=== kloeri_ is now known as kloeri [03:08] jcastro: I pinged on the RT? Have a meeting and one class tomorrow, but free other than that [07:18] aloha [07:33] good evening [07:40] night all! [07:40] o/ [07:56] so sad Apache 2.4 won't be in 12.04 [07:56] :P [07:57] bkerensa: stop trolling :P :P :P [07:57] * jussi hugs bkerensa [07:58] jussi: Its ok I will make a PPA [07:58] :D [07:59] hehe [08:10] good morning [08:10] morning dholbach [08:11] hey jussi [09:23] in the apartment next door I think they are breaking down walls, burning down the wallpapers, slaughtering virgins and building bombs [09:24] I think I'll go and work from somewhere else in a bit [09:26] dholbach: Heh... There are solutions for such issues :) [09:26] Very loud speakers... a nice subwoofer and amp [09:26] :D [09:27] no, I think I'm going to take the dog for a walk and pay my friends a visit in the old office where I used to work before :) [09:30] dholbach: Good Stuff :) [10:01] alright, packing my stuff - see you in a bit :) [11:15] Hello. [11:18] dholbach: You back around? [11:18] bkerensa, yes [11:18] oh, thanks for the mail you sent [11:18] dholbach: Do you know why Unity3D would suddenly stop working but Unity2D is fine? [11:19] :D [11:19] no idea [11:19] hmm [11:19] anything interesting in ~/.xsession-errors or /var/log/Xorg/*.log? [11:19] if you find anything in there you could ask in #ubuntu-desktop [11:20] Is there an Ubuntu Android thingy channel? [11:21] mainerror: I guess you could try #ubuntu-phone, but other than that no idea [11:22] Thanks. :) [11:22] adding the ppa recommend in this bug has stopped compiz crashing [11:22] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/926379 [11:22] Launchpad bug 926379 in unity "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in intel_miptree_release()" [High,Confirmed] [11:23] dholbach: Nothing tasty in either... Unity3D just wont load at all when I login through the Ubuntu profile but Unity 2D works fine... Hmmm [11:23] best ask in #ubuntu-desktop [12:33] i can't sign the agreement https://forms.canonical.com/contributor/ :/ [12:42] daker: meaning the form does not work... or you are unwilling? [12:52] good morning [13:14] I am 100% under the belief now that ranting at businesses over twitter provides immediate results [13:14] :D [13:14] I couldn't get my power bill after 3 days of calling and one simple tweet got it sorted :D [13:18] Yay for public accountability! [13:22] bkerensa: woah [13:22] that is impressive [13:30] bkerensa: my wife has started doing that with our cable company [13:30] their DVRs have formed a habit of dying after 2 or 3 months [13:30] it used to be she sat on hold for hours with tech support, now she just tweets about it and we have a replacement on the way [13:31] mhall119: Heh comcast? [13:31] :D [13:31] bkerensa: Brighthouse [13:31] Ahh [13:31] Yeah well... I have used Twitter to get fast results for a number of things [13:32] It was still frustrating dealing with this power company because I just wanted to give them money and they wouldnt tell me how much :D [13:48] snap-l: heya [13:48] wanna do that interview today? [13:50] bkerensa: it's absurd when companies make it difficult for you to give them your money [13:50] mhall119: ikr [13:50] :D [13:51] mhall119: I guess the good news is that my bill was $162 less then the people who previously lived here [13:51] :D [13:51] jcastro: What time would you like to do the interview? [13:51] what's good for you? [13:52] Around noon? [13:52] perfect. [13:52] phone? [13:52] Phone, skype, whatever. [13:52] * jcastro will figure out how to record [13:52] I have Skype Call Recorder [13:52] oh perfect [13:52] my wife has that but it's on her laptop and not here [13:53] so if you could record it that would be <3 so I can transcribe it [13:53] Sure thing [13:53] it shouldn't take us more than 10minutes [13:53] On my calendar. [14:00] dholbach: dpm: balloons: mhall119: remember guys to ask if today's thing is in IRC or G+ [14:00] jcastro, of course [14:00] hey dpm [14:00] what!!? Are we having a meeting? [14:00] so I want to have a charm contest, and I stole your app contest application thing [14:01] jcastro, no worries, I hope it's useful [14:01] should I have a clause for employees? [14:01] like, if someone got paid to do a charm and does one on their own time, that's good I guess. [14:01] but it still feels kind of unfair [14:01] jcastro: it's G+ as far as I know [14:01] mhall119: I know it's G+, I am saying, as soon as bacon joins [14:02] jcastro, good point. I'm jumping into a call, so I cannot discuss it right now, but yeah, that's something to bear in mind [14:02] k [14:22] mhall119: hah this guy on omg is awesome [14:22] lenses are worthless, what we need is a new icon theme! [14:23] mhall119: for the recipes [14:23] jcastro: haters gotta hate [14:23] jcastro: that's a nice lens though isn't it? [14:23] an interesting use case would be search for "arroz con pollo" [14:23] get the recipe [14:23] I especially like how it has time and difficulty in the description [14:23] then use the askubuntu lens to search cooking.stackexchange while you are making it [14:23] sort of like, a multistep workflow [14:24] hmmm, the dash isn't so great at that [14:24] well, your recipe would be open in the browser already [14:24] so it's like, open, search, close [14:24] read for a while [14:24] open, search, close again [14:25] evidently the recipe website actually made some changes on their end for this lens' author [14:25] which I thought was pretty cool [14:25] wow, that's great [14:26] sweet! Someone's already contributed a quicklist for totem [14:28] I saw [14:29] I had James Gifford do a partial collection back in the day [14:29] https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesgifford/unity-quicklist-examples/trunk [14:29] that might be worth investigating ^ [14:32] dholbach: ping [14:32] mhall119, pong [14:33] dholbach: I was warned yesterday that when people follow my blog and submit merge proposals with just their changes, that sponsors may ask them to use quilt to make deb patches [14:33] I have no idea how that stuff works, so would you be able to help shephard contributors through that process? [14:34] this Nekhelesh guy is kicking quicklist butt! [14:34] sponsors will usually tell them what to do - I'd suggest to recommend http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/udd-patchsys.html#edit-patch [14:35] dholbach: I tried to follow that, and must have done something wrong because it didn't seem to work right... [14:35] ok - do you have the example still at hand? [14:35] I mean - sure, I can answer questions, but it might be better to improve the docs so people know what to do - I don't scale very well :) [14:35] maybe it's because it was 10pm, I'll try again with more coffee and fresher eyes [14:35] sure, let me know how it goes [14:35] ok [14:44] mhall119: can we G+ for a few minutes before the team chat? [14:45] jcastro: give me 15 minutes? [14:46] sure [15:01] how could we name a weekly Friday event where folks can come ask development questions and where we fix bugs together? [15:01] Friday Bug-Fixing Drive? Anything more exciting and interesting? :) [15:05] Fixit Fridays [15:05] mhall119, if you want a quick run through how I'd go about fixing/changing geany, I can let you know [15:06] nice [15:06] I like Fixit Friday [15:08] jcastro: ready when you are [15:08] dholbach: I'd like that, I want to add more to the quicklist, but it'll take code changes [15:08] +1 on Fixit Friday [15:09] mhall119, I'll have a look at it [15:10] mhall119: ok firing it up! [15:15] mhall119, http://paste.ubuntu.com/852781/ - sorry, there's a bit of German in there :) [15:16] mhall119, the good thing about edit-patch is that it fires up 'dch' for you as well, so you get a nice changelog entry [16:00] dholbach, dpm, jcastro, balloons, mhall119 going to be a few mins late, feel free to start hanging out and just invite me [16:00] jono, not sure about inviting you, but we'll start the hangout ;) [16:00] hey are we on IRC or g+? [16:01] jcastro, yeah, good question [16:02] ok who is making the hang out [16:02] done [16:02] sent invite [16:04] dpm, I guess you didn't only forget Jono but me as well? :-P [16:04] ah no, it's just slow [16:06] hey.. filing some unity bugs atm.. I'll join your hngout dpm [16:07] balloons, no worries, just "hanging out" right now really [17:01] all set? [17:01] dholbach, [17:01] yep [17:02] jcastro: ping [17:02] snap-l: let's do dis [17:02] skype? [17:02] si [17:20] balloons, so did didrocks say grabbing the names from the test results is doable, so we can generate the web page? [17:21] jono, I didn't mention specifics to him.. just made sure he could help get the data out of launchpad [17:21] he said yes [17:21] <--- lunch! bbi 20. [17:21] balloons, ok, I think you might want to drive down to some specifics