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[02:43] <lifeless> hallyn: around? mountall barfing again for me in lucid-lxc
[02:43] <lifeless> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/mountall_2.15.3_i386.deb (--unpack):
[02:43] <lifeless>  unable to make backup link of `./lib/init/fstab' before installing new version: Invalid cross-device link
[02:49] <twb> Urk
[02:49] <twb> lifeless: what's your /proc/mounts look like
[02:49] <twb> pref. both inside and outside the container
[02:50] <lifeless> twb: http://paste.ubuntu.com/850850/
[02:51] <lifeless> in, then out
[02:51] <twb> Hm, btrfs has a limit on ~30 hard links in one dir, this causes problems for at least git package upgrades...
[02:52] <twb> Where is it backing up lib/init/fstab *to*?
[02:52] <twb> It's dpkg doing it, right?  We are not talking about the postinst
[02:53] <lifeless> I assume so
[02:53] <lifeless> Unpacking replacement mountall ...
[02:53] <lifeless> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/mountall_2.15.3_i386.deb (--unpack):
[02:53] <lifeless>  unable to make backup link of `./lib/init/fstab' before installing new version: Invalid cross-device link
[02:53] <lifeless> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:53] <lifeless> ls -l /lib/init/fstab
[02:53] <lifeless> -rw-r--r-- 0 root root 444 2011-08-11 18:27 /lib/init/fstab
[02:54] <lifeless> stat /lib/init/fstab
[02:54] <lifeless> ..
[02:54] <lifeless> Device: fc07h/64519d    Inode: 87044329    Links: 0
[02:54] <lifeless> regular file
[03:01] <twb> Is that saying it has 0 hard links ot 444 hard links?
[03:01] <twb> That's weird, the 0 should be a 1
[03:02] <twb> On my debian 2.6.32 system running btrfs, /etc/fstab for example has a 1 in that column, indicating one instance of the inode on the filesystem.  If it was hard-linked it'd say "2", but why would it ever say 0
[03:09] <patdk-lap> in what column?
[03:12] <twb> After the DAC, second column
[03:12] <lifeless> twb: 0 links
[03:13] <twb> It can't have 0 links
[03:13] <lifeless> twb: I'm not running btrfs :P
[03:13] <twb> If you just touch a file, that file has a link
[03:13] <lifeless> indeed
[03:13] <lifeless> just reporting what is there ;)
[03:14] <patdk-lap> what if it's a deleted file?
[03:14] <twb> patdk-lap: in that case maybe
[03:14] <patdk-lap> since btrfs doesn't really delete a file
[03:15] <twb> But if it's deleted it won't appear in the dirent
[03:15] <lifeless> what does btrfs have to do with it ?
[03:15] <patdk-lap> dunno, twb said running btrfs
[03:15] <twb> lifeless: I am just doing a knee-jerk reaction to btrfs + hard links
[03:15] <lifeless> sure, but I'm running ext4....
[03:15] <twb> That's not what the paste said
[03:16] <lifeless> thats /dev/sde-1
[03:16] <twb> Oh, /media/tb1-2 only, never mind all the noise
[03:16] <lifeless> my external drive with a copy of archive.u.c on it
[03:16] <twb> The 0 links is still very odd tho
[03:16] <lifeless> yup
[03:16] <twb> ohhhh
[03:17] <twb> it's a file bind mount or something -- look at line 14
[03:17] <twb> That's fucking WEIRD
[03:17] <lifeless> yeah
[03:17] <BuenGenio> hello
[03:17] <BuenGenio> after log rotation apache for some reason will stop writing to the new log file, until I do a manual restart (service apache2 restart)
[03:17] <twb> I've never seen that before
[03:17] <BuenGenio> any idea?
[03:17] <twb> BuenGenio: logrotate is supposed to tell apache to reload
[03:18] <twb> BuenGenio: if that doesn't happen automatically your logrotate <--> apache interaction is broken
[03:19] <twb> BuenGenio: this is because apache opens the log file and keeps writing to it forever, so after rotation it is still writing to the rotated file; with most daemons (dunno about apache) you send it a HUP which tells it to close and reopen the log file based on path, i.e. it opens the new log file
[03:21] <FainaUkraina> sorry got disconnected
[03:22] <FainaUkraina> so is it an Ubuntu thing with logrotate?
