[00:21] snap-l: completely unimpressed with teh squeezebox deb pkg [00:21] its terrible. [00:21] ha [00:33] http://www.havetheknowhow.com/Install-the-software/Install-Squeezebox-server.html <-- much better [00:37] or not. [00:37] same damned pkg. [00:37] fail. [00:42] and why do I need a mysqueezebox account to login to the server that is on my host? [00:59] softsqueeze windows could not find a JRE... DIAF! [01:21] jrwren: They tie it together so you can still use the radio if your machine is offline [01:21] and softsqueeze is a bit of a PITA, which is why I use squeezeslave [01:21] but that's text based [01:22] and the package for the server is a bit woknky, but no worse than most commercial packages [01:23] all I can say is "it gets better" [01:23] I had the same hate for it [01:23] just connecting to stream is not bad. [01:23] but wtf is with the delay? [01:23] took like 5 minutes. [01:23] can I turn off any transcoding? [01:28] i don't see it getting better. [01:28] this is terrible. [01:28] lol [01:28] patches welcome? :) [01:29] i think starting with a different codebase would be better. [01:29] fork fork fork! [01:29] no ty [01:29] I'm thinking, why fork Hurd, when Linux exists? [01:30] this is so bad it says it is playing one thing, but I"m hearing aother thing. [01:31] a lot of potential i suppose. [01:33] haha, now its playing a track that I clicked 10min ago. [01:33] I didn't queue it, I clicked play, as in now. [01:33] this is WIERD. [01:34] it takes time for all that to cross the air you know [01:34] right. [01:34] bless its heart, it's trying. [01:44] jrwren: OK, the stream.mp3? It's awful [01:44] Don't use that [01:44] For whatever reason it gets buffered all to hell [01:44] use the client [01:44] Trust me [02:07] oh well that sucks, stream.mp3 was such a great idea. [02:10] I know. It sucks. Don't use it. :) [02:24] http://download.magnatune.com/artists/albums/philrey-hellzauber/ [11:54] morning [12:31] Good morning [12:31] new OMC is up [12:46] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1096907/do-browsers-parse-javascript-on-every-page-load/9261355#9261355 [12:46] Honestly, that's something I hadn't thought of before. [12:49] yea, welcome to compiler optmization [13:01] geez, long updates today [13:01] maybe because i put them off for a week [13:10] heh, not surprising. [13:12] bah, good fish equip is hard to find. Can't find the hose I want but from a couple of places and none of them do anything other than ups ground shipping :( [13:13] * rick_h misses prime shipping from everyone else [13:14] you need a hose and you need it now? [13:14] yea, most everything else is arriving today [13:14] but I need the hose to reach the sink in the basement so I can clear our/refill the water easily [13:15] it's just a garden hose? [13:15] http://www.amazon.com/Brand-75FT-PYTHON-SPILL-CLEAN/dp/B0002DI06Q/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1329830134&sr=8-4 [13:16] oh i see. you need the python hose [13:17] so it's got a sink faucet hookup, and it uses the sink running water to prime/pull the water out of the tank, etc [13:17] geezum pete. 75ft of aquarium hose?! [13:17] well, my aquairum is a bit far from the sink atm :/ [13:35] rick_h: That's why God invented buckets. [13:35] and wheels for said buckets. [13:35] snap-l: buckets don't pull water out very well [13:36] No, but siphon hoses do [13:36] I've got 8gal of water in there that's seen a lot of 409 and windex that needs to be thoroughly drawn out [13:36] right, and the python is the best siphon hose :) [13:36] DOn't you dechlorinate your water beforehand in gallon jugs? [13:37] no, after the initial work and setup I'll only fill in 5gal or so a week from the big bottled water from the store [13:37] don't you have a pond/creek in the backyard you can pull water from? [13:37] should evaporate about that [13:37] lol [13:38] or just siphon the water out the window [13:38] and no, I don't have clorine in the water really due to the community well vs city water [13:38] rick_h: Ah, being a city boy, I always had to use chlorine removal stuff [13:38] you guys are super helpful. Tell you what, why don't I just lift the 80# tank plus the 64# of water in there on my back and dump it outside [13:38] snap-l: I've got some water conditiner, and I've got trace element add-ins for the plants [13:39] but yea, not goign to treat