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zulwhos running the meeting today?16:01
utlemmingWell, I believe I'm running this shindig16:02
Davieyutlemming: i believe you16:02
meetingologyMeeting started Tue Feb 21 16:02:16 2012 UTC.  The chair is utlemming. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.16:02
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utlemming[TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting16:02
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zuloh good not me16:02
utlemmingIt doesn't look like there is anything to cover from the last meeting16:02
utlemmingso we'll move on then16:03
utlemming[TOPIC] Precise Development16:03
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utlemmingFearless Leader Daviey, what do you have for us?16:03
Davieyoh, hello16:03
DavieyFirstly, FF was last Thursday.16:03
DavieyIs there any undeclared features people need to land before release?16:04
hallyndefine declared?16:04
ScottKThere will be a postfix FFe for 2.9.16:04
arosalesjamespage: and rbasak are working on openmpi 1.516:04
ScottKlamont and I have already discussed it.16:04
utlemmingI'm working on a cloud-image mirroring script16:04
DavieyScottK: Oh, great. Anything exciting?16:04
adam_gDaviey: opnenstack introduced a new python dependency over the weekend that is not in main, python-iso860116:05
roaksoaxI'll have to file FFe for cobbler MIR and probably some other packages new upstream's16:05
adam_g(for nova + glance)16:05
Davieyarosales: is openmpi still ging to ship 1.4 and 1.5, or still investigating just switching?16:05
Davieyadam_g: *sigh*16:05
jamespageDaviey: decision on that in the next hour16:05
arosalesDaviey: I think jamespage and rbasak were working on updating to 1.516:06
arosalesinclude the dependencies,16:06
Davieyadam_g: at least it is packaged!16:06
Davieyjamespage: cool16:06
Davieyshall we go through the bug states?16:06
Davieyarosales: cool16:06
adam_gDaviey: its very small, too. <150 LOC16:06
Davieyadam_g: should be simples.. :)16:07
Davieybug 92473916:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 924739 in squid3 (Ubuntu Precise) "after upgrade from oneiric to precise, previous squid config unused, cannot be used when relocated" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92473916:07
Davieyadam_g: were you looking at that?16:07
ScottKDaviey: usual new release of postfix.  The biggest change is a memcache client.16:07
adam_gDaviey: a bit, but haven't made any progres sinthe last week16:08
DavieyScottK: well between you, lamont and a reliable upstream.. doesn;t concern too much :)16:08
* ScottK nods16:08
Davieyadam_g: Are you able to investigate further before next tues?16:08
roaksoaxadam_g: do you think a newer upstream of squid with improve things?16:09
adam_gDaviey: i can, but not certain how much progress i can make alone. would love to have help of anyone else interested16:09
adam_groaksoax: not AFAIK. there are features not-yet ported to squid3 that cause config parsing to fail16:09
Davieyadam_g: Okay, if you drive it - we'll see who else can help.16:09
adam_gDaviey: k16:10
Davieyroaksoax is kinda snowed under right now.16:10
roaksoaxadam_g: I can also help with that as I have a bug with the buckets which is supposedly fixed in a new upstream that is in debian unstable atm mand we might have to file FFe16:10
Davieybug 88398816:10
Davieyanother for adam_g ? :)16:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 883988 in glance (Ubuntu Precise) "db migration failing when upgrading glance - trying to create existing tables" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88398816:10
adam_gDaviey: unfortunately i missed the openstack project meeting where i'd like to bring that up, will do this week16:10
Davieyadam_g: tonight?16:11
adam_gDaviey: ah, yea16:11
Davieybug 893926, assignee unassigned themselves.. It's an open bug for anyone to grab..16:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 893926 in eucalyptus (Ubuntu) "Contains traces of UEC" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89392616:11
Daviey(I'll take it if someone else doesn't)16:11
Davieyroaksoax: bug 911812 ?16:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 911812 in facter (Ubuntu Precise) "processor fact does not handle arm, others" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91181216:12
DavieySpamapS: bug 914392 ?16:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 914392 in juju (Ubuntu) "LXC local provider does not respect 'series' (only installs oneiric)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91439216:12
SpamapSDaviey: fix released! (marking as such)16:13
DavieySpamapS: \o/16:13
Davieyzul: bug 92368116:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 923681 in debian-installer (Ubuntu) "Server install fails when selecting everything but 'VM host' & 'Manual selection' from tasksel" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92368116:13