[03:22] <twb> FainaUkraina: no it's a unix-wide thing, everything that rotates logs needs to do this
[03:23] <twb> http://paste.debian.net/156995/
[03:23] <FainaUkraina> yes, I understood it needs a HUP, but why does ubuntu not send it?
[03:23] <twb> It should
[03:23] <twb> Presumably you broke it somehow
[03:58] <qman___> yeah, apache has proper log rotation in a default install
[03:58] <qman___> it should 'just work' unless you go and change it
[05:53] <funkysmell> hello. I have access to ubuntu server, but only via ssh. I have sudo access. I need to change the proxy settings on the server so I can use wget. any help would be awesome
[05:54] <funkysmell> where wold i find the proxy details?
[05:57] <twb> funkysmell: http_proxy=http://proxy:8080/
[05:58] <twb> CLI tools usually honour that environment variable; e.g. w3m, curl, wget do.  Most GUI browser do not, because they have stupid fat heads.
[05:58] <twb> As with other environment variables, you need to either put it in front of the command you want to run, or export it.
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[06:17] <funkysmell> twb: Cheers, I'll try it an let you know
[07:58] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #930252 in squid3 (main) "squid3 crashed with SIGABRT in fatal_dump()" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/930252
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[08:16] <koolhead17> hi all
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[09:08] <iclebyte> where could I grab the source code for the version of 'login' installed on ubuntu 10.04lts ?
[09:16] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #937613 in openldap (main) "Segmentation fault in libc" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/937613
[09:50] <kai> iclebyte: apt-get source login ? or somesuch
[10:13] <RoyK> iclebyte: use dpkg -S to find the package containing the binary and then apt-get source to grab the source code
[10:21] <iclebyte> i got it thanks.
[10:22] <iclebyte> is it possible to lock telnet down to only specific users?
[10:22] <iclebyte> in.telnetd
[10:22] <larsemil> Fatal: device-mapper: mapped boot device cannot be on multiple real devices
[10:22] <larsemil> what to do ^^
[10:22] <larsemil> that is when running depmod
[10:33] <rbasak> jamespage: I've just written a tool that recurses down reverse build depenencies. The transition is now 206 packages.
[10:34] <jamespage> rbasak, 206?
[10:34] <rbasak> jamespage: maybe I've made a mistake
[10:34] <jamespage> rbasak, hrm - maybe
[10:34] <jamespage> that sounds huge
[10:35] <lynxman> morning o/
[10:36] <eutheria> is /var/backup for general purpose use?
[10:44] <TeTeT> after upgrading from 10.04 to Precise, the vm's managed through libvirt are gone. Do the config files need to be changed?
[10:48] <smb> TeTeT, which part was upgraded the VM host or the machine running them? And what VM type KVM or Xen?
[10:50] <TeTeT> smb: the host was upgraded, kvm in use
[10:51] <TeTeT> more details: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/851214/
[10:52] <rbasak> jamespage: does this look reasonable? http://paste.ubuntu.com/851215/
[10:53] <smb> TeTeT, Ok, not sure where managed instances are saved in the KVM case. Though the virsh list seems to show some, but I guess those you did re-create?
[10:54] <smb> TeTeT, Oh, actually I guess they should be in qemu dir you listed... :-P
[10:54] <jamespage> rbasak, it looks like to much
[10:55] <smb> TeTeT, Let me check something on a local machine...
[10:55] <jamespage> we only need to transition packages that actually depend on libopenmpiXX
[10:55] <TeTeT> smb: yes, I created a few new ones
[10:56] <smb> TeTeT, Could you pastebin (or put onto chinstrap) one of the non-working configs?
[10:58] <TeTeT> smb: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/851226/
[11:02] <smb> TeTeT, Hm, ok. Odd. At least looking quickly the format seems still the same here. Would there be anything interesting in /var/log/libvirt/libvirtd.log?
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[11:04] <TeTeT> smb: full of this error type: 2012-02-20 07:58:57.850+0000: 1278: error : virDomainDefParseXML:7542 : unsupported configuration: Only the first console can be a serial por
[11:06] <smb> TeTeT, Hm, at least there seems to be the console section listed twice in the xml you pasted...
