[03:08] <technoviking> jcastro: I pinged on the RT? Have a meeting and one class tomorrow, but free other than that
[07:18] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:33] <bkerensa> good evening
[07:40] <jono> night all!
[07:40] <jussi> o/
[07:56] <bkerensa> so sad Apache 2.4 won't be in 12.04
[07:56] <bkerensa> :P
[07:57] <jussi> bkerensa: stop trolling :P :P :P
[07:57]  * jussi hugs bkerensa
[07:58] <bkerensa> jussi: Its ok I will make a PPA
[07:58] <bkerensa> :D
[07:59] <jussi> hehe
[08:10] <dholbach> good morning
[08:10] <jussi> morning dholbach
[08:11] <dholbach> hey jussi
[09:23] <dholbach> in the apartment next door I think they are breaking down walls, burning down the wallpapers, slaughtering virgins and building bombs
[09:24] <dholbach> I think I'll go and work from somewhere else in a bit
[09:26] <bkerensa> dholbach: Heh... There are solutions for such issues :)
[09:26] <bkerensa> Very loud speakers... a nice subwoofer and amp
[09:26] <bkerensa> :D
[09:27] <dholbach> no, I think I'm going to take the dog for a walk and pay my friends a visit in the old office where I used to work before :)
[09:30] <bkerensa> dholbach: Good Stuff :)
[10:01] <dholbach> alright, packing my stuff - see you in a bit :)
[11:15] <s-fox> Hello.
[11:18] <bkerensa> dholbach: You back around?
[11:18] <dholbach> bkerensa, yes
[11:18] <dholbach> oh, thanks for the mail you sent
[11:18] <bkerensa> dholbach: Do you know why Unity3D would suddenly stop working but Unity2D is fine?
[11:19] <bkerensa> :D
[11:19] <dholbach> no idea
[11:19] <bkerensa> hmm
[11:19] <dholbach> anything interesting in ~/.xsession-errors or /var/log/Xorg/*.log?
[11:19] <dholbach> if you find anything in there you could ask in #ubuntu-desktop
[11:20] <mainerror> Is there an Ubuntu Android thingy channel?
[11:21] <jussi> mainerror: I guess you could try #ubuntu-phone, but other than that no idea
[11:22] <mainerror> Thanks. :)
[11:22] <czajkowski> adding the ppa recommend in this bug has stopped compiz crashing
[11:22] <czajkowski> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/926379
[11:22] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 926379 in unity "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in intel_miptree_release()" [High,Confirmed]
[11:23] <bkerensa> dholbach: Nothing tasty in either... Unity3D just wont load at all when I login through the Ubuntu profile but Unity 2D works fine... Hmmm
[11:23] <dholbach> best ask in #ubuntu-desktop
[12:33] <daker> i can't sign the agreement https://forms.canonical.com/contributor/ :/
[12:42] <cprofitt> daker: meaning the form does not work... or you are unwilling?
[12:52] <mhall119> good morning
[13:14] <bkerensa> I am 100% under the belief now that ranting at businesses over twitter provides immediate results
[13:14] <bkerensa> :D
[13:14] <bkerensa> I couldn't get my power bill after 3 days of calling and one simple tweet got it sorted :D
[13:18] <sense_> Yay for public accountability!
[13:22] <cprofitt> bkerensa: woah
[13:22] <cprofitt> that is impressive
[13:30] <mhall119> bkerensa: my wife has started doing that with our cable company
[13:30] <mhall119> their DVRs have formed a habit of dying after 2 or 3 months
[13:30] <mhall119> it used to be she sat on hold for hours with tech support, now she just tweets about it and we have a replacement on the way
[13:31] <bkerensa> mhall119: Heh comcast?
[13:31] <bkerensa> :D
[13:31] <mhall119> bkerensa: Brighthouse
[13:31] <bkerensa> Ahh
[13:31] <bkerensa> Yeah well... I have used Twitter to get fast results for a number of things
[13:32] <bkerensa> It was still frustrating dealing with this power company because I just wanted to give them money and they wouldnt tell me how much :D
[13:48] <jcastro> snap-l: heya
[13:48] <jcastro> wanna do that interview today?
[13:50] <mhall119> bkerensa: it's absurd when companies make it difficult for you to give them your money
[13:50] <bkerensa> mhall119: ikr
[13:50] <bkerensa> :D
[13:51] <bkerensa> mhall119: I guess the good news is that my bill was $162 less then the people who previously lived here
[13:51] <bkerensa> :D
[13:51] <snap-l> jcastro: What time would you like to do the interview?
[13:51] <jcastro> what's good for you?
[13:52] <snap-l> Around noon?
[13:52] <jcastro> perfect.
[13:52] <jcastro> phone?
[13:52] <snap-l> Phone, skype, whatever.
