularly xsettings?04:03
RAOF(Oh, with dconf-editor)04:04
lifelessRAOF: what things from there do you want to know ?04:05
RAOFlifeless: If I disable the xsettings plugin I get something that looks a lot like what you've got.  Is the xsettings plugin enabled?04:05
lifelessinactive, grayscale, nothing disabled, nothing enabled, medium hinting,  priority 2, rgb04:06
RAOFTick the button to activate it.04:06
lifelesstheme works04:06
lifelessbut I cannot move windows04:07
RAOFWait for compiz to finish its screaming hissy fit.04:07
lifelesswow thats a long hissy fit04:07
RAOFIt's finished restarting after its crash?04:08
lifelessI presume so04:08
lifelessI can alt-tab now04:08
lifelesssloppy-focus isn't anymore, but at least it looks nice ;)04:09
lifelesswhat other plugins should be on by default?04:09
lifelessvery very very much not the case04:10
RAOFAre there any which are disabled?04:10
RAOFOh.  gconf is the only one of mine which is disabled.04:11
RAOFAnd that's just a migrate-from-gconf thing, so it probably turns itself off.04:11
lifelessbackground, clipboard, font, gconf, housekeeping, keybindings, keyboard, media-keys, mouse, print-notifications, smartcard, sound, wacom, xrandr04:11
lifeless(and xsettings, but its on now)04:12
RAOFSo, your system is not so much of the working then.04:12
lifelessshould I turn them all (but gconf) on ?04:12
lifelessRAOF: well, I *live* in uxterm + firefox + tomboy, so I've been piqued but not destroyed04:12
lifelessthe collapsing of titles in to the top left was really getting on my tits though :)04:13
lifelesscan't move my mouse now04:14
lifelesscan still click04:14
lifelessand evince segfaulted :)04:14
RAOFThe GNOME stack really loves settings changes.04:16
lifelessseriously, can I get my mouse back ?04:16
RAOFIt should come back by itself?04:16
lifelesscursor is there, won't move04:16
lifelesshmm, plugged in usb mouse, which works...04:17
lifelessdriver has shat itself?04:17
lifelessanoting in dmesg to suggest that04:17
RAOFProbably one of the plugins you enabled caused g-s-d to suddenly discover your touchpad and think it should be disabled.04:18
lifelessperipherals touchpad thingy shows enabled04:19
RAOF“xinput list” followed by “xinput list-props $TOUCHPAD_DEVICEID” could indicate that the enabled property has been toggled.04:19
lifelessTPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint                     id=12   [slave  pointer  (2)]04:20
lifeless-> id is 12 ?04:20
lifelesserm no04:20
lifelessperhaps SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad                id=10   [slave  pointer  (2)]04:20
RAOFHm.  It shouldn't have turned off the nubbin.04:20
lifelesswhich ?04:20
RAOFWhich one(s) isn't(aren't) working?  Or both!04:20
lifelesspad only04:20
RAOFThen 1004:21
lifelessI forgot I had a nipple04:21
lifelessso, list-props, and look for ?04:21
RAOFSynaptics Off (276)04:21
lifeless        Device Enabled (132):   104:21
RAOFWell, there are two things; one is Device Enabled, and one is Synaptics Off.04:21
lifeless        Synaptics Off (274):    104:21
lifelessRAOF: how do I tell it to be alive?04:22
RAOFxinput set-int-prop 10 274 8 004:23
RAOF(For those playing at home, that's $DEVICE_ID, $PROPERTY, 8-just-because, $VALUE04:23
lifelessthanks a lot04:26
lifelessis sloppy focus still available for those that want it ?04:26
lifeless(and if so, how does one get it ?)04:26
RAOFI think so; you'd need to venture in to the ccsm swamp to manage that.04:26
lifelessdoth not seem like it04:30
RAOFHuh.  I don't even have ccsm installed on this system.04:33
lifelessthis still works:04:33
lifelessright, thats enough spelunking04:35
lifelessoptimalish systme, back to work ;)04:36
RAOFOh, ah.  Yeah, uploading a 170MB attachment to launchpad aint happening.05:53
RAOFlifeless: Might I point you towards https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/squid3/+bug/93025205:54
ubot2`RAOF: Error: <Bugtracker.plugin.Launchpad instance at 0xa5ae8cc> bug 930252 not found05:54
RAOFlifeless: It's me and Sidnei wondering why squid's trying to allocate 10PB of memory for the swap.05:55
didrocksgood morning06:52
RAOFdidrocks: Heya!06:53
didrockshey RAOF, how are you?06:54
RAOFI'm *awesome*06:56
RAOFMuch like weasels.  They're also awesome.06:57
RAOFLike little orange ferrets!  How adorable!06:57
didrocksheh :)07:02
RAOFHows about yourself?07:02
pittiGood morning07:02
pittierk, the HUD gets in the way everytime I change virtual desktops07:05
didrockspitti: yeah, there was work to avoid that in compiz, but it's part of the patch I had to revert on Friday morning07:06
didrockspitti: it needs a patch in compiz (the new one is in a better shape) and a patch in unity07:07
pittididrocks: ah, thanks07:07
RAOFThank you for doing that, by the way.  My keyboard shortcuts work :)07:07
didrocksRAOF: my pleasure to make your day better! :)07:10
lifelessRAOF: -> upstream :)07:15
RAOFlifeless: Urgh.  I need to duplicate that on a bugzilla? :(07:15
lifelessRAOF: that or convince squid to move to LP for bugs;)07:16
RAOFlifeless: Or convince *you* to duplicate that on a bugzilla /-?07:17
lifelessjoin #squid-dewv07:20
lifelessjoin #squid-dev please07:20
RAOFOn freenode?07:20
lifelessbah, no 007:20
lifelessno -07:20
RAOFlifeless: You maintain squid in Debian/Ubuntu, right?  You saw that?07:36
lifelessRAOF: I don't07:37
lifelessRAOF: I try hard not to mix up upstream + packaging07:37
lifelessone or t'other, avoids circular reasoning07:38
lifeless(I fail on some stuff, buf if you ever need another hting to maintain, just shout)07:38
RAOFOk.  Debian's got 3.1.19.  Time for a merge.07:39
RAOFWe're not at a stage where merging a new upstream squid3 (3.1.19-1) requires a FFe much more than “fixes bug #930252 which prevents squid working at all”, right? :)08:06
ubot2`Launchpad bug 930252 in squid3 "squid3 crashed with SIGABRT in fatal_dump()" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93025208:06
GunnarHjpitti: Hi Martin! Did you see my explanation at https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubuntu/precise/accountsservice/locale-test/+merge/93404 ?08:09
pittihello GunnarHj08:11
pittiGunnarHj: I was on holiday yesterday, catching up with my huge inbox now08:11
GunnarHjpitti: Ok. :)08:12
chrisccoulsongood morning everyone08:30
pittihey chrisccoulson08:32
chrisccoulsonhi pitti, how are you?08:32
pittichrisccoulson: quite fine, thanks! we spent three nice days in Berlin08:32
didrocksno snow anymore? :)08:40
pittiit's almost entirely gone08:40
didrockspitti: oh, btw, reminder about reminding for the week report minder :p08:41
* pitti hugs didrocks08:41
* didrocks hugs pitti back08:41
chrisccoulsonthe snow here was a bit of an anti-climax. we only had a little bit :(08:43
didrocksah pitti launched the retracer :)08:46
pittiit keeps breaking on duplicate signature confusion08:46
didrockschrisccoulson: you are more in rain, isn't it? :)08:46
didrocksah :/08:46
pittione of these days I need to fix this properly08:46
didrocksit's launchpad timing out?08:46
chrisccoulsondidrocks, apparently not: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-17102615 ;)08:47
didrockschrisccoulson: who do you think will believe this? It's obviously a fake :)08:48