[11:06] <TeTeT> smb: seems the console has been changed
[11:06] <tjaalton> zul: hey, are you planning to merge samba from debian, 3.6.2 seems to include a bunch of bugfixes (.3 just one CVE)
[11:07] <TeTeT> smb: yep, the old vms use two time console, the new one serial and console
[11:08] <smb> TeTeT, ok that probably should be handled more gracefully on upgrade... I guess when you can verify that changing one of those to serial does fix it to be displayed this could be considered a bug in the upgrade...
[11:11] <TeTeT> smb: worked for one vm so far, haven't changed the others
[11:13] <smb> TeTeT, Ok, well have not heard about it yet. MAybe needs a bug still. Btu I try to remember to bring it up in the meeting today. If there is nothing coming up before
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[11:13] <TeTeT> smb: but is filed, bug 931350, strangely I did not get bug emails from it
[11:13] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 931350 in libvirt "vms missing after upgrade from Lucid to Precise" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/931350
[11:15] <smb> TeTeT, Weird indeed...
[11:16]  * smb has to physically transfer his entity... (->afk)
[11:19] <lx-berlin> hi, anyone here? I have a ubuntu software RAID 1. I just booted the computer and everything was fine. Then i did a "sudo apt-get update" and then "sudo shutdown -r now". After the restart mdadm started a rebuild. This is not normal, right?
[11:44] <eutheria> i am struggling to load my system to generate a pgp key
[11:45] <eutheria> i wonder if it is because it is a vm
[11:46] <patdk-lap> well, you need random data
[11:46] <patdk-lap> and vm's have less random data
[11:47] <patdk-lap> cause more interrupts and other things, network traffi, ...
[11:47] <eutheria> would running stress help?
[11:47] <patdk-lap> dunno
[11:47] <eutheria> it hits the cpu and disk
[11:48] <eutheria> oh why didn't i generate it on the host
[11:48] <patdk-lap> rng-tools is the quik method
[11:52] <eutheria> well the rngtest seems to help
[11:54] <eutheria> oh weird the number went down then up
[12:08] <eutheria> wow that was difficult
[12:48] <zul> tjaalton: it would hvae been done yesterday but i was on holiday ill get to it today but its assigned to someone else
[13:00] <tjaalton> zul: cool, nice to hear (just happened to bump into the relnotes of 3.6.2, that's all)
[13:10] <jamespage> hallyn, utlemming - really like the ubuntu-cloud lxc template - works really nicely
[14:16] <husien> hello guys.. i'm trying to intall ubuntu server 11.10 into my VmWare workstation8. and i got tis --->> Warning :file:///cdrom/pool/main/v/vim/vim-tiny_7.3.154+hg~74503f6ee649-2ubuntu3_i386.deb was corrupt
[14:16] <husien> Warning :couldn't download package vim-tiny (ver 2:7.3.154 +hg~74503f6ee649-2ubuntu3 arc i386
[14:17] <husien> redownload the ubuntu server 11.10 and burn the iso with 3 diffrent software. still got the same problem.. ermmmmm...
[14:17] <pmatulis> hmm, just upgraded a lucid server and the language pack for Firefox was brought in...
[14:18] <zul> Daviey: hey did you have a look at the merge yet?
[14:19] <koolhead17> husien: can you do md5 checksum for the ISO integrity?
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[14:22] <koolhead17> husien: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto  this doc will help you :)
[14:28] <eutheria> what would be the 'best' way to backup a mysql server?
[14:31] <koolhead17> eutheria: backup as in?
[14:32] <eutheria> well i was just going to mysqldump it all
[14:33] <eutheria> but i just thought i would ask the question and see if someone said, the magic tool that gives all options is
[14:33] <koolhead17> eutheria: i would use mysqldump too :
[14:47] <husien> i using winMd5sum to cheksum the Iso..  MD5SUM-->>881d188cb1ca5fb18e3d9132275dceda compare 881d188cb1ca5fb18e3d9132275dceda the result is same..
[14:51] <koolhead17> husien: where did you get  881d188cb1ca5fb18e3d9132275dceda ? From the ubuntu download page?