[13:52]  * jcastro will figure out how to record
[13:52] <snap-l> I have Skype Call Recorder
[13:52] <jcastro> oh perfect
[13:52] <jcastro> my wife has that but it's on her laptop and not here
[13:53] <jcastro> so if you could record it that would be <3 so I can transcribe it
[13:53] <snap-l> Sure thing
[13:53] <jcastro> it shouldn't take us more than 10minutes
[13:53] <snap-l> On my calendar.
[14:00] <jcastro> dholbach: dpm: balloons: mhall119: remember guys to ask if today's thing is in IRC or G+
[14:00] <dpm> jcastro, of course
[14:00] <jcastro> hey dpm
[14:00] <dpm> what!!? Are we having a meeting?
[14:00] <jcastro> so I want to have a charm contest, and I stole your app contest application thing
[14:01] <dpm> jcastro, no worries, I hope it's useful
[14:01] <jcastro> should I have a clause for employees?
[14:01] <jcastro> like, if someone got paid to do a charm and does one on their own time, that's good I guess.
[14:01] <jcastro> but it still feels kind of unfair
[14:01] <mhall119> jcastro: it's G+ as far as I know
[14:01] <jcastro> mhall119: I know it's  G+, I am saying, as soon as bacon joins
[14:02] <dpm> jcastro, good point. I'm jumping into a call, so I cannot discuss it right now, but yeah, that's something to bear in mind
[14:02] <jcastro> k
[14:22] <jcastro> mhall119: hah this guy on omg is awesome
[14:22] <jcastro> lenses are worthless, what we need is a new icon theme!
[14:23] <jcastro> mhall119: for the recipes
[14:23] <mhall119> jcastro: haters gotta hate
[14:23] <mhall119> jcastro: that's a nice lens though isn't it?
[14:23] <jcastro> an interesting use case would be search for "arroz con pollo"
[14:23] <jcastro> get the recipe
[14:23] <mhall119> I especially like how it has time and difficulty in the description
[14:23] <jcastro> then use the askubuntu lens to search cooking.stackexchange while you are making it
[14:23] <jcastro> sort of like, a multistep workflow
[14:24] <mhall119> hmmm, the dash isn't so great at that
[14:24] <jcastro> well, your recipe would be open in the browser already
[14:24] <jcastro> so it's like, open, search, close
[14:24] <jcastro> read for a while
[14:24] <jcastro> open, search, close again
[14:25] <mhall119> evidently the recipe website actually made some changes on their end for this lens' author
[14:25] <mhall119> which I thought was pretty cool
[14:25] <jcastro> wow, that's great
[14:26] <mhall119> sweet! Someone's already contributed a quicklist for totem
[14:28] <jcastro> I saw
[14:29] <jcastro> I had James Gifford do a partial collection back in the day
[14:29] <jcastro> https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesgifford/unity-quicklist-examples/trunk
[14:29] <jcastro> that might be worth investigating ^
[14:32] <mhall119> dholbach: ping
[14:32] <dholbach> mhall119, pong
[14:33] <mhall119> dholbach: I was warned yesterday that when people follow my blog and submit merge proposals with just their changes, that sponsors may ask them to use quilt to make deb patches
[14:33] <mhall119> I have no idea how that stuff works, so would you be able to help shephard contributors through that process?
[14:34] <mhall119> this Nekhelesh guy is kicking quicklist butt!
[14:34] <dholbach> sponsors will usually tell them what to do - I'd suggest to recommend http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/udd-patchsys.html#edit-patch
[14:35] <mhall119> dholbach: I tried to follow that, and must have done something wrong because it didn't seem to work right...
[14:35] <dholbach> ok - do you have the example still at hand?
[14:35] <dholbach> I mean - sure, I can answer questions, but it might be better to improve the docs so people know what to do - I don't scale very well :)
[14:35] <mhall119> maybe it's because it was 10pm, I'll try again with more coffee and fresher eyes
[14:35] <dholbach> sure, let me know how it goes
[14:35] <mhall119> ok
[14:44] <jcastro> mhall119: can we G+ for a few minutes before the team chat?
[14:45] <mhall119> jcastro: give me 15 minutes?
[14:46] <jcastro> sure
[15:01] <dholbach> how could we name a weekly Friday event where folks can come ask development questions and where we fix bugs together?
[15:01] <dholbach> Friday Bug-Fixing Drive? Anything more exciting and interesting? :)
[15:05] <jcastro> Fixit Fridays
[15:05] <dholbach> mhall119, if you want a quick run through how I'd go about fixing/changing geany, I can let you know
[15:06] <dholbach> nice
[15:06] <dholbach> I like Fixit Friday
[15:08] <mhall119> jcastro: ready when you are
[15:08] <mhall119> dholbach: I'd like that, I want to add more to the quicklist, but it'll  take code changes
[15:08] <mhall119> +1 on Fixit Friday
[15:09] <dholbach> mhall119, I'll have a look at it
[15:10] <jcastro> mhall119: ok firing it up!
