[00:03] ali1234: Wacky - mouse or touchpad? [00:20] ali1234, sounds like my laser mouse when it gets a hair in it ;) [00:49] mouse [02:18] scumbag ebuyer, buy PC off them, they send you mail next day "We miss you, please buy more" [02:35] haha [06:08] [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu Accomplishments Demo - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/02/21/ubuntu-accomplishments-demo/ [07:33] morning [07:53] Aloha [08:05] morning [08:06] hey [08:09] Morning [08:12] morning all [08:22] morning all [08:22] morning [08:33] good morning! [08:36] morning [09:16] morning [09:18] Good morning everybody :) [09:18] morning popey bigcalm [09:19] where could I grab the source code for the version of 'login' installed on ubuntu 10.04lts ? [09:19] PANCAKE day! [09:19] yay o/ [09:19] * iclebyte had no idea it was pancake day [09:22] iclebyte: apt-get source [09:22] my favourite way to find the package that provides it is to do [09:22] just worked that out out =) [09:22] apt-file search `which ` [09:22] so apt-file search `which login` [09:23] * iclebyte loves backticks =) [09:23] or if it's installed already "dpkg -S `which `" [09:25] unfortunately we use a program which does telnet logins to routers and it's hard coded to look for "hostname.domain.net login:" - we just rebuilt the box it hops through to 10.04LTS and the login prompt is now "login:" which has broken everything, so from what I can see online the only way to change this is to recompile login. [09:26] Hi, hopefully someone can help me, I'm install a PHP PECL package and it's failing claiming that it can't find evp.h from OpenSSL. "locate evp.h" returns /usr/include/openssl/evp.h. I try specifying "/usr/include/openssl" as the openssl dir but it still complains about that file.. [09:28] so you have libssl-dev installed? [09:29] Yup. [09:30] AlanBell: Apparently, anyways :p === Guest38588 is now known as oimon === sheep is now known as Guest67632 [09:36] anyone have problems unlocking the screensaver in gnome-shell? [09:37] often the screen does not reresh, and i'm typing blind, or worse... [09:38] Happy Pancake Day! :D [09:38] TheAshMan: ok, I am out of suggestions, if you have that, it should work :) [09:40] bug 848562 [09:40] Launchpad bug 848562 in gnome-screensaver (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell lock screen does not display password prompt" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/848562 [09:42] !info python-werkzeug 10.04 [09:42] '10.04' is not a valid distribution: hardy, hardy-backports, hardy-proposed, kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, lucid, lucid-backports, lucid-proposed, maverick, maverick-backports, maverick-proposed, medibuntu, natty, natty-backports, natty-proposed, oneiric, oneiric-backports, oneiric-proposed, partner, precise, precise-backports, precise-proposed, stable, testing, unstable [09:43] !info python-werkzeug lucid [09:43] python-werkzeug (source: python-werkzeug): collection of utilities for WSGI applications. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.1-1 (lucid), package size 1030 kB, installed size 3256 kB [09:50] AlanBell: Thanks anyways. I'm in the same situation. Out of ideas... :/ [10:01] Morning all [10:08] [Laura Czajkowski] New year got off to a good start - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2012/02/21/new-year-got-off-to-a-good-start/ [10:08] Is my ubuntu uk podcast feed dead or are folks simply taking a break? [10:09] they are on a break [10:09] * popey points hoover at http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/calendar/ [10:09] good morning [10:10] lo [10:10] why does http://www.raspberrypi.org/ keep getting databse errors [10:10] cue czajkowski spending lots of time explaining to Americans that chuffed means "pleased" [10:11] zleap: because it is wordpress with a mysql back end and they are running out of connections to it [10:11] good morning everyone, [10:11] ah [10:11] as in too many people trying to view website [10:11] yes [10:11] blogs do that if you hammer them hard enough and don't tweak the settings enough [10:11] morning brobostigon [10:11] they are gonna hvave big problems at launch then eh [10:11] * popey wishes we had the time/people/infrastructure to make an ubuntu flavour for the rspberry pi [10:12] morning MooDoo [10:12] not necessarily zleap [10:12] they are using 3rd parties to distribute AIUI [10:12] ah [10:12] AIUI [10:12] as i understabnd it ?? [10:12] zleap: the shop is not served up by wordpress [10:12] yes [10:12] due out "soon" isnt it? [10:13] by the end of the month [10:13] yeah, in a week or so [10:13] Careful popey [10:13] Cyanogen kill kittens when asked for ETAs [10:13] well that seems to be the plan anyway [10:13] heh [10:17] is