[00:21] <jrwren> snap-l: completely unimpressed with teh squeezebox deb pkg
[00:21] <jrwren> its terrible.
[00:21] <rick_h> ha
[00:33] <jrwren> http://www.havetheknowhow.com/Install-the-software/Install-Squeezebox-server.html  <-- much better
[00:37] <jrwren> or not.
[00:37] <jrwren> same damned pkg.
[00:37] <jrwren> fail.
[00:42] <jrwren> and why do I need a mysqueezebox account to login to the server that is on my host?
[00:59] <jrwren> softsqueeze windows could not find a JRE... DIAF!
[01:21] <snap-l> jrwren: They tie it together so you can still use the radio if your machine is offline
[01:21] <snap-l> and softsqueeze is a bit of a PITA, which is why I use squeezeslave
[01:21] <snap-l> but that's text based
[01:22] <snap-l> and the package for the server is a bit woknky, but no worse than most commercial packages
[01:23] <snap-l> all I can say is "it gets better"
[01:23] <snap-l> I had the same hate for it
[01:23] <jrwren> just connecting to stream is not bad.
[01:23] <jrwren> but wtf is with the delay?
[01:23] <jrwren> took like 5 minutes.
[01:23] <jrwren> can I turn off any transcoding?
[01:28] <jrwren> i don't see it getting better.
[01:28] <jrwren> this is terrible.
[01:28] <rick_h> lol
[01:28] <rick_h> patches welcome? :)
[01:29] <jrwren> i think starting with a different codebase would be better.
[01:29] <rick_h> fork fork fork!
[01:29] <jrwren> no ty
[01:29] <jrwren> I'm thinking, why fork Hurd, when Linux exists?
[01:30] <jrwren> this is so bad it says it is playing one thing, but I"m hearing aother thing.
[01:31] <jrwren> a lot of potential i suppose.
[01:33] <jrwren> haha, now its playing a track that I clicked 10min ago.
[01:33] <jrwren> I didn't queue it, I clicked play, as in now.
[01:33] <jrwren> this is WIERD.
[01:34] <rick_h> it takes time for all that to cross the air you know
[01:34] <jrwren> right.
[01:34] <Blazeix> bless its heart, it's trying.
[01:44] <snap-l> jrwren: OK, the stream.mp3? It's awful
[01:44] <snap-l> Don't use that
[01:44] <snap-l> For whatever reason it gets buffered all to hell
[01:44] <snap-l> use the client
[01:44] <snap-l> Trust me
[02:07] <jrwren> oh well that sucks, stream.mp3 was such a great idea.
[02:10] <snap-l> I know. It sucks. Don't use it. :)
[02:24] <snap-l> http://download.magnatune.com/artists/albums/philrey-hellzauber/
[11:54] <rick_h> morning
[12:31] <snap-l> Good morning
[12:31] <snap-l> new OMC is up
[12:46] <snap-l> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1096907/do-browsers-parse-javascript-on-every-page-load/9261355#9261355
[12:46] <snap-l> Honestly, that's something I hadn't thought of before.
[12:49] <rick_h> yea, welcome to compiler optmization
[13:01] <brousch> geez, long updates today
[13:01] <brousch> maybe because i put them off for a week
[13:10] <rick_h> heh, not surprising.
[13:12] <rick_h> bah, good fish equip is hard to find. Can't find the hose I want but from a couple of places and none of them do anything other than ups ground shipping :(
[13:13]  * rick_h misses prime shipping from everyone else
[13:14] <brousch> you need a hose and you need it now?
[13:14] <rick_h> yea, most everything else is arriving today
[13:14] <rick_h> but I need the hose to reach the sink in the basement so I can clear our/refill the water easily
[13:15] <brousch> it's just a garden hose?
[13:15] <rick_h> http://www.amazon.com/Brand-75FT-PYTHON-SPILL-CLEAN/dp/B0002DI06Q/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1329830134&sr=8-4
[13:16] <brousch> oh i see. you need the python hose
[13:17] <rick_h> so it's got a sink faucet hookup, and it uses the sink running water to prime/pull the water out of the tank, etc
[13:17] <brousch> geezum pete. 75ft of aquarium hose?!
