[00:36] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all!!
[01:07] <MutantTurkey> ping pong
[01:16] <teddy-dbear> pong ping
[01:24] <SamuraiAlba> lol
[01:44] <InHisName> king kong
[01:45] <SamuraiAlba> woot
[01:45] <InHisName> Hey SamuraiAlba, what did you snag from woot.com ?
[01:52] <SamuraiAlba> nothing yet
[01:52] <SamuraiAlba> I do have an HP rack server tho
[01:52] <SamuraiAlba> And I slept behind a holiday inn once
[01:52] <SamuraiAlba> no hobo
[02:16] <InHisName> I slept under a bridge several different times.
[02:17] <waltman> InHisName: What's your Hobo Name?
[02:18] <InHisName> Didn't ever have one, bobo maybe ?
[02:18] <teddy-dbear> NotInHisName ;-)
[02:18] <waltman> InHisHoboName
[02:22] <InHisName> SamuraiAlba: did you see the u-tube of Lasagna make with fast food ingredients.    18 big macs, 18 baconaerators, 18 some other fancy sandwich.   Lotta layers of bacon, cheese, and + 1 quart of big mac sauce.   Layer it all in 10" deep x 24 x 20 baking pan.   One of those extreame cooking shows on u-tube.
[02:23] <InHisName> DowdyDoody
[02:49] <InHisName> SamuraiAlba: this isn't the one but still way over top.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2s0aOhkjmY
[02:49] <PennBot> Title: Barbaric Brutal Breakfast - Regular Ordinary Swedish Meal Time - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
[05:15] <tony__> hiya anyone up... have a probably really simple enlightenment question
[05:16] <tony__> i'm using illume for a tablet...and can't figure out how to show just a wallpaper and not a long collection of icons.. -_-
[05:16] <tony__> googled and they said disabling some module i don't have :/
[08:23] <JonathanD> Morning.
[09:57] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[10:55] <SamuraiAlba> mornin
[11:13] <JonathanD> wootoff, btw
[11:14] <SamuraiAlba> Mornin!
[11:14] <SamuraiAlba> I <3 Pizza!
[11:14] <JonathanD> Hey SamuraiAlba
[11:15] <SamuraiAlba> Mornin!
[11:15] <SamuraiAlba> How is it going?
[11:15]  * SamuraiAlba points to shiny semi-new gently used rack
[11:15] <JonathanD> It's going.
[11:15]  * SamuraiAlba drools
[11:15] <JonathanD> rack?
[11:16] <SamuraiAlba> HP Proliant DL380 G5
[11:16] <SamuraiAlba> Dual Quad Xeon :)
[11:16] <SamuraiAlba> Now running ...
[11:16] <SamuraiAlba> Ubuntu Server!
[11:16] <SamuraiAlba> now at BASH PROMPT!
[11:16] <SamuraiAlba> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop...
[11:17] <SamuraiAlba> 21 minutes to go LOL
[11:19] <SamuraiAlba> I V3 prompts, but I need a gui
[11:19] <SamuraiAlba> *<3
[11:20] <SamuraiAlba> now to get Teamspeak server and CS:Source server...
[13:01] <MutantTurkey> zzzz
[13:09] <teddy-dbear> morning
[14:32] <MutantTurkey> hey oh
[14:45] <ChinnoDog> gobble gobble
[14:51] <MutantTurkey> ping ponger
[14:52] <ChinnoDog> eat more bacon
[14:57] <adom> morning champs
[14:59] <MutantTurkey> trying to implement mac like application switching in twin today
[14:59] <MutantTurkey> that's my goal
[15:05] <MutantTurkey> should be easy
[15:05] <MutantTurkey> xlib has a built in atom for wm_class
[15:05] <MutantTurkey> basically a check if the other windows fit the current window class
[15:36] <MutantTurkey> nvm who wrote this crappy code
[15:36] <MutantTurkey> I'm out
[15:37] <MutantTurkey> time to go hangout with better coders...