[15:15] <dholbach> mhall119, http://paste.ubuntu.com/852781/ - sorry, there's a bit of German in there :)
[15:16] <dholbach> mhall119, the good thing about edit-patch is that it fires up 'dch' for you as well, so you get a nice changelog entry
[16:00] <jono> dholbach, dpm, jcastro, balloons, mhall119 going to be a few mins late, feel free to start hanging out and just invite me
[16:00] <dpm> jono, not sure about inviting you, but we'll start the hangout ;)
[16:00] <jcastro> hey are we on IRC or g+?
[16:01] <dholbach> jcastro, yeah, good question
[16:02] <jcastro> ok who is making the hang out
[16:02] <dpm> done
[16:02] <dpm> sent invite
[16:04] <dholbach> dpm, I guess you didn't only forget Jono but me as well? :-P
[16:04] <dholbach> ah no, it's just slow
[16:06] <balloons> hey.. filing some unity bugs atm.. I'll join your hngout dpm
[16:07] <dpm> balloons, no worries, just "hanging out" right now really
[17:01] <jono> all set?
[17:01] <jono> dholbach,
[17:01] <dholbach> yep
[17:02] <snap-l> jcastro: ping
[17:02] <jcastro> snap-l: let's do dis
[17:02] <jcastro> skype?
[17:02] <snap-l> si
[17:20] <jono> balloons, so did didrocks say grabbing the names from the test results is doable, so we can generate the web page?
[17:21] <balloons> jono, I didn't mention specifics to him.. just made sure he could help get the data out of launchpad
[17:21] <balloons> he said yes
[17:21] <jcastro> <--- lunch! bbi 20.
[17:21] <jono> balloons, ok, I think you might want to drive down to some specifics so we can plan the work out this week
[17:22] <jono> balloons, in the meantime can you start pulling together all the tests into a checkbox
[17:23] <balloons> yes, I am going to chat with kate about how to get it on the iso
[17:23] <balloons> that will move forward with the plan of how we're going to package the tests
[17:24] <balloons> i'll be chatting with the checkbox guys on that as well I'd imagine
[17:27] <jono> balloons, cool, could you flesh out the work items needed to deliver this in a Google Doc
[17:27] <jono> then we can make sure out the work is assigned to people
[17:27] <jono> as we are on a tight deadline
[17:27] <balloons> yes, I will do that after my talk with kate and have you take a look
[17:27] <jono> the good thing is that we laying down the foundations for beta2 testing too
[17:27] <jono> thanks balloons! :-)
[17:27] <jono> this is going to be ROCKING
[17:27] <balloons> make sure i'm not missing anything and get help on who to grab for the work :-)
[17:27] <jono> dpm, all set?
[17:28] <jono> balloons, indeed :-)
[17:28] <dpm> jono, yep!
[17:30] <dholbach> jcastro, are you sure https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/PowerManagementRC6 is enabled by default?
[17:30] <dholbach> or do I need to enable it manually still?
[17:33] <dholbach> ok, it actually might be
[17:34] <balloons> dholbach, should be on by default afaik
[17:34] <dholbach> cool :)
[17:35] <dholbach> alrightie - I think I'm going to call it a day now and chat a bit with my old office mates
[17:35] <balloons> powertop show any difference in wattage?
[17:35] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow
[17:35] <balloons> bye dholbach .. enjoy!
[17:35] <dholbach> balloons, no scientific tests, but since I rebooted it looks a lot better
[17:35] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow :)
[18:38] <jcastro> mhall119: heya
[18:38] <mhall119> jcastro: heyo
[18:38] <jcastro> probably a good round 2 or three
[18:38] <mhall119> huh?
[18:39] <jcastro> but if this goes awesome we could probably use a round for these guys: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11705677&postcount=16
[18:39] <jcastro> http://askubuntu.com/questions/30334/what-application-indicators-are-available
[18:39] <jcastro> oops sorry, mispaste
[18:39] <jcastro> basically like the quicklists, but for indicators, though these will be more complicated
[18:39] <jcastro> it'd be cool to get those guys maybe submitting the indicators to USC?
[18:40] <mhall119> jcastro: yeah, a but a good topic still, I'll write it up
[18:40] <jcastro> anyway since you blogged a big list I remembered this other list, heh
[18:40] <jcastro> though the barrier will be higher
[18:40] <jcastro> I wonder how many of these we can just ping the author "yo, here's developer.ubuntu.com, go get some."
[18:41] <mhall119> jcastro: I may blog the list, then ping the developer
[18:41] <mhall119> or the other way around...
[18:41] <jcastro> If I see Cas around I'll ping him
[18:41] <jcastro> he maintains the list, I wonder if he'd be willing to weed out the junky ones that don't work, etc.
[19:02] <davidcalle> jcastro, ping
[19:02] <jcastro> pong!
[19:02] <jcastro> hi dude!
[19:02] <davidcalle> hi!
