[00:02] <limescout> hey, just installed the latest version of xubuntu on my laptop, it's going good so far
[00:07] <godmachine-e350> whats the deal with grub not being displayed at boot and the monitor being shut off after POST until the display manager initializes X ?
[00:08] <godmachine-e350> i've installed 3 xubuntu installs (2 of them 11.10, 1 of them 12.04) all of them don't give me a grub menu at boot, and the display doesn't come up until after the X session starts
[00:09] <godmachine-e350> i know its not just the "quiet" or "nosplash" kernel lines, because grub doesn't even display the menu at all.  i tried to mess with it with grub-customizer + startupmanager and couldn't figure out what the deal was.
[00:32] <holstein> starn: the performance of the windows driver on that hardware is irrelavant... the *entire* device, including *all* jacks is what you are entering there
[00:33] <starn> holstein: ok.. and what if the ubuntu drivers don't see all the jacks? i would assume something is configured wrongly.. i been readin http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1585047
[00:36] <starn> be right back.
[00:47] <starn> holstein: hey i got it to detect more than one device... kinda.. it's actually detecting sub device now..
[01:08] <user1_> guys, anyone got a background with the plymouth SOLAR THEME in 1366x768 res??
[01:10] <user1_> I want to make the login bg the same as the splash
[01:10] <user1_> having difficulties doing it
[01:50] <holstein> starn: not really though.. if you only have the one device..
[01:56] <holstein> starn: whats really going to make a difference is either the kernel or the ALSA version.. thats why i suggested live CD, since that is an easy way to try different versions and not break something
[02:07] <popsch> which command line utility can play wav files?
[02:14] <popsch> the answer is vlc with the dummy interface: vlc -I dummy %s
[02:25] <dankitchen> w
[02:50] <starn> how do i find my alsa verion holstein ?
[04:11] <hackview> I am currently running the latest version of ubuntu from the ubuntu site not xubuntu. I am not a big fan of the changes made to the interface (unity?). My Q: Is there an easy upgrade/package I can install in ubuntu to transform ubuntu into xubuntu?
[04:12] <hackview> reinstalls suck when you have everything setup the way you like it, minus the interesting new interface w/ the latest version of ubuntu, might be switching to xubuntu =)
[04:14] <hackview> no ideas? I'm running out of PC's and partitions for all my endeavors. I will lurk for a moment and see if someone answers :) thanks
[04:43] <holstein> hackview: xubuntu-desktop
[04:43] <holstein> or just XFCE...
[04:44] <Unit193> !purexfce |or if you wish this
[05:32] <xchrisx> hey guys, i'm having trouble installing xubuntu.. i can run the livecd just fine but when i try to install and restart my comp, the system hangs
[05:33] <xchrisx> where should i start for debugging?
[08:10] <nicofs> what is the/a recommended alternative to cheese? I just want to take pictures with my webcam...
[08:11] <nicofs> cheese and all the files needed would take up 75MB of hdd space... that's just too much...
[08:13] <Marzata> and your hdd is 20 MB?
[08:13] <nicofs> Marzata, my dl allowance is limited
[08:13] <nicofs> hdd is 4GB
[08:14] <Marzata> flash drives are even more
[08:14] <nicofs> Marzata, my hdd is an eMMC and thus more or less a flash drive...
[10:01] <gour> today i'm going to put latest xubuntu on my friend's netbook and wonder whether images can be used with usb stick?
[10:04] <Myrtti> they should work fine
[10:05] <mongy> gour: if you mean booting the iso itself, then yes.
[10:06] <mongy> gour: well, either way, you can put it to usb stick like 3 different ways.
[10:54] <gour> mongy: excuse me, was afk...
[10:56] <gour> mongy: so, i can just dd iso to the stick?
[11:09] <mongy> gour: yup
[11:11] <gour> mongy: thanks..already doing it
[11:11] <mongy> I just a stick with grub2 on then it's a matter of copying a file over anytime I wanna put something differnet on
[11:13] <gour> heh, on arch i use syslinux as loader
[11:15] <gour> but maybe using (default) grub2 is more shining which is important for my (she) friend :-)
[11:15] <mongy> nothing shiny about it, unless you set it up to be
[11:17] <mongy> meh, hilights script is not doing what it's supposed to.  not showing me mentions/pm
[11:17] <gour> which client?
[11:20] <mongy> irssi
[11:21] <mongy> brb
[11:21] <gour> my weechat script is also complaining sometime, but i get hilight
[11:21] <gour> let me try if usb stick boots
[11:22] <hobgoblin> mongy: working now?