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ryeIf firefox/icedtea in precise is hanging on my banking site (and breaking firefox after this) - where do I start with debugging - the vm does not crash, it simply does not work09:09
micahgrye: is the banking site java?09:12
micahgah, icedtea, yeah, there's a known crasher ATM, but IIRC, there's an icedtea plugin log09:12
micahgI have to go through the open bugs later today, there are quite a few about java plugins ATM09:13
ryemicahg, what i am worried - it renders firefox unusable until restart09:13
ryewhich is kind of strange given that plugin runs in separate process09:13
micahgthere used to be a java error console, I don't know if that still exists09:14
micahgis there anything in the firefox error console?09:14
ryeThe program 'java' received an X Window System error.09:15
ryeoh shiny09:15
ryeand then firefox fails to redraw the UI, it fits09:16
seb128sorry, I'm a bit later than usual today09:31
seb128(had a bank appointment and time to come back)09:31
DavieyIs anyone else finding X really unstable this week?09:36
Davieymulti-touch mouse also not responding as you expect?09:36
seb128Daviey, try #ubuntu-x, didn't notice any issue but I use a normal 3 buttons usb mouse09:39
seb128no xorg issue09:39
seb128is pitti back?09:39
seb128pitti, it's meeting reminder day!09:39
Davieyseb128: thanks09:40
pittihey seb12809:41
pittiseb128: thanks! will do ASAP, just finishing up something09:41
seb128oh, a pitti ;-)09:41
seb128pitti, hello, wie gets? had a good w.e?09:41
pittiseb128: yes, indeed! we spent three nice days in Berlin09:41
seb128pitti, great ;-)09:46
chrisccoulsonhey seb12810:02
seb128hey chrisccoulson, how are you?10:03
chrisccoulsonseb128, yeah, not too bad thanks. although, i would have been better had i not trodden on the pins of an electrical plug first thing this morning :(10:03
seb128ouch :(10:04
chrisccoulsonyeah, i split the bottom of one of my toes10:04
seb128see at least european plugs are round :p10:04
chrisccoulsonbut, the plug ended up worse off ;)10:04
pittididrocks: meh @ unity-lens-video10:15
pittipython again10:15
davidcallepitti, my bad10:16
pittiwe just dropped system-config-printer applet, and now it's again back..10:16
didrockspitti: yeah, I know…10:16
pittididrocks: (not your fault, sorry, I'm just venting)10:16
pittididrocks: are we requrired to install this by default?10:16
seb128pitti, what's the issue with python?10:17
pitti(also, it's currently crashing like mad, but that'll get fixed)10:17
seb128pitti, shouldn't be an issue once bug #929506 is fixed10:17
ubot2`Launchpad bug 929506 in unity "lenses are loaded on start, should be lazy loaded" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92950610:17
didrockspitti: seems so that it's the default that the u1 team requires10:17
seb128pitti, lens shouldn't load on login but lazy load on dash use10:17
pittiseb128: yes, but currently they don't it seems10:17
didrocksdavidcalle: btw, on the music lens + rhythmbox, where are we at?10:17
seb128pitti, that got broken in precise and it's on the high bug list10:17
seb128pitti, cf the bug I just pointed10:17
didrockspitti: they don't, but it's hihgh in the priority list10:17
pittiah, thanks10:18
davidcalledidrocks, wip, the db parsing is done, mhr3 might take over the remaining bits.10:18
pittidavidcalle, didrocks: OOI, are the music/video lenses for buying only? they don't seem to find any of my local music/videos10:19
seb128pitti, btw cr3 was asking yesterday that we switch from checkbox-gtk to checkbox-qt10:19
pittiseb128: right, I commented on bug 93718910:19
ubot2`Launchpad bug 937189 in checkbox "checkbox-gtk should be replaced with checkbox-qt on the desktop image" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93718910:19
seb128pitti, it indexes XDG_VIDEO_DIR, are your video in ~Video?10:19
seb128or whatever is the dir in german10:19
didrockspitti: they look at your video dir10:19
pittiseb128: no, in ~/download/10:19
pittibut my music is in teh standard dir10:20
seb128pitti, so that's why10:20
seb128pitti, well it's a "video" lens ;-)10:20
seb128not a music one10:20
didrockspitti: for the music one, nothing is shown right now as we dropped banshee10:20
pittididrocks: ah, the music one only supports banshee?10:20
didrocksand the rhythmbox scope isn't ready10:20
pittiok, that explains both, thanks10:20
davidcallepitti, the music lens should pickup your currently Banshe/soon Rbox library.10:20
didrockswell, I made it clear during the UDS session :)10:20
didrocksdavidcalle: you will need to require a FFe10:21
pittiwell, it's currently a bug that it doesn't show any results10:21
seb128I doubt that ffe will be refused :p10:21
pittiso, filing an FFE is good for tracking, but there's no reason to deny it10:21
didrocksagreed, just that will need to do the paperwork :)10:21
davidcalledidrocks, pitti, ok10:21
pittiso don't worry too much about this10:22
didrocksdavidcalle: this rb scope is in the unity-lens, not a separate source?10:22
davidcalledidrocks, in the music lens, even if I would prefer an external scope.10:22
davidcalledidrocks, for people upgrading from Oneiric, and using Banshee.10:23
didrocksdavidcalle: well, otherwise, we would have the music lens supporting by default banshee + u1, and another source10:23
didrocksdavidcalle: you keep the banshee support?10:23
didrocksisn't it?10:23
davidcalledidrocks, it should, but I need mhr3 input on doing it cleanly.10:24
didrocksok :)10:24
davidcalledidrocks, I'd prefer to have rb and banshee as external scopes and music players recommending them.10:24
davidcalledidrocks, but it's not my call.10:24
didrocksmhr3: ? ^10:25
* mhr3 reads backlog10:26
mhr3didrocks, yes, we want to keep the banshee scope10:27
didrocksmhr3: great, thanks :)10:27
Sweetsharkpitti: didrocks is a real man now, he sponsored his first LibreOffice upload.10:35
didrocksSweetshark: well, I uploaded and updated some OOo in karmic time :)10:36
pittihey Sweetshark10:37
pittiI saw, thanks!10:37
Sweetsharkdidrocks: ah, ok. ;) btw I by now (3.5) LO is saner than it was in the 3.3/3.4 series so hopefully a bit more time to really take care about the details too.10:38
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s9iper1recently update remove the windows  menu any body know where to file the bug11:31
pittis9iper1: it's by design now; right-click on window title bar or alt+space11:32
s9iper1pitti: its not a good change  its confusing if we have an other application running in the background11:35
s9iper1like i have opened xchat and chrome is running behind it11:35
pittiwhat's that to do with the windows menu?11:37
s9iper1its mixing with each other now  wait i give you a screenshot11:38
pitticyphermox: FYI, holding your wpasupplicant lucid-proposed upload until bug 528087 is fixed in precise11:38
ubot2`Launchpad bug 528087 in wpasupplicant "merge patch for segfault when using smartcards with NetworkManager" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52808711:38
s9iper1pitti: see the mixing and now there is a confusion here http://imagebin.org/20000411:40
seb128pitti, thanks for fixing the retracer, I untagged a bug and deleted the lock yesterday but that was apparently not enough11:41
