SamuraiAlbaGood bacon to all!!00:36
=== InHisName1 is now known as HowdyDoody
MutantTurkeyping pong01:07
teddy-dbearpong ping01:16
InHisNameking kong01:44
InHisNameHey SamuraiAlba, what did you snag from woot.com ?01:45
SamuraiAlbanothing yet01:52
SamuraiAlbaI do have an HP rack server tho01:52
SamuraiAlbaAnd I slept behind a holiday inn once01:52
SamuraiAlbano hobo01:52
InHisNameI slept under a bridge several different times.02:16
waltmanInHisName: What's your Hobo Name?02:17
InHisNameDidn't ever have one, bobo maybe ?02:18
teddy-dbearNotInHisName ;-)02:18
InHisNameSamuraiAlba: did you see the u-tube of Lasagna make with fast food ingredients.    18 big macs, 18 baconaerators, 18 some other fancy sandwich.   Lotta layers of bacon, cheese, and + 1 quart of big mac sauce.   Layer it all in 10" deep x 24 x 20 baking pan.   One of those extreame cooking shows on u-tube.02:22
InHisNameSamuraiAlba: this isn't the one but still way over top.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2s0aOhkjmY02:49
PennBotTitle: Barbaric Brutal Breakfast - Regular Ordinary Swedish Meal Time - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)02:49
tony__hiya anyone up... have a probably really simple enlightenment question05:15
tony__i'm using illume for a tablet...and can't figure out how to show just a wallpaper and not a long collection of icons.. -_-05:16
tony__googled and they said disabling some module i don't have :/05:16
rmg51morning JonathanD09:57
JonathanDwootoff, btw11:13
SamuraiAlbaI <3 Pizza!11:14
JonathanDHey SamuraiAlba11:14
SamuraiAlbaHow is it going?11:15
* SamuraiAlba points to shiny semi-new gently used rack11:15
JonathanDIt's going.11:15
* SamuraiAlba drools11:15
SamuraiAlbaHP Proliant DL380 G511:16
SamuraiAlbaDual Quad Xeon :)11:16
SamuraiAlbaNow running ...11:16
SamuraiAlbaUbuntu Server!11:16
SamuraiAlbanow at BASH PROMPT!11:16
SamuraiAlbasudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop...11:16
SamuraiAlba21 minutes to go LOL11:17
SamuraiAlbaI V3 prompts, but I need a gui11:19
SamuraiAlbanow to get Teamspeak server and CS:Source server...11:20
MutantTurkeyhey oh14:32
ChinnoDoggobble gobble14:45
MutantTurkeyping ponger14:51
ChinnoDogeat more bacon14:52
adommorning champs14:57
MutantTurkeytrying to implement mac like application switching in twin today14:59
MutantTurkeythat's my goal14:59
MutantTurkeyshould be easy15:05
MutantTurkeyxlib has a built in atom for wm_class15:05
MutantTurkeybasically a check if the other windows fit the current window class15:05
MutantTurkeynvm who wrote this crappy code15:36
MutantTurkeyI'm out15:36
MutantTurkeytime to go hangout with better coders...15:37
MutantTurkeykwin is the crappiest bloatiest crap of all time16:13
MutantTurkeyC++ is the crappiest bloatiest crap of all time16:13
* waltman confesses he kinda likes C++16:15
waltmanJava's way crappier and bloated than C++16:15
* EvilResistance gets PennBot to slap MutantTurkey16:16
MutantTurkeyc++ is crap16:16
EvilResistancefactoids might be a problem...16:16
MutantTurkeyit's so inconsitant and overly compicated16:16
* EvilResistance has been debugging the code, but cant figure out where its breaking16:16
MutantTurkeyI don't need to use object oriented bloat classes for every single structure...16:16
MutantTurkeyI don't need all this bloaty crap.16:16
MutantTurkeynot to mention the kde3 developers bloat the crap out of everything16:17
EvilResistance@bacon is <reply>BACON!16:17
PennBotI hear ya!16:17
EvilResistance... i think...16:17
waltmanI used to feel that way about C++, too. But two things happened soon after I started here at Drexel. First, I went to a talk by Bjarne Stroudstroup at Penn on how C++ is a better C than C.  Second, I met a now-former PhD student who was a C++ guru.16:17
waltmanNow the scales have fallen from my eyes.16:17
EvilResistance*ssh's into the system*16:18
waltmanthe stuff in STL is pretty awesome.16:18
waltmanNot that there's not sucky stuff in C++, of course. But when I'm writing my own C++ code I can generally stick to the non-sucky parts.16:19
EvilResistance@no bacon is <reply>The Almighty Food of Godliness16:20
PennBotTitle: C++ is Good for the Economy, It Creates Jobs! (at harmful.cat-v.org)16:20
EvilResistance@forget bacon16:20
PennBotI hear ya, EvilResistance.16:20
MutantTurkeyAlternatives: Thowing yourself into an active volcano16:20
EvilResistance@bacon is <reply>The Almighty Food of Godliness16:20
PennBotI hear ya, EvilResistance.16:21