in 1gal increments [13:39] we only deal with 5-10gal increments with anything [13:39] just trying to think outside of the $80 hose [13:39] rick_h: Right, I just remember when I had my 10 gallon tank (when I was around 8th grade) taking rinsed milk jugs and leaving them out overnight [13:39] snap-l: ah gotcha [13:39] yea, none of that here [13:40] rick_h is a per-fesh-i-nal [13:40] ;) [13:40] profishinal [13:40] That too. :) [13:41] http://www.amazon.com/Hagen-Nutrafin-Aqua-Water-Conditioner/dp/B005JP9PSY/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1329831627&sr=8-6 [13:41] tend to stick that in the new water as it goes in is all [13:41] What? No Tetramin? :) [13:43] actually this http://www.amazon.com/Seachem-433-Prime-500ml/dp/B00025694O/ref=sr_1_4?s=pet-supplies&ie=UTF8&qid=1329831715&sr=1-4 [14:36] Am I the only person in the world who can't take King Diamond Seriously? [14:36] (listening to snakenet metal radio, and At The Graves is on) [14:37] not familiar [14:37] http://www.snakenetmetalradio.com/default.asp [14:39] brousch: Have you tried https://raw.github.com/xdissent/ievms/master/ievms.sh ? [14:39] no, but it looks good [14:39] someone has also suggested IETester [14:40] http://www.my-debugbar.com/wiki/IETester/HomePage [14:50] What's the best way to determine the python type of a sqlalchemy column? [14:50] tried "isinstance(type(meta.metadata.tables['Sample'].columns['phone'].type), String)", but that's returning False [14:51] snap-l: sec [14:51] rick_h: danke [14:51] http://blog.mitechie.com/2010/04/01/hacking-the-sqlalchemy-base-class/ [14:52] snap-l: see the code sample there ^ I check if a column is a DateTime column in there [14:52] Ah, beaut [14:53] I knew this was a solved problem, but damned if I could find it. [14:54] yea, just realize there's already a class String [14:54] so you need sqlalchemy.String [14:54] and you should be using Unicode anyway :P [14:56] RIght, because Python does brilliant things when a first_name is a number. :- [14:56] P [14:56] Also, screw Excel spreadsheets. [14:57] venturi's do an even better job, that way you don't get dirty fish water in your mouth [14:58] why was I an hour back? ehhh need more coffee [15:00] rick_h: Thanks! It's working. [15:01] Now to take over the world. [15:05] I've used IETeste, years ago. It worked, more or less [15:08] snap-l: awesome, glad that helped [15:09] I love it when I get too far into a particular paradigm [15:09] nullspace: so the python you hook up to the sink and start that water, it pulls/primes the vacuum [15:09] nullspace: so yea, water in your mouth == bad [15:09] snap-l: ? [15:09] "Gee, why doesn't isinstance([var that might be None], None)" work? :) [15:10] oh heh [15:10] <- dumbass [15:10] yea, in general isinstance is very very bad [15:10] so should be RARELY used [15:10] more want to play with the duck typing nature [15:10] if possible [15:11] Right, but sqlalchemy gets really pissy when you pass an int to a String [15:11] yea, but you're checking something is none? [15:11] Bitches that there's no encode method [15:12] Right, because none also doesn't have an encode method for string [15:12] right, but you can str(Int) and get it an encode method :) [15:12] hmm, right but if you set a default on the str column, and pass it None, it should kick in and use that? [15:12] rick_h: Ahem, yes, but I need to know if this is necessary. [15:12] snap-l: right, that's what try: except is for [15:13] that leaves it open more. If you check isinstance you're limiting only to Strings, but lots of things can implement .encode() that aren't a String class [15:14] Right, but Python can cope with the rest of them. :) [15:14] Python / SQLAlchemy [15:21] i got asked waht are the fundamental datatypes in python... i had no idea. I said i dunno, int, float, string, unicode is separate?, list, hash. [15:21] hehe, i'm nub [15:22] rick_h: it's always about python with you [15:22] :) [15:22] nullspace: :) [15:24] snap-l: arn't ORMs fun? everything is now an object [15:25] what else would it be? [15:26] a PITA [15:26] or a giant SQL statment [15:26] nullspace: Actually, the amount of heavy lifting this thing does far outweighs type-conversion work-arounds. :) [15:26] I'll gladly write wrappers if it means I don't have to write a SQL join statement from hell. :) [15:27] I agree [15:27] the coersion stuff is just because