[14:52] <eutheria> koolhead17, i found a package that does some mysql back automation, i will see if it is any good
[14:52] <husien> http://releases.ubuntu.com/oneiric/MD5SUMS
[14:53] <koolhead17> eutheria: what is it called. i am curious too :)
[14:53] <eutheria> automysqlbackup
[14:54] <eutheria> it isn't doing much, but i just wanted something that i could do an apt-get install on and have backups done quickly
[14:54] <geekbri> I seem to be having an issue where a user with a nonstandard home directory in 10.10 isn't reading properly from .bashrc or .profile.  Anybody have any experience with this issue?  I tried setting JAVA_HOME in both of those and it is always blank when i sudo -i -u user or su - username.  If i set the JAVA_HOME once I am logged in as the user it works fine...
[14:54] <RoyK> eutheria: mysqldump > some-file, backup that file
[14:55] <koolhead17> husien: how about installing the package from repository, incase you have internet access on the VM once installed?
[14:55] <eutheria> RoyK, more like dbs = `mysql -e 'show databases` for db in dbs: mysqldump --opt --rountines etc etc
[14:56] <RoyK> eutheria: or --all-databases ...
[14:56] <RoyK> eutheria: I never specified opts - that's up to you ;)
[14:56] <eutheria> RoyK, i like to have a .sql file of each db,
[14:56] <eutheria> i just wanted something that would do that for me
[14:57] <eutheria> i've written that backup script so many times and forgot about it so many times :)
[14:57] <RoyK> it takes like two minutes to write that shell script...
[14:57] <eutheria> takes 10 seconds to apt-get install autobackupmysql
[14:57] <RoyK> heh - use a private source repository
[14:58] <RoyK> eutheria: plus the time to find it plus the time to configure it?
[14:58] <eutheria> configured out the box
[14:58] <eutheria> i know it know so done :)
[14:58] <eutheria> err now
[14:58]  * RoyK mutters something about laziness
[14:58] <eutheria> all good programmers are lazy
[14:59] <RoyK> eutheria: and all operations personel like to be in control
[15:00] <eutheria> i have things to do :)
[15:01] <eutheria> this is why i have a pfsense firewall these days and not iptables
[15:01] <eutheria> i went nuts and it is virtual pfsense firewall
[15:01] <husien> koolhead17: now i know what the problem.. its my VmWare..!!! damn.. lol :) .. ok i going to reinstall this first and reboot my pc... big thanks koolhead17...
[15:01] <koolhead17> hi robbiew
[15:01] <eutheria> ubuntu is my ldap/dns and db servers
[15:01] <robbiew> hey koolhead17
[15:01] <koolhead17> husien: your welcome :)
[15:02] <koolhead17> eutheria: whats final verdict then :D
[15:02] <Daviey> zul: not as yet, can you resend me the details pls?
[15:02] <eutheria> koolhead17, well it seems to do a good job, you get a daily, weekly and monthly folders
[15:03] <eutheria> ok i am going a little nuts using duplicity to make a backup of this data on top
[15:03] <zul> Daviey: sure lp:~ubuntu-server-dev/{nova,keystone}/debian-merge
[15:03] <eutheria> but i think what i will do with duplicity is have only 1 weeks worth of backups
[15:04] <Daviey> ta
[15:04] <eutheria> and this way i have 1 months worth of mysql dumps
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[15:46] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #937869 in mysql-dfsg-5.1 (universe) "5.1.x security update tracking bug" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/937869
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[16:33] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #932466 in glance "glance db migrations deadlock against precise mysql server" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/932466
[16:39] <smoser> Daviey, re bug 924375, i think i'm waiting on something from maas team on what i'm supposed to take in.
[16:39] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 924375 in cloud-init "cloud-init should allow pre-seeding of ec2 datasource:Ec2:metadata_urls" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/924375
[16:39] <smoser> pre-seeding ec2 data source might be generally useful, but wouldn't be used.
[16:40] <smoser> the maas one is what is important (and there is nothing for maas now).
[16:46] <Daviey> smoser: just a url?
[16:46] <smoser> maas will need cloud-init to do oath i think
[16:46] <Daviey> a fully qualified url, not wildcard?
[16:46] <Daviey> smoser: oh, bollox
[16:46] <Daviey> smoser: ok, let me get back to you.