zulshould be fixed now...ill have to download an iso to test16:13
roaksoaxDaviey: sorry, hanlde it now as I have pandbaboards to test with16:14
Davieybug 925024 , hallyn ?16:14
ubottuLaunchpad bug 925024 in lxc (Ubuntu) "apparmor makes it impossible to install postgresql-common on Precise" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92502416:14
Davieybug 850443 , /me , not much progress.  Checking with an upstream depends if it has been fixed, awaiting feedback16:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 850443 in python-eventlet (Ubuntu) "Nova API does not listen on IPv6" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85044316:15
hallyn<shrug> jjohansen ahs a fix16:16
hallynHe was waiting on other apparmor changes, but at this poitn I"m not sure that's appropriate any more16:16
hallynNeed to talk to him about it.16:16
Davieyhallyn: okay, can you check in with him if it is fixed in Precise?16:16
Davieybug 928383 , adam_g / zul ?16:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 928383 in glance (Ubuntu) "python-glance package contains stuff about API and registry" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92838316:16
hallynDaviey: it's not fixed in precise, pretty sure.  Just need to ask him to push separately16:17
hallyn(will do)16:17
Davieyhallyn: thanks!16:17
Davieybug 928990 : smoser ?16:17
ubottuLaunchpad bug 928990 in cloud-init (Ubuntu) "fsck / dirty filesystem on instance is death" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92899016:17
zulDaviey: "I've used 2012.1~e3-0ubuntu0~ppa1~oneiric1 version."16:17
zulbut ill have a look16:18
Davieythanks zul, what about  bug 929780 ?16:18
ubottuLaunchpad bug 929780 in nova (Ubuntu) "console.ring files should not be world readable" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92978016:18
smbDaviey, not sure but I think smoser is supposed to be on vacation or so. At least probably not working16:18
Davieysmb: right!16:18
Davieyadam_g: bug 932466 ?16:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 932466 in Glance "glance db migrations deadlock against precise mysql server" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93246616:19
adam_gDaviey: ah, just marked fixed released for ubuntu16:19
Davieybug 932468 , /me , fix released - updated16:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 932468 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "python-novaclient hardcodes UUID_CACHE_DIR, this should respect some env variable" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93246816:20
Davieybug 875262 , SpamapS ?16:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 875262 in php5 (Ubuntu Oneiric) "PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20090626+lfs/sqlite.so'" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87526216:20
Daviey(Did php get updated?)16:20
Davieybug 880339: roaksoax ?16:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 880339 in mysql-5.1 (Ubuntu Precise) "AppArmor profile needs update" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88033916:21
zullookes like it16:21
roaksoaxDaviey: have tried couple times cound't reproduce it16:21
Davieyzul: right, but is it still a bug? :) (PHP)16:21
roaksoaxDaviey: but I have a new lead. will look further also this week too16:21
SpamapSDaviey: PHP did get updated16:22
Davieyroaksoax: Can you update the bug, and mark it incomplete pending more data?16:22
SpamapSDaviey: and the mysql apparmor profile was fixed, I think16:22
DavieySpamapS: sweet16:22
Davieybug 907197: zul ?16:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 907197 in nova (Ubuntu) "ip address can't be injected into the instance when using lxc " [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90719716:22
SpamapSthe PHP sqlite bug has a comment from me asking for those affected to test again16:22
SpamapSit got fixed in Debian actually16:23
Davieyzul: bug 879666 ( rbasak ?)16:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 879666 in nova (Ubuntu Precise) "chown error for console.fifo when launching vm" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87966616:23
DavieySpamapS: good job!16:24
zulDaviey: starting again on it this week16:24
Davieyis zul still alive?16:24
zulDaviey: barely16:25
Davieyzul: both of them? ^^16:25
zuli cant seem to reproduce the lxc one yet still16:25
Davieyzul: i don't follow.16:25
Davieyzul: ah!16:25
Davieyzul: Can you give it another crack this week?16:26
Davieybug 918791: hallyn16:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 918791 in qemu-kvm (Ubuntu Precise) "qemu-kvm dies when using vmvga driver and unity in the guest" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91879116:26
hallynjwerner was looking at that?16:26
Davieyah.. and he's not here :(16:27