[11:23] <mongy> hobgoblin: apparently not :(
[11:24] <hobgoblin> :(
[11:24] <hobgoblin> I would help - but I ran away screaming from weechat
[11:25] <mongy> let me try again.
[11:29] <hobgoblin> mongy: working now perhaps?
[11:29] <hobgoblin> but I gtg
[11:30] <mongy> yup
[11:38]  * gour is installing alternate version under vbox
[11:44] <duelle> Hi, sometimes my system doesn't boot up to the window manager. After switching to a tty and manually starting lightdm everything works as intended. In my Xorg log there is a line that said: "fatal error: no screens found"
[12:12] <duelle>  Hi, recently my system (Xubuntu 11.10) sometimes doesn't boot to the window manager and stops somewhere in the boot process. By switching to TTY and starting my window manager service (lightdm)  manually, it starts up correctly and seems to work. Here you can find log outputs that could be helpful: http://pastebin.com/LHVFwMqG
[12:18] <duelle>  Hi, recently my system (Xubuntu 11.10) sometimes doesn't boot to the window manager and stops somewhere in the boot process. By switching to TTY and starting my window manager service (lightdm)  manually, it starts up correctly and seems to work. Here you can find log outputs that could be helpful: http://pastebin.com/LHVFwMqG (and here my xorg.conf)
[12:18] <duelle> http://pastebin.com/mLzen4p5
[12:23] <bazhang> what about using nomodeset
[12:23] <bazhang> !nomodeset
[12:26] <duelle> bazhang, The thing is, that this problem occurs just in about 1 of 3 boots and not every time. So the driver and the config should be ok? Or is there anything that changes every time?
[12:27] <bazhang> duelle, what graphics card and what driver
[12:27] <duelle> nvidia GeForce GTS450 and the xubuntu recommended driver version 280.13 (from "additional drivers")
[12:28] <bazhang> hmm thats odd
[12:29] <duelle> And this problem occured  the first time just 1 or 2 days ago. I didn't change anything graphic-driver related. The only "system" changes i made were the recommended updates by update manager ..
[12:32] <ThePendulum> Greetings
[12:32] <ThePendulum> How do I find out the MAC address in (X)Ubuntu?
[12:32] <ThePendulum> Wait. ifconfig > HWaddr?
[12:33] <duelle> yes ;)
[12:33] <ThePendulum> Thanks :)
[12:33] <ThePendulum> Is there anything I need to set within (X)Ubuntu for Wake-on-LAN to work?
[12:36] <duelle> ThePendulum, didn't ever try that, but found http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=234588 and http://www.blog.highub.com/php/php-core/set-ubuntu-up-for-wake-on-lan/ perhaps that helps?
[12:37] <ThePendulum> Thanks, I'll read that then :)
[12:38] <ThePendulum> Haha, 'dialup friendly', haven't seen that in a while
[12:40] <duelle> :D I can't tell you anymore about that .. as I said .. didn't ever try it ..
[12:40] <duelle> Good luck
[12:41] <ThePendulum> Thanks :)
[12:41] <ThePendulum> I think it's going to be quite neat to be able to start and control my computer using just my phone, lol
[12:54] <xubuntu648> hi
[12:54] <xubuntu648> any one here
[12:55] <xubuntu648> my mouse is not working help please?
[12:57] <ThePendulum> Have you tried another mouse, to be sure it's not a hardware failure?
[12:57] <xubuntu648> yup i have windows and its working there?
[12:57] <ThePendulum> That's rather strange
[12:57] <ThePendulum> You're on Windows now?
[12:57] <ThePendulum> Or another system?
[12:58] <xubuntu648> its just a fresh install of x 11.10
[12:58] <ThePendulum> I mean right now
[12:58] <ThePendulum> Are you using Xubuntu without a cursor at this moment?
[12:58] <xubuntu648> yup
[12:58] <ThePendulum> Kudos to you in the first place, lol
[12:59] <ThePendulum> Is the cursor stuck somewhere, or just completely invisible?
[12:59] <xubuntu648> stuck
[12:59] <xubuntu648> in the middle
[13:00] <ThePendulum> Is your mouse wireless or wired?
[13:00] <xubuntu648> wired mouse of hp
[13:00] <ThePendulum> They make mouses now?
[13:01] <ThePendulum> Anyway, I assume you have tried to replug it?
[13:01] <xubuntu648> nope not yet :P
[13:01] <ThePendulum> Well, get your ass of that chair and try it! :P
[13:02] <xubuntu648> nope not worked xD
[13:03] <duelle> Whats the exact name of that mouse? Perhaps there are any known issues on the net?