[13:17] <rick_h> well, my aquairum is a bit far from the sink atm :/
[13:35] <snap-l> rick_h: That's why God invented buckets.
[13:35] <snap-l> and wheels for said buckets.
[13:35] <rick_h> snap-l: buckets don't pull water out very well
[13:36] <snap-l> No, but siphon hoses do
[13:36] <rick_h> I've got 8gal of water in there that's seen a lot of 409 and windex that needs to be thoroughly drawn out
[13:36] <rick_h> right, and the python is the best siphon hose :)
[13:36] <snap-l> DOn't you dechlorinate your water beforehand in gallon jugs?
[13:37] <rick_h> no, after the initial work and setup I'll only fill in 5gal or so a week from the big bottled water from the store
[13:37] <brousch> don't you have a pond/creek in the backyard you can pull water from?
[13:37] <rick_h> should evaporate about that
[13:37] <rick_h> lol
[13:38] <brousch> or just siphon the water out the window
[13:38] <rick_h> and no, I don't have clorine in the water really due to the community well vs city water
[13:38] <snap-l> rick_h: Ah, being a city boy, I always had to use chlorine removal stuff
[13:38] <rick_h> you guys are super helpful. Tell you what, why don't I just lift the 80# tank plus the 64# of water in there on my back and dump it outside
[13:38] <rick_h> snap-l: I've got some water conditiner, and I've got trace element add-ins for the plants
[13:39] <rick_h> but yea, not goign to treat in 1gal increments
[13:39] <rick_h> we only deal with 5-10gal increments with anything
[13:39] <brousch> just trying to think outside of the $80 hose
[13:39] <snap-l> rick_h: Right, I just remember when I had my 10 gallon tank (when I was around 8th grade) taking rinsed milk jugs and leaving them out overnight
[13:39] <rick_h> snap-l: ah gotcha
[13:39] <rick_h> yea, none of that here
[13:40] <snap-l> rick_h is a per-fesh-i-nal
[13:40] <snap-l> ;)
[13:40] <brousch> profishinal
[13:40] <snap-l> That too. :)
[13:41] <rick_h> http://www.amazon.com/Hagen-Nutrafin-Aqua-Water-Conditioner/dp/B005JP9PSY/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1329831627&sr=8-6
[13:41] <rick_h> tend to stick that in the new water as it goes in is all
[13:41] <snap-l> What? No Tetramin? :)
[13:43] <rick_h> actually this http://www.amazon.com/Seachem-433-Prime-500ml/dp/B00025694O/ref=sr_1_4?s=pet-supplies&ie=UTF8&qid=1329831715&sr=1-4
[14:36] <snap-l> Am I the only person in the world who can't take King Diamond Seriously?
[14:36] <snap-l> (listening to snakenet metal radio, and At The Graves is on)
[14:37] <ColonelPanic001> not familiar
[14:37] <snap-l> http://www.snakenetmetalradio.com/default.asp
[14:39] <snap-l> brousch: Have you tried https://raw.github.com/xdissent/ievms/master/ievms.sh ?
[14:39] <brousch> no, but it looks good
[14:39] <brousch> someone has also suggested IETester
[14:40] <brousch> http://www.my-debugbar.com/wiki/IETester/HomePage
[14:50] <snap-l> What's the best way to determine the python type of a sqlalchemy column?
[14:50] <snap-l> tried "isinstance(type(meta.metadata.tables['Sample'].columns['phone'].type), String)", but that's returning False
[14:51] <rick_h> snap-l: sec
[14:51] <snap-l> rick_h: danke
[14:51] <rick_h> http://blog.mitechie.com/2010/04/01/hacking-the-sqlalchemy-base-class/
[14:52] <rick_h> snap-l: see the code sample there ^ I check if a column is a DateTime column in there
[14:52] <snap-l> Ah, beaut
[14:53] <snap-l> I knew this was a solved problem, but damned if I could find it.