pittis9iper1: that looks like a compiz/unity window drawing bug; but it's got nothing to do with the alt+space window menu?11:41
pittiseb128: it hit another weird dupe detection case11:41
pittiseb128: some day I need to track it down properly, but for now I just wrote a bug pattern and restarted manually11:41
seb128pitti, ok, thanks11:42
s9iper1pitti: thanks11:42
smspillazseb128: do you know where I'd find the packaging for libindicator-appmenu ?11:44
* smspillaz be making daily builds11:44
seb128smspillaz, there is no such lib?11:44
smspillazseb128: err, indicator-appmenu ?11:44
smspillazor whatever provides appmenus ?11:44
seb128smspillaz, lp:~ubuntu-desktop/indicator-appmenu/ubuntu11:44
smspillazgreat, thanks :)11:45
tkamppeterpitti, hi11:45
pittihello tkamppeter11:46
tkamppeterpitti, about bug 936629, the process where gs wants to look into /proc/<no>/auxv seems to live only while the print job is living, so I could not find out which process it is. It happens with the pnm2ppa driver, one can simply reproduce it by creating a queue for this driver (printing into a file) and printing a test page on this queue.11:48
ubot2`Launchpad bug 936629 in cups "Printing fails after printing first document " [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93662911:48
pittitkamppeter: so that'll need some stracing then to find out11:50
pittitkamppeter: perhaps you can put the commands how to create this fake queue into the bug?11:50
tkamppeterpitti, will this help? Will it not also only tell that "gs" accessed /proc/<no>/auxv?11:51
* pitti ^5s seb128 on http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/bug-fixing/precise-fixes-report.html - nice work!11:51
pittitkamppeter: well, we need to know whether it's gs or something launched by gs11:51
seb128pitti, oh, I tied you, great ;-) thanks! nice work for you as well!11:51
pittitkamppeter: if you are sure that this pid was gs, then we don't need further strace11:51
* pitti grabs the gauntlet -- it's on!11:52
pitti... after lunch, bbl11:52
ronocchrisccoulson, on thunderbird the send button has disappeared from the email window12:45
ronocas a result i can't send emails12:45
ronocany ideas12:45
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jbichaseb128: good morning12:49
chrisccoulsonronoc - can you add it back to the toolbar (right click -> Customize)?12:51
jbichahttps://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=670472 says we need the new vte3 & gtk to fix12:51
ubot2`Gnome bug 670472 in HighContrast and LowContrast "High Contrast 3.3.90 (rewrite) breaks gnome-terminal, other apps" [Critical,Needinfo]12:51
ronocchrisccoulson, I open a draft email and right click where12:53
ronocit pops up the edit email window12:53
ronocbefore there was a big send button12:53
chrisccoulsonronoc, on the toolbar in the compose window12:53
ronocchrisccoulson, right click doesn't bring up and options12:54
ronocany even12:54
chrisccoulsonronoc, does the toolbar exist at all?12:54
ronocchrisccoulson, yes with font size etc - is that where you mean ?12:55
chrisccoulsonronoc, no, the one which normally has the send button on it :)12:55
chrisccoulsonor is that one missing?12:55
ronocmust be missing12:56
ronochow do i restore it12:56
chrisccoulsonronoc, does it come back if you go to View -> Toolbars and make sure that Composition Toolbar is checked?12:56
ronocchrisccoulson, ah that was it :)12:56
ronocchrisccoulson, thanks12:57
ronocsilly me12:57
seb128jbicha, hey13:10
seb128jbicha, gtk is on my update list for today, it's next in fact ;-)13:10
seb128jbicha, pitti: do you guys work(ed) with the debian remmina maintainer? not sure how to handle bug #931336 and bug #92661913:12
ubot2`Launchpad bug 931336 in remmina "Remmina package doesn't provide .desktop file" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93133613:12
ubot2`Launchpad bug 926619 in remmina "no tray icon in untity" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92661913:12
seb128jbicha, pitti: especiall the second (indicator support), do we want an ubuntu diff for that?13:13
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* didrocks taking a break, back in an hour13:18
smspillazseb128: do you know if kenvandine will be in today ?13:18
seb128smspillaz, he should be13:19
seb128smspillaz, yesterway was an u.s holiday but he should be there today13:19
smspillazhmm ok13:20
smspillazseb128: it seems like indicator-appmenu's packaging is pretty out of date. and it uses merge-source13:21
seb128smspillaz, I did the recent update so it shouldn't be outdated and yes it use merge upstream as most dx sources, it allows to backport upstream commits in one command13:21
jbichaseb128: the missing .desktop is fixed in trunk, not sure about the appindicator but we'd probably have a diff for LPI anyway, right?13:21
seb128jbicha, well, we could in theory have a series.ubuntu in the debian package with those13:22
smspillazseb128: ok, I guess there are just conflicts when attempting to merge this local menus branch. its probably the case that this one is out of sync with trunk13:22
smspillazseb128: would I be safe if I were to just cp in the debian directory and debuild with that ? (assuming no files have been added / removed?)13:22
seb128smspillaz, https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/indicator-appmenu/ubuntu is less that a week old and has 0.3.9113:23
seb128smspillaz, yes, copying the debian dir should be fine13:23
smspillazok :)13:23
pgranerdidrocks, did anything in unity change over the weekend that would affect the launcher revealing on multi-mon setups?13:31
pittiseb128: I actually tried to enable indicator support, it's in the ubuntu-desktop PPA13:32
pittiseb128: but it doesn't seem to work13:32
seb128pitti, hum, ok13:32
seb128pitti, I will have a look to that, adding to my todo13:33
jbichapitti: it didn't seem to work here either13:33
pittiseb128: hm, I just changed -DWITH_APPINDICATOR=ON13:33
pittiI didn't try the patch13:33
pittibut that patch doesn't seem to actually fix indicator support13:33
seb128pitti, did you add the build-depends as well?13:33
seb128pitti, jbicha: ok, I will have a look13:34
pittiand it builds fine, and links to indicator etc.13:34
pittibut I still never saw it13:34
pittiI enabled the options in the "applet" tab13:34
pittiand tried ssh and VNC13:34
seb128pitti, ok, thanks13:34
seb128I will debug13:34
seb128pitti, btw do you have an opinion on new poppler from Debian and if we should merge this cycle?13:34
seb128they added a new binary from private .h files and multiarched it13:35
pittioh, they have 0.18.4 now, nice13:35
seb128yes, in experimental13:35
pittiseb128: looks like an easy merge13:36
pittiseb128: want me to look into it?13:36
seb128pitti, well I think slangasek said that multiarching libs was a ffe13:36
seb128so I prefer to ask before13:36
pittioh, I see13:36
seb128pitti, if you want to, sure, I've enough to keep busy with GNOME today (and this week) ;-)13:37
pittiI thought that was mostly for natty when we introduced it13:37
seb128pitti, well maybe it's not ffe material, I seemed to remember that13:37
seb128but maybe it was natty yes ;-)13:37