it out yet? [10:17] Hourd: Any minute now... [10:17] :D [10:17] AlanBell: most of the Americans who read my blog are used to my sayings :) [10:17] In there channel [10:17] They got fed up answering [10:17] diplo: whats their channel? [10:17] found it :D [10:17] #raspberrypi [10:17] :) [10:18] hehe, loads of familiar nicks in there [10:18] Lot's of very in depth discussions go on in there, way way way over my head [10:18] Also lot's of bitching about blobs etc [10:18] And access to gpu etc [10:18] fancy that [10:19] I scour over it, rarely get involved [10:19] is that on freenode ? [10:19] try it and see zleap ☺ [10:19] yeah seems like it [10:20] hey right click add to favorites makes it mujch easier to add to auto join list :D [10:22] i take it they will really have to ramp up production the demand is high for this [10:22] i expect so [10:26] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17100224 met office needs more supercomputers [10:27] directhex: you have a leccy car don't you? prius? [10:29] popey, i wouldn't call it an electric car really, but yes [10:29] more like a petrol with KERS [10:29] they're downright scary when they pull away on leccy [10:29] hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm [10:29] I always think of it as like some hunter killer submarine but on land [10:29] silently maneuvering [10:30] is it possible to lock down telnet to only allow specific users to login? [10:30] directhex: how you enjoying it? [10:31] * popey is considering replacing a car with something nmore fuel efficient [10:31] pushbike [10:31] popey, well, it's faster than any of my previous cars, and it's a big comfortable family-size car that gets ~50mpg [10:31] motorbike [10:31] depending on your choice of tyre [10:31] and types of route driven [10:32] pushbike and motorbike are not useful to me [10:32] mm, and a decent sized motorbike isn't much more efficient than a prius [10:32] A VAN? popey [10:32] I need something i can put kids in [10:32] which is a bit concerning [10:32] get those little side cars to put on a moterbike [10:32] heh [10:32] iclebyte, not that I know of.. I'd change ports and use a firewall to lock it down maybe ? [10:33] motorbike is veto'ed here [10:33] On Today this morning they were talking about how you can get up to £8000 disc. if you buy an electric van. [10:34] I want to replace my Zafira for something more Efficient, thinking VM myself [10:34] popey: Something you can put kids in? So a new suitcase then [10:34] golly [10:34] VW* [10:34] think is the volvo just works and will probably go on for years [10:34] it's just expensive to run really [10:34] popey, a used prius isn't a bad choice - they depreciate fast, but the way the electric system works, you don't really lose out much with an older battery - the electric is only useful for acceleration at low speeds, and creeping along in traffic [10:35] popey, just had to pay my tax disc. 25% credit card surcharge! [10:35] ! [10:35] That's why I used my debit card [10:35] sounds more impressive saying it that way than £2.50 [10:35] 165 quid is enough in itself [10:35] :D [10:36] £190 here [10:36] hang on, 10 quid road tax on the prius? [10:36] directhex: 10 quid tax? [10:37] bigcalm, yeah. i have the old 2nd generation model, so it costs me £10 a year in tax [10:37] :O [10:37] 3rd gen prius is free to tax [10:37] lummy [10:38] Ok, road tax is one cost. How does it fair for fuel consumption, insurance, reliability? [10:38] which is funny, since the gen3 has a 1.8l engine, gen2 has 1.5l [10:39] bigcalm, fuel consumption is really tyre dependent. i switched to energy saving tyres and lost 3mpg. the default (expensive) bridgestones toyota use are better [10:39] but last less time. i wanted a tyre i could get 20+k miles from [10:40] ./me drives a 1 Series BMW and only pays £30 a year road tax :D [10:40] Keep away from Avon. Had my front tyers for about a year and a half and the tread has almost gone [10:40] bigcalm, so nowadays i get 47mpg comfortably [10:40] I also get about ~50mpg on average. [10:40] About the same as my 407 [10:41] Swings and roundabouts. Finding something that is cost effective over time takes a lot of thought [10:41] insurance is technically a very high group, but isn't actually priced that high on the assumption that prius drivers don't hit walls very often [10:41] TheAshMan, diesel? [10:42] directhex: yeah 2.0 TDI (118D Model) [10:42] That'd be nice. I'm still penalised for flood damage claim from 2007. Hopefully will see a drop next year [10:42] diplo, it's actually internal - a relic of old cisco systems [10:42] so my insurance cost didn't go up dramatically compared to the jazz. maybe 100ish extra in the first year. [10:43] reliability... not had a breakdown. servicing costs