[00:36] Good bacon to all!! === InHisName1 is now known as HowdyDoody [01:07] ping pong [01:16] pong ping [01:24] lol [01:44] king kong [01:45] woot [01:45] Hey SamuraiAlba, what did you snag from woot.com ? [01:52] nothing yet [01:52] I do have an HP rack server tho [01:52] And I slept behind a holiday inn once [01:52] no hobo [02:16] I slept under a bridge several different times. [02:17] InHisName: What's your Hobo Name? [02:18] Didn't ever have one, bobo maybe ? [02:18] NotInHisName ;-) [02:18] InHisHoboName [02:22] SamuraiAlba: did you see the u-tube of Lasagna make with fast food ingredients. 18 big macs, 18 baconaerators, 18 some other fancy sandwich. Lotta layers of bacon, cheese, and + 1 quart of big mac sauce. Layer it all in 10" deep x 24 x 20 baking pan. One of those extreame cooking shows on u-tube. [02:23] DowdyDoody [02:49] SamuraiAlba: this isn't the one but still way over top. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2s0aOhkjmY [02:49] Title: Barbaric Brutal Breakfast - Regular Ordinary Swedish Meal Time - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) [05:15] hiya anyone up... have a probably really simple enlightenment question [05:16] i'm using illume for a tablet...and can't figure out how to show just a wallpaper and not a long collection of icons.. -_- [05:16] googled and they said disabling some module i don't have :/ [08:23] Morning. [09:57] morning JonathanD [10:55] mornin [11:13] wootoff, btw [11:14] Mornin! [11:14] I <3 Pizza! [11:14] Hey SamuraiAlba [11:15] Mornin! [11:15] How is it going? [11:15] * SamuraiAlba points to shiny semi-new gently used rack [11:15] It's going. [11:15] * SamuraiAlba drools [11:15] rack? [11:16] HP Proliant DL380 G5 [11:16] Dual Quad Xeon :) [11:16] Now running ... [11:16] Ubuntu Server! [11:16] now at BASH PROMPT! [11:16] sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop... [11:17] 21 minutes to go LOL [11:19] I V3 prompts, but I need a gui [11:19] *<3 [11:20] now to get Teamspeak server and CS:Source server... [13:01] zzzz [13:09] morning [14:32] hey oh [14:45] gobble gobble [14:51] ping ponger [14:52] eat more bacon [14:57] morning champs [14:59] trying to implement mac like application switching in twin today [14:59] that's my goal [15:05] should be easy [15:05] xlib has a built in atom for wm_class [15:05] basically a check if the other windows fit the current window class [15:36] nvm who wrote this crappy code [15:36] I'm out [15:37] time to go hangout with better coders... [16:13] kwin is the crappiest bloatiest crap of all time [16:13] C++ is the crappiest bloatiest crap of all time [16:15] * waltman confesses he kinda likes C++ [16:15] Java's way crappier and bloated than C++ [16:16] * EvilResistance gets PennBot to slap MutantTurkey [16:16] hmm [16:16] c++ is crap [16:16] factoids might be a problem... [16:16] it's so inconsitant and overly compicated [16:16] * EvilResistance has been debugging the code, but cant figure out where its breaking [16:16] I don't need to use object oriented bloat classes for every single structure... [16:16] I don't need all this bloaty crap. [16:17] not to mention the kde3 developers bloat the crap out of everything [16:17] @bacon is BACON! [16:17] I hear ya! [16:17] bacon? [16:17] BACON [16:17] w00t [16:17] ... i think... [16:17] I used to feel that way about C++, too. But two things happened soon after I started here at Drexel. First, I went to a talk by Bjarne Stroudstroup at Penn on how C++ is a better C than C. Second, I met a now-former PhD student who was a C++ guru. [16:17] Now the scales have fallen from my eyes. [16:18] *ssh's into the system* [16:18] the stuff in STL is pretty awesome. [16:19] Not that there's not sucky stuff in C++, of course. But when I'm writing my own C++ code I can generally stick to the non-sucky parts. [16:20] @no bacon is The Almighty Food of Godliness [16:20] 10-4. [16:20] bacon? [16:20] BACON [16:20] bleh [16:20] http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/ [16:20] Title: C++ is Good for the Economy, It Creates Jobs! (at harmful.cat-v.org) [16:20] enjoy [16:20] @forget bacon [16:20] I hear ya, EvilResistance. [16:20] bacon? [16:20] :P [16:20] Alternatives: Thowing yourself into an active volcano [16:20] @bacon is The Almighty Food of Godliness [16:21] I