[00:20] <HiDeHo> Hi all i have a long outstanding ban from the main channel. i am not sure of the finer details, but i believe its something i have moved on from and gotten over. i used to be a loose unit in irc adn raved on like a freak. I woudl liek to be let back into this channel from time to tiem when i am using ubuntu. to chat generally about it. no other os even related ones like mint or debian descusion at all.
[00:21] <pangolin> Give me a minute to look up the ban, but just so you know #ubuntu is not a "chat" channel it is for support.
[00:22] <pangolin> if you want to just chat about ubuntu there is #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:24] <pangolin> HiDeHo: seems the last time you got banned was because of poor attitude and name calling of other users who tried to correct you when you gave wrong/bad advice. Does this sound like what you remember?
[00:28] <HiDeHo> it might have been back then i used to spend hourd up late on my computer liek till 3am so might have done that when over tired then. my fault for being on my comoputer that time i guess. its up to you and other ops if you want to give ma another chance but i understand if you dont
[00:28] <HiDeHo> * hours up late
[00:29] <pangolin> I am willing to remove the ban but before I do I want to make sure you understand that sort of behaviour is unacceptable in any ubuntu channels
[00:29] <pangolin> !guidelines
[00:30] <pangolin> please have a look at the guidelines and let me know if you understand and are willing to follow them
[00:30] <HiDeHo> from my observing, you run a tight channel and one step over the line kick, ban out of there.  i understand why you need to be like that.
[00:32] <pangolin> I also need you to understand and acknowledge that #ubuntu is not for general chat of any kind, even ubuntu related. The channel is for support only.
[00:35] <HiDeHo> pangolin: is there an oftiic channel you recomend for ubuntu users
[00:35] <pangolin> #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:35] <HiDeHo> sometimes there is a handy need for general chat between users
[00:36] <HiDeHo> ok thats good. a slight reminder to move there every now and then is good thanks
[00:36] <HiDeHo> sometimes without meaning to general chat happens
[00:36] <pangolin> well, that is the thing. I don't want to have to remind you to chat in the off topic channel.
[00:37] <pangolin> #ubuntu is for support. that is why we have #ubuntu-offtopic.
[00:37] <pangolin> So, if you agree to follow the chanel guidelines I will be happy to remove the ban and let you join #ubuntu to get and give ubuntu support.
[00:38] <pangolin> channel*
[00:44] <pangolin> HiDeHo: you still here?
[04:36] <Jordan_U> Any idea why we've had a recent upsurge in people trying !list in #ubuntu?
[04:51] <pangolin> possibly the fact that megaupload was shut down
[06:49] <Silverlion> HiDeHo: hey there
[06:50] <HiDeHo> hi i have read the rules in I've Been Redeemed as requested by pangolin earlier. I understand that i need to watch how i act I will read them from time to time to remind me.
[06:50] <HiDeHo> Silverlion: i asume you are one of the many ops
[06:51] <Silverlion> HiDeHo: i am one of the ops, yes
[06:51] <HiDeHo> ok well i agree to the guidlines ok
[06:52] <pangolin> HiDeHo: Please be aware that if we are forced to ban you again it will take a lot longer before we unban you.
[06:52] <HiDeHo> no spamming, no cross posting, no dont use public away messages
[06:52] <Silverlion> HiDeHo: as i havent been present pangolin will take over
[06:52] <HiDeHo> what are public awauy messages
[06:53] <HiDeHo> i want ot know what that is so i dont break it when in #ubuntu
[06:53] <pangolin> scripts that announce you are away in the channel
[06:53] <HiDeHo> pangolin: i understand its been more than 6th month from what i recall since i ws baned anyway
[06:53] <HiDeHo> such as
[06:54] <pangolin> ok, I removed the ban. Please rejoin #ubuntu and welcome back.
[06:54] <HiDeHo-away> you mean like that or
[06:54] <pangolin> that too
[06:55] <pangolin> try to avoid changing your nick often when in #ubuntu
[06:55] <HiDeHo-afk> i woudl not term tha as bad but if you do i will respect
[06:55] <pangolin> thank you.
[06:55] <HiDeHo-afk> ok what are public away messags you make it sound like its more
[06:56] <pangolin> scripts that annouce you are away...
[06:56]  * pangolin is away blah blah blah
[06:56] <HiDeHo> thanks pangolin i will come in when i need assistance
[06:56] <pangolin> things like that.