[14:54] <rick_h> yea, just realize there's already a class String
[14:54] <rick_h> so you need sqlalchemy.String
[14:54] <rick_h> and you should be using Unicode anyway :P
[14:56] <snap-l> RIght, because Python does brilliant things when a first_name is a number. :-
[14:56] <snap-l> P
[14:56] <snap-l> Also, screw Excel spreadsheets.
[14:57] <nullspace> venturi's do an even better job, that way you don't get dirty fish water in your mouth
[14:58] <nullspace> why was I an hour back? ehhh need more coffee
[15:00] <snap-l> rick_h: Thanks! It's working.
[15:01] <snap-l> Now to take over the world.
[15:05] <ColonelPanic001> I've used IETeste, years ago. It worked, more or less
[15:08] <rick_h> snap-l: awesome, glad that helped
[15:09] <snap-l> I love it when I get too far into a particular paradigm
[15:09] <rick_h> nullspace: so the python you hook up to the sink and start that water, it pulls/primes the vacuum
[15:09] <rick_h> nullspace: so yea, water in your mouth == bad
[15:09] <rick_h> snap-l: ?
[15:09] <snap-l> "Gee, why doesn't isinstance([var that might be None], None)" work? :)
[15:10] <rick_h> oh heh
[15:10] <snap-l> <- dumbass
[15:10] <rick_h> yea, in general isinstance is very very bad
[15:10] <rick_h> so should be RARELY used
[15:10] <rick_h> more want to play with the duck typing nature
[15:10] <rick_h> if possible
[15:11] <snap-l> Right, but sqlalchemy gets really pissy when you pass an int to a String
[15:11] <rick_h> yea, but you're checking something is none?
[15:11] <snap-l> Bitches that there's no encode method
[15:12] <snap-l> Right, because none also doesn't have an encode method for string
[15:12] <rick_h> right, but you can str(Int) and get it an encode method :)
[15:12] <rick_h> hmm, right but if you set a default on the str column, and pass it None, it should kick in and use that?
[15:12] <snap-l> rick_h: Ahem, yes, but I need to know if this is necessary.
[15:12] <rick_h> snap-l: right, that's what try: except is for
[15:13] <rick_h> that leaves it open more. If you check isinstance you're limiting only to Strings, but lots of things can implement .encode() that aren't a String class
[15:14] <snap-l> Right, but Python can cope with the rest of them. :)
[15:14] <snap-l> Python / SQLAlchemy
[15:21] <jrwren> i got asked waht are the fundamental datatypes in python... i had no idea. I said i dunno, int, float, string, unicode is separate?, list, hash.
[15:21] <jrwren> hehe, i'm nub
[15:22] <nullspace> rick_h: it's always about python with you
[15:22] <nullspace> :)
[15:22] <rick_h> nullspace: :)
[15:24] <nullspace> snap-l: arn't ORMs fun? everything is now an object
[15:25] <brousch> what else would it be?
[15:26] <nullspace> a PITA
[15:26] <nullspace> or a giant SQL statment
[15:26] <snap-l> nullspace: Actually, the amount of heavy lifting this thing does far outweighs type-conversion work-arounds. :)
[15:26] <snap-l> I'll gladly write wrappers if it means I don't have to write a SQL join statement from hell. :)
[15:27] <nullspace> I agree
[15:27] <rick_h> the coersion stuff is just because you don't have good control on the input
[15:27] <nullspace> I <3 my ORM
[15:27] <rick_h> which is just going to happen
[15:30] <jrwren> nullspace: you using hibernate
[15:32] <snap-l> I have had my lead-filled jelly donut for the year.
[15:33] <nullspace> cayanne
[15:33] <_stink_> my wife bought a package labeled "cherry" paczki from meijer yesterday... turns out they are all filled with not cherry, but some bizarre cheesy stuff
[15:33] <_stink_> i'm aware my description sounds pretty disgusting
[15:34] <_stink_> and they're not half bad
[15:34] <snap-l> _stink_: I love the cheese paczki
[15:34] <_stink_> i would rather have cherry, though.