seb128pitti, well in any case I think we should merge on them if we can, especially for the new binary, avoid having to deal with a transition starting next cycle and having the keep compat until the next lts13:38
pittiseb128: I asked in #u-release13:39
seb128pitti, danke13:39
pgranerdidrocks, I think the latest gnome-control-center broke the launcher, I filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/93779213:40
ubot2`Launchpad bug 937792 in gnome-control-center "Left launcher does not revel when in autohide mode on multi-monitor setups" [Undecided,New]13:40
seb128pgraner, you didn't get the new control center it seems from that bug13:41
seb128gnome-control-center (1:3.3.5-0ubuntu4) precise; urgency=low13:41
seb128ii gnome-control-center 1:3.3.5-0ubuntu3 utilities to configure the GNOME desktop13:41
seb128 13:41
seb128pgraner, it was just uploaded13:41
seb128pgraner, also the control center has nothing to do with behaviours, it just applies configurations13:41
seb128pgraner, i.e if you didn't change a config, you could as well have g-c-c not installed, it's not impacting on any runtime behaviour13:42
pgranerseb128, ok, sorry missed the digit on ubuntu...13:42
seb128pgraner, that seems an unity or compiz bug13:42
seb128pgraner, do you use nvidia?13:42
pgranerseb128, yep nvidia13:42
seb128pgraner, DBO mentioned yesterday that the new nvidia drivers broke the barrier13:42
seb128pgraner, ok, reassigning to nvidia then13:42
pgranerseb128, great, I'll edit and take out the other bits in the description13:43
seb128pgraner, I reassigned with a comment13:44
pittiseb128: oh, and gir bindings, too13:45
seb128pitti, oh, right13:45
pgranerthanks seb12813:45
seb128pgraner, yw13:45
seb128didrocks, ^ btw handle the bug so unping for you13:45
didrocksok, seb128 sorted it out with pgraner, thanks :)13:59
seb128didrocks, wb, yw ;-)14:00
seb128didrocks, btw thanks for uploading g-c-c under my feet, need to rebase my update :p14:01
seb128(doing the new tarball update)14:01
didrocksseb128: my pleasure :-) sorry for this!14:01
seb128didrocks, no worry ;-)14:01
didrocksblame design who pinged me all of the sudden ;)14:02
seb128one day design will start using the bug tracker rather than IRC pings...14:02
* didrocks will bless that day14:02
didrocksok, now let's see this "primary" things regarding compiz14:03
pittiwell, as long as IRC works, there is no reason for them to change14:03
pittipeople don't voluntarily make it more difficult for them :)14:03
seb128pitti, that's the issue with people :p14:04
bil21alany body tell me to which package does this bug belong https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/93384114:05
ubot2`Launchpad bug 933841 in unity "Ugly context menu" [Low,Confirmed]14:05
didrockswaow bug #868423, didn't see that before :)14:05
ubot2`Launchpad bug 868423 in ayatana-design "Launcher - Workspace switcher should not be in the Launcher by default" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86842314:05
seb128bil21al, light-themes14:05
bil21alhmm ok  thanks14:06
seb128didrocks, yeah, I'm unsure about it, I'm fine with the idea but the implementation is non trivial14:07
seb128i.e dynamically blocking keybindings etc when the launcher is not there14:08
didrocksseb128: seems to be P+1 to me14:09
didrocksdefintively doable, but too late for now14:09
didrocks(weird that only the unity guys was aware)14:09
seb128well I guess we could drop the icon from the launcher by default14:09
seb128not sure how much it would help though14:09
seb128didrocks, well, I knew about it, if you notice I set it to triaged by then ;-)14:10
cyphermoxpitti: please see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wpasupplicant/+bug/528087 again, I commented -- the changes for that SRU are already in precise14:10
pitticc1plus: error: debug output level 11 is too high14:10
pittiSweetshark: ^ WTF14:10
ubot2`Launchpad bug 528087 in wpasupplicant "merge patch for segfault when using smartcards with NetworkManager" [Medium,Triaged]14:11
didrocksseb128: hum, ok, but you know how it is to look at all the unity bug mails, too easy to miss one :)14:11
pitticyphermox: ah, thanks; I closed the precise task then14:11
didrocksand now that coverity is spamming us:p14:11
Sweetsharkpitti: link?14:11
pittiSweetshark: ^14:11
pittiSweetshark: not that I care much about ppc, but it does seem strange14:11
pittii386/amd64 built and are in binNEW, looking14:12
cyphermoxpitti: fwiw, the fix is in maverick as well :)14:12
pittiSweetshark: this doesn't seem to build libreoffice-report-builder again; will the next version, or should we fix the transitional openoffice.org-report-builder package?14:13
Sweetsharkpitti: _rene_ just noted me that there is a Replaces: missing because I move unopkg from -common to -core.14:13
pittiSweetshark: so I better not binNEW them, to avoid upgrade errors?14:14
Sweetsharkyes, I didnt enable report-builder yet to get the package out and I did not want to recheck if all the MIR have gone through before (so just enabled mediawiki and evo2)14:16
Sweetsharkpitti: I guess so :(14:16
pittiright, understood14:16
pittiSweetshark: does it have a versioned Breaks:?14:16
pittiSweetshark: usually when moving a file from pkg foo to bar in version N, bar should have Breaks:/Replaces: foo (<< N)14:17
Sweetsharkpitti: dunno.14:17
* Sweetshark checks14:17
pittiseb128: poppler merge done, working nicely here14:17
* pitti uploads14:18
seb128pitti, \o/14:18
seb128pitti, danke14:18
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ryeerm, guys, is it known that gnome-terminal in maximized mode gets a scrollbar thumb on the left which does not doo anything?14:20
pittinot here14:21
pittihm, I think I entirely disabled scrollbars in my g-t years ago14:21
jbicharye: I can confirm that bug, I don't know if it's been reported yet14:22
ryeinitially 2 are being shown - http://ubuntuone.com/2uqK1MnRrLINfcuG19f0Zm14:22
ryethat's the same pic, not uploaded yet, sorry14:23
ryehttp://ubuntuone.com/5gx7bTSxGFJxgcvUSlPnLW - here's double scrollbar14:24
pittiseb128: can we switch versions.html from armel to armhf?14:25
pittiit's the new "supported" arch instead of armel14:25
seb128pitti, sure14:25
* pitti does the change to the other reports14:25
seb128pitti, I didn't even realize we hardcoded archs there14:25
pittiseb128: if we don't, ignore me14:25
pittiseb128: but I was looking at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing-ports/precise_probs.html14:25
pittiand it has tons of armel stuff14:25
pittidrilling down now14:26
seb128pitti, right, we don't hardcode anything14:27
pittiseb128: ok; presumably not, as we even show powerpc14:27
seb128pitti, but feel free to put "        p.build_failures.append((record.arch_tag, record.build_log_url))" in a if arch_tag...14:27
Sweetsharkpitti: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/851419/ like this?14:27
seb128pitti, yeah, I wanted to filter ppc out for some time as well14:27
pittiseb128: most of the ppc ones are easy to fxi, though14:27
pittiit's a good reminder for which packages to give back when gtk is out of sync on arches14:27
seb128pitti, well, it's just that we don't care enough to score that to the top of version I think14:28
