| scientes | GrueMaster, here: http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android/features-and-specs | 00:00 |
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| scientes | says chromium=default | 00:00 |
| GrueMaster | I really couldn't tell you. There is a whole different team working on that stuff. | 00:04 |
| scientes | http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/docs/faqs/signedchar.php | 00:04 |
| scientes | so x86 uses signed char? | 00:04 |
| GrueMaster | But it is possibly due to chromium being already there for android. | 00:05 |
| scientes | ahh, yes they said synced bookmarks and history | 00:05 |
| scientes | so yes that is it | 00:05 |
| GrueMaster | As to the char issue, again I couldn't tell you. I do know that the K&R C book (considered the C reference bible) does say that it could be either/or. Proper coding standards recommend specifying the variable when creating it. | 00:09 |
| GrueMaster | I do remember this being an issue a long time ago between gcc and icc differences in behavior. | 00:10 |
| GrueMaster | The key to remember is that if you want your code to work across multiple platforms, never assume a default behavior to be the same. | 00:15 |
| infinity | Yeah, the signedness of char is very platform-specific (as in, arch + headers + moon phase) | 00:18 |
| infinity | Depending on it being either signed or unsigned is always a Very Bad Thing. | 00:19 |
| infinity | (And, really, treating chars as ints is deep voodoo and/or ignorance anyway, despite the underlying implementation of them as such) | 00:19 |
| GrueMaster | iirc, that was one of the first things covered in my C programming class. And that was at a crap school. | 00:20 |
| infinity | janimo`: Bad news, libreoffice failed on armel and armhf. (The armel failure doesn't look arch-specific; same thing happened on powerpc, but the armhf failure is testsuite-related, and only armhf) | 00:55 |
| steev | trying to build a kernel here, and i'm getting arm-linux-gnueabihf-ld command not found, and i can't seem to find the package that actually installs it (binutils *is* installed) | 01:03 |
| steev | this is on precise alpha2 | 01:04 |
| steev | what i don't understand is that this is the armhf tarball, but it pretends like it's cross compiling | 01:04 |
| infinity | Maybe you need to sort out why it thinks it's cross-compiling, then. | 01:09 |
| GrueMaster | steev: What platform is this? What image? | 01:11 |
| steev | GrueMaster: precise-core-armhf.tar.gz (from alpha2) | 01:19 |
| GrueMaster | Ok. On an arm system I would assume? | 01:20 |
| steev | it's on an i.mx51 machine, (i AM chrooted via a m | 01:20 |
| steev | mmm... whatever the M release was | 01:20 |
| steev | maverick | 01:21 |
| GrueMaster | ok. Should work. I can try to reproduce it here if you can give me some quick steps (not something like Build LibreOffice). | 01:21 |
| steev | GrueMaster: <partitiion sd card, tar -xpf precise-core-armhf, apt-get update, apt-get install ubuntu minimal (watch it fail because of resolvconf), apt-get install git-core, git clone git://github.com/genesi/linux-legacy.git, <edit sources.list, add universe> apt-get update again, apt-get install kernel-package build-essential <setup locales>, cd linux-legacy, mv .git .dotgit (this may be un-neces | 01:24 |
| steev | sary, but on some versions of ubuntu it would add a + which would screw things up because of the .git dir), cp arch/arm/configs/mx51_efikamx_defconfig .config, make-kpkg --uc --us --initrd --subarch efikamx --rootcmd=fakeroot --revision 2012.02 binary | 01:24 |
| twb | What does "ubuntu for android" actually mean? Presumably it's just the GUI fluff, and not important stuff e.g. busybox, initramfs-tools, dpkg, apt ? | 01:24 |
| GrueMaster | twb: Essentially it means that with this package, when you plug your android phone into a dock with keyboard/mouse/monitor, it will launch an ubuntu chroot environment and display it on the monitor. | 01:27 |
| GrueMaster | Similar (but far more integrated) to the Motorola Atrix. | 01:27 |
| twb | Ah, OK, so it's a chroot. And you can install it via the android market? | 01:30 |
| GrueMaster | twb: If you read the info on ubuntu.com, then you know as much as I do at this point. :D | 01:32 |