[19:03] <davidcalle> jcastro, as an upstream, I need to have access to private bugs filed on my package and hggdh told me to ping you about it.
[19:04] <jcastro> I can put you in bug control
[19:04] <jcastro> what's your lpid?
[19:04] <davidcalle> davidc3
[19:04] <jcastro> done!
[19:04] <davidcalle> Thanks Jorge! :)
[19:04] <hggdh> davidcalle: welcome to Bug Control! :-)
[19:04]  * jcastro does the "great power, great responsibility" speech
[19:05] <s9iper1> :)
[19:05]  * hggdh endorses the speech
[19:05] <jcastro> hggdh: hey so, this is mhall119's domain now, can you add him as admin and I can show him how to do it?
[19:05]  * davidcalle is impressed by the speech.
[19:05] <hggdh> jcastro: certainly
[19:05] <jcastro> davidcalle: I trust you already to not go triaging libc6 bugs or something. :)
[19:06] <davidcalle> jcastro, evertyhing on Launchpad for more than two months should be marked as Fix Released, right?
[19:07] <jcastro> if only. :)
[19:08] <davidcalle> Hehe :)
[19:09] <hggdh> mhall119: you are now an admin on Bug Control. I repeat, in full, all of jcastro's speech on "Great Power, etc, etc"
[19:10] <jcastro> mhall119: I'll just chat with you on G+ on what that means, it's like, once a month you need to do it
[19:11] <hggdh> jcastro: so I understand that in the future we will bother mhall119, not you, re. upstreamers. Also, could you please update the wiki?
[19:11] <jcastro> yeah, the only reason I haven't is it hasn't come up yet, I'll update the wiki as soon as I explain to him what to do
[19:12] <hggdh> roj, thank you, dear sir
[19:17] <jono> jcastro, would you mind testing the accomp stuff?
[19:17] <jono> want to see if it works for you on Precise
[19:19] <jono> if anyone else on Precise wants to test Ubuntu Accomplishments, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments/Installing
[19:21] <jcastro> jono: I have to close off this legal stuff with amanda before she EODs
[19:21] <jcastro> jono: 30 min ok?
[19:21] <jcastro> she's almost done
[19:21] <jono> np
[19:22] <jcastro> this isn't so bad, it's just adding a bunch of lawyer stuff to the rules
[19:22] <jcastro> "oh and if this charm makes your computer explode you won't sue Canonical Ltd."
[19:23] <mhall119> hggdh: did you just give me spidey-powers?
[19:26] <hggdh> mhall119: the power to control bugcontrol...
[19:26] <hggdh> so not really spidey-powers, but near
[19:27] <mhall119> hggdh: so I can't cling to the walls of buildings?
[19:27] <hggdh> mhall119: well, you can try :-)
[19:28]  * hggdh is not responsible for any (un)expected results
[19:28] <hggdh> but I will sit down, with popcorn, and watch
[19:31] <s9iper1> :)
[19:34] <jono> brb rebooting
[19:53] <czajkowski> what is the command to uninstall a ppa ?
[19:54] <jono> ppa-purge
[19:55] <jono> czajkowski, http://bigbrovar.aoizora.org/index.php/2010/01/10/how-to-safely-remove-ppa-repository-from-ubuntu/
[19:55] <czajkowski> jono: thanks
[19:55] <jono> np
[19:55] <jono> lunch, brb
[19:58] <MrChrisDruif> jono; ppa-purge?
[19:58] <czajkowski> so need sleep :/
[19:58] <MrChrisDruif> I'd say "add-apt-repository -r"
[20:07] <mhall119> ppa-purge will uninstall any packages you installed from the ppa, or revert any packages that were upgraded from it
[20:12] <jcastro> ppa purge can be wonky too
[20:12] <jcastro> sometimes it messed up
[20:13] <jcastro> snap-l: can you PM me that dropbox URL with the audio?
[20:13] <jcastro> I had it in my copy paste buffer, which in linux is like, russian roulette
[20:14] <snap-l> hah
[20:16] <jono> balloons, doc looks good
[20:16] <jono> now break down the steps into work items with assignmentsa
[20:16] <jono> and then we can put deadlines on the work items
[20:16] <jono> and everything should fall in place
[20:16] <balloons> yes.. talking with kate again
[20:17] <jono> cool
[20:24] <jcastro> jono: ok so after I add my lp address
[20:24] <jcastro> it should figure out my stuff, and then award me some trophies right away right?
[20:25] <jono> jcastro, yep
[20:25] <jcastro> I like how the trophies have project logos on them
[20:25] <jcastro> that will enable other projects to just dive in
[20:25] <jcastro> zeitgeist, etc.