so we can plan the work out this week [17:22] balloons, in the meantime can you start pulling together all the tests into a checkbox [17:23] yes, I am going to chat with kate about how to get it on the iso [17:23] that will move forward with the plan of how we're going to package the tests [17:24] i'll be chatting with the checkbox guys on that as well I'd imagine [17:27] balloons, cool, could you flesh out the work items needed to deliver this in a Google Doc [17:27] then we can make sure out the work is assigned to people [17:27] as we are on a tight deadline [17:27] yes, I will do that after my talk with kate and have you take a look [17:27] the good thing is that we laying down the foundations for beta2 testing too [17:27] thanks balloons! :-) [17:27] this is going to be ROCKING [17:27] make sure i'm not missing anything and get help on who to grab for the work :-) [17:27] dpm, all set? [17:28] balloons, indeed :-) [17:28] jono, yep! [17:30] jcastro, are you sure https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/PowerManagementRC6 is enabled by default? [17:30] or do I need to enable it manually still? [17:33] ok, it actually might be [17:34] dholbach, should be on by default afaik [17:34] cool :) [17:35] alrightie - I think I'm going to call it a day now and chat a bit with my old office mates [17:35] powertop show any difference in wattage? [17:35] see you all tomorrow [17:35] bye dholbach .. enjoy! [17:35] balloons, no scientific tests, but since I rebooted it looks a lot better [17:35] see you all tomorrow :) === JanC_ is now known as JanC [18:38] mhall119: heya [18:38] jcastro: heyo [18:38] probably a good round 2 or three [18:38] huh? [18:39] but if this goes awesome we could probably use a round for these guys: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11705677&postcount=16 [18:39] http://askubuntu.com/questions/30334/what-application-indicators-are-available [18:39] oops sorry, mispaste [18:39] basically like the quicklists, but for indicators, though these will be more complicated [18:39] it'd be cool to get those guys maybe submitting the indicators to USC? [18:40] jcastro: yeah, a but a good topic still, I'll write it up [18:40] anyway since you blogged a big list I remembered this other list, heh [18:40] though the barrier will be higher [18:40] I wonder how many of these we can just ping the author "yo, here's developer.ubuntu.com, go get some." [18:41] jcastro: I may blog the list, then ping the developer [18:41] or the other way around... [18:41] If I see Cas around I'll ping him [18:41] he maintains the list, I wonder if he'd be willing to weed out the junky ones that don't work, etc. [19:02] jcastro, ping [19:02] pong! [19:02] hi dude! [19:02] hi! [19:03] jcastro, as an upstream, I need to have access to private bugs filed on my package and hggdh told me to ping you about it. [19:04] I can put you in bug control [19:04] what's your lpid? [19:04] davidc3 [19:04] done! [19:04] Thanks Jorge! :) [19:04] davidcalle: welcome to Bug Control! :-) [19:04] * jcastro does the "great power, great responsibility" speech [19:05] :) [19:05] * hggdh endorses the speech [19:05] hggdh: hey so, this is mhall119's domain now, can you add him as admin and I can show him how to do it? [19:05] * davidcalle is impressed by the speech. [19:05] jcastro: certainly [19:05] davidcalle: I trust you already to not go triaging libc6 bugs or something. :) [19:06] jcastro, evertyhing on Launchpad for more than two months should be marked as Fix Released, right? [19:07] if only. :) [19:08] Hehe :) [19:09] mhall119: you are now an admin on Bug Control. I repeat, in full, all of jcastro's speech on "Great Power, etc, etc" [19:10] mhall119: I'll just chat with you on G+ on what that means, it's like, once a month you need to do it [19:11] jcastro: so I understand that in the future we will bother mhall119, not you, re. upstreamers. Also, could you please update the wiki? [19:11] yeah, the only reason I haven't is it hasn't come up yet, I'll update the wiki as soon as I explain to him what to do [19:12] roj, thank you, dear sir [19:17] jcastro, would you mind testing the accomp stuff? [19:17] want to see if it works for you on Precise [19:19] if anyone else on Precise wants to test Ubuntu Accomplishments, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments/Installing [19:21] jono: I have to close off this legal stuff with amanda before she EODs [19:21] jono: 