| steev | GrueMaster: oh i left off the chroot part, but i guess you'd know that much :) | 01:33 |
| twb | I read LWN's repost :P | 01:35 |
| twb | I was gonna read the whole subscriber-only article but I've lost my LWN pasword and ICBF digging it out | 01:35 |
| scientes | twb, yeah looks pretty cool doesn't it | 01:55 |
| scientes | saw it in ln too | 01:55 |
| scientes | *lwn | 01:55 |
| twb | scientes: not really | 01:55 |
| scientes | well, then why are you asking about it? | 01:55 |
| scientes | its pretty simple | 01:55 |
| twb | I have zero respect for android; this addition seems notably only in that you get a chroot without having to jailbreak. | 01:55 |
| twb | scientes: I'm asking to confirm that it's not actually any sexier than I guessed | 01:55 |
| scientes | they did a little cool stuff like sync bookmarks and history | 01:55 |
| GrueMaster | I'm really not sure about this new product, but I would guess it is for integration in new devices and not generally publicly available. | 01:57 |
| GrueMaster | I.e, you have to buy a phone with this preloaded, or available in the market for that phone. | 01:57 |
| twb | GrueMaster: ah, so the idea is that Mr. Motorola or whoever goes "ubuntu is cool, this will add value to my upcoming WhizzBang 9000 device for little investment" | 01:57 |
| twb | Gotcha | 01:57 |
| GrueMaster | But the basic concept is not new. | 01:57 |
| steev | wth? | 04:17 |
| steev | debian/ruleset/arches doesn't have armhf in it | 04:17 |
| lilstevie | twb, from what I see it is just the same as webtop is on the motorola atrix | 04:23 |
| twb | lilstevie: I'm not familiar with that, but GrueMaster et al explained it to me a bit. | 04:24 |
| lilstevie | not quite a chroot | 04:24 |
| lilstevie | and it gets given /dev/fb1 (the hdmi port) | 04:25 |
| twb | It's interesting but I think I'd still prefer to just fuck off android completely, or at most dual-boot | 04:45 |
| steev | GrueMaster: i worked around it by adding in armhf by copying/editing the armel.mk (and making related entries into the other .mk files), no need to test | 05:26 |
| GrueMaster | steev: Excellent! My wife had drug me off to dinner, I just got back (sorry). | 05:27 |
| steev | no worries | 05:27 |
| steev | i was playing WoW anyway | 05:27 |
| lilstevie | :/ | 05:35 |
| lilstevie | I am having shutdown problems, screen goes blank, nothing happens, logs don't reveal anything :/ | 05:36 |
| janimo` | infinity, checking. I should have started a package build myself right after it was uploaded so I have a FTBFS locally when needed. Oh well | 05:52 |
| janimo` | infinity, there is hope for libo armhf. According to the Debian maintainer the workaround of not building Base needs to be instated for armhf as it is for armel | 09:06 |
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| steev | is there a way to force resolvconf to... configure? since i'm in a chroot, it can't exactly start, and because of that it keeps throwing up errors | 18:29 |
| ogra_ | steev, just copy /etc/resolv.conf from the host | 18:32 |
| steev | ogra_: i have that, i'm trying to install the package resolvconf | 18:33 |
| ogra_ | do you have /proc mounted etc ? | 18:33 |
| steev | and since it can't start in the chroot it doesn't install successfully (it's a dependency for ubuntu-minimal) | 18:33 |
| infinity | Does 'initctl reload-configuration' help? | 18:33 |
| steev | ogra_: yes | 18:33 |
| infinity | Well, 'initctl reload-configuration && dpkg --configure -a' | 18:34 |
| infinity | (Really, chroots should have a policy-rc.d that just denies starting services, though) | 18:34 |
| steev | ill try when these packages finish installing, sdcards be slow | 18:35 |
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| steev | infinity: start: Unknown job: resolvconf\ninvoke-rc.d initscript resolvconf, action start failed.\ndpkg: error processing resolvconf (--configure) | 19:50 |
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| steev | ogra_: infinity: any other suggestions? | 21:28 |
| steev | infinity: ah, someone explained the policy-rc.d to me, okay, have it installed, now i just need to get it booting, thanks for the pointer | 23:01 |
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