[20:25] <jcastro> ok it appears to be running and then I got an U1 thing that it is syncing
[20:26] <jono> ok maybe my server is not syncing, let me check
[20:26] <jcastro> hah cute, the U1 notification basically lets me cheat, it tells me "fridge-editor.trophy" is being uploaded before the trophy app itself tells me
[20:27] <jono> jcastro, yeah, I want to surpress them
[20:27] <jono> I have a bug open about it
[20:27] <jono> ok keep it open jcastro
[20:27] <jono> looks like U1 is slow on the server
[20:27] <jcastro> ok so my trophies are all correct and were awarded correctly in my .local/share/accomplishments/trophies
[20:27] <jcastro> the gui just hasn't caught up yet
[20:27] <jono> they are not awarded yet
[20:27] <jono> they havent been validated
[20:28] <jcastro> oh ok
[20:28] <jcastro> so that's like "things we think jorge has earned, let me go check."?
[20:28] <jono> hang fire
[20:28]  * jcastro nods
[20:29] <jcastro> hmm, we need trophy titles, that's what makes them so funny on the xbox
[20:29] <jono> aha
[20:29] <jono> U1 woke up :-)
[20:30] <jono> hang fire for a sec jcastro
[20:30] <jono> you should see your trophies coming
[20:30] <jcastro> hah, I went to the bathroom
[20:30] <jcastro> and blam, they started coming in
[20:30] <jono> :-)
[20:30] <jcastro> I got my 3!
[20:30] <jono> which ones?
[20:30] <jcastro> the ones I am supposed to have, member, fridge editor, launchpad
[20:30] <jono> cool
[20:31] <jono> well some others are unlocked now
[20:31] <jcastro> which is a funny one, since you need to be registered on launchpad to use the thing
[20:31] <jcastro> I guess that's the freebie
[20:31] <jono> so on the next check you should get the filed bug one
[20:31] <jcastro> I see it
[20:31] <jcastro> ok so it should sync again
[20:31] <jono> it checks every two mins
[20:31] <jcastro> and then realize I've done that, and I should get it in 2 minutes
[20:31] <jono> give it another min or so
[20:31]  * jcastro nods
[20:31] <jcastro> hah, freaking cool man
[20:31] <jono> :-)
[20:32] <jono> now all I need you to do is learn launchpadlib and contribute some accomplishments :-)
[20:32] <mhall119> there be dragons
[20:33] <jcastro> jono: and there it is, nice!
[20:33] <jono> :-)
[20:33] <mhall119> actually there be lazr.restful, which is worse than dragons
[20:33] <jcastro> we just need to fix these example ones to not be so spammy
[20:33] <jcastro> "filed first bug" is just asking for trouble
[20:33] <jono> possibly
[20:34] <jcastro> I think just narrowing it down would be  useful
[20:34] <mhall119> we need a way to revoke trophies "Filed a useless bug, we're not going to move the window controls"
[20:34] <jono> lol
[20:34] <jcastro> "submitted first bug crash" would be more useful because the person would be submitting something useful
[20:34] <mhall119> or maybe just auto-award troll-phies
[20:35] <jcastro> the one I want to see
[20:35] <jono> jcastro, did you get the Juju one?
[20:35] <jcastro> is "sabdfl'ed: One of your bug reports has been marked Opinion by Mark Shuttleworth".
[20:35] <jcastro> jono: my charm isn't official yet so I should not have gotten it (and I didn't)
[20:36] <jono> jcastro, cool
[20:36] <jcastro> theoretically I should receive it as soon as the upstream releases what I need to make it into the store"
[20:36] <jono> it checks if you are in the team
[20:36] <jono> jcastro, well not really
[20:36] <jono> it checks for team membership
[20:36] <jono> we another another accomp if it is in the store
[20:36] <jono> jcastro, so wanna write some?
[20:36] <jono> :-)
[20:36] <jcastro> hmmm, ok I think I found a bug
[20:37] <jcastro> I am in the team
[20:37] <jono> which team?
[20:37] <jcastro> ~charm-contributors
[20:37] <jono> right
[20:37] <jono> no trophy yet?
[20:37] <jcastro> nope
[20:37] <jono> it just hasnt synced down yet
[20:37] <jono> I see the trophy was created and signed
[20:38] <jono> for both -contributor and -reviewer
[20:38] <jcastro> shouldn't it have synced down with the 2nd time it synced?
[20:38] <jono> yeah, but U1 may be being a little slow
[20:38] <jono> I see it in the share, so it should sync soon
[20:38] <jcastro> ah ok
[20:38] <jcastro> I don't think being realtime is important anyway
[20:38] <mhall119> I don't understand why it would be slow, running on that big iron
[20:38] <jono> indeed
[20:38] <jono> particularly as it happens in the background
[20:38] <jcastro> actually, you might want to artifically make it so you can't get like 3 of them at once
[20:39] <jcastro> like on the xbox it spaces them out even if you win them at once
[20:39] <jcastro> that way it's not like "OH I AM AWESOME" one minute, and then you spend 3 weeks with nothing.