[13:04] <xubuntu648> idk its 5 years old and its sticker is faded
[13:05] <duelle> xubuntu648, so it doesn't have any futuristic features that could be the cause for the missing support or anything like that ;)
[13:05] <duelle> ?
[13:05] <TheSheep> xubuntu648: is that an usb mouse or a com mouse?
[13:05] <xubuntu648> nope its working perfectly in ubuntu 11.04
[13:05] <xubuntu648> but a wired fuck has happed
[13:05] <xubuntu648> now!
[13:06] <duelle> ?^^
[13:06] <TheSheep> !language
[13:06] <xubuntu648> com mouse
[13:06] <xubuntu648> oow
[13:06] <TheSheep> xubuntu648: com mouse won't work out of the box, you need to configure them in xorg.conf
[13:06] <xubuntu648> how?
[13:06] <TheSheep> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[13:08] <xubuntu648> ok i will try thanx for help
[13:09] <duelle> Good luck
[13:18] <ThePendulum> Alright, my PC is able to wake up from Hibernation now
[13:18] <ThePendulum> Pity I can't wake it up from complete off
[13:18] <ThePendulum> !language
[13:18] <ThePendulum> Aha
[16:00] <sandra> G'day my fellow Xubuntu inmates :-)
[16:01] <sandra> I trust you are all doing well today :-)
[16:05] <sandra> I was hoping that someone here could be kind of enough to tell me how I get Xfce speaker icon in the tool bar to act like the Ubuntu speaker icon which works well with Pulseaudio and can perform simple tasks such as switching from my built in mic and speakers to my wireless USB headset.
[16:07] <sandra> I truly enjoy what I am seeing in Xubuntu but that nagging inability to make the switch from laptops internal speakers and mic to my wireless usb headset and not work is very annoying. Thank you for your thoughtful answers in advance :-)
[16:09] <holstein> sandra: i use pavucontrol
[16:18] <sandra> holstein, Thank you so much for your help. But is there no way to use the gnome sound applet found in Ubuntu and use it in Xubuntu ? There was a ubuntu based Xfce distro that achieved it but is no longer active. I thought if they could do it why not Xubuntu ?
[16:21] <sandra> holstein, I think it would make Xubuntu more user friendly for basic sound tasks.
[16:27] <Marzata> xubuntu LTS is based on debian testing?
[16:27] <sandra> I hope Xubuntu considers using the Ubuntu sound applet to make audio switching tasks that much easier until Xfce can create comparable audio program.
[16:28] <sandra> Marzata, Yes it is
[16:29] <sandra> Marzata, But Ubuntu has it's own customizations that it add's to the Debian Testing kernel.
[16:30] <Marzata> and regular versions are based on debian unstable?
[16:31] <sandra> Marzata, ubuntu does use it yes
[16:33] <Marzata> so LTS are based on different debian?
[16:34] <sandra> Marzata, For Ubuntu's customized use yes.
[16:35] <Marzata> what ubuntu customizations are added to debian tested?
[16:43] <sandra> Marzata, I have no idea specifically what those customizations may be unfortunately.
[16:43] <sandra> But got to love Google :-)
[16:43] <Marzata> love machines?
[16:56] <gour> any advice how big root (lvm) partition to use for x86_64 install?
[16:57] <gour> putting xubuntu on my friend's netbook and want to partition disk Small /boot, root & home
[16:57] <gour> another question, how big swap for netbook with 4GB memory?
[16:59] <Marzata> 10 GB is OK
[16:59] <Marzata> swap min like the mem
[16:59] <gour> ok, thanks
[17:00] <Unit193> An example "High RAM and high disk space With 2 GiB RAM and 100 GB hard disk, use 2 GiB for swap since hard disk space is plentiful."
[17:01] <gour> since we us lvm, we acan always shrink/extend later...
[17:02] <hobgoblin> gour: I got 3Gb RAM 2Gb of swap - used perhaps 100Kb of it once - but it depends what you want to do - if you hibernate I would have RAM=SWAP
[17:02] <gour> good, thanks
[17:03] <hobgoblin> or suspend - can never remember which without looking - /me is getting to old to remember
[17:03] <doc|work> hey, I come in to work today and get an update notification that the following packages would be from unauthenticated sources: libvorbis0a libvorbisenc2 libvorbisfile3. Anyone know why? Is it related to Independent being the selected sources on the "Other Software" tab
[17:03] <doc|work> ?