[15:34] <snap-l> Got one with filled with apple
[15:34] <_stink_> yeah, i was surprised it wasn't bad
[15:34] <snap-l> tastes like a hostess apple pie
[15:34] <_stink_> heh
[15:34] <_stink_> for health!
[15:35] <rick_h> my wife is on a mission for prune ones
[15:35] <rick_h> I've been giving her a hard time about it for days
[15:35] <_stink_> haha
[15:35] <snap-l> Today I vow to be happy and positive. Just as soon as I gut some random motherfucker for breathing. Then it's all unicorn shit and handjobs. -- Stephen Blackmoore
[15:35] <rick_h> evidently she found one other person that loves the idea of a prune one and the two of them have been calling places since friday
[15:35] <nullspace> I prefer the blueberry paczki
[15:36] <_stink_> mm, that does sound good.
[15:36] <snap-l> rick_h: The idea of prune paczkis is about as appealing as the cherry-nougat Whitman candies.
[15:36] <snap-l> ie: you can have my share.
[15:37] <nullspace> _stink_: so are these the local kind or the mass producted kind?
[15:37] <nullspace> snap-l: how about peach paczki?
[15:37] <_stink_> nullspace: er, whatever meijer carries
[15:37] <snap-l> nullspace: Knock yourself out. I'm not a fan of peaches
[15:37] <_stink_> might be local
[15:37] <_stink_> but probably not 'authentic'
[15:38] <nullspace> _stink_: father in-law picked up some from a polish bakery where they speak broken english, tasty stuff
[15:38] <jrwren> mmm... cheesy stuff.
[15:38] <jrwren> its like a cheese danish, but in paczki form.
[15:38] <_stink_> nullspace: that's the way to go.
[15:39] <_stink_> yeah, i guess it was just like a cheese danish.
[15:39] <_stink_> good call.
[15:39] <nullspace> _stink_: seriously, there is no excuse for us to suffer non authentic with hamramick being so close
[15:39] <jrwren> i was just saying that it MUCH more celebrated and better over in detroit, because of way more polish people.
[15:39] <jrwren> here in ann arbor, its practically forgotten.
[15:40] <jrwren> seems like someone would always stop in hamtrammik to get some and bring 'em in, when I worked in oakland county.
[15:41] <nullspace> jrwren: should pick up some coffee flavored porter and just resign to the fact little will be accomplished today
[15:41] <snap-l> jrwren: Well, it's not an hour's drive away both ways.
[15:42] <snap-l> jrwren: That, and you'd have to give up a parking spot.
[15:42] <_stink_> shit, WSU is like 5 minutes away from Hammytrammy
[15:44] <snap-l> _stink_: And miss out on Olympia or Epicurius Place?
[15:45] <_stink_> haha
[15:45] <_stink_> or Byblos - now with *two* locations!
[15:45] <snap-l> God, Epicurius probably has the same ketchup on the tables from when I was there
[15:46] <_stink_> that building survived the big demolition along warren
[15:46]  * snap-l does miss the Potato PLace.
[15:46] <_stink_> i should go there more.
[15:46] <snap-l> good gumbo
[15:46] <snap-l> _stink_: I think they'd need a hazmat team to demolish that building
[15:46] <_stink_> snap-l: what years were you around here?
[15:47] <snap-l> all of that greek grease
[15:47] <snap-l> 1993-1994
[15:47] <_stink_> had the Welcome Center been built yet?
[15:47] <_stink_> probbaly not, then
[15:47] <snap-l> No, likely not
[15:47] <_stink_> was Z's on the corner of Woodward/Warren then?
[15:47] <snap-l> No
[15:47] <_stink_> aight, just wondered.
[15:48] <snap-l> the student union had a Friar Tucks, Tubbys, and Little Caesars
[15:48] <snap-l> and an arcade
[15:48] <_stink_> sounds better then than it is now.