[20:39] <jono> jcastro, maybe
[20:40] <jono> I think people just need to deal with their insecurities instead
[20:40] <jono> lol
[20:40] <jcastro> heh
[20:40] <jono> but good idea
[20:40] <jono> there are tonnes of refinements we can make to it
[20:40] <jcastro> these are totally killer for the human mind
[20:40] <jcastro> I used to rent games
[20:40] <jono> jcastro, glad it works for you
[20:40] <jcastro> play them just for accomplishments
[20:40] <jcastro> and then return it
[20:40] <jcastro> I wouldn't even bother to finish the game
[20:40] <jono> lol
[20:40] <jcastro> I just wanted the trophies
[20:40] <jono> this is why the choice of accomplishments needs to be carefully considere
[20:41]  * jcastro nods
[20:41] <jono> I want to reduce people gaming thew system
[20:41] <jcastro> well, people will game it, I think the trick is, to make it so that even if people game it they end up doing something that is useful to the project.
[20:41] <jcastro> let's say I game "reported a crasher". It's still a useful dump.
[20:41] <jono> indeed
[20:41] <jono> and it is all about new experiences
[20:41] <jono> not traffic
[20:41]  * jcastro nods
[20:41] <jono> 50 bug comments = not useful
[20:42] <jono> first bug report = useful
[20:42] <jono> as they actually filed a bug
[20:42] <jono> and now know how to do it
[20:42] <jcastro> I would say first confirmed bug, but I am just bikeshedding
[20:43] <jcastro> jono: fyi when you click on a trophy the highlight is orange and the trophy is orange, so it gets all invisible
[20:43] <jono> I see how you carefully avoided my questions about if you will write some Juju accomplishments ;-)
[20:43] <jono> jcastro, yup, I saw that
[20:43] <jono> I will file a bug
[20:43] <jcastro> I will certainly improve my descriptions now that I realize you asked for one thing and not the other
[20:44] <jono> cool
[20:44] <jcastro> and I will evade the accomplishments writing by saying I will have a guy look at doing it, but once he's done with some charms.
[20:44] <jono> the main thing I need now are more accomplishments
[20:44] <jono> lol, that's right, shovel it onto some poor soul
[20:44] <jono> :-)
[20:44] <jcastro> that won't be a problem, I am kind of maxed out on people doing things for juju though
[20:44] <jono> learning a bit of launchpadlib might be useful
[20:44] <jono> it is really handy
[20:45] <jcastro> well, popey and I signed up for this "learn how to code" thing
[20:45] <jcastro> which is useful, but not enough where I can dive in
[20:45] <jcastro> of course the onus is on me to find other ways to contribute to it, I've just been kind of slammed with work
[20:45] <jcastro> I mean, I want to help you more, but my boss is always on me about work stuff
[20:45] <jcastro> maybe you can help me out?
[20:46] <jono> lol
[20:46] <jono> excuses excuses
[20:46] <jono> j/k
[20:46] <jcastro> hey
[20:46] <jcastro> have you thought about hidden trophies?
[20:46] <jcastro> like, "accidental ones"
[20:47] <jcastro> hmm, this is one thing that would be hard with OSS
[20:47] <jcastro> so on some games they don't tell you what the achievements all are
[20:47] <jcastro> so you earn like "10 out of 25"
[20:47] <jcastro> and the manual tells you the 10
[20:47] <jono> could be an interesting option in the future
[20:47] <jcastro> and then you have to go figure out what the other 15 are.
[20:48] <jcastro> it drives me crazy
[20:50] <akgraner> jono and jcastro you two make me laugh and totally make me miss being active in this channel :-P
[20:51] <jcastro> linaro got you busy?
[20:56] <balloons> yay for rain! finally, so so dry here
[20:57] <jcastro> jono: call in 3?
[20:58] <jono> akgraner, :-)
[20:58] <jono> jcastro, yup
[20:58] <akgraner> jcastro, yep
[20:58] <jcastro> akgraner: hey alright!
[20:59] <akgraner> jcastro, it's totally awesome
[20:59] <akgraner> (but shhh don't tell your boss but it makes me respect him more)
[21:00] <akgraner> this community building stuff isn't as easy as you all make it look - but it's freakin fun and exciting :-)
[21:00] <jono> akgraner, :-)
[21:01]  * akgraner goes back to work now... just popping in to say hi!
[21:02] <jono> jcastro, sending invite now
[21:02] <jcastro> \m/
[21:07]  * MrChrisDruif still need to look at jono's youtube upload ^_^
[21:14]  * balloons waves at akgraner 
[21:15] <akgraner> hey balloons so I'm getting a new iso from today b/c yesterday's build ubiquity segfaulted on me
[21:17] <akgraner> and when I updated my main machine I had to re-install the ubuntu desktop with ^ b/c I couldn't get the hud to install (all b/c I had removed qwibber)
[21:17] <mhall119> jcastro: rebooted, but no significant drop in power usage
[21:18] <mhall119> I have a core 2 duo though, so maybe too old to benefit
[21:21] <akgraner> mhall119, I'm following Michelle's bug filing technique atm :-)
[21:21] <balloons> akgraner, if you reinstall
[21:21] <balloons> hud and unity 5.4 are in the archive..