[17:08] <doc|work> oops, just realised I'm using xubuntu at home and ubuntu at work. Sorry. Will ask in the appropriate channel. It's early :)
[18:29] <xubuntu652> i got a question
[18:31] <autif> !ask
[18:32] <xubuntu652> ok, I've just finished up install Xubuntu 11.10, and the bottom of the window is cut off, my netbook is 1024x600
[18:34] <knome> xubuntu652, alt+drag
[18:35] <xubuntu652> omg thats such a dumb ques...thanks so much thats done the trick.
[18:53] <recon_lap> hi, unity refugee here, how's everything in xubuntu land?
[18:55] <likemindead> Brilliant! :D
[18:57] <Marzata> xubuntu is the best distro
[18:57] <recon_lap> good to hear, been look at alternatives and think xfce is the place for me :)
[18:57] <Marzata> and the most stylish one
[19:02] <recon_lap> well, feck stylish, i want a light weight desktop with maximum functionality and configuration, and i don't care if i can impress smart phone users with wobbly windows or other nonsense :)
[19:04] <magerquark> recon_lap, xubuntu is the version to go for
[19:05] <magerquark> recon_lap, or lubuntu
[19:06] <recon_lap> yes, but i'm wondering if sticking with ubuntu is the way to go considering their recent lack of judgement.
[19:06] <Marzata> lubuntu is amateurish
[19:08] <magerquark> Marzata, why? my nieces use it in an old computer and it runs real smooth
[19:08] <Guest83971> if i want to install xubuntu on a new machien sometime this week, am i better off with 12.04 alpha 2 or 11.10?  that is, will alpha 2 updates get to release more easily than 11.10 upgrade?
[19:09] <pleia2> Guest83971: you don't want to use alpha releases on production machines you depend upon, there will be bugs
[19:10] <magerquark> Guest83971, use 11.10 and mount you home-directory on a different partition, as soon as 12.04 is a few months old i would install a fresh 12.04
[19:10] <pleia2> you can upgrade from 11.10 to 12.04 (I always do the upgrades)
[19:11] <pleia2> no need for a fresh install
[19:11] <recon_lap> Guest83971: I generaly will wait a month or more before upgrading to any new release, gives time for bugs to be sorted out so i dont have to deal with them
[19:11] <Guest83971> pleia2: it is my personal laptop.  i just know that funny things often happen during update.  if i do what you suggest then during the install i still select /home but don't format it and it'll associated the new account with the existing /home/user directory?
[19:12] <magerquark> a would also wait one or two months before switching to a new version, also i would always do a clean install
[19:12] <pleia2> Guest83971: I've never had problems with the upgrades, I don't know about the fresh install method with separate home that magerquark is suggesting
[19:12] <recon_lap> Guest83971: I always put my home on it's own partition, it's just so handy
[19:13] <Guest83971> recon_lap: i plan to put home on its own partition.  just wasn't sure how to gracefully install and associate the account again
[19:14] <magerquark> i had a few issues with upgrades, so i recommend a new installation, just from my experience
[19:15] <recon_lap> Guest83971: normally it works very well. but past performance is no guarantee of future outcomes
[19:16] <recon_lap> Guest83971: i'v also had issues with upgrades, but not for a few years, but i stick to LST releases
[19:17] <recon_lap> LTS*
[19:18] <Guest83971> so this is why i was asking.  all of the potential problems with upgrading and recommending fresh installs.  so if i was doing fresh install today, you think it is any safer to fresh install latest precise (alpha2, not nightly) and get the updates vs fresh install 11.10 and then wait 4 months (release + 2) and then fresh install 12.04
[19:25] <magerquark> Guest83971, pleia2 suggest to install 11.10 and with a later upgrade to 12.04, i suggest 11.10 and a later new installation of 12.04
[19:25] <recon_lap> Guest83971: cant answer that, I don't like unity, feel that gnome-shell is not ready for release to a large user base. currently I'm on 10.04 and will be staying there for a while yet, I've still got a year of support.
[19:26] <recon_lap> Guest83971: been a happy ubuntu user for years but stating to feel that conical is losing it's way.
[19:28] <recon_lap> so i have a dilemma =-O
[19:30] <Guest83971> i moved to xubuntu because of unity and gnome3
[19:35] <recon_lap> Guest83971: My worry is that the core ideals of ubuntu are changing and don't match what I want for an OS. and that this goes farther that unity, there is a lot of sloppiness in Ubuntu lately, sound-juicer and multi disc ripping is a example of what I mean, bug is 6 months old, a fix has been created, but it still has not been pushed into the repos.
[19:36] <Guest83971> recon_lap: do you plan to hop to another distro?