hallynif he wont 'have time i can take a day this week to dedicate to figuring it out.16:27
Davieyhallyn: Can you check in with him after this?16:27
Davieybug 924375, smoser - wil check in with him when he is around16:28
Davieybug 92502416:28
ubottuLaunchpad bug 924375 in cloud-init (Ubuntu) "cloud-init should allow pre-seeding of ec2 datasource:Ec2:metadata_urls" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92437516:28
ubottuLaunchpad bug 925024 in lxc (Ubuntu) "apparmor makes it impossible to install postgresql-common on Precise" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92502416:28
hallyndidn't we already talk about that?16:28
Davieydupe, yeah16:29
Davieyutlemming: bug 926160 ?16:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 926160 in Ubuntu "precise cloud-images significantly larger than oneiric" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92616016:29
SpamapSDaviey: shouldn't we also check in on blueprints/topic-blueprints?16:29
DavieySpamapS: Yes.16:29
utlemmingDaveiy: no update, looks like we won't be fixing it as it is related to disk creation and not the images themselves.16:30
Davieybug 928378: adam_g zul ?16:30
ubottuLaunchpad bug 928378 in glance (Ubuntu) "glance client should be separate from server" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92837816:30
zulDaviey: ill take it16:30
Davieyutlemming: ah, can you mark it as such. :)16:30
utlemmingyes sir16:31
Davieyzul: bug 931236 ?16:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 931236 in keystone (Ubuntu) "keystone install is unnecessarily interactive" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93123616:31
zullooked at it...no solution for it though16:31
Davieybug 932800: adam_g ?16:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 932800 in glance (Ubuntu) "New glance dependency: ca-certificates" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93280016:31
Davieyzul: Hmm, really?16:31
zulDaviey: really16:31
adam_gDaviey: we can get the ca-certificates added this week for sure, befor next snapshot16:31
Davieybug 901881, seems an easy catch for this week aswell16:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 901881 in glance (Ubuntu) "nova and glance should depend on python-keystone" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90188116:32
DavieyAny other busg that should be targeted ?16:32
adam_gDaviey: still blocked on the keystone MIR, but needed more now than before16:32
DavieySpamapS: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-automated-boot-testing , everything TODO to be postponed?16:33
Davieyjamespage: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-cloud-image-testing same?16:34
Daviey(freecloud item to be postponed for sure, i guess)16:34
SpamapSDaviey: not at all. Its just been slow getting integrated into the test suite because they don't want more development done on it.16:34
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SpamapSDaviey: I need to get w/ jamespage and get the changes I already developed added into the testing framework and then those will fall rapidly16:35
DavieySpamapS: how is juju charm testing doing?16:35
jamespageDaviey: yep - I'll postpone that ietm16:35
SpamapSDaviey: spec seems stalled.. will have to revive it (set it aside for Feature Freeze)16:36
Davieyadam_g: is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-openstack-charms accurate ?16:36
DavieySpamapS: cool16:36
Davieyhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-cfjuju , just postponed puppet items on behalf of lynxman16:37
adam_gDaviey: yes, tho i think POSTPONED'ing 'melange - charm needed if quantum is supported (tech preview)'16:37
DavieySpamapS: Can you report how juju is shaping up?16:37
Davieyadam_g: make it so :)16:38
SpamapSLots of bugs fixed. Subordinates are starting to land.16:38
SpamapSStill a giant pile of production limiting bugs.16:38
SpamapSBut we will be working on some "real world" testing of juju+precise in the next few weeks.16:39
DavieyHopefully they'll be some bitesize bugs everyone can work on :)16:39
Daviey(being driven by kernel, smb?)16:40
Davieyor SpamapS ?16:40
Davieyhallyn: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-kvm-document-suggested-changes ?16:40
Davieysmb: there seems to be some ceph todo's assigned to the kernel team, are you/they aware?16:41
smbDaviey, no16:41
Davieysmb: rocking :)16:41
DavieySpamapS: Is it something that can be postponed ?16:42
Davieyhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-powernap likely to be postponed?16:42
DavieySpamapS: and/or https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-glusterfs-mir16:42
SpamapSDaviey: some of the ceph stuff will be postponed yes16:42
roaksoaxDaviey: I;m postponing it and propiosing it to GSoC16:43
Davieyroaksoax: cool16:43
SpamapSDaviey: Not sure about glusterfs.16:43