you don't have good control on the input [15:27] I <3 my ORM [15:27] which is just going to happen [15:30] nullspace: you using hibernate [15:32] I have had my lead-filled jelly donut for the year. [15:33] cayanne [15:33] <_stink_> my wife bought a package labeled "cherry" paczki from meijer yesterday... turns out they are all filled with not cherry, but some bizarre cheesy stuff [15:33] <_stink_> i'm aware my description sounds pretty disgusting [15:34] <_stink_> and they're not half bad [15:34] _stink_: I love the cheese paczki [15:34] <_stink_> i would rather have cherry, though. [15:34] Got one with filled with apple [15:34] <_stink_> yeah, i was surprised it wasn't bad [15:34] tastes like a hostess apple pie [15:34] <_stink_> heh [15:34] <_stink_> for health! [15:35] my wife is on a mission for prune ones [15:35] I've been giving her a hard time about it for days [15:35] <_stink_> haha [15:35] Today I vow to be happy and positive. Just as soon as I gut some random motherfucker for breathing. Then it's all unicorn shit and handjobs. -- Stephen Blackmoore [15:35] evidently she found one other person that loves the idea of a prune one and the two of them have been calling places since friday [15:35] I prefer the blueberry paczki [15:36] <_stink_> mm, that does sound good. [15:36] rick_h: The idea of prune paczkis is about as appealing as the cherry-nougat Whitman candies. [15:36] ie: you can have my share. [15:37] _stink_: so are these the local kind or the mass producted kind? [15:37] snap-l: how about peach paczki? [15:37] <_stink_> nullspace: er, whatever meijer carries [15:37] nullspace: Knock yourself out. I'm not a fan of peaches [15:37] <_stink_> might be local [15:37] <_stink_> but probably not 'authentic' [15:38] _stink_: father in-law picked up some from a polish bakery where they speak broken english, tasty stuff [15:38] mmm... cheesy stuff. [15:38] its like a cheese danish, but in paczki form. [15:38] <_stink_> nullspace: that's the way to go. [15:39] <_stink_> yeah, i guess it was just like a cheese danish. [15:39] <_stink_> good call. [15:39] _stink_: seriously, there is no excuse for us to suffer non authentic with hamramick being so close [15:39] i was just saying that it MUCH more celebrated and better over in detroit, because of way more polish people. [15:39] here in ann arbor, its practically forgotten. [15:40] seems like someone would always stop in hamtrammik to get some and bring 'em in, when I worked in oakland county. [15:41] jrwren: should pick up some coffee flavored porter and just resign to the fact little will be accomplished today [15:41] jrwren: Well, it's not an hour's drive away both ways. [15:42] jrwren: That, and you'd have to give up a parking spot. [15:42] <_stink_> shit, WSU is like 5 minutes away from Hammytrammy [15:44] _stink_: And miss out on Olympia or Epicurius Place? [15:45] <_stink_> haha [15:45] <_stink_> or Byblos - now with *two* locations! [15:45] God, Epicurius probably has the same ketchup on the tables from when I was there [15:46] <_stink_> that building survived the big demolition along warren [15:46] * snap-l does miss the Potato PLace. [15:46] <_stink_> i should go there more. [15:46] good gumbo [15:46] _stink_: I think they'd need a hazmat team to demolish that building [15:46] <_stink_> snap-l: what years were you around here? [15:47] all of that greek grease [15:47] 1993-1994 [15:47] <_stink_> had the Welcome Center been built yet? [15:47] <_stink_> probbaly not, then [15:47] No, likely not [15:47] <_stink_> was Z's on the corner of Woodward/Warren then? [15:47] No [15:47] <_stink_> aight, just wondered. [15:48] the student union had a Friar Tucks, Tubbys, and Little Caesars [15:48] and an arcade [15:48] <_stink_> sounds better then than it is now. [15:48] With Samurai Showdown 2 [16:46] The company introduced a new 8 gigabyte Nook tablet on Tuesday for $199 and lowered the price for the Nook Color to $169 from $199. The first version of the tablet cost $249. [16:47] Considering you can only load 1GB of user content on-board, this is not a bad deal [16:48] sd card [16:48] Yeah, but I've yet to fill it [16:48] and cyanogenmod that thing [16:48] brousch: Getting closer. [17:33] heh, well someone is going for the "overboard title of the year" award: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/pzjay/nodejs_is_stupid_and_if_you_use_it_so_are_you/ [17:35] oh man, and painful to watch...don't know I'll make it through [17:39] and he really comes across as serious, so not getting any humor vibes out of it [17:41] I think there's a point where people will rebel against anything that's considered trendy [17:42] "I can't breathe anymore because too many people ar doing it." [17:44] Node.js is built on lies [17:44] Wow, way to frame an argument [17:45] Javascript is slow? Maybe back in 1995 [17:45] if the guy was giving a mug talk, I'd have walked out and left. I kept waiting for a punchline but never came [17:46] WEll, his basic assumptions are stupid [17:46] God, you could level any of his arguments against any language. [17:47] "Hello, nice video. I couldn't find your arguments. Where can I find them? Thanks" [17:48] Made it 2/3 of the way before I figured the bits could be better used for internet porn [17:48] yes, I can save you that trouble [17:54] Apparently he's a SEO douche too. [17:55] Also enjoys taking candy from children and punching baby seals [17:55] hah [18:03] so he helps to fight childhood obesity and is nicer than the people who club baby seals? [18:03] not so bad [18:05] Now do you nicely punch a baby seal? [18:05] Apparently you have some life-skills that I currently lack [18:07] see, they freak out when you approach, so you punch them just hard enough to daze them. then you can hide them from the seal clubbers [18:07] this is a canadian thing. where's tjagoda to back me up? [18:13] <_stink_> you guys seen this? i'm probably way behind the ball... http://devsigh.com [18:23] this ubuntu on android thing is what i dreamed of 7 years ago. a little box you carry around in your pocket and plug into monitors for a full desktop [18:24] http://devsigh.com/sigh/44 [18:24] i imagined using NX on a server somewhere with a little terminal client, but ok [18:25] <_stink_> this one is my favorite so far: http://devsigh.com/sigh/225 [18:30] man I love this 'old' x200s keyboard/screen/build quality [19:27] so, some people don't use gnome-do: can you explain how they are productive by not? [19:30] strange. i'm trying to dowload a big file from SF and it keeps killing my wifi [19:31] not my laptop's wifi, the wifi router's [19:31] too much ganje in the packets? [19:31] oh, you mean SourceForge ;) [19:32] s/ganje/ganja/ [19:33] greg-g: gmrun [19:37] rick_h: but, can I search for a filename/folder? [19:38] greg-g: no, just a shell to run apps/etc [19:38] why is there a goatse at the bottom of this ubuntu page? http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android [19:38] brousch: :) [19:38] if I need to search for anything it's locate and workit to the rescue [19:38] rick_h: yeah, unfortunately, that is about 70% of my gnome-do usage after the first 10 minutes of a reboot [19:38] bah, if only. mine is gnome-do + LibreOffice ;) [19:39] <_stink_> yeah, i fall on locate/find . a lot [19:40] brousch: Canonical designers having a joke on us [19:40] i blame rick_h [19:40] good plan! [19:40] I usually put everything in to a folder under known locations [19:41] projects for coding stuff, documents for writing stuff, and reference for stuff I'll want to refer later on [19:41] snap-l: right, but quickly getting to the location so you can get to a specific file is slow if you just nautilus or whatever [19:41] cd projects/ope[tab] [19:41] * greg-g is a bit more document driven than you crazy coders :P [19:42] Also, nautilus does text complete [19:42] Click on a folder, and type [19:42] Now that I've said that, it'll be removed two releases from now [19:42] zing! [19:44] Well, seems like anytime I get used to something, it changes in 50% good, and 50% WTF ways. [19:44] Like 11.10 no longer lets you use / to search for a particular path [19:44] (nautilus) [19:44] Bah, and just as soon as I said that, I tried it, and it made me a liar [19:44] thunar ftw [19:44] snap-l: yea, I think that got added back [19:45] it was removed at one point, but the power users ranted and railed [19:45] It's handy as hell [19:45] esp for hidden directories [19:45] right [19:46] greg-g: Now that we've completely talked around your use-case, are you good? :) [19:46] lol [19:47] snap-l: nope! ;) [19:47] Awesome [19:47] np: Eluveitie - Uxellodunon [19:47] actually, I'm just annoyed right now that gnome-do isn't being envoked consistently in Debian [19:48] I