[15:48] <snap-l> With Samurai Showdown 2
[16:46] <snap-l> The company introduced a new 8 gigabyte Nook tablet on Tuesday for $199 and lowered the price for the Nook Color to $169 from $199. The first version of the tablet cost $249.
[16:47] <snap-l> Considering you can only load 1GB of user content on-board, this is not a bad deal
[16:48] <brousch> sd card
[16:48] <snap-l> Yeah, but I've yet to fill it
[16:48] <brousch> and cyanogenmod that thing
[16:48] <snap-l> brousch: Getting closer.
[17:33] <rick_h> heh, well someone is going for the "overboard title of the year" award: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/pzjay/nodejs_is_stupid_and_if_you_use_it_so_are_you/
[17:35] <rick_h> oh man, and painful to watch...don't know I'll make it through
[17:39] <rick_h> and he really comes across as serious, so not getting any humor vibes out of it
[17:41] <snap-l> I think there's a point where people will rebel against anything that's considered trendy
[17:42] <snap-l> "I can't breathe anymore because too many people ar doing it."
[17:44] <snap-l> Node.js is built on lies
[17:44] <snap-l> Wow, way to frame an argument
[17:45] <snap-l> Javascript is slow? Maybe back in 1995
[17:45] <rick_h> if the guy was giving a mug talk, I'd have walked out and left. I kept waiting for a punchline but never came
[17:46] <snap-l> WEll, his basic assumptions are stupid
[17:46] <snap-l> God, you could level any of his arguments against any language.
[17:47] <snap-l> "Hello, nice video. I couldn't find your arguments. Where can I find them?﻿ Thanks"
[17:48] <snap-l> Made it 2/3 of the way before I figured the bits could be better used for internet porn
[17:48] <rick_h> yes, I can save you that trouble
[17:54] <snap-l> Apparently he's a SEO douche too.
[17:55] <snap-l> Also enjoys taking candy from children and punching baby seals
[17:55] <rick_h> hah
[18:03] <brousch> so he helps to fight childhood obesity and is nicer than the people who club baby seals?
[18:03] <brousch> not so bad
[18:05] <snap-l> Now do you nicely punch a baby seal?
[18:05] <snap-l> Apparently you have some life-skills that I currently lack
[18:07] <brousch> see, they freak out when you approach, so you punch them just hard enough to daze them. then you can hide them from the seal clubbers
[18:07] <brousch> this is a canadian thing. where's tjagoda to back me up?
[18:13] <_stink_> you guys seen this?  i'm probably way behind the ball... http://devsigh.com
[18:23] <brousch> this ubuntu on android thing is what i dreamed of 7 years ago. a little box you carry around in your pocket and plug into monitors for a full desktop
[18:24] <snap-l> http://devsigh.com/sigh/44
[18:24] <brousch> i imagined using NX on a server somewhere with a little terminal client, but ok
[18:25] <_stink_> this one is my favorite so far: http://devsigh.com/sigh/225
[18:30] <greg-g> man I love this 'old' x200s keyboard/screen/build quality
[19:27] <greg-g> so, some people don't use gnome-do: can you explain how they are productive by not?
[19:30] <brousch> strange. i'm trying to dowload a big file from SF and it keeps killing my wifi
[19:31] <brousch> not my laptop's wifi, the wifi router's
[19:31] <greg-g> too much ganje in the packets?
[19:31] <greg-g> oh, you mean SourceForge ;)
[19:32] <greg-g> s/ganje/ganja/
[19:33] <rick_h> greg-g: gmrun
[19:37] <greg-g> rick_h: but, can I search for a filename/folder?