[21:22] <mhall119> akgraner: modified to fit your household I hope
[21:22]  * mhall119 has enough bugs to file
[21:22] <balloons> so by default you should get uunity 5.4 that includes hud.. no need for ppa's atm fyi
[21:22] <akgraner> :-)  yep re-installing my test machine now
[21:22] <balloons> i have another unity bug to file too
[21:22] <balloons> so many today
[21:25] <czajkowski> precise was oh so stable till last week
[21:25] <czajkowski> friday evening lost my dekstop
[21:25] <czajkowski> today everything is slow to redraw and freezing
[21:25] <czajkowski> feature freeze = broken machine :/
[21:26] <balloons> gotta push the last of it in
[21:26] <balloons> you know that :-)
[21:26] <czajkowski> yeah wish some testing had been done before landing :/
[21:26] <czajkowski> having no desktop and having to wait 4 hrs for a fix is a bit a pita :/
[21:26]  * balloons shamefully lowers his head
[21:27] <balloons> czajkowski, we actually did test.. alot in fact
[21:27] <balloons> so.. it could have been worse? I guess that's conselation?
[21:27] <balloons> :-)
[21:27] <czajkowski> balloons: aye you cant test for all test cases I'm fully aware
[21:27] <czajkowski> just seems since feature freeze a lotta stuff is very broken which was fine till now
[21:27] <balloons> we'll get better.. we've got good stuff planned moving forward
[21:28] <czajkowski> yup everything always improves
[21:28] <czajkowski> it's all good even if a little bit frustating but thats why I test unstable :)
[21:28] <balloons> we want to show <3 to anyone brave enough to run the development version.. We need the active feedback
[21:28] <czajkowski> yup filing the bugs and working on them with devs
[21:29] <czajkowski> working on my redraw and compiz today with bryceh
[21:31] <jono> balloons, all set?
[21:31] <jono> mhall119, btw, cool how you are updating the post with saying things are done
[21:32] <jono> but the bugs linked in the post that are done dont seem to be updated or have links to branches
[21:32] <akgraner> looks like a successful re-install :-)
[21:32] <balloons> yearp
[21:33] <jono> balloons, sending an invite
[21:34] <mhall119> jono: yeah, I didn't have them using --fixes lp:12345 on their commit, so I've been manually linking branches to bugs
[21:35] <jono> mhall119, gotcha
[22:19] <AlanBell> balloons: you just achieved the sabdfl'ed accomplishment
[22:20] <balloons> yes indeed
[22:20] <AlanBell> or close to it anyhow :)
[22:20] <balloons> pretty epic
[22:25] <bkerensa> heh
[22:25] <bkerensa> jono how do I install accomplishments?
[22:28] <ahayzen> bkerensa: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments/Installing
[22:29] <jono> bkerensa, just read my blog entry it explains how
[22:36] <bkerensa> jono: When are we going to have  joint list for regional Canonical workers and LoCo's
[22:36] <bkerensa> :)
[22:36] <jono> bkerensa, a what?
[22:36] <bkerensa> jono: a list I can ping when we have events that local Canonical employees see
[22:36] <bkerensa> :)
[22:37] <jono> bkerensa, that Canonical employees see?
[22:37] <AlanBell> that isn't the right way to approach that issue
[22:37] <AlanBell> "how can we encourage all canonical employees to sign up to their LoCo mailing lists?" would be a better question
[22:37] <bkerensa> my POC stopped working for Canonical at least temporarily so I don't know if that person still has access to the local Canonical mailing list to ping the locals
[22:38] <jono> AlanBell, agreed
[22:39] <bkerensa> AlanBell: That would be nice but I think what has happened at least locally is that the folks out here are on so many mailing list and channels even that if they can skip one more e-mail it makes their day much easier
[22:39] <bkerensa> I have generally just sent event announcements upstream through a Canonical POC
[22:39] <jono> bkerensa, if Canonical people dont want to attend, there isnt much we can do about it
[22:39] <jono> and Canonical people should be treated no differently to any other people
[22:39] <jono> either in a good or bad way :-)
[22:40] <jono> well, maybe a good way
[22:40] <jono> lol
[22:40] <bkerensa> jono: Its not about not wanting to attend more about them not wanting to subscribe to ML :D
[22:40] <bkerensa> jono: Oh no mistreating the Canonical folks eh? :P
[22:40] <czajkowski> balloons: some loco ml are rather noisy
[22:40] <jono> bkerensa, right, but we shouldnt force them to
[22:40] <jono> they should want to
[22:40]  * AlanBell suspects there are more than 8 canonical people in the UK
[22:40] <czajkowski> balloons: they could already be on enough ml tbh
[22:40] <jono> bkerensa, and not everyone is interested in LoCos
[22:40] <AlanBell> but that is how many are signed up to the uk mailing list with a canonical.com address
[22:41] <bkerensa> AlanBell: Only 8? Wow... We have at least 8 in just Portland and one or two across the state
[22:41] <popey> AlanBell: how many with an ubuntu.com address?