[16:13] <MutantTurkey> kwin is the crappiest bloatiest crap of all time
[16:13] <MutantTurkey> C++ is the crappiest bloatiest crap of all time
[16:15]  * waltman confesses he kinda likes C++
[16:15] <waltman> Java's way crappier and bloated than C++
[16:16]  * EvilResistance gets PennBot to slap MutantTurkey
[16:16] <EvilResistance> hmm
[16:16] <MutantTurkey> c++ is crap
[16:16] <EvilResistance> factoids might be a problem...
[16:16] <MutantTurkey> it's so inconsitant and overly compicated
[16:16]  * EvilResistance has been debugging the code, but cant figure out where its breaking
[16:16] <MutantTurkey> I don't need to use object oriented bloat classes for every single structure...
[16:16] <MutantTurkey> I don't need all this bloaty crap.
[16:17] <MutantTurkey> not to mention the kde3 developers bloat the crap out of everything
[16:17] <EvilResistance> @bacon is <reply>BACON!
[16:17] <PennBot> I hear ya!
[16:17] <MutantTurkey> bacon?
[16:17] <PennBot> BACON
[16:17] <EvilResistance> w00t
[16:17] <EvilResistance> ... i think...
[16:17] <waltman> I used to feel that way about C++, too. But two things happened soon after I started here at Drexel. First, I went to a talk by Bjarne Stroudstroup at Penn on how C++ is a better C than C.  Second, I met a now-former PhD student who was a C++ guru.
[16:17] <waltman> Now the scales have fallen from my eyes.
[16:18] <EvilResistance> *ssh's into the system*
[16:18] <waltman> the stuff in STL is pretty awesome.
[16:19] <waltman> Not that there's not sucky stuff in C++, of course. But when I'm writing my own C++ code I can generally stick to the non-sucky parts.
[16:20] <EvilResistance> @no bacon is <reply>The Almighty Food of Godliness
[16:20] <PennBot> 10-4.
[16:20] <EvilResistance> bacon?
[16:20] <PennBot> BACON
[16:20] <EvilResistance> bleh
[16:20] <MutantTurkey> http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/
[16:20] <PennBot> Title: C++ is Good for the Economy, It Creates Jobs! (at harmful.cat-v.org)
[16:20] <MutantTurkey> enjoy
[16:20] <EvilResistance> @forget bacon
[16:20] <PennBot> I hear ya, EvilResistance.
[16:20] <EvilResistance> bacon?
[16:20] <EvilResistance> :P
[16:20] <MutantTurkey> Alternatives: Thowing yourself into an active volcano
[16:20] <EvilResistance> @bacon is <reply>The Almighty Food of Godliness
[16:21] <PennBot> I hear ya, EvilResistance.
[16:21] <EvilResistance> bacon?
[16:21] <PennBot> The Almighty Food of Godliness
[16:21] <EvilResistance> :)
[16:21] <EvilResistance> it works!
[16:21] <MutantTurkey> @bacon is <reply> The Almighty Food of the Gods
[16:21] <PennBot> ... but bacon is <reply>The Almighty Food of Godliness ...
[16:21] <MutantTurkey> that is a more appropriate answer
[16:21] <MutantTurkey> they said i could become anything so I became God.
[16:21] <EvilResistance> @forget bacon
[16:21] <PennBot> Gotcha!
[16:21] <MutantTurkey> waltman: http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/OO_programming/
[16:21] <PennBot> Title: Object Oriented Programming is Inherently Harmful (at harmful.cat-v.org)
[16:21] <EvilResistance> @bacon is <reply>The Almighty Food of the Gods!
[16:21] <PennBot> 10-4, EvilResistance.
[16:23] <waltman> Yeah, OOP can definitely get out of hand.  Cocoa and iOS, for instance, where you've got to dig through a dozen levels of objects to find where the method you want is defined.
[16:25] <waltman> MutantTurkey: Ever try to work with 2d or 3d arrays in C?  They suck.  In C++ I created a 2d array object lets you encapsulate all the crap with pointers so you're just passing one thing around.
[16:26] <waltman> And because of inlining it's just as efficient as regular code. Maybe moreso, since in my object you know you've always just got a big contiguous block of memory.
[16:28] <MutantTurkey> what's wrong with pointers and why aren't you using structure?