30 min ok? [19:21] she's almost done [19:21] np [19:22] this isn't so bad, it's just adding a bunch of lawyer stuff to the rules [19:22] "oh and if this charm makes your computer explode you won't sue Canonical Ltd." [19:23] hggdh: did you just give me spidey-powers? [19:26] mhall119: the power to control bugcontrol... [19:26] so not really spidey-powers, but near [19:27] hggdh: so I can't cling to the walls of buildings? [19:27] mhall119: well, you can try :-) [19:28] * hggdh is not responsible for any (un)expected results [19:28] but I will sit down, with popcorn, and watch [19:31] :) [19:34] brb rebooting [19:53] what is the command to uninstall a ppa ? [19:54] ppa-purge [19:55] czajkowski, http://bigbrovar.aoizora.org/index.php/2010/01/10/how-to-safely-remove-ppa-repository-from-ubuntu/ [19:55] jono: thanks [19:55] np [19:55] lunch, brb [19:58] jono; ppa-purge? [19:58] so need sleep :/ [19:58] I'd say "add-apt-repository -r" [20:07] ppa-purge will uninstall any packages you installed from the ppa, or revert any packages that were upgraded from it [20:12] ppa purge can be wonky too [20:12] sometimes it messed up [20:13] snap-l: can you PM me that dropbox URL with the audio? [20:13] I had it in my copy paste buffer, which in linux is like, russian roulette [20:14] hah [20:16] balloons, doc looks good [20:16] now break down the steps into work items with assignmentsa [20:16] and then we can put deadlines on the work items [20:16] and everything should fall in place [20:16] yes.. talking with kate again [20:17] cool [20:24] jono: ok so after I add my lp address [20:24] it should figure out my stuff, and then award me some trophies right away right? [20:25] jcastro, yep [20:25] I like how the trophies have project logos on them [20:25] that will enable other projects to just dive in [20:25] zeitgeist, etc. [20:25] ok it appears to be running and then I got an U1 thing that it is syncing [20:26] ok maybe my server is not syncing, let me check [20:26] hah cute, the U1 notification basically lets me cheat, it tells me "fridge-editor.trophy" is being uploaded before the trophy app itself tells me [20:27] jcastro, yeah, I want to surpress them [20:27] I have a bug open about it [20:27] ok keep it open jcastro [20:27] looks like U1 is slow on the server [20:27] ok so my trophies are all correct and were awarded correctly in my .local/share/accomplishments/trophies [20:27] the gui just hasn't caught up yet [20:27] they are not awarded yet [20:27] they havent been validated [20:28] oh ok [20:28] so that's like "things we think jorge has earned, let me go check."? [20:28] hang fire [20:28] * jcastro nods [20:29] hmm, we need trophy titles, that's what makes them so funny on the xbox [20:29] aha [20:29] U1 woke up :-) [20:30] hang fire for a sec jcastro [20:30] you should see your trophies coming [20:30] hah, I went to the bathroom [20:30] and blam, they started coming in [20:30] :-) [20:30] I got my 3! [20:30] which ones? [20:30] the ones I am supposed to have, member, fridge editor, launchpad [20:30] cool [20:31] well some others are unlocked now [20:31] which is a funny one, since you need to be registered on launchpad to use the thing [20:31] I guess that's the freebie [20:31] so on the next check you should get the filed bug one [20:31] I see it [20:31] ok so it should sync again [20:31] it checks every two mins [20:31] and then realize I've done that, and I should get it in 2 minutes [20:31] give it another min or so [20:31] * jcastro nods [20:31] hah, freaking cool man [20:31] :-) [20:32] now all I need you to do is learn launchpadlib and contribute some accomplishments :-) [20:32] there be dragons [20:33] jono: and there it is, nice! [20:33] :-) [20:33] actually there be lazr.restful, which is worse than dragons [20:33] we just need to fix these example ones to not be so spammy [20:33] "filed first bug" is just asking for trouble [20:33] possibly [20:34] I think just narrowing it down would be useful [20:34] we need a way to revoke trophies "Filed a useless bug, we're not going to move the window controls" [20:34] lol [20:34] "submitted first bug crash" would be more useful because the person would be submitting something useful [20:34] or maybe just auto-award troll-phies [20:35] the one I want to see [20:35] jcastro, did you get the Juju one? [20:35] is "sabdfl'ed: One of your bug reports has been marked Opinion by Mark Shuttleworth". [20:35] jono: my charm