[19:39] <recon_lap> Guest83971: the more i think about it the more it seem the best course, I just what a OS that does what i want and is stable and well maintained, I don't want to spend time messing about with my OS. Big decision, but i'v been trying out different distros on my media rig to see what I will do.
[19:40] <pleia2> can you guys bring this over to #xubuntu-offtopic?
[19:40] <pleia2> (it's getting quite off-topic for support :))
[19:40] <recon_lap> sure sorry
[19:45] <inkognito> why is the xscreensaver logon window so damn ugly?
[20:09] <cutgah> i just typed in: sudo apt-get install update (which i hadn't done in a long time) and all of a sudden i can't watch live streams in firefox. What do? :I
[21:00] <youcef> salut tous le monde
[21:01] <youcef> qui a une idée sur la raison pour laquelle j'obtiens ça: http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/6426/rosehzo.jpg
[21:01] <youcef> ?
[21:01] <knome> !fr | youcef
[21:01] <youcef> ah my bad
[21:01] <youcef> hello everybody
[21:02] <youcef> who might have an Idea about the cause of this problem: http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/6426/rosehzo.jpg
[21:02] <holstein> youcef: whats the issue?
[21:03] <youcef> the header doesn't appear
[21:03] <youcef> it should be blue with the word "welcome" on it
[21:04] <youcef> (or it's translation to the used language)
[21:04] <holstein> you could poke around for a bug report about it... i wouldnt lose sleep over it though
[21:04] <youcef> btw it's on a live CD which I'm tryin to costumize
[21:05] <holstein> maybe something you have done has broken the welcome banner or whatever.. again, that wouldnt be a deal breaker for me
[21:05] <youcef> I didn't touch ubiquity
[21:05] <youcef> I just installed some software
[21:06] <holstein> cool.... id still say its probably safe to say in something in your config or whatever
[21:06] <youcef> that's why I don't want to post a bug
[21:06] <youcef> I think it's some frontend-gtk related
[21:30] <knome> afaik that only happens with ubiquity
[21:30] <knome> (i noticed he left, but anyway)
[21:32] <Marzata> why use any other lang than EN for interfaces?
[21:32] <knome> because not all of us are as good in english
[21:35] <Marzata> you in Finland? cmon...
[21:36] <Marzata> linux, irc, ... all comes from .fi
[21:36] <ThePendulum> Does anyone know if it's possible to extract files out of their folders?
[21:38] <Marzata> even Rovaniemi ... :)
[21:41] <TheSheep> ThePendulum: what do you mean?
[21:42] <knome> Marzata, yes, hki
[21:43] <ThePendulum> Well, I got a bunch of video files, and each file has its own folder
[21:44] <ThePendulum> However, I'd like to have all those files in 1 folder, rather than split up in their own folders
[21:44] <ThePendulum> Main folder > folder 1 > file 1
[21:44] <ThePendulum> ..................> folder 2 > file 2
[21:44] <ThePendulum> ..................> folder 3 > file 3
[21:44] <TheSheep> ThePendulum: just drag them to the directory you want them in
[21:44] <ThePendulum> Yeah... but that's going to take quite a while
[21:45] <mongy> use find and xargs?
[21:45] <TheSheep> or a for loop
[21:45] <TheSheep> but that's quite advanced
[21:46] <mongy> my shell-fu isn't so advanced.  basics get me by
[21:49] <well_laid_lawn> ThePendulum: http://www.howtogeek.com/wiki/Move_Files_Into_One_Directory_in_Linux_With_Find
[21:49] <ThePendulum> Thanks!
[22:01] <xubuntu738> Good Day
[22:02] <xubuntu738> anybody? How can i change screen resolution in Xubuntu?
[22:05] <mongy> settings > Display ?
[22:17] <mongy> ThePendulum, is this yours?  http://askubuntu.com/q/61780/26198
[22:17] <ThePendulum> Haha, nope, I never posted something there before
[22:17] <ThePendulum> Same issue though
[22:17] <mongy> just saw it and thought, hmm..
[22:19] <ThePendulum> Nope, sorry :p
[22:19] <mongy> ugh, never looked at the date it was asked.  wasn't you then unless you been stuck with the issue for 5months.
[22:19] <ThePendulum> Welll that date is rather hard to see
[22:20] <Phips-> moin
[22:20] <ThePendulum> Greetings
[22:20] <Phips-> thx
[22:20] <Phips-> I have a Question to xubuntu
[22:21] <ThePendulum> You are allowed to ask that Question, sir!