[16:29] <MutantTurkey> I understand there are definitely use cases for it of course
[16:29] <MutantTurkey> but blanket slapping it on ever project is ridiculous
[16:36] <waltman> I'm not sure what you mean by structure. That's what would be stored inside each element in the 2d array. And since C++ supports templates, one generic 2darray class can be used to arrays of ints, doubles, or Foos.
[16:42] <MutantTurkey> can't you do a similar thing with structs and functions as what classes do?
[16:55] <waltman> Generally in C you do multidimensional arrays by creating an array of pointers. But they suck, because they're hard to define and you've got to remember to alloc and free the memory. C++ lets you encapsulate all that.
[16:56] <waltman> MutantTurkey: You can. That's what the stdio library does with file pointers. But it's nice sometimes to have the methods and data all in one place.
[16:56] <MutantTurkey> right on
[16:57] <MutantTurkey> you should just use a matrix library then :-)
[16:59] <waltman> Compare doing matrix math in something like newmat vs blas :)
[17:00] <waltman> or even gsl, which gives you a wrapper around blas.
[17:01] <MutantTurkey> isn't blas terribly slow?
[17:02]  * MutantTurkey vague memory
[17:03] <waltman> No, blas is pretty much the gold standard in speed. It's what matlab uses, for instance.
[17:03] <waltman> It's highly tuned fortran code.
[17:04] <waltman> But it's hard to use because the function calls have like a zillion options.
[17:04] <waltman> You can use those to make it run EVEN FASTER (there's a project at Drexel called ATLAS that does that) but it makes it hard for an end user to use directly.
[17:12] <MutantTurkey> i thought matlab is crap too...
[17:12] <MutantTurkey> :p
[17:13]  * MutantTurkey is going to shut up
[18:11] <MutantTurkey> wooop
[18:12] <JonathanD> hi MutantTurkey
[18:12] <MutantTurkey> hi :-)
[19:22] <ChinnoDog> ubuntu for android. yay
[19:23] <ChinnoDog> that is only cool if it doesn't consume massive amounts of resources and slow the phone to a crawl
[20:15] <Sadin> grrrrr i need to reinstall my VPS operating system but im undecided between debian or CentOS
[20:23] <MutantTurkey> debian.
[20:23] <MutantTurkey> DUH
[20:23] <MutantTurkey> NEXT
[20:23] <MutantTurkey> @next
[20:23] <PennBot> I have no idea!
[20:23] <MutantTurkey> @next is <reply> Another Satisfied Customer! NEXT!
[20:23] <PennBot> Okay.
[20:23] <MutantTurkey> @next
[20:23] <PennBot> Another Satisfied Customer! NEXT
[20:25] <Sadin> hmmmm went with CentOS 6
[20:25] <Sadin> support RedHat more
[20:30] <MutantTurkey> Sadin: what why?
[20:30] <MutantTurkey> why do you need to support Redhat?
[20:31] <MutantTurkey> debian is the obvious server choice...
[20:32] <Sadin> @sadin is <reply> A dude who loves Fedora and supports Redhat/Fedora/CentOS all the way.
[20:32] <PennBot> 10-4.
[20:32] <Sadin> @sadin
[20:32] <PennBot> A dude who loves Fedora and supports Redhat/Fedora/CentOS all the way
[20:32] <Sadin> :D
[20:32] <Sadin> besides debian and centOS are equals one is dpkg though and one is rpm
[20:38] <MutantTurkey> why do you always check it?
[20:38] <MutantTurkey> Sadin: I think it's a bit more complicated than that :p
[20:39] <Sadin> With a server os yu want something with big release cycle and is stable.
[20:39] <Sadin> Debian or CentOS are the only thing that pop in my mind
[20:39] <Sadin> no offence to ubuntu but id rather use its origin
[20:42] <MutantTurkey> that's crazy
[20:42] <MutantTurkey> what you wantis arch
[20:42] <MutantTurkey> bleeding edge and probably going to break.
[20:42] <MutantTurkey> :p
[20:42] <MutantTurkey> next
[20:42] <MutantTurkey> @next
[20:42] <PennBot> Another Satisfied Customer! NEXT
[22:48] <jedijf> phrik thief