isn't official yet so I should not have gotten it (and I didn't) [20:36] jcastro, cool [20:36] theoretically I should receive it as soon as the upstream releases what I need to make it into the store" [20:36] it checks if you are in the team [20:36] jcastro, well not really [20:36] it checks for team membership [20:36] we another another accomp if it is in the store [20:36] jcastro, so wanna write some? [20:36] :-) [20:36] hmmm, ok I think I found a bug [20:37] I am in the team [20:37] which team? [20:37] ~charm-contributors [20:37] right [20:37] no trophy yet? [20:37] nope [20:37] it just hasnt synced down yet [20:37] I see the trophy was created and signed [20:38] for both -contributor and -reviewer [20:38] shouldn't it have synced down with the 2nd time it synced? [20:38] yeah, but U1 may be being a little slow [20:38] I see it in the share, so it should sync soon [20:38] ah ok [20:38] I don't think being realtime is important anyway [20:38] I don't understand why it would be slow, running on that big iron [20:38] indeed [20:38] particularly as it happens in the background [20:38] actually, you might want to artifically make it so you can't get like 3 of them at once [20:39] like on the xbox it spaces them out even if you win them at once [20:39] that way it's not like "OH I AM AWESOME" one minute, and then you spend 3 weeks with nothing. [20:39] jcastro, maybe [20:40] I think people just need to deal with their insecurities instead [20:40] lol [20:40] heh [20:40] but good idea [20:40] there are tonnes of refinements we can make to it [20:40] these are totally killer for the human mind [20:40] I used to rent games [20:40] jcastro, glad it works for you [20:40] play them just for accomplishments [20:40] and then return it [20:40] I wouldn't even bother to finish the game [20:40] lol [20:40] I just wanted the trophies [20:40] this is why the choice of accomplishments needs to be carefully considere [20:41] * jcastro nods [20:41] I want to reduce people gaming thew system [20:41] well, people will game it, I think the trick is, to make it so that even if people game it they end up doing something that is useful to the project. [20:41] let's say I game "reported a crasher". It's still a useful dump. [20:41] indeed [20:41] and it is all about new experiences [20:41] not traffic [20:41] * jcastro nods [20:41] 50 bug comments = not useful [20:42] first bug report = useful [20:42] as they actually filed a bug [20:42] and now know how to do it [20:42] I would say first confirmed bug, but I am just bikeshedding [20:43] jono: fyi when you click on a trophy the highlight is orange and the trophy is orange, so it gets all invisible [20:43] I see how you carefully avoided my questions about if you will write some Juju accomplishments ;-) [20:43] jcastro, yup, I saw that [20:43] I will file a bug [20:43] I will certainly improve my descriptions now that I realize you asked for one thing and not the other [20:44] cool [20:44] and I will evade the accomplishments writing by saying I will have a guy look at doing it, but once he's done with some charms. [20:44] the main thing I need now are more accomplishments [20:44] lol, that's right, shovel it onto some poor soul [20:44] :-) [20:44] that won't be a problem, I am kind of maxed out on people doing things for juju though [20:44] learning a bit of launchpadlib might be useful [20:44] it is really handy [20:45] well, popey and I signed up for this "learn how to code" thing [20:45] which is useful, but not enough where I can dive in [20:45] of course the onus is on me to find other ways to contribute to it, I've just been kind of slammed with work [20:45] I mean, I want to help you more, but my boss is always on me about work stuff [20:45] maybe you can help me out? [20:46] lol [20:46] excuses excuses [20:46] j/k [20:46] hey [20:46] have you thought about hidden trophies? [20:46] like, "accidental ones" [20:47] hmm, this is one thing that would be hard with OSS [20:47] so on some games they don't tell you what the achievements all are [20:47] so you earn like "10 out of 25" [20:47] and the manual tells you the 10 [20:47] could be an interesting option in the future [20:47] and then you have to go figure out what the other 15 are. [20:48] it drives me crazy [20:50] jono and jcastro you two make me laugh and totally make me miss being active in this channel :-P [20:51] linaro got you busy? [20:56] yay for rain! finally, so so dry here [20:57] jono: call in 3? [20:58] akgraner, :-) [20:58] jcastro, yup [20:58] jcastro, yep [20:58] akgraner: hey alright! [20:59] jcastro, it's totally awesome [20:59] (but shhh don't tell your boss but it makes me respect him more) [21:00] this community building stuff isn't as easy as you all make it look - but it's freakin fun and exciting :-) [21:00] akgraner, :-) [21:01] * akgraner goes back to work now... just popping in to say hi! [21:02] jcastro, sending invite now [21:02] \m/ [21:07] * MrChrisDruif still need to look at jono's youtube upload ^_^ [21:14] * balloons waves at akgraner [21:15] hey balloons so I'm getting a new iso from today b/c yesterday's build ubiquity segfaulted on me [21:17] and when I updated my main machine I had to re-install the ubuntu desktop with ^ b/c I couldn't get the hud to install (all b/c I had removed qwibber) [21:17] jcastro: rebooted, but no significant drop in power usage [21:18] I have a core 2 duo though, so maybe too old to benefit [21:21] mhall119, I'm following Michelle's bug filing technique atm :-) [21:21] akgraner, if you reinstall [21:21] hud and unity 5.4 are in the archive.. [21:22] akgraner: modified to fit your household I hope [21:22] * mhall119 has enough bugs to file [21:22] so by default you should get uunity 5.4 that includes hud.. no need for ppa's atm fyi [21:22] :-) yep re-installing my test machine now [21:22] i have another unity bug to file too [21:22] so many today [21:25] precise was oh so stable till last week [21:25] friday evening lost my dekstop [21:25] today everything is slow to redraw and freezing [21:25] feature freeze = broken machine :/ [21:26] gotta push the last of it in [21:26] you know that :-) [21:26] yeah wish some testing had been done before landing :/ [21:26] having no desktop and having to wait 4 hrs for a fix is a bit a pita :/ [21:26] * balloons shamefully lowers his head [21:27] czajkowski, we actually did test.. alot in fact [21:27] so.. it could have been worse? I guess that's conselation? [21:27] :-) [21:27] balloons: aye you cant test for all test cases I'm fully aware [21:27] just seems since feature freeze a lotta stuff is very broken which was fine till now [21:27] we'll get better.. we've got good stuff planned moving forward [21:28] yup everything always improves [21:28] it's all good even if a little bit frustating but thats why I test unstable :) [21:28] we want to show <3 to anyone brave enough to run the development version.. We need the active feedback [21:28] yup filing the bugs and working on them with devs [21:29] working on my redraw and compiz today with bryceh [21:31] balloons, all set? [21:31] mhall119, btw, cool how you are updating the post with saying things are done [21:32] but the bugs linked in the post that are done dont seem to be updated or have links to branches [21:32] looks like a successful re-install :-) [21:32] yearp [21:33] balloons, sending an invite [21:34] jono: yeah, I didn't have them using --fixes lp:12345 on their commit, so I've been manually linking branches to bugs [21:35] mhall119, gotcha [22:19] balloons: you just achieved the sabdfl'ed accomplishment [22:20] yes indeed [22:20] or close to it anyhow :) [22:20] pretty epic === koolhead17 is now known as koolhead17|zzZZ [22:25] heh [22:25] jono how do I install accomplishments? [22:28] bkerensa: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments/Installing [22:29] bkerensa, just read my blog entry it explains how [22:36] jono: When are we going to have joint list for regional Canonical workers and LoCo's [22:36] :) [22:36] bkerensa, a what? [22:36] jono: a list I can ping when we have events that local Canonical employees see [22:36] :) [22:37] bkerensa, that Canonical employees see? [22:37] that isn't the right way to approach that issue [22:37] "how can we encourage all canonical employees to sign up to their LoCo mailing lists?" would be a better question [22:37] my POC stopped working for Canonical at least temporarily so I don't know if that person still has access to the local Canonical mailing list to ping the locals [22:38] AlanBell, agreed [22:39] AlanBell: That would be nice but I think what has happened at least locally is that the folks out here are on so many mailing list and channels even that if they can skip one more e-mail it makes their day much easier [22:39] I have generally just sent event announcements upstream through a Canonical POC [22:39] bkerensa, if