DavieySpamapS: can you update, and speak to smb about what needs to be done?16:43
SpamapSDaviey: with a LOW priority, its been pushed down a lot.16:43
DavieySpamapS: lets table glusterfs for the meeting and work otu for next week.16:43
Davieysorry for overunnning..16:43
Davieyutlemming: ?16:43
utlemming[TOPIC] Ubuntu Server Team Events16:43
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SpamapSDaviey: I don't think there's anything for the kernel team to do for CEPH .. its more about QA and testing.16:43
utlemmingDo we have any team events this week?16:44
utlemmingI'll take that as a no...16:44
utlemming[TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)16:44
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utlemminghggdh, rbasak: do either of you have an arm server updates?16:45
rbasakNo updates16:45
hallynDaviey: (sorry;  except for netcf everything on my blueprints is handle-able)16:45
utlemmingGreat...thank you gentlemen16:45
utlemming[TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)16:45
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utlemmingsmb: hows the kernel?16:45
Daviey(hallyn: great)16:45
smbutlemming, Not too bad, thanks :)16:45
smbWell right now persuing some issue back in lucid with spinloack16:46
hggdhI am setting up persistent VMs for all supported Ubuntu releases in the QA lab. This could be used, later on, to test server SRUs16:46
smbtrying to look into an issue smoser has brought up16:46
smband something else I cannot remember right now16:47
smb(failing a bit on the mutlitasking part :-P)16:47
smosersmoser's interupts are high priority!16:47
* smoser thanks smb for his help16:48
Davieysmb: the kernel has been rock solid for me so far :)16:48
Daviey(best. kernel. ever)16:48
utlemming[TOPIC] Open Discussion16:48
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utlemmingAny other topics, questions, concerns or general mockings?16:49
* Daviey mocks soren 16:50
SpamapShuats: care to update us on zentyal briefly?16:50
* lynxman points to Sorens target audience16:50
huatsSpamapS: sure16:50
huatszentyal packages have been out for a while16:51
SpamapSIn a PPA16:51
huatsand they ask to be include in universe16:51
huatsso there is a massive review of their work16:52
huatssince they have change many things16:52
huatsand the name of the package16:52
huatswhich means a NEW process inclusion16:52
huatsI am doing a review on that aspect to help the archive admin that will review the packages16:53
SpamapSBaically, bug 928501 needs to be fixed.. but that involves *19* NEW packages16:53
ubottuLaunchpad bug 928501 in ebox (Ubuntu) "Precise will ship totally broken ebox packages" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92850116:53
huats(this is what we have defined with SpamapS)16:53
huatsthe thing is that the upstream is also doing the packaging16:53
huatsand they are really eager to help16:53
SpamapSso huats is going to do a preliminary review looking at what the AA's will look at .. so that there isn't a cycle of review and rejection16:53
SpamapSI'll upload the packages (and review as well) once huats has taken a look and gotten some feedback to the Zentyal devs16:54
huatsI should be able to give a first review by tomorrow16:54
SpamapSAnyway, thats all16:54
SpamapShuats: right?16:54
SpamapShuats: THANK YOU!16:55
huatsthanks for the clarification :)16:55
huatsthat is it :)16:55
utlemmingAnd with that, we'll yield back the balance of the time.16:55
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arosalesThanks for moderating utlemming16:56
SpamapSutlemming: FYI, you missed "announce the next meeting time"16:57
SpamapSwhich would be, next Tuesday16:57
utlemming [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time16:58
utlemming[TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time16:58
utlemminghummm...doesn't work outside a meeting...I'll put it in the notes16:58
meetingologyMeeting started Tue Feb 21 17:00:07 2012 UTC.  The chair is jsalisbury. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.17:00
jsalisbury## This is the Ubuntu Kernel Team weekly status meeting.17:00
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jsalisburyRoll Call for Ubuntu Kernel Weekly Status Meeting17:00
jsalisbury[TOPIC] ARM Status (ppisati)17:01
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ppisatiP/omap4: a new kernel was released (Ubuntu-3.2.0-1406.8) and a fix for lp937051 ("Cannot set MAC address via kernel boot parameters") is in the pipe.17:01
ppisatiSRU: a new round of SRU kernels for every release/arch is queued.17:01
jsalisbury[TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (jsalisbury)17:01
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jsalisburyRelease metrics and incoming bug data can be reviewed at the following link:17:01
jsalisbury[LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kt-meeting.txt17:01