[06:56] <HiDeHo> i dont understand what scripts you mean
[06:57] <pangolin> then don't worry bout it :)
[06:57] <pangolin> if you don't know you aren't using any
[06:57] <HiDeHo> well some peopel have there irc client such as xchat wet with an away message
[06:57] <HiDeHo> * xchat set
[06:58] <HiDeHo> maybe i am withoug knowing the terms
[06:58] <Jordan_U> HiDeHo: Using "/away Back in a few minutes" or similar should not cause any visible message in any channels in most clients by default. As long as it doesn't spam the channel in some way, it's fine.
[06:59] <HiDeHo> ok well i always appreciate a contact first pm email etc to explain things to me so i know whats up before bans etc
[06:59] <HiDeHo> i dotn get it when i use /awau be back soon it shows to others in a channel for me
[06:59] <bazhang> email?
[07:00] <HiDeHo> ops have accesss
[07:00] <bazhang> no we dont
[07:01] <Jordan_U> We are not Freenode staff (and I'm not sure if even most of them have access to email addresses that are hidden).
[07:01] <pangolin> I think freenode staff do but I am not sure about that
[07:01] <Jordan_U> Well, some of the Ubuntu ops are Freenode staff, but most aren't, and I certainly am not :)
[07:01] <bazhang> it's moot, knowing the channel guidelines is enough.
[07:02] <Jordan_U> HiDeHo: For minor things, and when dealing with users that don't have a history of causing problems, we do give warnings before a removal or ban. We will use reasonable discression though, and some things will get you banned without warning. If you follow the channel guidelines you should be fine.
[07:07] <pangolin> HiDeHo: if there is nothing else please part this channel.
[07:12] <HiDeHo> ok
[07:12] <HiDeHo> thanks
[09:07] <Silverlion> ldunn ;) hi there
[09:26] <ldunn> hullo
[11:59] <LjL> ikonia: tbh i don't see how telling someone how to reset their router in one line is detrimental to the channel...
[12:00] <ikonia> it's not
[12:00] <ikonia> but it's also nothing to do with ubuntu, do one, you have to then (well, set a standard) that you do others
[12:02] <LjL> ikonia: i would like to see a little bit more flexibility around here. you're very strict about things, to the point that you tell users who simply ask for a channel that we're not a phone directory... (about that, maybe you forget that #ubuntu is joined by default by Ubuntu clients, and how are people supposed to know better). in the same vein, i don't see how giving a single support answer to a router question can be worse than telling someone where a
[12:02] <LjL> channel is, or reminding them of the rules, all of which are technically offtopic.
[12:02] <ikonia> LjL: to be honest, yes I do
[12:03] <ikonia> if you join a channel and start saying "where is the channel to talk about the hurd"
[12:03] <ikonia> what's the point ?
[12:03] <ikonia> we are not here to be a channel re-direction service
[12:03] <ikonia> the whole point of the channel is ubuntu support, I don't believe we should be helping people hack their router (or reset their password) helping users find random channels that are nothing to do with the project
[12:03] <ikonia> that's what #freenode is for, #defocus channels like that
[12:04] <LjL> ikonia: then tell the developers to make the IRC clients stop joining #ubuntu by default.
[12:04] <ikonia> may as well make the channel Ubuntus channel for generic help and IRC guidence
[12:04] <ikonia> LjL: an interesting suggestion with pros/cons
[12:05] <LjL> in my opinion you just end up getting decent helpers frustrated by shouting at them that they can't do this and can't do that.
[12:05] <ikonia> there is just a guy asking "how do I hack my router"
[12:05] <ikonia> there is no decent helper helping
[12:05] <ikonia> I see what you are saying, but then lets drop the topic and just have it as Ubuntus generic help channel
[12:05] <ikonia> as you can't help one guy crack his router, and then say to another guy "no sorry, no here"
[12:07] <LjL> ikonia: feel free to tell the guy asking "how do I hack my router" that it's not appropriate here, but there *was* someone decently and helpfully telling him how he could reset his password, and you told them off.
[12:07] <ikonia> LjL: because that said guy constantly offers non-ubuntu help (hence why said I've asked you before)
[12:07] <LjL> seriously, i often give short offtopic suggestions usually followed with a "but the right channel for that would be ##whatever"
[12:08] <ikonia> that user is welcome to pm him and help him after I made it clear it wasn't in the channel
[12:08] <LjL> i'm not going to stop doing that
[12:08] <ikonia> I don't expect you to do that
[12:08] <ikonia> pointing someone in the right direction is different to "let me walk you through it"
[12:58] <ikonia> !wtf > Pharaoh
[12:59] <Silverlion> ikonia: ???