[22:21] <Phips-> my Computer has a RAM with 512 MB, at the moment is there installed XP
[22:21] <Phips-> :D ^^
[22:21] <ThePendulum> Ooooooh 512MB and XP, good ol' days
[22:21] <Phips-> jep right ^^ :)
[22:21] <ThePendulum> So, what's the Question? :o
[22:22] <Phips-> yes:
[22:22] <ThePendulum> I'm getting nervous!
[22:22] <Phips-> I want to install Xubuntu on this Computer, what things I should prepare ?
[22:23] <Phips-> ok, the Backup  I thing first
[22:23] <ThePendulum> Well, you need to back-up whatever you'd like to keep and you need to create an installation disk/usb
[22:23] <ThePendulum> Yep.
[22:23] <Phips-> ^^
[22:23] <Phips-> so, download the files from Internet or buy a CD for booting
[22:23] <Phips-> !?!?
[22:24] <well_laid_lawn> !install
[22:24] <ThePendulum> I'd recommend downloading them, unless you want to waste money
[22:24] <ThePendulum> I am willing to assist you
[22:24] <mongy> Phips-, you'd best try it out in a vm first maybe if your experience is limited.
[22:24] <ThePendulum> Well
[22:25] <ThePendulum> Just make sure you have a working copy of Windows around in case something goes wrong
[22:25] <ThePendulum> And make sure everything's backed up
[22:25] <ThePendulum> Do you have a USB stick lying around?
[22:26] <Phips-> can I make a CD of XP or is that not allowed / not availaible
[22:26] <Phips-> ?
[22:26] <Phips-> yes USB oc
[22:26] <ThePendulum> That's an illegal practise, as XP is licensed software that should be paid for
[22:26] <Phips-> I thought that, ok ^^
[22:27] <ThePendulum> However, making an XP CD is more likely to go wrong than an Ubuntu CD
[22:27] <Phips-> The comp. is my father´s, he only uses the functions like writing texts or sending mails ...
[22:28] <ThePendulum> If the PC has a working optical drive and you've got an empty disc, there isn't much that could go wrong
[22:28] <ThePendulum> Do you have another PC available?
[22:28] <ThePendulum> In case something DOES go wrong, you could ask (us) for assistance?
[22:28] <Phips-> so, the Comp is IMO to weak for the XP
[22:28] <Phips-> yes, I´m sitting here at another Comp
[22:28] <ThePendulum> Strange, 512MB should be fine. However, it's vulnerable for viruses ofcourse
[22:28] <Phips-> (Laptop)
[22:28] <ThePendulum> Alright
[22:29] <ThePendulum> Just download Xubuntu 11.10 and burn it to a disk :)
[22:29] <ThePendulum> The ISO that is
[22:29] <Phips-> the 512MB are ok, but he´s very slow, and makes too much in the background, my father don´t need
[22:29] <ThePendulum> If you click the file, Windows will most likely assume you want to burn it
[22:30] <ThePendulum> But Xubuntu is a great alternative
[22:30] <ThePendulum> It should indeed run a tad quicker than XP
[22:31] <Phips-> Yes, I think, that my new netbook gets the Ubuntu Reamix
[22:32] <Phips-> It´s great, but I want the GNOME DE and not the Unity -.-
[22:33] <ThePendulum> Gnome 2.0?
[22:33] <Phips-> I don´t know it exactly, the GNOME you´re getting with the netbook reamix of ubuntu
[22:33] <ThePendulum> What do you dislike about Unity, the way it works or its stability?
[22:33] <mongy> xfce is as close to gnome2 as you need
[22:34] <ThePendulum> ^
[22:34] <ThePendulum> I was about to take the longer route of saying what mongy did more quickly.
[22:34] <mongy> netbook remix is 10.04
[22:34] <Phips-> xfce is the DE with Xubuntu afaik
[22:34] <Phips-> yes, 10.04 or 10.10 my classteacher told me :)
[22:34] <mongy> ubuntu 10.04 that is and hence gnome2
[22:35] <ThePendulum> Xubuntu == Ubuntu
[22:35] <Phips-> jo
[22:35] <ThePendulum> It's just Ubuntu + Xfce, rather than Ubuntu + Unity/Gnome 3.2
[22:35] <ThePendulum> So if you like the Gnome 2.x look, I'd recommend Xubuntu ^^
[22:36] <Phips-> Xubuntu is for old and new comps IMO a great OS for people, who haven´t got THIS big reqirements
[22:37] <Phips-> *requirements :)
[22:37] <mongy> I have 8gigasquats of ram and an i7 and an ati 1gb
[22:37] <mongy> :0
[22:37] <Phips-> - - -
[22:38] <mongy> and  I use it :)  prefer it.