[16:48] <jMCg> Hey folks, I'm failing to build the latest qemu-kvm package (deb-src from precise) on oneiric: http://dpaste.com/706381/ -- anyone know a good reason why this is failing -- or the right channel to ask this?
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[16:51] <jMCg> w00t. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList?highlight=%28CategoryIRC%29 >> I guess #ubuntu-packaging
[16:54] <hallyn> jMCg: did you 'debian/rules build' first?  looks like the configure step wasn't done, so i suspect not
[16:54] <smb> SpamapS, Daviey About that CEPH thing: nobody from the kernel team had been aware. And given its feature freeze by now there probably needs to be a very good argument to get anything done, if it is required.
[16:55] <jMCg> hallyn: ACK.
[16:55] <SpamapS> smb: no changes are needed
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[16:56] <SpamapS> smb: the large xattr stuff is an optimization
[16:56] <smb> SpamapS, Ah, ok. Leann is crafting an email to clearify things. But it sounds as those then get at least postponed
[16:56] <SpamapS> smb: the better optimization is to just use BTRFS, which is what upstream recommends.
[16:57] <SpamapS> smb: yeah, lets make sure it gets on the TODO for precise+1
[16:57] <smb> SpamapS, And assigned to something that we are aware off :)
[17:04] <BrixSat> hello i have seted up debian on a hp server with raid1 by software and after all the install i dont get grub :( (no boot at all)
[17:04] <BrixSat> *ubuntu 64bits :)
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[17:37] <koolhead17> so new version of apache server releases :)
[17:44] <goddard> how can you test the connection speed of your server?
[17:44] <goddard> realiably :D
[17:44] <goddard> if they say you have a 100Mbit connection when can you call them a liar ?
[17:49] <andol> goddard: Well, first of all they really have to define to at what point they promise 100Mbit...
[17:51] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #937987 in squid3 (main) "squid is loosing cache data when restarting" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/937987
[18:04] <goddard> andol: well first i have to test the speed because that is the funnest part
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[18:15] <SpamapS> utlemming: hey are you aware of issues with the precise cloud images?
[18:15] <SpamapS> utlemming:  libc6-xen : PreDepends: libc6 (= 2.13-24ubuntu4) but 2.15-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[18:16] <SpamapS> utlemming: looks like they maybe got created half-way through a glibc update?
[18:16] <utlemming> Spamaps: No, this is the first that I've seen of it.
[18:17]  * utlemming looks
[18:17] <utlemming> SpamapS: are you using yesterday's image or todays?
[18:18] <SpamapS> utlemming: checking
[18:18] <SpamapS> ami-5b4f9e32
[18:19] <SpamapS> in us-east-1
[18:20] <utlemming> that's the alhpa2 release image
[18:20] <SpamapS> interesting
[18:20] <utlemming> SpamapS: do you have a bug number on that?
[18:20] <SpamapS> we use http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/query/ in juju ..
[18:21] <SpamapS> utlemming: yes it was reported in juju first.. hang on
[18:21] <utlemming> what is the full query string that you're using?
[18:23] <SpamapS> utlemming: looking that up
[18:23] <SpamapS> utlemming: I think it might be released.. which would explain the issue
[18:23] <utlemming> SpamapS: ack
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[18:24] <utlemming> SpamapS: that's what I am thinking
[18:24] <SpamapS> utlemming: is the alpha2 image known to be totally broken?
[18:24] <utlemming> SpamapS: not that I've seen
[18:25] <utlemming> what is the JuJu bug so I can get some context here
[18:25] <SpamapS> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/937889
[18:25] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 937889 in juju "Hang on "juju status" with EC2 and Precise" [Undecided,New]
[18:26] <utlemming> SpamapS: logs?
[18:27] <SpamapS> utlemming: I've got an affected instance up
[18:28] <SpamapS> utlemming: imported your key on the instance I just msg'd you
[18:34] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #937941 in puppet (main) "Upstream have withdrawn 2.7.10 due to several regressions" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/937941
[18:47] <utlemming> SpamapS: this looks like a problem with an interactive dialog that is triggered with an update/installation. I'm testing a fix right now
[18:51] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #938047 in mysql-5.1 (universe) "package mysql-server-5.1 5.1.54-1ubuntu4 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/938047
[18:51] <sdferfx> Hello. I am trying to use Ubuntu AMIs to install Ubuntu 11.10, but I want to attach to my own EBS device. Can this happen? If not, how do I manually specify an ISO to EC2 for install?