jsalisbury[TOPIC] Milestone Targeted Work Items (ogasawara)17:02
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ogasawara[LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/canonical-kernel-distro-team-ubuntu-12.04-beta-1.html17:02
ogasawara|| apw        || hardware-p-kernel-boot                || 2 work items ||17:02
ogasawara||            || hardware-p-kernel-config-review       || 3 work items ||17:02
ogasawara||            || hardware-p-kernel-delta-review        || 2 work items ||17:02
ogasawara|| ogasawara  || hardware-p-kernel-config-review       || 4 work items ||17:02
ogasawara|| sconklin   || servercloud-p-ceph                    || 1 work item  ||17:02
ogasawaraIf your name is in the above table, please review your Beta-1 work items.17:02
jsalisbury[TOPIC] Blueprint: hardware-p-kernel-power-management (cking)17:02
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ckingPower Management:17:02
cking * Work around broken HP battery info for powerstat.17:02
cking * Started looking at Phoronix test suite17:02
cking * Call for testing: RC6 at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/PowerManagementRC617:02
cking   ^^ Thanks to Leann Ogasawara for organising this.17:02
jsalisbury[TOPIC] Status: Precise Development Kernel (ogasawara)17:03
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ogasawaraLast week we uploaded the 3.2.0-17.26 kernel.  Beta freeze is this17:03
ogasawaraThursday and Beta-1 is planned for next Thurs Mar 1.  I do not intend17:03
ogasawaraany further uploads until after Beta-1.  Only fixes critical for the17:03
ogasawararelease will warrent an upload at this point in time.17:03
ogasawaraImportant upcoming dates:17:03
ogasawara * Thurs Feb 23 - Beta Freeze (~2 days)17:03
ogasawara * Thurs Mar 01 - Beta 1 (~1 week)17:03
jsalisbury[TOPIC] Status: CVE's (apw)17:03
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ckingapw's laptop has just crashed - come back to this later17:03
jsalisbury[TOPIC] Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Oneiric/Natty/Maverick/Lucid/Hardy (bjf/herton)17:04
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bjfHere is the status for the main kernels, until today (Feb. 21):17:04
bjf 17:04
bjf * Hardy - 2.6.24-31.99     - In verification17:04
bjf * Lucid - 2.6.32-39.86     - In verification17:04
bjf * Maverick - 2.6.35-32.66  - In verification17:04
bjf * Natty - 2.6.38-13.56     - In verification17:04
bjf * Oneiric - 3.0.0-16.29    - In verification17:04
bjf 17:04
bjfCurrent opened tracking bugs details:17:04
bjf * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kernel-sru-workflow.html17:04
bjf 17:04
bjfFor SRUs, SRU report is a good source of information:17:04
bjf * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/sru-report.html17:04
bjf 17:04
bjfFuture stable cadence cycles:17:04
bjf * https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseInterlock17:04
jsalisbury[TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions? Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)17:05
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apwjsalisbury, am back17:05
jsalisburyogasawara, go17:05
ogasawarajust want to give a quick welcome to henrix17:05
* apw ^5's ogasawara17:06
henrixthanks! nice to be around17:06
ckingwelcome henrix17:06
jsalisburysforshee, did you have a comment or just saying hi to henrix?17:06
henrixapw: where?17:06
* smb heard beer17:06
apwjsalisbury, say "sforshee, go" and see what he does17:07
jsalisburysforshee, go17:07
jsalisburyok, we can move back to CVE's17:07
sforsheeI think something went wrong, that was my roll call response17:08
jsalisburyahh, ok17:08
apw 17:08
sforsheemessages were delayed to me I guess17:08
apwCurrently we have 72 CVEs on our radar, one new CVEs were added this week.17:08
apwSee the CVE matrix for the current list:17:08
apw 17:08
apw[LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/ALL-linux.html17:08
apw 17:08
apwOverall the backlog is unchanged this week, though we have closed one17:08
apwadditional CVE across the board:17:08
apw 17:08
apw[LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/status/cve-metrics.txt17:08
apw[LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/CVE-linux.txt17:08
apw 17:08
jsalisburyAny other comments or announcements?17:09
apwnada ..17:09
jsalisburyThanks everyone17:09
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apwjsalisbury, ta17:09
* apw looks at the fridge ... with his come and get my eyes17:09
* ogasawara cries and stares at the clock17:10
* ppisati -> EOD17:46
czajkowskixdatap1: cprofitt greg-g itnet7 ping19:59
czajkowskineed the others to continue20:00
xdatap1let's wait few minutes20:01
* greg-g waves20:03
greg-gso, the fridge has this in an hour20:03
JanCthe fridge is often wrong that way (or was, at least?)20:04