[22:38] <Phips-> I have an dualcore with 2,2GHz and 3GB RAM, using f***ing Vista *sry*
[22:39] <ThePendulum> AMD Phenom II X6 1090T, 8GB RAM and Radeon 6850 graphics card... still Xubuntu for me :P
[22:39] <Phips-> *jealous* ;)
[22:39] <ThePendulum> AMD graphics: never again!
[22:39] <ThePendulum> Vista? D:
[22:39] <ThePendulum> At least get yourself Windows 7
[22:40] <ThePendulum> Or just (X)Ubuntu :p
[22:40] <Phips-> The comp is 4 1/2 years old, if he isn´t the "nokia" from the Labbies, he will die soon
[22:40] <mongy> 7 is an improvement but still aint all great
[22:41] <ThePendulum> Well, it's a lot better than Vista
[22:41] <ThePendulum> Use either XP or 7 if you're Windowsy
[22:42] <Phips-> win 7: ooookeee, Vista: noooooooooo, XP Home: oookeee, XP Professional: yyyyessss :)
[22:42] <ThePendulum> Linux: I am ze boss.
[22:42] <ThePendulum> Well
[22:42] <Phips-> Linux: great :d
[22:42] <ThePendulum> 4½ computer doesn't nessecarily have to die
[22:42] <Phips-> but I think my next big Laptop is going to be an MacAir ...
[22:42] <ThePendulum> My ol' Acer is doing great, it's 5 years old now
[22:42] <ThePendulum> 2007
[22:43] <ThePendulum> Mac? D:
[22:43] <Phips-> no, oc not, but he´s runnig sometimes 2 weeks through ...
[22:43] <ThePendulum> Why?
[22:43] <ThePendulum> 2 weeks?
[22:43] <Phips-> Mac: sth other a time ...
[22:43] <Phips-> jo
[22:44] <Phips-> father´s comp we´ve talked about is now 7 1/2 years ...
[22:44] <Phips-> one good old HP
[22:44] <Phips-> ok guys, I´m going to bed
[22:44] <ThePendulum> I'd rather buy a good yet cheaper laptop and be able to put Windows, Linux and OS X on it, than a Mac with only the ability to put OS X on it
[22:44] <knome> guys, #xubuntu-offtopic
[22:44] <ThePendulum> Offtopic?
[22:44] <Phips-> wish you good night, thx for help :)
[22:44] <ThePendulum> 'night Phips-
[22:44] <knome> ThePendulum, this channel is for support
[22:45] <Phips-> night, will see us soon ...
[22:45] <ThePendulum> Well, this guy wants to know if Xubuntu is the right choice for his dads' system
[22:45] <ThePendulum> And there's no one else in here dying for help
[22:46] <knome> that's no excuse  to fill the chan with win talk
[22:48] <ThePendulum> I think those rules are there to prevent rubbishtalk being more significant than actual questions. I see no need in moving the conversation elsewhere if we are basically the only active people in this channel, and are having a rather relevant discussion.
[22:49] <ThePendulum> There isn't a constant stream of questions. That means, if discussion isn't allowed besides discussion 100% relevant to Xubuntu, the channel will be completely inactive in no time, for no one will await questions for multiple hours straight.
[22:50] <knome> i understand your point, but there can't be exceptions for rules
[22:50] <mongy> ThePendulum, best not irritate the ops :)
[22:51] <knome> ThePendulum, don't take it personally. i'm not whistling the game off from the first ot comment, just making sure we can keep the channel open for support
[22:51] <mongy> I see a lot of xubuntu questions in #ubuntu, which possibly explains things..
[22:51] <ThePendulum> I allow anyone to come here and ask a question, and I will stop any conversation I was having and focus on the question
[22:52] <ThePendulum> But what's wrong with maintaining the activity in a channel so people who actually want to ask a question, have some people available to help them?
[22:53] <knome> ThePendulum, the people can be available even if they didn't post anything to the channel
[22:53] <knome> (until a support question)
[22:54] <Myrtti> many people are intimitated from asking their question if there is an ongoing discussion going on that they don't understand
[22:54] <knome> ThePendulum, but really, those are the channel rules which you have agreed upon when joining, so please follow them
[22:54] <ThePendulum> True, but eventually, most people won't even care to visit the channel if nothing's going on anyway
[22:54] <ThePendulum> I certainly will
[22:54] <ThePendulum> But honestly, I don't feel like asking someone to leave just because he wants to discuss his needs for Xubuntu. I don't think that will convince anyone of using Xubuntu.
[22:55] <knome> ThePendulum, that discussion i fine. going to win/mac is offtopic.