are high, especially at a dealership, but that's common to japanese brands [10:45] Considering that I'm still repaying the loan for this car, I shouldn't be looking at others [10:46] i've not finished paying the prius off yet [10:47] i'll need to keep it a while i reckon, babies are expensive [10:47] raspberry PI drop box port https://www.dropbox.com/votebox/8029/raspberry-pi-arm-port [10:50] zleap: kinda duplicating a poll that already exists there [10:50] https://www.dropbox.com/votebox/358/linux-arm-support [10:51] sorry, [10:51] iclebyte, We still have to use telnet on our system we maintain, it sucks :/ [10:55] morning all [10:55] czajkowski: prod [10:55] Hi davmor2 [10:56] davmor2: ello ello [10:56] oh god czajkowski thinks she is a copper [10:56] morning MooDoo bigcalm czajkowski how's life all [10:57] She thought that she was Kim Jong-il earlier [10:57] Full of beans. Just got my 9cell 7800mAh battery for the laptop. Waiting for the sucker to fully charge [10:57] How's you? [11:00] tired but other than that rockin and a rolling [11:01] morning davmor2 life? will be ok at 4:30 === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [11:04] MooDoo: here's something to help you through the day, http://sadtrombone.com and http://instantrimshot.com [11:04] davmor2: SFW? [11:05] MooDoo: yeap [11:12] !ask [11:12] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [11:13] !patience [11:13] Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org or http://askubuntu.com/ [11:15] Urgh, why do people always fille RAIDS to the brim [11:19] * daubers sends a "I hope you have a backup of this 18TB of stuff" email [11:19] backup? but we have raid [11:20] 18TB!?!?!? [11:21] heh BigRedS - That is the normal response still, doesn't seem to sink in with anyone [11:22] diplo: Yeah, only a little one [11:22] diplo: At my last job I 'deleted' 1TB of their media archive by mistake to demonstrate the difference [11:22] * daubers gets BigRedS to sign a data waiver [11:22] That secured funding for a backup file server :) [11:22] (and then I put the files back) [11:23] heh [11:23] heh [11:23] My new job has FA funds for big projects :( [11:24] yeah, that backup file server had already become the mail server before it had been delivered IIRC [11:24] but we needed one of those more desperately than the studio needed to backup their artwork [11:29] daubers, how do you backup 18TB ? [11:29] Lot's of tapes, or mirror to another 18TB setup ? [11:29] tapes? How quaint :) [11:30] ☺ [11:30] Not use tapes at all any more ? [11:31] We do + other disc, + off site rsyncs [11:31] We just rsync all over the place [11:34] diplo: Another raid, or LTO [11:35] I'm talking to a company that have a big spinny disk based LTO alternative, which is quite interesting [11:36] I looked at that at my last place, something offered by a partner at Dell [11:36] LTO5 is 1.5TB, so you don't need that many tapes [11:36] diplo: This thing http://www.diskarchive.tvarn.eu/index.php/dachome [11:38] They supply the software as well ? [11:38] Dont get points for website design though [11:38] :P [11:38] diplo: yeah, it's all on the box. Some web based thingy. Act's like a NAS [11:39] Cool, discs are the way forward tbh [11:39] As long as you keep them spinning :) [11:39] Don't archive long term very well [11:39] heh yep [11:39] Which is why people seem to like LTO [11:39] General backup to disc, monthly to LTO would work in general for me [11:40] We generally get people archiving specific projects to an LTO once done. Or the rushes for a project [11:40] Biggest issue for me in the last job was trusting the staff to actually change the tapes :( [11:41] heh, yeah :) [11:50] man, I could really do with syntax highlighting of bash one-liners [11:50] which might be a sign that this should really be a script... [12:08] I haz Battenburg :-) [12:09] yum [12:09] A little snack before lunch [12:09] Oh, I thought you were marching on Germany [12:09] ooh I keep forgetting to 'Buy that for the kids' ! [12:10] Germany? [12:13] * popey ponders lunch [12:13] some beef left over [12:13] blimey that crept up quick [12:14] I think i may have a throat-burning beef and mustard sandwich [12:14] Raclette cheese and red onion toasted sandwiches for me :D [12:15] raclette cheese outside its natual environment? [12:16] Hmmm, that's the one normally melted under a lamp isn't it? [12:16] A swiss invention. [12:16] Like a fondue but without the pot [12:18] Yes [12:18] But not really like a fondue as this is just cheese [12:20] * TheOpenSourcerer thinks mini-pork pie, sausages, cheese straws and pickles should do the trick today. [12:20] +1 [12:20] things melted under a lamp isn't really an invention, more an accident [12:21] Am really losing-the-will-to-live writing