[13:00] <ikonia> I'm asking ubottu to send a private message to the user Pharaoh
[13:01] <Silverlion> !wtf > Silverlion
[13:04] <Silverlion> ah ok, got it ^^
 NyLes: have u ever compiled nv drivers?
[14:17] <bazhang> does that seem prudent?
[14:19] <Silverlion> bazhang: what does prudent mean?
[14:20] <bazhang> wise/ a good choice etc
[14:21] <Silverlion> bazhang: i have read the logs of ubuntu. honestly i would have asked the same question to know how much NyLes knows about the topic
[14:21] <bazhang> exactly Silverlion , he's a very new user
[14:22] <Silverlion> bazhang: which is totally ok for me
[14:22] <Silverlion> i do ask the persons such questions myself to know how simple i have to explain things
[14:43] <bazhang> from Austria.  heh
[14:52] <bazhang> odd the -meta has not marked a question for a good long while now
[14:53] <bazhang> LjL, is that predicated on there being a ? in the question?
[14:53] <LjL> bazhang: no, the ? is not necessary
[14:53] <LjL> it helps though
[14:53] <bazhang> ok
[14:54] <LjL> bazhang: but remember it doesn't show questions that were answered within 3 minutes
[14:54] <AlanBell> does answered mean someone spoke to the questioner by name?
[14:55] <LjL> AlanBell: yes, unless the answer is detected to be another question
[14:57] <AlanBell> clever
[14:57] <LjL> if you want ALL THE QUESTIONS, they can be seen in #metabot
[14:57] <ikonia> LjL: did you write this from scratch ?
[14:58] <LjL> ikonia: yes, but i used "ifile", a bayesian classifier, to do the actual work
[16:27] <bazhang> sidney_ claims not to have a sources.list
[16:27] <ikonia> he is telling lies or has deleted it
[16:28] <bazhang> no response to asking what version returns
[16:28] <ikonia> http://paste.debian.net/157064
[16:29] <ikonia> that's his sources.list
[16:30] <ikonia> I'm sure you can see why he's not keen to answer your questions
[16:30] <bazhang> ooh nice catch from #debian
[16:30] <bazhang> no idea why they would crosspost from there
[16:30] <ikonia> because he didn't get it fixed
[16:31] <ikonia> so is now asking in another channel as people where getting fed up with him in #debian
[16:31] <bazhang> hah
[16:38] <bazhang> * RenatoSilva (~nouser@186.205.136.92
[16:38] <bazhang> he's got a history of being very brusque such as that
[16:39] <ikonia> just forward him here and have a chat with him
[16:39] <ikonia> it's common for people to "have to go" and /part after making that sort of comment
[16:39] <bazhang> yep
[17:34] <mneptok> https://faculty.up.edu/ainan/PalindromeDay21022012.pdf
[17:35] <Pici> never odd or even
[17:36] <popey> \o/ correct date format
[17:50] <jrib> there's no 21st month, I'm so confused
[20:51] <UdontKnow> hi, we have a troll in #ubuntu-br, can someone take a moment to talk to Thrun or just ban him please?
[20:54] <oCean> UdontKnow: we don't handle loco channels. Try #ubuntu-irc
[20:54] <UdontKnow> ah, k
[20:54] <UdontKnow> oCean: thanks for the tip
[20:54] <oCean> unless there's a -br-ops, but I don't think so
[21:41] <LjL> of course the one saying "don't feed the troll" is the one who fed them in the first place
[22:45] <Myrtti> so which channel can we point these people to?
[22:46] <Myrtti> #ubuntu-phone?
[22:46] <Myrtti> popey ^
[22:48] <popey> sure ☺
[22:49] <Myrtti> discuss
[22:50] <Myrtti> is there any better place?
[23:08]  * popey shrugs
[23:08] <popey> its _not_ Ubuntu Phone
[23:08] <popey> I dont think there is a _good_ place for it
[23:10] <AlanBell> taipei
[23:32] <LjL> will bazhang want them?
[23:48] <gord> #ubuntu-on-a-phone
[23:48] <gord> #ubuntu-on-a-phone-kinda
[23:54] <popey> #ubuntu-not-ubuntu-phone-but-ubuntu-on-a-phone
[23:57] <elky> heh
[23:57] <elky> #ubuntu-whatever-nobody-reads-topics-anyway