seb128pitti, firefox keeps sitting there for example14:28
pittiSweetshark: looks fine14:28
pittiSweetshark: for extra cookies, use (<< 1:3.5.0-1ubuntu1~)14:28
pittiSweetshark: this will then DTRT for backports, PPA uploads etc. as well (which usually use a ~backports1 etc. suffix)14:29
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didrocksok, primary key back, people can enjoy again again ctrl + whatever in g-c-c :)14:37
* pitti hugs didrocks14:37
* didrocks hugs pitti back :)14:37
didrocksit looks a little bit fancy in ccsm, but who cares :)14:38
mterryIs someone on the cheese file override?14:40
pittimterry: if so, nobody mentioned it here14:40
* mterry is in the middle of something, but can fix it later if no one else does14:41
ryejbicha, now i can't reproduce it, hmmm14:42
ryeaand now i can again14:42
didrockshum, gconf-editor is segfault every 30s :/14:42
mterrydidrocks, didn't we tell you?  that's the new Ubuntu clock; we're dropping indicator-datetime14:43
didrocksmterry: interesting, and then, I wc -l on "core dumped" to know how many ticks happened? :p14:44
mterrydidrocks, apport will tell you as time passes14:44
didrocksoh, can't wait to see it! :)14:44
didrockshum, so for all those new keybindings using super14:44
didrockslike super + arrows to switch ws14:44
didrocksI need to change the metacity keys14:44
didrocksI'm wondering if I should do that in the metacity package (which would make sense for 2D and 3D)14:45
didrocksor if we should do it "depending on session" again to preserve the fallback session14:45
didrockslet's try to have the same value for the whole distro I guess14:54
cyphermoxfyi, I'll add a patch to g-c-c to allow hiding nm-applet as well, since there's a bug open about this and it's already there for bluetooth and sound as well14:56
Sweetsharkpitti: I grabbed the extra cookies, currently building ...14:58
Sweetsharkpitti: (although I dont think anybody will backport 1ubuntu1 ;) )15:09
pittiSweetshark: right; it's more like a good habit to get into15:09
Sweetsharkpitti: yep15:10
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pittidpm: wrt. your question from the other day: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+language-packs16:03
pittidpm: there haven't been any delta packs for precise since Feb 0916:03
pittidpm: that's why they are out of date, and the cronjobs keep uploading broken packages16:03
dpmpitti, argh, thanks for the heads up. Let me talk to someone on #launchpad16:04
pittidpm: we want to upload a fresh -base set on Thursday evening for beta-116:04
pittidpm: I was just about to request it16:04
* didrocks did some Quickly today, good old times!16:08
* didrocks looks at #quickly and even don't see rickspencer3 around! ;-)16:08
pittidpm: I requested a full update now16:09
rickspencer3didrocks, ok, loko now16:09
didrocksrickspencer3: that's because I put my glasses, isn't it? :)16:09
dpmpitti, I've just had a chat with thedac on #launchpad, he's going to look into it16:14
pittidpm: thanks16:14
dpmpitti, if there is no notification about failed exports from LP, do you think it would be possible to detect if a langpack is broken (as in what's happening now) and get an e-mail sent to the ubuntu-translations-coordinators list from the langpacks server?16:19
pittirickspencer3: don't get a heart attack on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/precise_probs.html16:19
pittirickspencer3: I just switched armhf to supported and armel to ports on /testing/16:19
pittirickspencer3: all of it is due to the long-standing bug of LibO not building on armhf, but the one currently building ought to work16:20
rickspencer3pitti, ok, I won't look ;)16:20
pittirickspencer3: "armhf: 111Ä16:20
pittiso, no agenda items, so no meeting today16:34
seb128pitti, great ;-)16:37
seb128<- busy16:37
chrisccoulsonnice :)16:37
seb128if somebody wants to help on desktop updates feel free to pick some on the etherpad16:37
chrisccoulsoni'd love to actually do some precise work this week :)16:37
pittioh, gnome 3.3.5?16:38
kenvandineseb128, reverting the GtkDrawingArea bg_color change seems to be harmless to me, i can't find any regessions16:38
seb128kenvandine, excellent, do it!16:38
kenvandineseb128, can you think of anything besides shotwell that uses that heavily?16:38
seb128pitti, 3.3.9016:38
seb128kenvandine, no16:39
* kenvandine does it 16:39
pittiseb128: do we need a new GTK first? (3.3.16)16:40
pittiseb128: well, that was put badly16:40
pittiseb128: I mean, it's likely that some updates do; want to work on it, or sohuld I look into it?16:41
seb128+ gtk_color_chooser_add_palette@Base 3.3.1616:41
seb128+ gtk_color_chooser_dialog_get_type@Base 3.3.1616:41
seb128+ gtk_color_chooser_dialog_new@Base 3.3.1616:41
* seb128 applies diff16:41
seb128pitti, sorry, just finishing gtk, I doubt anything needs it16:41
seb128they didn't add much16:41
pittiah, splendid16:41
seb128that's mostly the new color chooser stuff that nothing used it yet16:42
rickspencer3Sweetshark, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/93792216:45
ubot2`Launchpad bug 937922 in libreoffice "soffice.bin crashed with SIGSEGV in X11SalGraphics::GetResolution() (dup-of: 916357)" [Undecided,New]16:45
ubot2`Launchpad bug 916357 in libreoffice "[Upstream] soffice.bin crashed with SIGSEGV in X11SalGraphics::GetResolution()" [Medium,Fix committed]16:45
rickspencer3Sweetshark, nevermind, I guess it was a dupe :)16:51
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* didrocks waves good evening, having to take the repaired heater back home :)17:27
dpmpitti, a full langpack export for precise is underway (i.e. manually started already)17:34
Sweetsharkpitti: still around for a 3.5.0-1ubuntu2?17:40
pittiSweetshark: for another 5 mins, yes17:48
Sweetsharkpitti: ok17:49
* Sweetshark gives it a try17:49
tkamppeterpitti, can you upload CUPS to Debian and Ubuntu? I have fixed auto-configuration of PS printers, http://www.cups.org/str.php?L4028.18:02
Sweetsharkpitti: uploaded18:08
Sweetshark(to chinstrap)18:08
chrisccoulsonhmmm, biking with the cut in the bottom of my big toe is quite uncomfortable18:09
seb128mterry, there?18:14
mterryseb128, yar18:15
seb128mterry, hey18:15
seb128mterry, quick question on your 97_unity_power_ui.patch18:15
seb128mterry, it seems quite complex...that's because you switched to a gtkgrid to be able to align as you wanted?18:15
mterryyeah and because I kept it dynamic (i.e. in GNOME3 you don't get the change)18:16
seb128mterry, the dynamic is check the session and call show,hide according to it?18:16
seb128mterry, just checking because I'm doing the new version update, upstream switched to gtkgrid so I think I can simplify that patch quite a while, but I wanted to check with you if I overlook something18:17
mterryseb128, yeah.  But it meant that I couldn't just make glade changes.  I had to be able to switch from boxes to grids in C18:17
mterryseb128, yeah, then the majority of the complexity was just in reparenting all the widgets18:17
seb128mterry, ok, great, I like simplification18:18
seb128thanks ;-)18:18
kenvandineseb128, are you working on g-c-c right now?18:56