greg-gthen we should fix it?20:04
JanCgreg-g: fix google ?20:04
greg-gfix the timezone of the meeting?20:04
czajkowskigreg-g: it's UTC but I suspect it's picking up summer time for some unknown reason20:05
JanCAFAIK this is a google bug, but I might be wrong20:05
czajkowskialways gone by the wiki page20:05
xdatap1hey greg-g ! :)20:05
* greg-g is able to get gcal to be consistent and corrent, across timezones with peole in europe ;)20:05
greg-gbut anywho..20:05
greg-ghiya xdatap1 !20:05
greg-gso, we have quorum?20:06
cprofittgreg-g: yes20:06
cprofittczajkowski, me, you, xdatap120:07
xdatap1ok, shall we start?20:07
cprofittyes, please20:07
xdatap1I'll chair the meeting20:08
meetingologyMeeting started Tue Feb 21 20:08:03 2012 UTC.  The chair is xdatap1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.20:08
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xdatap1so, today's agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda20:08
xdatap1let's start with the team's approval20:08
xdatap1Netherlands team is here?20:09
Ronniexdatap1: o/20:09
greg-ghi there!20:09
xdatap1hello Ronnie, welcome! Please introduce yourself and your team20:09
RonnieI'm Ronnie, the new Ubuntu-NL Loco contact. I took the seat over after the absence of our former LoCo contact (Sense Hofstede) a few months ago.20:09
RonnieUbuntu NL was founded in 2004, and still a very active Ubuntu Community20:10
czajkowskialoha folks20:10
RonniePrevious reapproval (2010-12-21) we were not approved, because most of the community councel wanted to wait on the upcoming change in governance structure. Now, more than a year later were ready for a reapproval.20:10
RonnieBug of the previous approval: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-locoteams/+bug/69317820:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 693178 in Ubuntu LoCo Teams "Re-approval, ubuntu-nl" [High,Fix released]20:10
RonnieThe new governance has each month an IRC meeting, were we take disicions on the topics discussed on the mailinglist and we make new action points. The meetings are open for everyone to join. The first part of the meeting is intended for the goverance only, to discuss more quickly and take discisions (everyone is free to read it). In the second part, everyone can join the discussion.20:11
* greg-g nods20:11
Ronniemore information can be found in the link czajkowski posted above. Feel free to ask any question20:11
czajkowskiRonnie: hiya so glad to see ye guys came back20:12
cprofittI have read your application, taken a look at your website, and at loco.ubuntu.com20:12
czajkowskiand well done for that20:12
cprofittWell done on the documentation Ronnie20:13
czajkowskiRonnie: so a couple of questions as I was on the last council when the application came before20:13
Ronniethx cprofitt20:13
czajkowskiwhen sense left the team did seem to go rapidly down hill20:13
greg-gRonnie: I see the list of events these past few years, some of them look interesting, what is the general type of event that Ubuntu-NL puts on or participates in?20:13
czajkowskiwaht measures are no in place to stop such an episode happening again20:13
czajkowskiI know there were a lot of issues in the past with information not being passed to others, and conerations happening on the forums but not elsewhere, do you feel that all the extra levels of governance is helping?20:14
Ronniethe team did not really gone downhill when sense left the team. We still had meetings every month (thomas_de_graaff took over the meeting chair)20:14
cprofittRonnie: are any other members from your team in channel presently?20:15
JanCI agree the day-to-day working of the team didn't really go downhill20:15
czajkowskiRonnie: we had people coming in looking to find out what to do as they dodnt know what to do20:15
Ronniethe only difference was that that we hadn't any loco contact at the moment20:15
greg-gwelcome Thomas_de_Graaff and johanvd !20:15
* JanC is on the ubuntu-nl IRC team20:15
* StefandeVries too.20:16
greg-gwelcome all!20:16
cprofittRonnie - so it was an issue with having a single contact? or was that also the team 'owner' for LP?20:16
cprofittwelcome to all Ubuntu-NL folks!!20:16
cprofittgreat to see such a strong showing!!20:16
Ronnieczajkowski: yes we contacted the community councel to ask what steps we needed to take to make a smooth transition. but that didn't mean the team got downhill.20:17
greg-gRonnie: good, so, do you think the current situation is positive for the team? Are the events/decisions happening in a positive manner?20:17
Thomas_de_GraaffI want to add that the structures Sense laid out made it quite easy to continue with a missing member.20:17
cprofittThomas_de_Graaff: +120:18
cprofittI see that now looking at LP20:18
Ronniegreg-g: it defenitly improved very much20:18
Ronniethere were some issues this year, but i think we handled them all very nice20:18
