=== OutOfControl_ is now known as OutOfControl === OutOfControl_ is now known as OutOfControl === bladernr_ is now known as bladernr_afk === GatoLoko^ is now known as GatoLoko === chrisccoulson_ is now known as chrisccoulson === greyback is now known as greyback|lunch === yofel_ is now known as yofel === bladernr_afk is now known as bladernr_ === greyback|lunch is now known as greyback === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [16:01] * slangasek waves [16:01] hi [16:01] * stgraber waves [16:01] #startmeeting [16:01] Meeting started Wed Feb 22 16:01:43 2012 UTC. The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [16:01] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [16:01] [TOPIC] lightning round === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: lightning round [16:02] well, down by two today... should be a quick meeting yes? :) [16:02] $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber ev bdmurray slangasek) [16:02] stgraber bdmurray barry ev doko slangasek [16:02] hello [16:02] - Networking [16:02] - SRUs for ifenslave/vlan/bridge-utils are finally in oneiric-updates! [16:02] - Did some more IPv6 testing, trying to switch to single-stack for part of my network so testing current radvd, NM and squid. Filed a few bugs for cyphermox :) [16:02] - Updated isc-dhcp to 4.1-ESV-R4 that's their Extended Support Version, did a call for testing and will upload it later today. [16:02] - Friendly-Recovery [16:02] - Implemented the 'system information' option and did a few more bugfixes. James proposed some good changes, will review the merge and ask for a FFe to get that added. [16:02] - LTSP [16:02] - Released LTSP 5.3 after two years of development (well, 729 days so not "exactly"), uploaded to Ubuntu. 5.3.1 has already been released as bugfix release but I'll probably wait till 5.3.2 to update Ubuntu. [16:02] - Still some work on the udeb needed to finally kill bug 813837 [16:02] Launchpad bug 813837 in ltsp (Ubuntu Precise) "ltsp client not able to load boot file: ltsp/amd64.tmp/pxelinux.0" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/813837 [16:02] - TPM [16:02] - Got pretty close to having a working TPM authenticating on wireless, everything seems to work except for some broken pkcs11 output and problems using the private key... [16:03] - Started looking at bug 934799, can probably be fixed by manually trigger the udev rule or doing the chown/chmod in the postinst [16:03] Launchpad bug 934799 in trousers (Ubuntu) "trousers start script has exit status 137" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/934799 [16:03] - Also bug 926305 is high on the TPM todo list [16:03] Launchpad bug 926305 in opencryptoki (Ubuntu) "fails to load modules for pkcs11 backends" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/926305 [16:03] - Installer [16:03] - Merged a couple of fixes in Ubiquity, updated test suite and uploaded a new Ubiquity, will spend a lot more time working on installer bugs from now on. [16:03] - Containers [16:03] - Uploaded updated udev to avoid flooding the host with events when a container boots. [16:03] - Some bugfixes for the Ubuntu template and review of the Ubuntu server guide's section on LXC. [16:03] - Other [16:03] - pastebinit 1.3 has now been released and is in Precise [16:03] - Did quite a few last minute sponsoring of new packages for Precise, most of them are in source NEW [16:03] (done [16:03] ) [16:03] short week as monday was a holiday [16:03] tested bug 933035 regarding resolvconf [16:03] merged bug patterns from Vadim Rutkovsky [16:03] bug control application review for brettcornwall [16:03] bugbot fix for package-install-segfault re and mythfrontend [16:03] Launchpad bug 933035 in resolvconf (Ubuntu) "Upgrade from 11.10 to Precise: resolvconf 1.63ubuntu7 fails to configure with "cp: cannot create regular file `/run/resolvconf/resolv.conf': No such file or directory"" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/933035 [16:04] bug triage of some ubiquity hard disk error bugs [16:04] duplicate finding kernel install failures on live media (bug 932663) [16:04] duplicate finding filesystem.size missing (bug 557388) [16:04] Launchpad bug 932663 in casper (Ubuntu) "kernel upgrade failed on a USB live system created by usb-creator" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/932663 [16:04] Launchpad bug 557388 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity crashes over recipe that leads to "Missing filesystem.size."" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/557388 [16:04] flot / jquery work to dynamically set the size of the div for the recent package bug task graphs [16:04] modifications to recent package bug tasks graph not to fade the colors of the stacked bar [16:04] moved the legend in flot outside of the graph [16:04] recent package bug graphs making the labels on the y-axis hyperlinks to full launchpad searches [16:04] fixed lucid-proposed version of update-manager (apport hook) [16:04] update of OneiricOcelot release notes regarding wubi (regarding rev 241) [16:04] wrote lp-grab-descriptions based on lp-grab-attachments [16:04] ubiquity apport package hook modifications to fix bug 874727 [16:04] Launchpad bug 874727 in apport (Ubuntu Precise) "media error bug report blocking is incomplete" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/874727 [16:04] ␗ [16:07] barry: [16:07] telepathy-qt4 ftbfs, libdbusmenu ftbfs, bug 934592 (oneconf ftbfs), sync python-keyring, python issue 13703 (hash collision dos issue), sync'd sphinx, claws-mail, claws-mail-extra-plugins. todo: looking at ftbfs and nbs reports; bugs, bugs, bugs and more +1 maint work; still working on python issue 13703, hopefully will have joint release candidates in the next day or two. 𝄢 [16:07] Launchpad bug 934592 in oneconf (Ubuntu) "Out of date po/POTFILES.in causes FTBFS" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/934592 [16:08] ev: [16:09] - Released some new versions of whoopsie (0.1.8, 0.1.9, and 0.1.10). [16:09] - Don't start the crash reporting daemon if crash reporting is turned off. [16:09] - Cleaned up of the core processing code and much of the backend code, in [16:09] preparation for deployment. [16:09] - Filed RT 51011 for deploying the crash database. Had a catch up with James [16:09] to discuss where things stand. [16:09] - Started leveraging cloud-init to build out an end to end system testing [16:09] framework, so we can ensure that every change works all the way down to the [16:09] database. [16:09] - Figured out, with help from #bzr, how to merge a subdirectory of a branch [16:09] into a subdirectory of another branch without losing history. Case in [16:09] point, moving Whoopsie's GNOME Control Center preferences page into [16:09] activity-log-manager: [16:09] bzr fast-export /tmp/whoopsie-export [16:09] bzr fast-import-filter -i preferences/ /tmp/whoopsie-export > /tmp/whoopsie-export-filter [16:10] bzr fast-import /tmp/whoopsie-export-filter /tmp/whoopsie-export-branch [16:10] cd /tmp/whoopsie-export-branch [16:10] bzr mkdir diagnostics [16:10] bzr mv * diagnostics [16:10] bzr commit [16:10] cd ~/bzr/activity-log-manager [16:10] bzr merge -r0..-1 /tmp/whoopsie-export-branch [16:10] bzr mv diagnostics src/diagnostics [16:10] bzr commit [16:10] - Moved the crash reporting preferences page from a separate page into a tab [16:10] in the activity-log-manager page: [16:10] https://code.launchpad.net/~ev/activity-log-manager/whoopsie/+merge/93899 [16:10] - Finally finished addressing all of Martin's concerns in my apport merge, [16:10] after lots of subsequent fixes \o/: [16:10] https://code.launchpad.net/~ev/apport/whoopsie/+merge/92753 [16:10] - Interview calls. [16:10] (done!) [16:10] surprisingly short today ... [16:10] ev: you should write that up somewhere more permanent than irc :) [16:10] - openjdk-7 build, currently building in precise [16:10] - fixing and forwarding issues in openjdk7 and -web to IcedTea [16:10] - openjdk6 pull from the branch to fix GC issues on ARM [16:10] - eglibc fixes (gdm restart, ARM dbg package, reboot required) [16:10] - look into some gcc-4.6 issues [16:10] - python2.7 and python3.2 merges for FF. [16:11] - look into gcc-4.7 bootstrap failures on ARM (now fixed) [16:11] - help Linaro understanding the eglibc packaging (Ken working on builds) [16:11] done [16:11] barry: :) [16:12] are the apport UI changes landed, then? I noticed my last crash had a different dialog [16:13] yes, finally [16:13] * short week, celebrated Président Day on Monday by eating camembert and butter [16:13] * resolvconf upload fixing the last of the known issues [16:13] * new upstream release of qemu-linaro uploaded; now usable as a buildd on a hardy kernel [16:13] * upload cmake to let more packages in precise/main be auto-cross-buildable [16:13] * work on getting upstart in Ubuntu into a usable state [16:13] * interviewing [16:13] done [16:13] any questions? [16:14] [TOPIC] Bugs === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Bugs [16:14] Andreas Moog did file the ftbfs issues from the last test rebuild, so I hadn't to do it [16:14] Not too many to look at today [16:15] good, I gorged myself on bugs yesterday at Mardi Gras anyway [16:15] I assigned bug 883618 to the team recently [16:15] Launchpad bug 883618 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Console upgrade useless.. XSet warnings all over the screen" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/883618 [16:15] would be nice if somebody could approve the setting of the precice release branch [16:15] doko: what do you mean? [16:15] slangasek: ew [16:15] barry: ;) [16:16] bdmurray: yeah, I was just assigning that one to jodh [16:16] slangasek: and right before lunch! [16:16] slangasek: okay, great [16:16] heh, sorry [16:16] :) [16:16] fwiw I didn't see any references to xset in the current update-manager code, so I'm not sure where that comes from [16:16] hmm, looks like it already is: see bug 935038 [16:16] Launchpad bug 935038 in ball (Ubuntu Precise) "ball version 1.4.1+20111206-3 FTBFS on armhf in precise" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/935038 [16:17] we just need to confirm these [16:17] doko: as in, marking them confirmed? [16:17] yes [16:18] I'm not sure that matters anymore, now that LP automatically moves half the bugs to "confirmed" as soon as someone comments on them [16:18] heh [16:18] comments on? that's a bit unfair [16:18] its even easier you just have to click affects me too ;-) [16:18] so now we ignore bugs in state Confirmed instead if New? ;-P [16:19] of even [16:19] "triaged" maybe makes a difference; but they should be obvious anyway... don't see the point in spending the effort moving the bug state around [16:19] let's just fix the bugs instead :) [16:19] doko: exactly ;) [16:20] slangasek, makes sense, thare are more to ignore ;) [16:20] bdmurray: doesn't it also do it when someone comments though? which is much less certain to indicate that it's a confirmed bug [16:20] can't type today [16:20] bdmurray: anyway, any other bugs in the menagerie? [16:20] slangasek: no affects me too or a bug is made a duplicate of it [16:20] ah, ok [16:20] bug 936761 - is there anything to be done there? [16:20] Launchpad bug 936761 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Mythbuntu upgrade from Lucid to Precise pulls in all of unity" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/936761 [16:21] looks like the desktop team needs to fix it [16:22] reassigned the bug to gnome-session [16:22] thanks [16:23] then bug 824708 has a rather high heat as a lot of people have said it affects them [16:23] Launchpad bug 824708 in aptitude (Ubuntu) "Changelog download failed: Download queue destroyed." [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/824708 [16:23] slangasek: I've noticed Xubuntu and Mythbuntu at some point started assuming that they always get installed from a media where they contorl the available set of packages, not sure if it's related though. [16:24] stgraber: sorta-related [16:24] the moral of the story is, they shouldn't do that :) [16:24] slangasek: so for example installing Xubuntu from netinstall will get you unity-greeter that will crash at boot time. Installing from media, they don't have unity-greeter and so fallback to lightdm-gtk-greeter which is what they want and so works [16:24] that's currently making the automated upgrades for at least Xubuntu fail (so I turned them off for now as they're aware of the issue) [16:24] they should ensure there are suitable alternatives in the underlying dependencies and use a metapackage to express their preferences [16:25] bdmurray: do you know why pitti has set a milestone for 824708? [16:25] bug 824708 [16:25] slangasek: no I do not [16:25] Launchpad bug 824708 in aptitude (Ubuntu) "Changelog download failed: Download queue destroyed." [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/824708 [16:26] oh, he was just pushing an a2 milestone forward [16:26] so it has high heat, but I don't think it's something for us to spend time on [16:26] they can just use 'apt-get changelog' instead [16:27] (and aptitude has much more serious problems in precise, since it doesn't do multiarch) [16:27] okay, makes sense [16:28] anything else? [16:28] that's all from me [16:28] cool [16:28] [TOPIC] AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: AOB [16:29] anything more to discuss? the floor's open :) [16:29] the armel panda buildds did land [16:30] but not yet the third powerpc [16:30] I've pestered IS about the powerpc already [16:30] the RT ticket has a deadline of Mar 1 [16:30] which I'm told gets looked at :) [16:31] (and there's activity on the ticket in the past week) [16:33] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [16:33] Meeting ended Wed Feb 22 16:33:15 2012 UTC. [16:33] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-22-16.01.moin.txt [16:33] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-22-16.01.html [16:33] the end [16:33] thanks all [16:34] thanks! [16:34] thanks! === CharlieMike is now known as ayan === Guest51693 is now known as Zic [17:05] yikes yikes.. [17:05] 10 mins early to 5 mins late.. so easy to do [17:05] everyone ready? [17:06] #startmeeting Ubuntu QA [17:06] Meeting started Wed Feb 22 17:06:08 2012 UTC. The chair is balloons. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [17:06] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Ubuntu QA Meeting | Current topic: [17:06] Can we get a roll call of who's about? :-) [17:06] o/ [17:06] o/ [17:08] alrighty... so let's get into the agenda [17:08] [TOPIC] Previous Actions === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Ubuntu QA Meeting | Current topic: Previous Actions [17:08] ACTION: phillw to update wiki to better reflect activities and automated testing pages [17:09] I've just edited https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam so Automated testing is on the front page, does it need to be highlighted further? [17:09] yes, I see that [17:09] nice [17:09] The actual page reads well as it is. I don't want to make it too long and involved that it is hard to follow. [17:10] I would add the only other change I would make (and perhaps I can learn how, or someone can help) is to add a big icon at the top for the activities link [17:10] thoughts on that [17:10] ? [17:10] That can be done. [17:12] ok, not wanting to add to your workload.. I'll walk down this sidepath a moment [17:12] mm [17:12] looks like I edit this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Header [17:12] that was the key I was missing I think [17:13] balloons: that's right, the 'fun' bit is choosing the icon :) [17:13] ok, I'll take that action as a learning item [17:13] hehe [17:13] [ACTION] balloons to edit the wiki to add activities as an icon link :-) [17:13] ACTION: balloons to edit the wiki to add activities as an icon link :-) [17:13] ok, that's it for previous items [17:14] [TOPIC] Ubuntu Updates === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Ubuntu QA Meeting | Current topic: Ubuntu Updates [17:14] jibel, gema you about? [17:16] guess not :-) [17:16] Well, as everyone knows beta1 is coming up soon, and we're going to have some rounds of testing again as part of that [17:17] We are trying to get more people involved in the iso testing, and in addition, make it easier for people who want to help, to be able to do so [17:18] currently the process is a bit confusing at times to follow, in order to coordinate the iso testing -- especially when there is/are respins [17:19] I'd love to hear suggestions about how to make it easier and get more folks involved [17:19] balloons, i'm here as well [17:20] If your not following @UbuntuTesting on twitter, you can do so. the team is going to try sending status updates thru twitter to help communicate for people who aren't idling all day in #ubuntu-testing [17:20] this way if a respin is needed, etc, it can be communicated more easily [17:20] in addition I'd like to hit up the mailing list a bit more with this information [17:20] hello albrigha ;-) [17:21] I think an email to the list when a respin is done may also be useful. I don't tweet, but I do read my mail :) [17:22] phillw, I'm not a tweeter etheir, but the more communication the better at this point.. I think it's not communicated well atm [17:22] So any other thoughts on getting people involved? what would be helpful to you folks that are doing testing today? [17:23] I found the process over the course of the last 2 iso testing cycles not too bad. the confusion came from understanding how to coordinate more-so than how to run the tests and get the isos.. the wiki explains that part fairly well [17:24] regardless, send to the list any thoughts you may have on that (or anything else you might think about) [17:24] ok, so moving on then [17:25] if there are no more comments :-0 [17:25] [TOPIC] Ubuntu Flavor Updates === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Ubuntu QA Meeting | Current topic: Ubuntu Flavor Updates [17:25] phillw, want to talk a bit about lubuntu first? [17:26] lubuntu testing is going okay. A bug has been found and raised regarding the pae headers appearing in a non-pae installation, ppc testing seems also to be progressing well. [17:27] the pae / non-pae affects all flavours, it appears. [17:27] that's about all for lubuntu. [17:28] awesome.. and I saw you might have a couple more iso testers for this next round :-) hopefully they come thru [17:29] yeah, once we hit beta hopefully we will have more people. [17:30] ok, how about kubuntu.. anyone about? [17:31] xubuntu? [17:31] I'm afraid we're missing some folks, but I'll give them a chance if anyone is in here.. [17:32] edubuntu? [17:32] ubuntu studio? [17:32] kubuntu should have a new flavour appearing shortly [17:32] kubuntu-active for tablets/touch UIs [17:32] hello riddell.. ohh neat [17:33] minimal QA needs ("tech preview") [17:33] but should be added to the ISO tracker [17:33] gotcha.. cool cool.. and what hardware will it install on? [17:33] i386 (not going to bother with ARM until we know it works) [17:34] ok, sounds exciting.. so will it be out before beta1 then? [17:34] and I don't want to even do install for QA, it's just a case of running the live system to check [17:34] balloons: hope so, I've been making the changes to the CD build scripts today [17:35] that's exciting.. I saw the spark tablet sold out on pre-order [17:36] lots of interest, it's a cool project I'll be keeping my eye on certainly [17:36] alrighty, if no other flavors have updates, we'll move on to the final topic [17:36] [TOPIC] Other topics === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Ubuntu QA Meeting | Current topic: Other topics [17:37] Which is just really, the catch all. anything anyone wanted to add to the agenda.. nows' the time to speak up [17:39] BTW, thanks for everyone who tested Kubuntu images [17:39] Particularly 10.04.4 [17:40] We were able to get the release done, which was in doubt. [17:41] thanks ScottK.. if no one has anything else, then I'll close.. And as always, happy testing to everyone [17:41] thanks balloons , sorry I was late and empty handed (i.e. nothing to say) [17:41] I should note I enjoyed getting my feet wet on testing the screenreader install.. I still botched it a bit, but it was fun learning [17:41] thanks to charlie-tca for helping me out on it [17:42] hello gema.. no worries [17:42] we were just ending, hehe [17:42] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [17:42] Meeting ended Wed Feb 22 17:42:13 2012 UTC. [17:42] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-22-17.06.moin.txt [17:42] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-22-17.06.html [18:03] * bdmurray waves [18:05] hello [18:05] hello people ! [18:05] #startmeeting [18:05] Meeting started Wed Feb 22 18:05:23 2012 UTC. The chair is bdmurray. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [18:05] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [18:06] #topic Previous Actions === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Previous Actions [18:06] so we don't have any actions from the last meeting but we should do something about this list of dbus no reply bugs [18:06] that's this - http://paste.ubuntu.com/843325/ [18:07] any ideas? [18:07] bdmurray, yes, considering it's not a huge list we could take some time and find possible valid bugs there and just mark others as incomplete [18:07] maybe the reporter won't mind giving us more information so at least we could tell if those are new bugs or duplicates of existing ones [18:07] worst cases the bug will expire [18:07] but we did what we could [18:08] okay, so put it in a wiki page? and each take a few? [18:08] bdmurray, that works [18:09] #action put list of dbus no reply bugs into a wiki page and email bugsquad regarding list [18:09] ACTION: put list of dbus no reply bugs into a wiki page and email bugsquad regarding list [18:10] #topic Engineering Team Bug Status === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Engineering Team Bug Status [18:10] Ursinha: do you have anything? [18:11] bdmurray, no sir, catching up after carnival [18:12] okay, jsalisbury? [18:13] I don't have much to report bug wise [18:13] However, I made something like lp-grab-attachments that grabs bug descriptions so I could have all the bug descriptions about a package locally available for searching [18:14] I found this useful with update-manager at least and was wondering if anybody else would be interested in it. [18:14] yes sir [18:15] we always need to grab the logs at least [18:15] Ursinha: hmm? lp-grab-attachments grabs the logs [18:16] with update-manager there are lot of bugs with no log files and just an error message in the description [18:16] that's what I wrote grab-descriptions for [18:16] I meant this is useful because we need the logs and it grabs the logs :) [18:16] lp-grab-attachments is already part of lptools [18:17] ok, sorry the confusion, you said you created another one that grabs descriptions instead of logs? === JanC_ is now known as JanC [18:17] yes, just descriptions [18:17] if so, that's useful as well [18:17] okay [18:17] as lp search doesn't work [18:17] Ursinha: right ;-) [18:17] :) [18:18] #topic Bug Escalations (any High or Critical bugs that community members have seen that need attention) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Bug Escalations (any High or Critical bugs that community members have seen that need attention) [18:20] anyone? [18:20] no sir [18:20] the new change made the touchpad problematic for me guess that's important [18:21] om26er: is there a bug about that? [18:21] if you double tap with the touchpad it gets stuck that breaks my work flow [18:22] I'd imagine so [18:22] bug 934770 [18:22] Launchpad bug 934770 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) "Trackpad behavior change causes tap-and-drag to lock" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/934770 [18:24] (my internet is crappy with a lag of liek 20sec) [18:24] om26er: it looks like chase is aware of it and monitoring