[18:52] <Zermanno> Hi, i'm using top but i can't understand which time unit it use in the TIME column, are they seconds?
[18:55] <sdferfx> Zermanno, use htop
[18:55] <Zermanno> sdferfx, done! thanks!
[18:56] <patdk-wk> Zermanno, TIME+ is Min:Sec.secdecimals
[18:56] <Zermanno> tnx
[18:56]  * patdk-wk notes top and htop do the same
[18:57] <sdferfx> Yeah, htop wouldn't solve that question, it's just a lot better ;)
[18:57] <patdk-wk> prstat :)
[19:14] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #938044 in freeradius (main) "Unable to listen on IPv6" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/938044
[19:14] <SpamapS> utlemming: hm I wonder if install_packages installs recommends
[19:14]  * utlemming checks
[19:15] <Jeeves_> Sorry about #938044
[19:15] <Jeeves_> My bad :)
[19:20] <utlemming> SpamapS: the default for cloud images is to install recommends, but not suggests
[19:22] <SpamapS> utlemming: ok so that will be the same behavior.
[19:23] <SpamapS> utlemming: fix pending, looks pretty simple to change. :)
[19:23] <SpamapS> Heh. have to change 6 lines of code, and 10 tests
[19:24] <utlemming> SpamapS: a nice side effect is a faster boot...it looks like it'll shave two or three minutes off
[19:29] <SpamapS> utlemming: what will?
[19:29] <utlemming> SpamapS: consolidating the install of juju into the other packages list
[19:30] <SpamapS> utlemming: I want to believe you, but 2 - 3 minutes sounds extreme!
[19:30] <SpamapS> utlemming: is that because it happens in parallel with other stuff?
[19:31] <utlemming> I'm not sure...but in testing the fix, it was done quicker. Perhaps it was just me, but it was at least a minute or two.
[19:31] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #938078 in apache2 (main) "Problems with mod_rewrite since updating to 2.2.14-5ubuntu8.8 " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/938078
[19:37] <SpamapS> utlemming: Alright, fix proposed. :)
[19:44] <zul> Daviey/rbasak: the nova console patch has been re-enabled
[20:02] <rbasak> zul: awesome - thanks!
[20:04] <Daviey> zul: cool
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[20:21] <RoyK> !xen
[20:21] <ubottu> XEN is a virtual machine monitor for x86 that supports execution of multiple guest operating systems with unprecedented levels of performance and resource isolation. Information on installing it for Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Xen
[20:22] <jfbouchard> Hello, I have an issue with Ubuntu 10.04 + a guess Windows XP 32 bits in KVM. Install goes fine but when I start the OS, I get a nice black screen and the CPU goes to 100%
[20:22] <jfbouchard> After research online, there is a lot of occurance of this. Note that I don't find any valid error message. any idea ?
[20:24] <cyberdyn> can anyone point me to some docs or offer some suggestions on how to troubleshoot why my ubuntu 11.10 server (new install) isn't sending mail? / I've installed exim according to linode docs..: http://library.linode.com/email/exim/send-only-mta-ubuntu-11.04-natty
[20:25] <cyberdyn> i try to send mail with echo "This is a test." | mail -s Testing address@domain.com / and it doesn't get delivered.
[20:30] <RoyK> that xen article needs some cleanup...