PennBotThe Almighty Food of Godliness16:21
EvilResistanceit works!16:21
MutantTurkey@bacon is <reply> The Almighty Food of the Gods16:21
PennBot... but bacon is <reply>The Almighty Food of Godliness ...16:21
MutantTurkeythat is a more appropriate answer16:21
MutantTurkeythey said i could become anything so I became God.16:21
EvilResistance@forget bacon16:21
MutantTurkeywaltman: http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/OO_programming/16:21
PennBotTitle: Object Oriented Programming is Inherently Harmful (at harmful.cat-v.org)16:21
EvilResistance@bacon is <reply>The Almighty Food of the Gods!16:21
PennBot10-4, EvilResistance.16:21
waltmanYeah, OOP can definitely get out of hand.  Cocoa and iOS, for instance, where you've got to dig through a dozen levels of objects to find where the method you want is defined.16:23
waltmanMutantTurkey: Ever try to work with 2d or 3d arrays in C?  They suck.  In C++ I created a 2d array object lets you encapsulate all the crap with pointers so you're just passing one thing around.16:25
waltmanAnd because of inlining it's just as efficient as regular code. Maybe moreso, since in my object you know you've always just got a big contiguous block of memory.16:26
MutantTurkeywhat's wrong with pointers and why aren't you using structure?16:28
MutantTurkeyI understand there are definitely use cases for it of course16:29
MutantTurkeybut blanket slapping it on ever project is ridiculous16:29
waltmanI'm not sure what you mean by structure. That's what would be stored inside each element in the 2d array. And since C++ supports templates, one generic 2darray class can be used to arrays of ints, doubles, or Foos.16:36
MutantTurkeycan't you do a similar thing with structs and functions as what classes do?16:42
waltmanGenerally in C you do multidimensional arrays by creating an array of pointers. But they suck, because they're hard to define and you've got to remember to alloc and free the memory. C++ lets you encapsulate all that.16:55
waltmanMutantTurkey: You can. That's what the stdio library does with file pointers. But it's nice sometimes to have the methods and data all in one place.16:56
MutantTurkeyright on16:56
MutantTurkeyyou should just use a matrix library then :-)16:57
waltmanCompare doing matrix math in something like newmat vs blas :)16:59
waltmanor even gsl, which gives you a wrapper around blas.17:00
MutantTurkeyisn't blas terribly slow?17:01
* MutantTurkey vague memory17:02
waltmanNo, blas is pretty much the gold standard in speed. It's what matlab uses, for instance.17:03
waltmanIt's highly tuned fortran code.17:03
waltmanBut it's hard to use because the function calls have like a zillion options.17:04
waltmanYou can use those to make it run EVEN FASTER (there's a project at Drexel called ATLAS that does that) but it makes it hard for an end user to use directly.17:04
MutantTurkeyi thought matlab is crap too...17:12
* MutantTurkey is going to shut up17:13
JonathanDhi MutantTurkey18:12
MutantTurkeyhi :-)18:12
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ChinnoDogubuntu for android. yay19:22
ChinnoDogthat is only cool if it doesn't consume massive amounts of resources and slow the phone to a crawl19:23
Sadingrrrrr i need to reinstall my VPS operating system but im undecided between debian or CentOS20:15
PennBotI have no idea!20:23
MutantTurkey@next is <reply> Another Satisfied Customer! NEXT!20:23
PennBotAnother Satisfied Customer! NEXT20:23
Sadinhmmmm went with CentOS 620:25
Sadinsupport RedHat more20:25
MutantTurkeySadin: what why?20:30
MutantTurkeywhy do you need to support Redhat?20:30
MutantTurkeydebian is the obvious server choice...20:31
Sadin@sadin is <reply> A dude who loves Fedora and supports Redhat/Fedora/CentOS all the way.20:32
PennBotA dude who loves Fedora and supports Redhat/Fedora/CentOS all the way20:32
Sadinbesides debian and centOS are equals one is dpkg though and one is rpm20:32
MutantTurkeywhy do you always check it?20:38
MutantTurkeySadin: I think it's a bit more complicated than that :p20:38
SadinWith a server os yu want something with big release cycle and is stable.20:39
SadinDebian or CentOS are the only thing that pop in my mind20:39
Sadinno offence to ubuntu but id rather use its origin20:39
MutantTurkeythat's crazy20:42
MutantTurkeywhat you wantis arch20:42
MutantTurkeybleeding edge and probably going to break.20:42
PennBotAnother Satisfied Customer! NEXT20:42
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