greg-gwhat are your plans for this year: the usual of release parties and global jams?20:19
Ronniethe new governance is also more present in the community than before20:19
Ronnielike i mentioned the open meetings improved it a lot20:19
xdatap1good Ronnie, thanks. Any other question? otherwise we can vote20:20
cprofittI am set to vote20:20
Ronnieyes, definitly release parties and UGJ20:20
Ronniebut also improvements on the insight in the current community20:20
greg-ggood deal20:21
Ronnieand finding out whats needed to improve it even more20:21
Ronniewe also working very hard on the new website: Demo: http://communityserver.ubuntu-nl.org/20:21
greg-glooks good!20:22
czajkowskiwell done20:22
Ronnieand were planning to do more workshops in the ubuntu-nl-mwanzo team20:22
xdatap1Ronnie, that one is an interesting idea, I'll ask you more info next days about it :)20:23
Ronniewhich will result in more active participation in the community20:23
xdatap1let's vote, then20:23
xdatap1#voters czajkowski xdatap1 greg-g cprofitt20:23
meetingologyCurrent voters: cprofitt czajkowski greg-g xdatap120:23
xdatap1#vote Ubuntu-NL reapproval20:24
meetingologyPlease vote on: Ubuntu-NL reapproval20:24
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)20:24
meetingology+1 received from cprofitt20:24
meetingology+1 received from greg-g20:24
meetingology+1 received from czajkowski20:24
xdatap1+1, keep up the good work20:24
meetingology+1, keep up the good work received from xdatap120:24
meetingologyVoting ended on: Ubuntu-NL reapproval20:24
meetingologyVotes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:020:24
meetingologyMotion carried20:24
xdatap1congratulation guys20:24
StefandeVries\o/ Hoorah!20:24
cprofittcongrats folks... job well done!!20:25
Ronniethx xdatap1, cprofitt, czajkowski, greg-g20:25
oCeanGreat. Gefeliciteerd mannen!20:25
Thomas_de_GraaffThx. council.20:25
xdatap1let's move on, Belgium Team20:25
pvandewyngaerdehello from Belgium20:25
Ronniegood luck south neighbours20:25
pvandewyngaerdecongratulations Ronnie20:26
leoquantgood luck belgium!20:26
cprofittWho is here from Ubuntu-BE?20:26
jean7491 hi from belgian loco team20:26
cprofittGood to see you folks; I appreciate your attending JanC pvandewyngaerde jean749120:26
xdatap1Hello JanC! Nice to see you. Please introduce yourself and introduce your team20:27
czajkowskiwelcome folks20:28
JanCwell, I'm the loco contact of the Belgian Team, and we promote Ubuntu in Belgium, as you can see on the ReApproval wiki page  ☺20:28
czajkowskinicely detailed20:29
czajkowskiand I know from hands on experience of seeing the team in action at FOSDEM how active this team is20:29
cprofittI am curious how the idea of having a council for your team is working out; has it helped the team?20:29
pvandewyngaerdei am also a member of the council20:29
FOADAnd I give moral support.20:30
cprofittFOAD: that can be very important at times :-)20:31
FOADThank you. :)20:31
xdatap1I like the idea of "Ubuntu-be Promise"20:31
xdatap1well done guys20:31
cprofittJanC: I am curious how the idea of having a council for your team is working out; has it helped the team?20:31
JanCcprofitt: good question; as personally I am not really convinced of its added value right now, but maybe in the future...20:32
* cprofitt nods20:32
cprofittsimilar experience with my team20:32
cprofittfrom the wiki event entries it does not look like the team is affected by it... lots of activity20:32
czajkowskiJanC: is there a reason the team doesnt use the LTP, not that there is a requirement to use it, just curious20:32
cprofittI was just going to ask that as well20:33
JanCczajkowski: mostly because we already used infrastructure on our own site20:33
cprofittloco.ubuntu.com makes it very easy to see future and past events20:33
czajkowskiJanC: wouldnt you prefer to see all events on the LTP where all other teams use it ?20:33
JanCI discussed changing that with our former webmaster, bu as he emigrated to Canada recently...20:33
cprofittthe issue for me with LTP is the ability for new users to find only one source of information20:34
JanCso we need to get back to that in the future with the new one20:34
cprofittlooking at loco.ubuntu.com leads me to beleive that there is no activity... which is clearly not the case20:34
czajkowskithough I've seen your flyers and info booths, I do know all your work is up to date and would show only one place20:34
JanCthe idea would be to pull in events from LTP then20:34
cprofitt+1 JanC - that would work fantastic20:34
greg-gJanC: another qustion: how do you plan on increasing exposure of Ubuntu/Free Software in schools (as stated on your roadmap)?20:35
cprofittI would really like to have the great example your team sets and have the entire global community see it20:35
czajkowskiJanC: that would be nice, but again no requirement for it, other than it bein nice to see all teams use it20:36