[20:40] <stgraber> hallyn, jjohansen: Do you have an ETA for the new kernel/apparmor fixing the current LXC issues? I was trying to figure out a way of dealing with locales in containers and noticed that localegen seems to be blocked by apparmor here for no good reason
[20:41] <jjohansen> stgraber: I am going to send the pull request today
[20:42] <jjohansen> stgraber: I can build you a kernel with it if you would like, it will probably take a day or two to land
[20:43] <stgraber> jjohansen: I can wait for it to land if we're so close to having it in. I started deploying LXC on more and more of my servers and so far localegen and udev upgrades are the only two cases where I noticed the issue and I have workarounds for both
[20:44] <jjohansen> stgraber: okay, but if you change your mind just ping me
[20:44] <stgraber> hallyn: btw, the easiest way to deal with locales will probably be to do "chroot $ROOTFS /usr/share/locales/install-language-pack $LANG"
[20:45] <stgraber> hallyn: and probably messing with /etc/default/locale a little too (well, copying it should be the easiest)
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[20:51] <hallyn> stgraber: heh, thanks, pinging jjohansen was on my todo list
[20:52] <hallyn> stgraber: ok, let me know if you want me to touch the locale stuff, else i'm assuming you'll do it if you feel it's needed
[20:53] <stgraber> hallyn: I'm not 100% sure it'll be needed yet, apparmor preventing localegen might be preventing it from just working. Anyway I'm getting error messages every time I login over ssh, so that's a good reminder that I need to deal with it ;)
[21:06] <lifeless> hallyn: hey, did you see my issue with mountall in backscroll ?
[21:06] <lifeless> hallyn: should I file a bug ?
[21:07] <hallyn> lifeless: i id not
[21:08] <hallyn> lifeless: I think that's basically un-fixable for lucid;  fixed for precise.
[21:08] <hallyn> stgraber may have a bug (fix released) that that's a dup of, even.
[21:08] <lifeless> hallyn: so, while I need a lucid lxc, I'm boned ?
[21:09] <lifeless> hallyn: (my host is precise)
[21:09] <hallyn> you can work around it, but we can't just make it work with no extra work
[21:09] <hallyn> simplest workarounds: (a) do it in kvm;  (b) just umount /lib/init/fstab before doing the upgrade
[21:10] <lifeless> b works for me ;)
[21:10] <hallyn> it's very unfortunte
[21:10] <hallyn> similar bugs happen when an upgrade tries to create /dev/console or somesuch
[21:10] <stgraber> lifeless: yeah, if you try to upgrade mountall, udev or makedev in a container your update will crash
[21:11] <stgraber> lifeless: for mountall, unmounting /lib/fstab is enough, for udev/makedev, the easiest is to shutdown the container, then chroot into it and upgrade, then boot the container again
[21:11] <stgraber> all of these are fixed in Precise but need changes inside the container that we can't really sru/backport
[21:14] <lifeless> thabks
[21:15] <hallyn> stgraber: it's not purty, but i've got about 6 pages of pdf (latex source) for a start to the lxc server guide.  let me know if you care to look over it, else i'll assume you'd rather gauge your eyes out (and not be offended).
[21:18] <stgraber> hallyn: sure I can certainly find some time to look at it
[21:19] <hallyn> ok, thanks.  just trying to decide how much to say about libvirt-lxc
[21:30] <hallyn> stgraber: hm, maybe it's too early to get feedback.  But http://people.canonical.com/~serge/lxc.serverguide.pdf
[21:34] <rbasak> hallyn: mind if I take a look? I've been setting up a precise server with lxc :)
[21:34] <hallyn> rbasak: absolutely!
[21:35] <rbasak> thanks!
[21:35] <hallyn> rbasak: if you want the latex source to make notes in, it's at http://people.canonical.com/~serge/lxc.serverguide.tex
[21:36] <rbasak> thank you!
[21:37] <hallyn> (jsut re-synced it;  i won't push to there again for now in the hopes of keeping your copies in sync :)
[21:39] <hallyn> (note - Daviey said he had someone who was going to polish it later, so i'm just trying to get all the content in and accurate, nto going for polish or eloquence)
[21:40] <rbasak> hallyn: so I had a possible issue yesterday - I have a btrfs root, but lxc-create -ing new containers seems to use space every time. Is this expected?
[21:41] <hallyn> as in, full rootfs space?
[21:41] <rbasak> yes
[21:42] <hallyn> not expected, unless btrfs strangely reports
[21:42] <hallyn> what does 'btrfs subvolume list' show?