it [18:24] om26er: so it seems to be a good state [18:25] thanks for bringing that up though [18:26] bdmurray: another bug which is again affecting the people and also me is this i am not be able to install google chrome [18:26] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/827615 [18:26] Launchpad bug 827615 in software-center (Ubuntu) "software-center crashed with TypeError in show_available_packages(): this constructor takes no arguments" [Medium,Confirmed] [18:26] s9iper1: looking [18:28] s9iper1: okay, I'll into this more after the meeting that needs some attention. Thanks for bringing this up! [18:28] bdmurray, I can do that as it's a desktop issue... [18:29] Ursinha: okay, let me know if you need any help [18:29] sure, thanks [18:29] bdmurray:yw and an announcement for us people empathy 3.3.90 will use telepathy-haze to connect to MSN, which means it uses libpurple, the same as pidgin does [18:29] #action Ursinha to investigate bug 827615 [18:29] ACTION: Ursinha to investigate bug 827615 [18:29] Launchpad bug 827615 in software-center (Ubuntu) "software-center crashed with TypeError in show_available_packages(): this constructor takes no arguments" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/827615 [18:30] with that well move to [18:30] #topic any other business? === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: any other business? [18:30] o/ [18:31] Ampelbein: yes? [18:31] I don't know if that's the right meeting, but can something be done about LP auto-confirming developer bugs? [18:31] I mean like, can it exclude bugs tagged e.g. ftbfs, or based on title? [18:32] How did a bug get auto confirmed? [18:33] When someone clicks the "This affects me too" link, the bug is set to confirmed by LP. [18:33] and why should it not be confirmed? === bil21al is now known as s9iper1 [18:35] Because for example for sponsoring related bugs, the bug status was used to communicate the state with the sponsors. So, "new" -> free to take, "confirmed" -> ready for sponsoring, "In Progress" -> sponsor is looking, "Incomplete" -> needs work. [18:36] Ampelbein, shouldn't it be "Triaged" ready for sponsoring, instead of "Confirmed"? [18:36] that would solve the issue [18:36] Ursinha: Yes, when the sponsoree is actually able to set that. [18:36] besides, the bug is ready to be worked on when it has enough information to be fixed, that should be Triaged [18:36] ah, I see the point [18:37] I thought the sponsoring process used team subscription to indicate it was ready for sponsorship [18:37] Anyway, I'd bring this up with a Launchpad stakeholder [18:38] I believe bryce is the community one [18:38] he is [18:39] bdmurray: See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Sponsorship/SponsorsQueue [18:39] (Section "Notes for contributors" [18:40] fwiw, i, as a sponsor, don't really pay a lot of attention to bug status when i'm looking at a bug [18:40] i use whether or not ~ubuntu-sponsors is subscribed as an indicator [18:40] and i unsubscribe ubuntu-sponsors when i determine something isn't ready [18:41] Me mostly too, but when looking through e.g. the ftbfs bug list, I ignore anything with Status "Confirmed" as that usually indicates someone already worked on the issue. [18:42] And an auto-confirmed bug could potentially fall through the cracks. I agree it's not a very very important problem, and I'll bring it up on the list. [18:42] Ampelbein: you can't trust Confirmed, LP does that automatically these days [18:42] Ampelbein, how hard would it be to ask people to add a tag instead? [18:42] tumbleweed: ... yes, that's the whole discussion we have ;-) [18:43] ah, I see [18:43] I'm using Triaged instead of Confirmed for process bugs [18:45] any other topics? [18:46] okay thanks everyone [18:46] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [18:46] Meeting ended Wed Feb 22 18:46:32 2012 UTC. [18:46] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-22-18.05.moin.txt [18:46] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-22-18.05.html [18:46] thanks bdmurray === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-lunch === charles_ is now known as charles [20:05] #startmeeting Lubuntu Team Meeting [20:05] Meeting started Wed Feb 22 20:05:13 2012 UTC. The chair is gilir. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 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When lubuntu iso's are re-spun, I'll forward them to the main lubuntu mailing list in order to keep the chat down :) [20:09] respins hm? [20:09] when a fault in the iso requires it to be re-issued. [20:10] oh like them being too big ;) [20:10] such as a major bug. [20:11] wxl: the milestone releases are always on-size, it is just the dailys that suffer. Now we aer post-freeze, this also should mean the dailies are CD sized. [20:11] s/aer/are [20:11]