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seb128kenvandine, trying to19:24
seb128kenvandine, but people keep uploading under my feet, first didrocks, then cyphermox, I can see you coming next ;-)19:24
cyphermoxahaha, sorry :)19:24
seb128kenvandine, joke aside the update is quite some work, upstream changed layouts and gtkbuilder files and that's no fun for our ui patches19:25
seb128kenvandine, I'm almost there, should upload in half an hour19:25
seb128cyphermox, no worry ;-)19:25
cyphermoxI mentioned it this morning but I guess you had already started before then anyway19:25
seb128cyphermox, I reassigned some g-c-c but to n-m yesterday, that's making up for it ;-)19:25
seb128cyphermox, I started midday but decided to get gtk and some other stuff out first and then came back to it19:26
seb128cyphermox, no worry your patch doesn't conflict with anything I was doing19:26
cyphermoxok good19:27
kenvandineseb128, ok, i'll wait until after you upload :)19:34
kenvandinealthough looks like cyphermox's upload has broken it for me19:34
kenvandineclicking on network just causes g-c-c to respawn over and over19:34
seb128kenvandine, what work do you plan? is that sound-nua update? if so please commit your patch before I upload, it won't conflict with other changes, the sound capplet didn't change19:34
kenvandineyeah, that is it19:34
seb128kenvandine, I bet it depends on a gsettings key and cyphermox didn't add the depends19:34
kenvandineok... i can push my branch :)19:34
seb128cyphermox, ^ booooouh19:35
seb128kenvandine, i.e you probably need a new nm-applet with an update gsettings schemas19:35
seb128hum, no, that's still gconf19:36
seb128no gsettings abort on missing key there19:36
seb128dunno then19:36
kenvandinespawns so fast i can't kill it19:36
seb128kenvandine, kill the applet19:37
seb128it will stop the respawning :p19:37
cyphermoxkenvandine: err, no19:40
cyphermoxkenvandine: it depends on a gconf key, but that should be provided by nm-applet already19:40
cyphermoxI uploaded nm-applet with that new key before the g-c-c changes19:40
kenvandinei am completely updated, but haven't restarted19:41
kenvandineif that matters19:41
cyphermoxit shouldn't19:41
seb128kenvandine, stacktrace of the issue?19:41
kenvandinei can't tell... i get a apport dialog but it keeps getting pushed behind g-c-c :)19:42
seb128kenvandine, gdb -p $(pidof gnome-control-center)?19:42
seb128kenvandine, killing the indicator you used to open the g-c-c should stop the respawning19:43
cyphermoxI've reverted these changes on my system, I'm going to reproduce it now19:43
seb128it happened to me with indicator-sound earlier, stopping indicator-sound-service did it19:43
kenvandinei ran it from a terminal!19:43
seb128it shouldn't respawn then19:43
seb128well any gdb it?19:43
cyphermoxI can't reproduce it :?19:44
kenvandinethe stacktrace looks like icontheme related stuff19:45
kenvandinedoesn't actually look network panel related19:48
kenvandinebut it happened when i clicked it19:48
kenvandineactually i  might have clicked on it from the session indicator while it was blowing up from my terminal session19:51
kenvandinenow that i think of it19:51
kenvandineit was spewing gconf output to my terminal and i couldn't close the window19:52
seb128kenvandine, try stopping it an see if the respawns ends19:53
kenvandinei did, and it didn't19:53
kenvandinealso, this is weird19:54
kenvandineattaching to the new process with gdb19:54
kenvandinei get different stacktraces19:54
seb128kenvandine, you get a SIGSEGV there?19:54
kenvandineit isn't crashing19:55
kenvandineit is exiting normally19:55
kenvandineso weird!19:56
seb128kenvandine, do you have several instances running?19:56
kenvandineah, 219:56
* kenvandine connects to the other one19:56
seb128how did that happen?19:56
kenvandineone is just running, working fine19:58
kenvandinethe other keeps restarting very fast19:58
* kenvandine restarts :)19:58
kenvandine/usr/lib/control-center-1/panels/libnetwork.so: undefined symbol: cc_shell_embed_widget_in_header19:59
seb128kenvandine, dpkg -l libgnome-control-center1?20:00
seb128kenvandine, ldd on  the .so and grep for control-center?20:00
kenvandinewell, i have my local build installed20:00
kenvandinemaybe i need to rebuild now that i have all the updates20:01
seb128kenvandine, it seems you screwed your local build20:01
brycehheh, something wants to rename /home/bryce to /home/bryce/Music20:01
seb128kenvandine, that symbol is new in the new serie20:01
seb128bryceh, I guess it's bug #540567 or equivalent20:02
ubot2`Launchpad bug 540567 in xdg-user-dirs-gtk "Dialog on login that wants to change "/home/egon/Desktop" to "/home/egon/Download"" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54056720:02
seb128bryceh, did you change locale? usually is a mismatch between your .config/user-dirs.dirs config and your existant dirs20:02
seb128bryceh, can you pastebin the config in that file?20:03
brycehseb128, yeah somehow I'd gotten set to canadian or uk somewhere along the line, and returned it to usa yesterday (prior to today's update/reboot)20:03
seb128bryceh, you get that dialog on locale change20:04
seb128bryceh, it's supposed to let you rename your music, video etc to the wording matching your locale20:04
seb128bryceh, XDG_MUSIC_DIR="$HOME/"20:04
seb128that's where the message come from20:04
seb128what it wants to say is that it's going to make your xdg music dir be ~/Music and no your user dir20:04
seb128hate those bugs20:05
seb128we need a way to prevent people to delete xdg dirs :-(20:05
seb128I was discussing it with apw yesterday20:05
seb128he deleted Videos and the video lens was indexing the whole user dir for him20:05
brycehah, yeah I thought it might be wanting to mv $HOME $HOME/Music, which would be Fun20:05
seb128since it does index the xdg video dir, and they fallback to the dir bellow them when you delete the dir20:06
brycehprobably less fragile to fix apps to not assume xdg dirs are always going to be present20:06
seb128if that wasn't linux we would hardcode the xdg dirs on the filesystem and prevent user to deleting them :p20:06
seb128bryceh, xdg are always present, they fallback to the dir below the one which is not there20:06
seb128bryceh, that's how you got your user dir set I guess, you probably deleted the music dir20:07
seb128it fallbacked20:07
kenvandineldd /usr/lib/control-center-1/panels/libnetwork.so |grep control20:07
kenvandinelibgnome-control-center.so.1 => /usr/local/lib/libgnome-control-center.so.1 (0x00007f7b525bd000)20:07
seb128kenvandine, haha20:07
kenvandinedamn local installs... that is why I never do that!20:07
seb128it's not only dx then :p20:07
seb128one day I will write an email to ubuntu-devel to suggest that we drop /usr/local support20:07
seb128or stop ranking it before /usr20:07
kenvandinei did it a while ago to get debug symbols for ronoc :)20:07
seb128that bites so many users20:07
kenvandineI always build packages for testing, but needed a quick way to get symbols for gdb :/20:08
seb128kenvandine, LD_LIBRARY_PATH=.libs gdb ...20:08
seb128that's how I do it20:09
seb128or for the g-c-c stuff sometime I cp the non stripped .so over the system one20:09