think since DBO started working on Unity, Gnome Do got a lot less attention [19:48] * greg-g nods [19:48] and RAOF [19:48] Christian Hales-Something [19:49] Was that the gent that we did the laptop-drive for? [19:49] hmmmm [19:49] maybe? [19:49] thought it was DBO [19:49] there's been a few of those in the past 2 years I can't keep them straight [19:49] well DBO was a laptop right? [19:50] Yeah I don't remember offhand [19:51] All I remember was jcastro mentioning something, and suddenly I was typing my credentials into Paypal [19:51] he has that effect on people. [20:14] dangerous [20:41] watching that javascript video... this guy is an idiot. [20:41] hahaha... doesn't understand what blocking is. LOLOLOL [21:02] Yeah, I thought that was precious [21:03] wat [21:03] blocking is what you do when you park your car infront of another car [21:27] hahahahah awesome [21:27] i'm running Lubuntu on my nook color [21:27] And? [21:27] and it works [21:28] some chroot+vnc magic [21:29] heh, thunderbird and gimp included [21:38] i think it's ubuntu 10.10. let's see if an update destroys it [21:40] wow, kind of hard on the battery [21:44] <_stink_> heh [21:45] Considering normal Ubuntu can be hard on batteries, I'm not surprised. [21:49] this is actually a pretty nice way to run it. i get the regular android taskbar, keyboard, and apps along with ubuntu [21:49] no silly gnome software keyboard that's a PITA [21:52] though i don't think it has much of an advvantage over VNCing to a remote server and using dropbox to sync files [21:59] so are you running lubuntu on your nook or just a vnc client? [21:59] lubuntu [22:00] but you use vnc to view it [22:00] it runs on android [22:00] <_stink_> like the UI runs on android? [22:00] <_stink_> on an X session or something? [22:00] VNC to a virtual X [22:00] http://goo.gl/UP7Vo [22:01] it runs a full lubuntu inside a chroot [22:01] but you have to use vnc to view the GUI [22:01] <_stink_> dizang [22:01] but still just the android-linux kernel. [22:01] ha, that is pretty cool. [22:02] <_stink_> now fire up eclipse inside lubuntu [22:02] oh geez [22:02] _stink_: hey, i guess you could develop android apps on android that way! [22:02] <_stink_> o/ [22:02] <_stink_> so meta. [22:03] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/screenshot-1329861965965.png [22:04] imagine running the android emulator inside ubuntu on android [22:04] that has to be incredibly painful [22:05] <_stink_> hahaha [22:05] <_stink_> i love it [22:06] i think i would get about 1-2 hours of usage out of this before the battery ran out [22:07] maybe 3 [22:08] is this how the new ubuntu on android from canonical works? [22:09] the speed is OK even on this single CPU 800MHz, but it's Lubuntu [22:09] time to run [22:40] hey rick_h [22:40] jcastro: yep [22:40] is there such thing as a vesa to vesa extender? [22:40] basically .... my arms are as high as they will go [22:40] vesa? [22:40] ah [22:40] but I need another siz inches to raise the panels [22:40] oh hmmm, ugh. [22:41] so I was thinking, a long plate, with holes [22:41] and I just mount it higher. [22:41] how will that get them taller? [22:41] you mean closer to your? [22:41] no, taller [22:41] like, instead of mounting the arm right to the back of the panel [22:41] no, the only thing I could think of would be to bolt a raised shelf on top of the desk [22:41] it's another bracker [22:41] and them move the arms to that shelf [22:42] os like, on my old ikea desk it had a small shelf 8" or so over the main large desk surface [22:42] I stuck my arms to that [22:43] shoot, you could build a simple u-shape with 3 blocks and c-clamp the blocks to the desk and the arms to the top of the new thing [22:44] jcastro: https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1fr_oZ-fT3tcteg7HhslFK0btdUQ6rZXHwHGOUA9A8_g/edit [22:45] hah [22:45] nice artwork [22:46] hey, it's what you get from the kitchen counter while I'm making dinner :P [22:47] this bracket has to exist [22:47] there's no way every single monitor arm is exactly the right size [22:47] I think most people change monitor arms [22:47] get one that has more height limitation, that's the issue with these is that they're cheaper, but not as flexible [23:24] hey rick [23:24] rick_h: you have an aeron right? [23:59] ah, cool, he has a 12.04 image in the works http://linuxonandroid.blogspot.com/