Canonical people dont want to attend, there isnt much we can do about it [22:39] and Canonical people should be treated no differently to any other people [22:39] either in a good or bad way :-) [22:40] well, maybe a good way [22:40] lol [22:40] jono: Its not about not wanting to attend more about them not wanting to subscribe to ML :D [22:40] jono: Oh no mistreating the Canonical folks eh? :P [22:40] balloons: some loco ml are rather noisy [22:40] bkerensa, right, but we shouldnt force them to [22:40] they should want to [22:40] * AlanBell suspects there are more than 8 canonical people in the UK [22:40] balloons: they could already be on enough ml tbh [22:40] bkerensa, and not everyone is interested in LoCos [22:40] but that is how many are signed up to the uk mailing list with a canonical.com address [22:41] AlanBell: Only 8? Wow... We have at least 8 in just Portland and one or two across the state [22:41] AlanBell: how many with an ubuntu.com address? [22:41] popey: probably some more that way, but I do know that if I mail stuff to the mailing list I have to go poke people separately to get it circulated at millbank [22:42] 13 @ubuntu.com addresses in total (one is jono) [22:43] heh [22:44] There are five ubuntu.com addresses on our list [22:44] afternoon all [22:45] technoviking: Ello [22:45] it isn't massively meaningful (I am subscribed with a gmail account), but I do know that if there are events and things we are doing in London Canonical folk don't get to hear about them unless I go to Millbank tower and print out a flyer and stick it on the fridge [22:45] 5 of the 13 work for canonical [22:46] I'm happy to forward mails to the millbank list [22:47] that is great [22:47] jono: ping [22:48] jono: do you have a link to our graphs handy? [22:48] jcastro, charms? [22:48] I have kapil on G+ and I'd like to show him our team graphs [22:48] jcastro, which graphs? [22:48] no, the ones daniel and mhall use [22:48] sure, one sec [22:50] AlanBell: as can I :) [22:51] czajkowski, mhall119, cjohnston, daker, good to join the LoCo Call in 9? [22:52] yeah, the number of pokeable people is expanding all the time, but I still think there is a place for some more internal awareness of LoCo teams [22:52] jono: yup [22:52] night all o/ [22:52] awesome [22:52] AlanBell: there could just be a lack of interest in locos [22:52] night AlanBell! [22:52] * AlanBell is in London tomorrow [22:52] AlanBell: nn [22:53] I'm out this week [22:53] * czajkowski has been up since 6:30 [22:53] the wrong day to get up early [23:01] czajkowski, mhall119, daker creating hangout [23:01] ok [23:03] jono: not seeing the notification [23:04] got it [23:23] AlanBell: around? [23:28] jono: forgot about the hangout, is it still going on? [23:32] man dude [23:32] snap-l: I have an awesome story [23:33] jono: feel free to listen in and make fun of me [23:33] hey so growing up "my" Maiden was like Somewhere in Time and things like 7th song, never really things like Killers and the old stuff [23:33] so when I really got into Maiden was in the mp3 age [23:33] so I've never actually listened to Killers in order [23:33] always in shuffle [23:34] anyway, on Sirius they /always/ play Ides of March and Wrathchild as one song [23:34] not like, the MP3's where it's separate songs. [23:34] anyway, after hearing it, I feel like I missed the entire experience of having 2 songs being back to back like that. [23:34] and that's my story [23:35] actually, that story isn't awesome at all [23:36] cool story bro [23:36] :) [23:37] actually, when Ides came on the radio my wife went "Ohh, Rush!", then it got all Maiden. [23:37] snap-l: agree with me here [23:37] *crickets* [23:38] mhall119: I don't think it's been made clear enough that post-work hours this channel is really #ubuntu-metal. [23:47] mhall119, nope, we quit it [23:47] jcastro, I know what you mean, man [23:47] jono: sorry, I forgot we were starting them back up [23:47] * mhall119 was reading to the kids [23:47] mhall119, no worries [23:54] jcastro: It's not until recently that I too got into Maiden [23:54] but I bought the CD [23:54] because I rip FLAC. :) === bkerensa_ is now known as bkerensa [23:56] although I have had some weird recommendations when people find out that I like Rush [23:56] s/like/love/ [23:56] LIke at Holland CD, the owner recommended I check out Golden Earring [23:57] Pretty sure Radar Love is not the same as The Fountain of Lamneth