hear ya, EvilResistance. [16:21] bacon? [16:21] The Almighty Food of Godliness [16:21] :) [16:21] it works! [16:21] @bacon is The Almighty Food of the Gods [16:21] ... but bacon is The Almighty Food of Godliness ... [16:21] that is a more appropriate answer [16:21] they said i could become anything so I became God. [16:21] @forget bacon [16:21] Gotcha! [16:21] waltman: http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/OO_programming/ [16:21] Title: Object Oriented Programming is Inherently Harmful (at harmful.cat-v.org) [16:21] @bacon is The Almighty Food of the Gods! [16:21] 10-4, EvilResistance. [16:23] Yeah, OOP can definitely get out of hand. Cocoa and iOS, for instance, where you've got to dig through a dozen levels of objects to find where the method you want is defined. [16:25] MutantTurkey: Ever try to work with 2d or 3d arrays in C? They suck. In C++ I created a 2d array object lets you encapsulate all the crap with pointers so you're just passing one thing around. [16:26] And because of inlining it's just as efficient as regular code. Maybe moreso, since in my object you know you've always just got a big contiguous block of memory. [16:28] what's wrong with pointers and why aren't you using structure? [16:29] I understand there are definitely use cases for it of course [16:29] but blanket slapping it on ever project is ridiculous [16:36] I'm not sure what you mean by structure. That's what would be stored inside each element in the 2d array. And since C++ supports templates, one generic 2darray class can be used to arrays of ints, doubles, or Foos. [16:42] can't you do a similar thing with structs and functions as what classes do? [16:55] Generally in C you do multidimensional arrays by creating an array of pointers. But they suck, because they're hard to define and you've got to remember to alloc and free the memory. C++ lets you encapsulate all that. [16:56] MutantTurkey: You can. That's what the stdio library does with file pointers. But it's nice sometimes to have the methods and data all in one place. [16:56] right on [16:57] you should just use a matrix library then :-) [16:59] Compare doing matrix math in something like newmat vs blas :) [17:00] or even gsl, which gives you a wrapper around blas. [17:01] isn't blas terribly slow? [17:02] * MutantTurkey vague memory [17:03] No, blas is pretty much the gold standard in speed. It's what matlab uses, for instance. [17:03] It's highly tuned fortran code. [17:04] But it's hard to use because the function calls have like a zillion options. [17:04] You can use those to make it run EVEN FASTER (there's a project at Drexel called ATLAS that does that) but it makes it hard for an end user to use directly. [17:12] i thought matlab is crap too... [17:12] :p [17:13] * MutantTurkey is going to shut up [18:11] wooop [18:12] hi MutantTurkey [18:12] hi :-) === cythes is now known as cythes|afk [19:22] ubuntu for android. yay [19:23] that is only cool if it doesn't consume massive amounts of resources and slow the phone to a crawl [20:15] grrrrr i need to reinstall my VPS operating system but im undecided between debian or CentOS [20:23] debian. [20:23] DUH [20:23] NEXT [20:23] @next [20:23] I have no idea! [20:23] @next is Another Satisfied Customer! NEXT! [20:23] Okay. [20:23] @next [20:23] Another Satisfied Customer! NEXT [20:25] hmmmm went with CentOS 6 [20:25] support RedHat more [20:30] Sadin: what why? [20:30] why do you need to support Redhat? [20:31] debian is the obvious server choice... [20:32] @sadin is A dude who loves Fedora and supports Redhat/Fedora/CentOS all the way. [20:32] 10-4. [20:32] @sadin [20:32] A dude who loves Fedora and supports Redhat/Fedora/CentOS all the way [20:32] :D [20:32] besides debian and centOS are equals one is dpkg though and one is rpm [20:38] why do you always check it? [20:38] Sadin: I think it's a bit more complicated than that :p [20:39] With a server os yu want something with big release cycle and is stable. [20:39] Debian or CentOS are the only thing that pop in my mind [20:39] no offence to ubuntu but id rather use its origin [20:42] that's crazy [20:42] what you wantis arch [20:42] bleeding edge and probably going to break. [20:42] :p [20:42] next [20:42] @next [20:42] Another Satisfied Customer! NEXT [22:48] phrik thief