[19:38] <rick_h> greg-g: no, just a shell to run apps/etc
[19:38] <brousch> why is there a goatse at the bottom of this ubuntu page? http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android
[19:38] <greg-g> brousch: :)
[19:38] <rick_h> if I need to search for anything it's locate and workit to the rescue
[19:38] <greg-g> rick_h: yeah, unfortunately, that is about 70% of my gnome-do usage after the first 10 minutes of a reboot
[19:38] <greg-g> bah, if only. mine is gnome-do + LibreOffice ;)
[19:39] <_stink_> yeah, i fall on locate/find . a lot
[19:40] <greg-g> brousch: Canonical designers having a joke on us
[19:40] <brousch> i blame rick_h
[19:40] <rick_h> good plan!
[19:40] <snap-l> I usually put everything in to a folder under known locations
[19:41] <snap-l> projects for coding stuff, documents for writing stuff, and reference for stuff I'll want to refer later on
[19:41] <greg-g> snap-l: right, but quickly getting to the location so you can get to a specific file is slow if you just <envoke>nautilus or whatever
[19:41] <snap-l> cd projects/ope[tab]
[19:41]  * greg-g is a bit more document driven than you crazy coders :P
[19:42] <snap-l> Also, nautilus does text complete
[19:42] <snap-l> Click on a folder, and type
[19:42] <snap-l> Now that I've said that, it'll be removed two releases from now
[19:42] <greg-g> zing!
[19:44] <snap-l> Well, seems like anytime I get used to something, it changes in 50% good, and 50% WTF ways.
[19:44] <snap-l> Like 11.10 no longer lets you use / to search for a particular path
[19:44] <snap-l> (nautilus)
[19:44] <snap-l> Bah, and just as soon as I said that, I tried it, and it made me a liar
[19:44] <rick_h> thunar ftw
[19:44] <rick_h> snap-l: yea, I think that got added back
[19:45] <rick_h> it was removed at one point, but the power users ranted and railed
[19:45] <snap-l> It's handy as hell
[19:45] <snap-l> esp for hidden directories
[19:45] <rick_h> right
[19:46] <snap-l> greg-g: Now that we've completely talked around your use-case, are you good? :)
[19:46] <rick_h> lol
[19:47] <greg-g> snap-l: nope! ;)
[19:47] <snap-l> Awesome
[19:47] <snap-l> np: Eluveitie - Uxellodunon
[19:47] <greg-g> actually, I'm just annoyed right now that gnome-do isn't being envoked consistently in Debian
[19:48] <snap-l> I think since DBO started working on Unity, Gnome Do got a lot less attention
[19:48]  * greg-g nods
[19:48] <greg-g> and RAOF
[19:48] <greg-g> Christian Hales-Something
[19:49] <snap-l> Was that the gent that we did the laptop-drive for?
[19:49] <greg-g> hmmmm
[19:49] <greg-g> maybe?
[19:49] <rick_h> thought it was DBO
[19:49] <greg-g> there's been a few of those in the past 2 years I can't keep them straight
[19:49] <rick_h> well DBO was a laptop right?
[19:50] <snap-l> Yeah I don't remember offhand
[19:51] <snap-l> All I remember was jcastro mentioning something, and suddenly I was typing my credentials into Paypal
[19:51] <snap-l> he has that effect on people.
[20:14] <greg-g> dangerous
[20:41] <jrwren> watching that javascript video... this guy is an idiot.
[20:41] <jrwren> hahaha... doesn't understand what blocking is. LOLOLOL
[21:02] <snap-l> Yeah, I thought that was precious
[21:03] <ColonelPanic001> wat
[21:03] <ColonelPanic001> blocking is what you do when you park your car infront of another car
[21:27] <brousch> hahahahah awesome
[21:27] <brousch> i'm running Lubuntu on my nook color
[21:27] <snap-l> And?
[21:27] <brousch> and it works
[21:28] <brousch> some chroot+vnc magic
[21:29] <brousch> heh, thunderbird and gimp included
[21:38] <brousch> i think it's ubuntu 10.10. let's see if an update destroys it
[21:40] <brousch> wow, kind of hard on the battery
[21:44] <_stink_> heh
[21:45] <snap-l> Considering normal Ubuntu can be hard on batteries, I'm not surprised.