this bloody project definition... [12:21] fondue in general is more of an "OMG look at the state of that cheese! And the bread is all stale, but we have nothing else, how are we going to eat it??" [12:22] Fancy swapping? I've a server that's haunted by qmail to excorcise [12:23] heh qmail, not touched that in a couple of years [12:24] I think I've managed to sidestep being seen as soembody who knows it, but somehow I seem to be viewed as someone who enjoys migrating people from it to postfix [12:24] Ah so when I get my vps next week or so you are the postfix man then ? :) [12:24] I enjoy it in the sense that i feel I'm doing a Good Thing for humanity, but not because of any fondness for the process... [12:24] * diplo jots this down [12:24] dammit [12:25] I only ever really knew Qmail, that's all we ever used tbh [12:25] If you're installing Debian, https://github.com/BigRedS/postfixadmin-installer might be handy [12:25] Once we got it how we liked it, it just worked for years [12:25] Well, you testing it would be handy for me :) [12:25] Cool, good for me [12:26] I think Ubuntu already has a package for that, though it should really be a dselect thing [12:28] ah well it was going to be an ubuntu install but can defo give it a go [12:28] That should work on Ubuntu [12:28] I tested it on whatever the last LTS was [12:28] * AlanBell reads a rather fine project definition document [12:28] Cool [12:29] but it's probably more sensible to do it the proper way with that package whose name I can't remember [12:29] 10.04, thats what it will go on initially [12:29] my $postfixadminURL = "http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/postfixadmin/postfixadmin/postfixadmin-2.3.3/postfixadmin-2.3.3.tar.gz?r=http%3A%2F%2Fsourceforge.net [12:29] Hard coded the package ? [12:30] yeah [12:30] that's on the to-do-list [12:30] make it use the .deb [12:30] and put the .deb into my deb repository [12:32] in fact, if you pester me this evening, I might do it then [12:32] I'll charge work for it :) [12:38] Sorry boss on the phone, can test it for you in a vm tonight i guess but probably won't do it till i order my vps on Wednesday [12:39] ah, no, I've got tests going on. In fact there's another couple of bugs from this morning.... [12:39] I've found that if it's going into a clean machine it's normally fine [12:39] just keeps tripping over stupid qmail/vpopmail/courier detritus getting in the way [12:39] though that's probably something to fix in our migration scripts) [12:42] Do you have that many setups you need to automate it with that ? [12:44] yeah, we're a hosting company [12:44] and about ten years ago we standardised on vpopmail for virtual domain mail, but that requires a courier lib that's hard to do in Lenny and deemed 'too hard' in squeeze [12:45] :( [12:45] Big company ? [12:45] well, on the plus side it means we're leaving vpopmail behind :) [12:46] 400 or so servers so probably not [13:06] vpopmail? oldschool [13:06] i haven't heard that in ages [13:06] yeah, for good reason :) [13:07] we used to use that for our mail clusters too :) [13:11] heh, bringing memories for everyone :) [13:14] yeah, bad memories in the main [13:23] if anyone is thinking of requesting sponsorship to go to UDS-Q then today would be a really good day to fill out the form as the deadline is tomorrow http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/sponsorship/ [13:51] \o/ pancakes in the office [13:53] fatty [13:53] ;/ [13:53] but tasty [13:53] om nom nom nom [13:54] :/ [13:54] I got home made cheese scones here to eat [13:54] but waiting till tea break [13:54] fatty [13:54] ☺ [13:54] although, not really getting much work done [13:54] ;p [14:07] Anyone recommend a bug tracker [14:07] ? [14:07] Or recommend what they already use in there work place [14:07] they're all awful - some are more awful than others [14:08] :( [14:08] Bit's of paper and google docs sharing isn't cutting it either for me [14:08] * penguin42 uses a bugzilla instance at work - it does work but isn't that powerful [14:09] diplo: There is request tracker for things that aren't really bugs - more like tasks to do: http://bestpractical.com/rt/ [14:09] * penguin42 wonders if anyone has ever installed launchpad outside of canonical [14:09] heh, I've heard people have tried and it's quite complicated [14:09] Yeah used RT before, more of a task/support management [14:09] More after bugzilla type affair [14:10] lp doesn't seem too bad - except given the number of timeouts we get I'd say it can't cope with the load; probably not an issue inside a company [14:10] diplo: I use trac and quite like it [14:10] Will take a look ta [14:11] gord: davmor2 popey how do ye manage the lunch thing? take a break go for a walk or munch at your desk ? [14:12] czajkowski: well I go downstairs and eat as my office is effectively the spare bedroom. [14:12] nods [14:13] czajkowski: to be honest though if you sit and eat where the pc is you won't have a break as such is what I found [14:14] czajkowski: I watch a little tv, do washing up, laundry, mow the lawn, do food shopping. Usually washing up kills most of the lunch break though [14:14] czajkowski: i go to the kitchen put the radio on, do some washing, empty the dishwasher etc [14:14] whilst my soup cooks [14:15] Do something completely unrelated to using a computer [14:15] You need to disconnect [14:15] davmor2, czajkowski : I am really bad at not taking lunches ( Leaving the office / desk is a must imo ) otherwise you won't do it [14:15] I don't do it atm, feel shit for it as well [14:15] !ohmy | diplo [14:15] diplo: Please remember that all Ubuntu IRC channels share the same attitude of providing friendly and polite interaction with all users of all ages and cultures. Basically, this means no foul language and no abuse towards others. [14:16] pfft :) [14:16] nods went to shop to get pancake stuff [14:16] but that doenst take long [14:16] just need to work on that [14:16] cheers [14:16] depends on how busy i am really [14:17] past few weeks i've been at my desk every lunch really, otherwise going into town to the coffee shop is nice, can take the laptop and carry on working after lunch before coming back later in the day [14:19] mrevell: thanks for the mail to wolveslug been a bit swamped [14:19] np dude [14:22] Must keep warm [14:22] Will possibly bring fingerless gloves [14:24] *sigh* [14:24] Myrtti: you ok? [14:26] yeah. [14:36] afternoon [14:36] czajkowski suggested I ask you good people for help [14:37] I'm only just getting used to unity (I am slow to change) [14:37] I am aware of global menus but not very familiar with the concept. [14:37] I'm only seeing 'close-min-max boxes' on some of my applications under 12.04 [14:37] airurando: hiya, just a lot more unity folks in here, and and some of whom even like it unlike in other channels [14:38] :) [14:38] Is the rc6 kernel in the kernel team ppa or is it the general release one [14:38] * daubers just realised he has a sandy bridge machine [14:39] duabers are you talking to me? [14:40] on some of these applications there is no top bar to move a window around on the screen [14:41] on some others, if there is a top bar it can't be grabbed to move the window [14:42] airurando: AlanBell was looking at min max stuff earlier on [14:54] airurando: Sorry, no , was just a question :) [14:55] hi airurando [14:55] that sounds like bugs :) [14:56] there are a few applications that try to draw their own menus, not using the standard APIs for the window manager to to it [14:56] such as LibreOffice and chromium and probably a few others [14:57] there are patches to rip out the application menu and make "real" menus that the unity window manager can stuff in the top bar [14:59] Thanks Alan Bell [14:59] *AlanBell [15:05] daubers thought so, just making sure. confused the heck out of me :) [15:18] daubers, its in precice main [15:19] gord: Ta :) [15:19] gord: I assumed it was based on my powerstat numbers [15:21] yeah [15:21] tis really good [15:21] average of 10 watts really isn't bad [15:22] * daubers ruins it with rc6 off [15:22] s/ruin/run [15:23] really only feels like i'm getting 5 hours or so of use out of it with this though [15:24] stupid lenovo engineer hasn't arrived yet with my new mobo [15:24] * daubers wonders if he's in this IRC channel... [15:25] this is why all service personnel should be constantly gps tracked [15:25] ☺ [15:46] popey: Did you fill the customer service questionnaire in that you mentioned you had for lenovo? [15:55] not yet [15:55] * popey wonders who he could tickle to get bug 937885 fixed ☺ [15:56] Launchpad bug 937885 in gnome-video-arcade (Ubuntu) "Please update gnome-video-arcade to latest release" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/937885 [15:56] * popey tickles Laney [15:58] popey: possibly because you'd know who to tickle to get it done? [15:58] it's in debian [15:58] test it and make a sync request [15:59] :-) [15:59] wilco [15:59] How many mugs of coffee is too many for one day? [15:59] depends on the size of the mug [15:59] ∞ [15:59] Normal tea mug side [15:59] sized [16:00] and decaff/full fat coffee [16:00] Normal cartnoire filter coffee [16:00] bigcalm: if you can't get off the loo but are still drinking coffee you need to cut back [16:00] For me, 2 [16:00] I'd get a bit concerned at eight or nine [16:00] Currently sipping my 5th since 9am [16:00] 2 cups and I'm a bit jittery [16:01] Problem is it's so easy to do [16:01] * AlanBell is a bit of a chain-drinker of coffee [16:02]