czajkowskimakes it easuer to see how teams are doing from one site20:36
JanCI don't think we really have a roadmap as the team, but some individuals are working with schools, and we have the company that spreads awesome Ubuntu multiseats in schools & libraries  ☺20:36
xdatap1any other question? otherwise we can start voting20:37
cprofittall set here20:37
greg-ggo for it! :)20:38
xdatap1#vote Ubuntu-BE reapproval20:38
meetingologyPlease vote on: Ubuntu-BE reapproval20:38
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)20:38
jean7491about schools:as now there are only individual initiatives, hope is that a council helpshould help coordination and encouraging other initiatives20:38
meetingology+1 received from cprofitt20:38
FOADI just want to say Belgium is the best.20:38
meetingology+1 received from xdatap120:38
meetingology+1 received from czajkowski20:38
czajkowskiFOAD: only council members vote20:38
FOADOh, sorry.20:38
FOAD-1 then.20:39
meetingology+1 received from greg-g20:39
meetingologyVoting ended on: Ubuntu-BE reapproval20:39
meetingologyVotes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:020:39
meetingologyMotion carried20:39
FOADI apologize profoundly.20:39
cprofittno worries FOAD20:39
xdatap1congratulation Belgium!20:39
cprofittcongrats Ubuntu-BE20:39
JanCthanks all!20:39
StefandeVriesCongratulations, Belgian LoCo!20:39
Thomas_de_GraaffGefeliciteerd :D20:40
xdatap1ok, next topic. cprofitt would you introduce it?20:40
cprofittcan you set the topic20:40
xdatap1#topic Team Contact vs. Team Owner - can we leverage loco.ubuntu.com?20:41
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cprofittAs you all know we have has some issues with teams getting notified about reapproval due to team owners and team contacts not being the same or because team owners have gone off the grid even though the team is active.20:41
cprofittI would like to suggest that we use loco.ubuntu.com as the source for team contact information as it allows the sep. of the two roles and it allows multiple users in those roles20:41
FOADHurray, congratulations my Belgian brethren.20:42
pvandewyngaerdebtw, on the wiki it says there is a bug created when a team needs reapproval,  was there a bug for ubuntu-be ? i did not find one20:42
cprofittpvandewyngaerde: the bugs are private20:42
cprofittso it is not searchable20:42
czajkowskiFOAD: pvandewyngaerde we're on a new topic20:42
FOADI know that.20:42
cprofittdoes that seem reasonable to the council to use loco.ubuntu.com?20:43
czajkowskiwell all teams are imported there from LP so all details should be up to date and makes it easier to find out who to contact rather than seaching lp20:43
cprofittthat was my thought czajkowski20:44
cprofittwould that require a re-write of any tools?20:44
xdatap1we send emails with LP, right?20:45
czajkowskixdatap1: nop20:45
czajkowskiyou send a mail from what ever tool you use to send mails20:45
czajkowskionly if people do not have public addresses do you us elp to contct them20:45
czajkowskiwhich I do object if you are the team contact you shouldbe able to be contacted and email address public20:46
greg-gthat changed, no?20:46
cprofitt+1 czajkowski20:46
xdatap1how do we send re-approval emails?20:46
greg-g(I thought there was a change to the way LP sent emails to people with private emails)20:46
cprofittI would think re-approval emails would be generated by LP via the bugs20:46
cprofittwhich would send an email to anyone we subscribe20:47
cprofittbut not 100% sure on how it was done in the past.20:47
czajkowskigreg-g: it does email them20:47
JanCyep, I got mail once I was subscribed20:48
greg-gcagood deal20:48
czajkowskicprofitt: once you add the team contact sure.20:49
xdatap1cprofitt, so the proposa is to use the loco dir just a white page for LoCos contatcs, right? Not changing the way we send email20:49
czajkowskiwhich would have been gotten from the LTP20:49
greg-gbtw, I'm fine with this, if I don't see the vote due to lag20:49
cprofittjust use loco.ubuntu.com as the source of who contacts are20:49
cprofittdo we need an actual vote or just an informal +1?20:50
cprofittI don't think we really need a vote20:50
cprofittjust want to make sure we are all on the same page20:50
xdatap1It's fine for me20:50
czajkowskiall one the same page here20:51
cprofittI will motion that we adjourn the meeting20:51
xdatap1shall we end, then?20:52
czajkowskiyes please20:52
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meetingologyMeeting ended Tue Feb 21 20:52:59 2012 UTC.20:52
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xdatap1thanks everybody for coming20:53
FOADNo problem.20:54
OerUbuntu have fun!20:54
StefandeVriesAgain, thanks to the council for their judgement on the Dutch reapproval. Goodbye!20:54
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