kenvandinesetting the path wasn't working in g-c-c, it is weird behavior20:10
kenvandineanyway... whew!20:10
seb128kenvandine, right, for non libs you want to cp over the system one20:10
seb128rather than use /usr/local20:10
kenvandineso evil!20:10
seb128will teach you to use /usr/local ;-)20:10
seb128that directory is reserved for men (tm) :p20:11
kenvandinei know... i promised myself i would rm -rf that right away... and forgot :)20:11
* kenvandine thinks g-c-c is way too fragile20:12
seb128it is20:12
seb128this if any .so has an issue g-s-d or g-c-c is down is an issue20:12
kenvandineseb128, i'll push my branch in a few minutes :)20:13
seb128kenvandine, ok20:15
kenvandineseb128, pushed, thanks!20:17
seb128kenvandine, thank you!20:17
seb128kenvandine, still around?20:47
seb128kenvandine, unping, merge conflict resolved, it was on my side20:50
TheMusogrrr is there any way one can turn off the HUD?21:18
lifelessTheMuso: not blind-friendly?21:21
TheMusolifeless: Not accessible currently, but its not that, its that I use my alt key rather a lot, and the hud trigger is too sensative.21:27
TheMusoSo using alt to switch between channels in irssi, or terminal tabs, and I find myself caught in the hud when I don't want to be.21:27
dobeyTheMuso: i changed they keybinding to <Alt><Super> in gconf-editor21:30
dobeyTheMuso: might help21:30
dobeyTheMuso: it effectively disables it, anyway :)21:30
sorenIs the HUD in standard UBuntu now, or is it still in a PPA?21:30
TheMusodobey: Ah thanks, IMO thats what it should be.21:30
dobeyTheMuso: well, except that super is handled by the dash, so you just get the dash with alt+super21:31
dobeysoren: yes21:31
TheMusodobey: Right.21:31
sorendobey: Yes, it's still in a PPA?21:31
dobeysoren: yes it's in ubuntu21:31
sorendobey: Hm... I wonder why I'm not seeing it.21:31
kenvandineTheMuso, on my desktop it isn't sensitive enough, i have a hard time hitting alt quick enough to get the HUD to raise21:31
dobeysoren: press and release left alt really fast?21:32
kenvandineon my laptop it comes up fine21:32
kenvandinebut i have to press and release really fast on my desktop21:32
sorendobey: Doing so.. Nothing.21:32
sorendobey: I'm half a day behind on updates. Could that be it?21:32
kenvandinesoren, no21:32
dobeysoren: it's been in for a few days21:32
sorenOh, I'm on unity-2d, come to think of it.21:32
dobeythat would be it21:33
sorenI guess it's not supported there?21:33
dobeyi don't think it's been implemented there yet perhpas21:33
TheMusoIts coming for unity-2d though afaik.21:34
* soren switches to unity 3d to get in on the new hawtness21:35
jbichamy compiz has been broken since last weekend :( bug 93212521:43
ubot2`Launchpad bug 932125 in compiz "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in Glib::Source::prepare_vfunc()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93212521:43
brycehjasoncwarner_, btw the rhythmbox instabilities I mentioned the other day, I traced down to that RB had gotten set to scanning my entire system for music rather than just ~/Music.  It's working much better now.22:18
seb128bryceh, that seems to be another side effect of your xdg broken configuration22:22
seb128bryceh, rb watches the xdg music dir22:22
seb128bryceh, btw did you delete the music dir from the disk yourself? or did that get screwed somewhere?22:23
brycehseb128, yes, I had deleted it some time ago (I don't use it, and it conflicts for tab completion with another M folder I do use)22:25
brycehlooks like the directory got recreated when I upgraded though22:26
bryceh(11 days ago)22:26
robert_ancelldesrt, hey, do you know why GMenu no longer seems to work in Unity?22:27
brycehseb128, btw gentle reminder about bug #934445 that you were going to take a peek at this week22:33
ubot2`Launchpad bug 934445 in gnome-settings-daemon "hits g_assert (device->priv->styli) when my Wacom Bamboo 2FG 4x5 is plugged in" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93444522:33
jasoncwarner_bryceh: is that default behavior?22:38
brycehjasoncwarner_, heya22:42
brycehjasoncwarner_, I guess so, but removing ~/Music is definitely self-inflicted, so didn't investigate too far.22:42
jasoncwarner_bryceh: hey22:42
jasoncwarner_bryceh: what I meant was if it defaults to entire home directory or ~/music...me thinks ~/music shoudl be default ;)22:43
brycehjasoncwarner_, oh, right yes ~/Music is the default22:43
jasoncwarner_ah, ok22:43
brycehseb128 said that removing ~/Music probably screwed up the XDG settings22:44
seb128robert_ancell, hey, how doesn't work?22:47
seb128bryceh, yeah, I upstream it yesterday22:47
seb128bryceh, still on my list but I wanted to get the updates out first22:48
brycehgreat, thanks22:48
seb128bryceh, thanks for the reminder though ;-)22:48
seb128jasoncwarner_, hey22:48
robert_ancellseb128, I don't see any menus when using GMenu22:48
jasoncwarner_hey seb128 !22:48
seb128robert_ancell, right, indicator-appmenu doesn't consume gmenus... (i.e didn't get teached about them yet)22:49
robert_ancellseb128, it used to work though22:49
seb128robert_ancell, desrt is working on fixing that for hud, not sure that will fix it for the panel as well though22:49
seb128robert_ancell, right, before that we moved the hidding menu in gtk with gnome-settings-daemon settings the xsettings22:50
seb128robert_ancell, they use to show in the application as fallback (as under gnome fallback), the fallback menu would get stripped by unity and put at the top22:50
seb128robert_ancell, now gtk hide them when the xsettings is set and there is nothing for appmenu to strip and export22:51
brycehjasoncwarner_, btw we scared up a possible patch to test for that mightymouse bug.22:51
jasoncwarner_bryceh: Awesome!22:51
jasoncwarner_bryceh: is it specific to the mighty mouse?22:52
seb128jasoncwarner_, bryceh: btw that issue of people deleting xdg dirs is a real one, not sure where to discuss it or how to solve it though22:52
seb128jasoncwarner_, we got pinged by people with issues with the video lens this week (it was going through all the user dir for the same reason, they deleted the video xdg dir)22:52
brycehjasoncwarner_, Timo has HW and will be testing the patch, but he's going to be on travel so may be a bit22:52
seb128the screenshot application breaks when you delete the xdg dir22:52
seb128nautilus goes to cpu waste trying to build a template menu with all your user dir content if you delete the templates xdg dir22:53
brycehjasoncwarner_, if it is this patch, the regression affects more mice than just mightymouse22:53
jasoncwarner_bryceh: cool, thanks22:53
jasoncwarner_seb128: that sounds like something we should be working to fix?22:53
seb128jasoncwarner_, yeah, that's why I'm mentioning those issues and raising it22:54
seb128well it's an issue if you shoot yourself in the foot and delete a standard dir22:54
seb128but seems like quite some people do...22:54
jasoncwarner_seb128: do you know if we have bugs anywhere for those?22:54
brycehjasoncwarner_, anyway, we just uncovered it; more sleuthing to come before we have something to try.22:55
jasoncwarner_thanks, bryceh22:55
seb128jasoncwarner_, yes, all those issues have been reported22:58
jasoncwarner_thanks seb12823:00