[21:42] <hallyn> (or whatever command shows subvolume info)
[21:43] <hallyn> (note smoser coded and tested it so he might be better able to answer;  but it sounds wrong to me)
[21:43] <rbasak> that does suggest that it's working
[21:44] <hallyn> rbasak: no wait
[21:44] <rbasak> but my available space goes down by 300 megs each time
[21:44] <hallyn> no, no, no.  i don't know if i dropped a piece of smoser's work, but that is just not done right
[21:45] <hallyn> it creates teh btrfs subvolume, then still calls the lxc-ubuntu template to populate it with rsync
[21:45] <rbasak> that would explain what I'm seeing
[21:45] <hallyn> hm, though rsycn should see the same dates and leave the data alone
[21:46] <stgraber> hallyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/851895/
[21:47] <hallyn> stgraber: thanks
[21:47] <rbasak> "For rapid provisioning, you may wish to customize a “canonical” container..." -- I like what you did there :-)
[21:47] <hallyn> i wanted to slap myself, but it's the right word to use there :)
[21:48] <stgraber> hallyn: I guess we can also mention the crazy architecture simulation stuff somewhere in there as an advanced feature ;)
[21:48] <hallyn> stgraber: hm, yeah
[21:48] <hallyn> at least, just mention --arch for creation
[21:49] <hallyn> hopefully it all works smoothly enough that we don't need to say any more about how it works
[21:49] <hallyn> (if we wanted to write a LISA paper, it'd be a cool section to add)
[21:49] <stgraber> hallyn: yeah, mentioning -a would be good and mentioning that if qemu-user-static is installed, then any supported architecture should work whatever your CPU actually is
[21:50] <hallyn> ok
[21:50] <rbasak> I haven't tried that feature yet but I think it'll be really useful for me. Thanks for that!
[21:50] <hallyn> at some point i'll add the other templates (and their limitations) as well.  but not this week probably
[21:54] <rbasak> hallyn: the documentation is great - thanks for that.
[21:55] <rbasak> hallyn: for networking, I'm interested in also connecting lxc to a bridge that I manage, and separately I wonder if I can get an lxc machine to share the same ethernet interface as the host? So that they can bind to different ports but on the same IP.
[21:56] <hallyn> (i've been typing so much on obsucre commands i rarely use that i forget what is actually in there, but) i do want how to use an existing bridge to be covered in teh guide...
[21:56] <rbasak> hallyn: lxc-start surprised me by grabbing my terminal; I expected it to daemonize (like virsh start does). This is a pain because I then had to look up the command to stop it in a separate terminal. Might be worth documenting
[21:56] <hallyn> different ports on same ip, that's not doable
[21:56] <rbasak> Understood :-(
[21:57] <hallyn> d'oh, yes, -d was on my list.  i must have deleted accidentally
[21:57] <hallyn> well, no, wait
[21:57] <hallyn> you *can* do that,
[21:57] <hallyn> just don't give the container a network definition at all, and it will share the host's network.
[21:57] <hallyn> i.e. leave out the 'lxc.network.type=veth' part of the config file
[21:57] <rbasak> oooh, awesome, thanks!
[21:57] <hallyn> belongs in there too, thanks :)
[21:58] <_KaszpiR_> hi
[21:58] <rbasak> that's my real use case - I have a VPS and IPv4 addresses are limited, but I would like separation between different things the server will do
[21:59] <rbasak> I'm curious about what lxcguest did, but I don't suppose that's particularly important.
[22:00] <rbasak> I hope that's useful feedback. The document really helped me though - I couldn't find this information concisely last week, and I think this will be really useful.
[22:00] <hallyn> it did things like send out fake net-device-up for lo, mount an empty /lib/init/fstab so that moutnall doesn't mess up the host, and start a getty on /dev/console
[22:00] <_KaszpiR_> I got a question, anyone got idea how to minimize server power usage? i'd like to make a home server that would not hod much pwoer if possible
[22:00] <_KaszpiR_> *hog
[22:00] <hallyn> (lxcguest ^)  but yeah i'm not sure i want that in the doc
[22:01] <hallyn> rbasak: great, thanks.  i sort of feel like it's too long to be useful, but obviously it's still incomplete.  thanksf or the comments.
[22:06] <rbasak> hallyn: for this kind of document, IMO long is not a problem, comprehensiveness is good - there should exist a document like that.
[22:06] <hallyn> <nod> makes sense
[22:44] <fluvvell> if anyone is familiar with dkim on postfix, can they suggest what "fatal: 8891:localhost: valid hostname or network address required" might mean in the mail log.
[23:11] <wmp> hello, anybody know how to disable access to PCI and lshw,lspci to user?
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