[22:41] <AlanBell> popey: probably some more that way, but I do know that if I mail stuff to the mailing list I have to go poke people separately to get it circulated at millbank
[22:42] <AlanBell> 13 @ubuntu.com addresses in total (one is jono)
[22:43] <bkerensa> heh
[22:44] <bkerensa> There are five ubuntu.com addresses on our list
[22:44] <technoviking> afternoon all
[22:45] <bkerensa> technoviking: Ello
[22:45] <AlanBell> it isn't massively meaningful (I am subscribed with a gmail account), but I do know that if there are events and things we are doing in London Canonical folk don't get to hear about them unless I go to Millbank tower and print out a flyer and stick it on the fridge
[22:45] <popey> 5 of the 13 work for canonical
[22:46] <popey> I'm happy to forward mails to the millbank list
[22:47] <AlanBell> that is great
[22:47] <jcastro> jono: ping
[22:48] <jcastro> jono: do you have a link to our graphs handy?
[22:48] <jono> jcastro, charms?
[22:48] <jcastro> I have kapil on G+ and I'd like to show him our team graphs
[22:48] <jono> jcastro, which graphs?
[22:48] <jcastro> no, the ones daniel and mhall use
[22:48] <jono> sure, one sec
[22:50] <czajkowski> AlanBell: as can I :)
[22:51] <jono> czajkowski, mhall119, cjohnston, daker, good to join the LoCo Call in 9?
[22:52] <AlanBell> yeah, the number of pokeable people is expanding all the time, but I still think there is a place for some more internal awareness of LoCo teams
[22:52] <czajkowski> jono: yup
[22:52] <AlanBell> night all o/
[22:52] <jono> awesome
[22:52] <czajkowski> AlanBell: there could just be a lack of interest in locos
[22:52] <jono> night AlanBell!
[22:52]  * AlanBell is in London tomorrow
[22:52] <czajkowski> AlanBell: nn
[22:53] <cjohnston> I'm out this week
[22:53]  * czajkowski has been up since 6:30
[22:53] <czajkowski> the wrong day to get up early
[23:01] <jono> czajkowski, mhall119, daker creating hangout
[23:01] <czajkowski> ok
[23:03] <czajkowski> jono: not seeing the notification
[23:04] <czajkowski> got it
[23:23] <jcastro> AlanBell: around?
[23:28] <mhall119> jono: forgot about the hangout, is it still going on?
[23:32] <jcastro> man dude
[23:32] <jcastro> snap-l: I have an awesome story
[23:33] <jcastro> jono: feel free to listen in and make fun of me
[23:33] <jcastro> hey so growing up "my" Maiden was like Somewhere in Time and things like 7th song, never really things like Killers and the old stuff
[23:33] <jcastro> so when I really got into Maiden was in the mp3 age
[23:33] <jcastro> so I've never actually listened to Killers in order
[23:33] <jcastro> always in shuffle
[23:34] <jcastro> anyway, on Sirius they /always/ play Ides of March and Wrathchild as one song
[23:34] <jcastro> not like, the MP3's where it's separate songs.
[23:34] <jcastro> anyway, after hearing it, I feel like I missed the entire experience of having 2 songs being back to back like that.
[23:34] <jcastro> and that's my story
[23:35] <jcastro> actually, that story isn't awesome at all
[23:36] <mhall119> cool story bro
[23:36] <mhall119> :)
[23:37] <jcastro> actually, when Ides came on the radio my wife went "Ohh, Rush!", then it got all Maiden.
[23:37] <jcastro> snap-l: agree with me here
[23:37] <mhall119> *crickets*
[23:38] <jcastro> mhall119: I don't think it's been made clear enough that post-work hours this channel is really #ubuntu-metal.
[23:47] <jono> mhall119, nope, we quit it
[23:47] <jono> jcastro, I know what you mean, man
[23:47] <mhall119> jono: sorry, I forgot we were starting them back up
[23:47]  * mhall119 was reading to the kids
[23:47] <jono> mhall119, no worries
[23:54] <snap-l> jcastro: It's not until recently that I too got into Maiden
[23:54] <snap-l> but I bought the CD
[23:54] <snap-l> because I rip FLAC. :)
[23:56] <snap-l> although I have had some weird recommendations when people find out that I like Rush
[23:56] <snap-l> s/like/love/
[23:56] <snap-l> LIke at Holland CD, the owner recommended I check out Golden Earring
[23:57] <snap-l> Pretty sure Radar Love is not the same as The Fountain of Lamneth