jasoncwarner_bryceh and RAOF - thumper and lamalex have reports of X crashing for them yesterday and today and causing some general grief...could you guys ping them and have a look?23:14
brycehjasoncwarner_, ah, I'll look for their reports in LP23:17
thumperbryceh: didn't get to LP23:17
thumperbryceh: as running nux from source23:17
thumperbut normally if we crash compiz23:18
thumperwe don't crash X23:18
RAOFWhat's it crashing in?23:18
thumperbut I'm getting logged out23:18
jasoncwarner_thanks, bryceh23:18
thumpertoday it may have crashed during the upgrade23:18
thumperas it happened I was talking in a google hangout23:18
thumperI remembered that I was doing an upgrade though23:18
thumperyesterday I was just editing a google doc in chromium23:18
thumperthen boom, login screen23:19
RAOFI'm sure this is the point where I wish again that I had fixed the xserver apport integration to work more reliably.23:19
brycehif it's returning you to login screen, probably an xserver crash, so we'd need a backtrace.  See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Backtracing for collecting manually, if apport isn't doing it.23:19
seb128bryceh,could well be the mesa issue you said might be fixed in the edger23:20
seb128bryceh, the retracers catch quite some dups on that one23:20
seb128bryceh, seems lot of users run into it23:20
seb128hint: we should really land that fix in precise ;-)23:20
brycehseb128, could be, yeah.  That mesa bug sounds like it has some fairly widespread effects.23:20
* thumper is on intel graphics23:20
thumperbryceh: I'll take a look at the backtrace as soon as I get a break in other work23:21
seb128thumper, do you have anything in /var/crash?23:21
RAOFthumper: Is there an Xorg.0.log.old available showing the crash?23:21
thumperseb128: yep, 6 things23:21
RAOFAny of them Xorg? :/23:22
brycehseb128, unfortunately it sounds like the patch hasn't gotten a lot of QA upstream yet, so we're hesistant to just slap it in until we've had someone confirm it does fix things23:22
thumpernothing Xorg23:22
thumpercompiz for today23:22
brycehpastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old23:22
thumperso maybe it is us?23:22
brycehthumper, grep intel_ from your compiz backtrace23:22
thumperbryceh: Caught signal 11 (Segmentation fault). Server aborting23:23
thumperbryceh: I'll pastebin it23:23
RAOFOh, that one.23:24
brycehok this looks different than the mesa bugs I mentioned23:24
brycehlooks more like bug #92534123:26
ubot2`Launchpad bug 925341 in xorg-server "Xorg crashed with SIGSEGV in WriteToClient()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92534123:26
lamalexRAOF, i have the same symptoms as thumper23:26
RAOFAh, you've found it faster than me.23:27
brycehsee my comment #5 there23:27
seb128lamalex, same errors in Xorg.0.log.old?23:28
lamalexseb128, what should i grep for23:28
lamalexsorry i was reading the older stuff about being logged out and such23:29
seb128lamalex, look for Backtrace23:29
seb128lamalex, in /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old23:29
brycehit'd be at the tail end of /var/log/Xorg.0.log*23:29
lamalex[  7573.623] 0: /usr/bin/X (xorg_backtrace+0x26) [0x7fba66cf41b6]23:30
RAOFI suspect we're corrupting some buffer somewhere; a version of my barrier patch that never hit the archive did that, but I'm pretty sure the version in the archive isn't doing that.23:30
seb128lamalex, what lines after that?23:30
RAOFChase was chasing down a synaptics crash which was due to buffer corruption; that might be the cause of this, too?23:30
seb128RAOF, he uploaded a fix for that today I think23:31
RAOFseb128: Yeah, I think that's right.23:31
Sarvattno synaptics being used in that Xorg.0.log23:31
lamalexseb128, http://paste.ubuntu.com/852021/23:31
seb128seems a different one23:32
seb128[  7573.623] 3: /usr/bin/X (MakeAtom+0x89) [0x7fba66ba9a69]23:32
seb128lamalex, yours seems to be bug #93675823:33
Sarvatthttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/936758 seems a dupe of that paste23:33
ubot2`Launchpad bug 936758 in xorg-server "Xorg crashed with SIGSEGV in MakeAtom()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93675823:33
ubot2`Launchpad bug 936758 in xorg-server "Xorg crashed with SIGSEGV in MakeAtom()" [Medium,New]23:33
brycehbug #93675823:33
brycehhah Sarvatt beat me23:33
Sarvattseb beat me :)23:33
brycehI was distracted copying mesa ;-)23:33
brycehFwiw we've got a few handfuls of xserver crashes since we updated - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server?field.status:list=NEW&field.status:list=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status:list=CONFIRMED&field.status:list=TRIAGED&field.status:list=INPROGRESS&field.tag=precise&field.tags_combinator=ALL23:34
Sarvattwhat the heck is compiz doing there23:34
thumperah fark23:35
thumperthere was a change recently to add an atom for focused (I think)23:35
thumperI'll get sam to come and chat when he is around.23:35
RAOFNo matter how mad compiz is being it shouldn't crash the server.23:36
Sarvattit shouldn't crash the server regardless so still an x bug23:36
Sarvattwhat he said23:36
RAOFThat might have a similar cause to the WriteToClient thing; XInternAtom requires a reply.23:37
RAOFthumper, lamalex: Do you have any steps to reproduce?  Poking around in the core would be nice.23:39
thumperRAOF: not at this stage23:39
brycehRAOF, yeah the WriteToClient thing is due to invalid data getting into the server somehow, and pinballing around until it crashes there.  I could imagine whatever causes that might have multiple ways to crash.23:40
RAOFbryceh: And I'm wondering whether the synaptics driver is the thing feeding the invalid data...23:40
RAOFLet's look at Chase's change...23:40
brycehthumper, if RAOF's right, then poking your touchpad a lot might repo it.23:41
RAOFExcept that it doesn't for me; I've been solely using a synaptics touchpad, and X hasn't crashed.23:42
thumperpoking in what way?23:42
RAOFSo there's got to be something more.23:42
Sarvattyeah synaptics is fine here too23:42
brycehRAOF, yep been banging on synaptics a lot here, no crashes23:44
brycehbut I think we've established that X maintainers have magical hardware23:44
RAOFAh, ok.  Chase's fix only applies to multitouch touchpads.23:45
* Sarvatt is using a multitouch synaptics23:45
RAOFSo, the trigger for Chase's bug is performing touches on the touchpad while the device is disabled.23:48
RAOFIn particular, if you start touch while it's disabled and then release after it's been ree23:49
RAOFre-enabled, you'll decrement a counter that hasn't been incremented.  If you keep doing this it'll end up negative, and then synaptics will start writing data outside the buffer.23:49
RAOFOk, and this is a semi-multitouch pad, which doesn't count.23:53
seb128RAOF, btw just saw your comment on that barrier bug about nvidia issues, we have bug #93779223:56
ubot2`Launchpad bug 937792 in nvidia-graphics-drivers "Left launcher does not revel when in autohide mode on multi-monitor setups" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93779223:56
seb128RAOF, which is the issue DBO said was due to new nvidia drivers23:57

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