[21:49] <brousch> this is actually a pretty nice way to run it. i get the regular android taskbar, keyboard, and apps along with ubuntu
[21:49] <brousch> no silly gnome software keyboard that's a PITA
[21:52] <brousch> though i don't think it has much of an advvantage over VNCing to a remote server and using dropbox to sync files
[21:59] <jrwren> so are you running lubuntu on your nook or just a vnc client?
[21:59] <brousch> lubuntu
[22:00] <brousch> but you use vnc to view it
[22:00] <brousch> it runs on android
[22:00] <_stink_> like the UI runs on android?
[22:00] <_stink_> on an X session or something?
[22:00] <jrwren> VNC to a virtual X
[22:00] <brousch> http://goo.gl/UP7Vo
[22:01] <brousch> it runs a full lubuntu inside a chroot
[22:01] <brousch> but you have to use vnc to view the GUI
[22:01] <_stink_> dizang
[22:01] <jrwren> but still just the android-linux kernel.
[22:01] <jrwren> ha, that is pretty cool.
[22:02] <_stink_> now fire up eclipse inside lubuntu
[22:02] <brousch> oh geez
[22:02] <brousch> _stink_: hey, i guess you could develop android apps on android that way!
[22:02] <_stink_> o/
[22:02] <_stink_> so meta.
[22:03] <brousch> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/screenshot-1329861965965.png
[22:04] <brousch> imagine running the android emulator inside ubuntu on android
[22:04] <brousch> that has to be incredibly painful
[22:05] <_stink_> hahaha
[22:05] <_stink_> i love it
[22:06] <brousch> i think i would get about 1-2 hours of usage out of this before the battery ran out
[22:07] <brousch> maybe 3
[22:08] <brousch> is this how the new ubuntu on android from canonical works?
[22:09] <brousch> the speed is OK even on this single CPU 800MHz, but it's Lubuntu
[22:09] <brousch> time to run
[22:40] <jcastro> hey rick_h
[22:40] <rick_h> jcastro: yep
[22:40] <jcastro> is there such thing as a vesa to vesa extender?
[22:40] <jcastro> basically .... my arms are as high as they will go
[22:40] <rick_h> vesa?
[22:40] <rick_h> ah
[22:40] <jcastro> but I need another siz inches to raise the panels
[22:40] <rick_h> oh hmmm, ugh.
[22:41] <jcastro> so I was thinking, a long plate, with holes
[22:41] <jcastro> and I just mount it higher.
[22:41] <rick_h> how will that get them taller?
[22:41] <rick_h> you mean closer to your?
[22:41] <jcastro> no, taller
[22:41] <jcastro> like, instead of mounting the arm right to the back of the panel
[22:41] <rick_h> no, the only thing I could think of would be to bolt a raised shelf on top of the desk
[22:41] <jcastro> it's another bracker
[22:41] <rick_h> and them move the arms to that shelf
[22:42] <rick_h> os like, on my old ikea desk it had a small shelf 8" or so over the main large desk surface
[22:42] <rick_h> I stuck my arms to that
[22:43] <rick_h> shoot, you could build a simple u-shape with 3 blocks and c-clamp the blocks to the desk and the arms to the top of the new thing
[22:44] <rick_h> jcastro: https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1fr_oZ-fT3tcteg7HhslFK0btdUQ6rZXHwHGOUA9A8_g/edit
[22:45] <jcastro> hah
[22:45] <jcastro> nice artwork
[22:46] <rick_h> hey, it's what you get from the kitchen counter while I'm making dinner :P
[22:47] <jcastro> this bracket has to exist
[22:47] <jcastro> there's no way every single monitor arm is exactly the right size
[22:47] <rick_h> I think most people change monitor arms
[22:47] <rick_h> get one that has more height limitation, that's the issue with these is that they're cheaper, but not as flexible
[23:24] <jcastro> hey rick
[23:24] <jcastro> rick_h: you have an aeron right?
[23:59] <brousch> ah, cool, he has a 12.04 image in the works http://linuxonandroid.blogspot.com/