[13:22] <slaskis> when a script fails to start, can i get a log somewhere on what failed?
[14:57] <SpamapS> slaskis: the latest version of upstart, 1.4, has automatic logging of job output built in
[14:57] <slaskis> SpamapS: great, i'm working on upgrading my ubuntu now to get a newer upstart...
[14:57] <SpamapS> slaskis: prior versions, you'll need to pipe output to something like logger, or to a file
[14:59] <SpamapS> slaskis: heh.. precise is the only version that has this.. so be aware that you are upgrading to an alpha version of ubuntu. :)
[14:59] <slaskis> SpamapS: i wasn't aware that precise existed until it upgraded to it
[14:59] <slaskis> and being alpha explains why it doesn't start ;/
[15:02] <SpamapS> slaskis: typically the best wway to do upgrades is 'do-release-upgrade', I presume you dist-upgraded after changing sources.list ?
[15:02] <slaskis> i did do-release-upgrade
[15:02] <SpamapS> ah
[15:02] <SpamapS> and you're getting a fail to boot?
[15:04] <slaskis> yeah, well unfortunately i followed this http://wiki.slicehost.com/doku.php?id=upgrade_ubuntu-server_lts_to_lts and since i kept getting "no new release" (although I knew that 10.04 was not the latest) i used --devel-release and got the alpha one…it's not the end of the world as i'm playing with a vm but still
[15:30] <SpamapS> slaskis: would be very interested to hear how it is failing to boot.. now is the time to fix those bugs
[15:30] <slaskis> SpamapS: it's this issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/936667
[15:31] <slaskis> you don't happen to know how i can "add --no-log as a kernel option" ?
[15:32] <SpamapS> slaskis: what kind of VM is this? on physical systems you add it at grub boot time
[15:32] <slaskis> it's a linode instance
[15:32] <slaskis> so, i guess kvm?
[15:34] <slaskis> i managed to boot with "init=/bin/bash" 
[15:34] <slaskis> where i don't get those logs 
[15:34] <SpamapS> slaskis: ah, you can probably manually bring up the network and install an earlier version of upstart that doesn't have logging enabled
[15:35] <SpamapS> slaskis: wait, if you can say 'init=/bin/bash' you can say, in the same place, --no-log
[15:35] <slaskis> SpamapS: unfortunately not :/ it's a simple radio select in a web interface
[15:36] <slaskis> options are "default run level", "single user mode" and "init=/bin/bash"
[15:38] <SpamapS> slaskis: hrm.. you need upstart 1.4-0ubuntu6
[15:45] <slaskis> SpamapS: ah, I have 1.4.0ubuntu8 now
[15:49] <slaskis> how would i install an older version, doesn't seem like apt-get is usable in this console
[15:49] <slaskis> "Unable to write to /var/cache/apt/" 
[15:50] <SpamapS> slaskis: mount / -o remount,rw
[15:51] <SpamapS> slaskis: make sure, before you exit your shell, that you 'mount / -o remount,ro'
[15:51] <slaskis> SpamapS: ooh, it only mounts read only
[15:51] <slaskis> thanks
[15:52] <slaskis> ok, another noob question then :P how do i make apt-get find an older package? "apt-get install upstart=1.4.0ubuntu6" doesn't find that version (because it's not in the cache?)
[17:02] <kklimonda> JanC: thanks, it looks like that I'be been looking for