[22:56] <ThePendulum> It was a topic that lasted for 2 replies each...
[22:56] <knome> ThePendulum, maybe you should reread the code of conduct and guidelines if in doubt
[22:56] <nikolaj_basher> Can anyone tell my why it dosn't support danish language. I have installed it but I can activate it
[22:56] <ThePendulum> And as of the logs, it didn't really annoy anyone who was asking a question
[22:57] <ThePendulum> nikolaj_basher: Do you mean the OS in general, or a specific program? I have installed Xubuntu in Danish before, I think
[22:57] <knome> ThePendulum, #ubuntu-ops, if you really must continue arguing on channel rules.
[22:57] <ThePendulum> I wouldn't even have started the conversation if it was up to me, honestly
[22:58] <knome> ThePendulum, in that case in take it you have read the !coc and 1guidelines and will respect them
[22:58] <ThePendulum> nikolaj_basher: Can you see Danish is installed in the Language Support window?
[23:03] <nikolaj_basher> ThePendulum, I can see it is installing the language, but I can't choose i after the installation
[23:03] <ThePendulum> nikolaj_basher: In what way can't you choose it? Is it greyed out, or does it simply not apply when you select it?
[23:04] <ThePendulum> Where have you tried choosing it?
[23:04] <ThePendulum> During login, or afterwards in the Language Support window?
[23:04] <nikolaj_basher> ThePendulum, grayed out
[23:05] <nikolaj_basher> Language support window
[23:05] <ThePendulum> Have you tried the "Install / Remove Languages..." and reinstalled Danish?
[23:05] <nikolaj_basher> yes
[23:06] <nikolaj_basher> dosn't mather
[23:06] <ThePendulum> I am now installing Danish myself, hoping to find the issue
[23:06] <ThePendulum> Hmmm
[23:07] <ThePendulum> nikolaj_basher: 'Grab' Dansk, and move it above English or whatever languages that are installed
[23:07] <ThePendulum> Then click 'Apply System-Wide'
[23:08] <ThePendulum> Have you tried that?
[23:08] <nikolaj_basher> ThePendulum, yes
[23:09] <mongy> and keyboard layout?
[23:09] <nikolaj_basher> ThePendulum,  the problem is that it dosn't get gray-back as the installed language
[23:09] <ThePendulum> Dansk is in the list shown at Language Support, right?
[23:10] <nikolaj_basher> ThePendulum, yes
[23:10] <ThePendulum> And it's greyed out?
[23:10] <ThePendulum> mongy: I'm not sure if he wants to change the keyboard layout
[23:10] <nikolaj_basher> And yes to "Apply System-wide
[23:11] <ThePendulum> Is it possible to take a screenshot of your Language Support window and upload it?
[23:11] <ThePendulum> Or do you perhaps have TeamViewer?
[23:11] <nikolaj_basher> Yes do you where to past it
[23:11] <ThePendulum> nikolaj_basher: If you take a screenshot, it should show you the option to save
[23:12] <nikolaj_basher> yes but where do you get it
[23:12] <ThePendulum> Where you saved it. Probably your Home folder, Home/Pictures folder, or Desktop.
[23:12] <ThePendulum> You can upload it to, for example, Imgur (www.imgur.com)
[23:14] <nikolaj_basher> ThePendulum, http://imgur.com/TN0ZK
[23:14] <ThePendulum> Thanks!
[23:14] <ThePendulum> Alright
[23:14] <ThePendulum> Try to click and hold (grab, drag) "Dansk (Danmark)"
[23:14] <ThePendulum> And move/drag it upwards
[23:15] <ThePendulum> Until it snaps at the top
[23:15] <ThePendulum> I will take a few screenshots if that helps
[23:19] <ThePendulum> http://i.imgur.com/jSktI.jpg <-- drag "Dansk" into that position. (the relevant window is at the left)
[23:24] <nikolaj_basher> ThePendulum, 2 sek
[23:24] <ThePendulum> If you can't get it right, you could install TeamViewer and I will do it for you, if you like
[23:27] <nikolaj_basher> ThePendulum, It turn the right coler Danish and English
[23:27] <ThePendulum> Is Danish on top
[23:27] <ThePendulum> + ?
[23:27] <nikolaj_basher> I need to logout an in to see it works
[23:28] <nikolaj_basher> is
[23:32] <ThePendulum> I'll see you in a minute
[23:33] <nikolaj_basher> ThePendulum, It works thanks :-)
[23:36] <ThePendulum> Great! No problem :)
[23:47] <nikolaj_basher> :-)
[23:57] <NewUser> Hi