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[12:11] <Riddell> cjwatson: how's this? https://code.launchpad.net/~jr/livecd-rootfs/kubuntu-active/+merge/94135
[12:21] <Riddell> cjwatson: also https://code.launchpad.net/~jr/ubuntu-cdimage/kubuntu-active/+merge/94138
[12:47] <cjwatson> Riddell: can you get somebody who isn't on leave to review it? :)
[12:47] <Riddell> oh, sorry
[12:49] <cjwatson> if you're changing tasks you might need to do a tasksel update too, there's lillypilly:~ubuntu-archive/bin/update-{seeds,*germinate}, maybe a few other places
[12:49] <cjwatson> new seed collections that generate tasks require landing a Launchpad change
[12:49] <cjwatson> ./cronscripts/publishing/cron.germinate:18:FLAVOURS="ubuntu kubuntu kubuntu-mobile edubuntu xubuntu mythbuntu lubuntu"
[12:49]  * cjwatson disappears again, need to head off to hospital soon
[12:52] <Riddell> gotcha, thanks
[12:52] <Riddell> ScottK: do my merges above look like what you remember doing in the past?
[13:35] <ScottK> Riddell: They look right to me.
[13:36] <Riddell> good enough I suppose :)
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[15:02] <Riddell> pitti: is antimony still the machine to log into for cd builds?
[15:03] <pitti> Riddell: no, that's "nusakan" now
[15:03] <pitti> Host cdimage
[15:03] <pitti>     HostName nusakan.canonical.com
[15:03]  * pitti uses ^ in his .ssh/config
[15:03] <pitti> I can never remember our funny host names
[15:04] <pitti> I have "archive", "people", "cdimage", etc.
[15:06] <infinity> pitti: You're missing out on the joy of typing lillypilly, then!
[15:07] <infinity> (Terrible one-handed mess, if you're a "true" touch-typist)
[15:07] <pitti> my keyboard forces me to be :)
[15:07] <pitti> infinity: but indeed, that's even worse than "database", which as a psql maintainer I tend to type quite often :)
[15:08] <pitti> another reason to put Mr. Qwerty and Mr. Caps Lock into a sack and hit them really hard
[15:08] <infinity> Heh.
[15:08] <pitti> but I never got fluent enough with Dvorak to actually use it
[15:09] <Riddell> thanks pitti
[15:09] <infinity> Yeah, I've been typing qwerty for so long that I don't much care if there are better options.
[15:12] <stgraber> pitti: not using qwertz? :) (not that it'd make much difference in that case though)
[15:12] <Riddell> pitti, infinity: who remembers the right way to update cdimage scripts on nusakan ?
[15:12] <pitti> Riddell: I'm afraid I never did that
[15:12] <Riddell> there's a bzr branch in /srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/ another in /srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/bzr/private/cdimage and the public one at lp:cdimage-ubuntu
[15:13] <infinity> Riddell: Commit to private, pull from cdimage.
[15:13] <pitti> stgraber: no; German layout is a nuisance
[15:13] <Riddell> infinity: so commit to /srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/bzr/private/cdimage and pull from there to /srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/ ?
[15:13] <pitti> stgraber: in fact, when using C, vim, or LaTeX, anything but "us" is a nuisance
[15:13] <infinity> Riddell: I check out a copy of /srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/bzr/private/cdimage in my ~, hack on it, commit, and then as cdimage, cd to /srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/ and bzr pull.
[15:14] <Riddell> infinity: ok and how does lp:ubuntu-cdimage get updated?
[15:14] <infinity> Riddell: Don't worry overly about the public branch, Colin merges bi-directionally occasionally.
[15:14] <stgraber> pitti: yeah, I also found qwerty to work a lot better when coding than qwertz, having to use altgr half the time was a bit annoying. Though having $ directly mapped to a key was kind of nice ;)
[15:14] <Riddell> infinity: ok, wish me luck
[15:15] <infinity> Riddell: There's a hope that, at some point, the pirvate branch might go away, and the public one will become authoritative, but we still need to put some work into making that a sane reality.
[15:16] <infinity> Riddell: If you need anything reviewed before you do the commit/pull dance, let me know.
[15:17] <Riddell> infinity: https://code.launchpad.net/~jr/ubuntu-cdimage/kubuntu-active/+merge/94138
[15:18] <infinity> Riddell: What's the "active" stand for? :P
[15:18] <Riddell> infinity: upstream KDE's brand for "tablet and touch UI stuff"
[15:18] <infinity> Ahh.
[15:19] <infinity> Riddell: Looks good, assuming you got every instance of 'mobile' in the source.
[15:19] <Riddell> grep says I did :)
[15:20] <infinity> ;)
[16:46] <Riddell> infinity: how does nusakan:/srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com look to you?
[16:47] <Riddell> infinity: for livecd-rootfs I just update the branch and upload as a package to ubuntu?
[16:48] <infinity> Riddell: Yep.
[16:48] <infinity> Riddell: None of these images were ever supported, right?
[16:48] <infinity> Riddell: (ie: we'll never need to respin them for a previous release?)
[16:48] <Riddell> no, kubuntu-mobile never was and is dead
[16:48] <Riddell> kubuntu-netbook likewise
[16:48] <Riddell> and kubuntu-kde4 has been dead of even longer
[16:50]  * skaet notes we need to make sure to change this in the iso tracker.
[16:51] <infinity> No need to have ARCHES="i386" in crontab if etc/default-arches is correct.
[16:51] <Riddell> infinity: ok, fixing
[16:52] <infinity> Riddell: You could probably also ditch the "mobile" and "preinstalled-mobile" cruft from make0web-indices, since you've killed those types.
[16:53] <infinity> But meh, that list needs more cruft-checking anyway.
[16:53] <infinity> We really need to kill moblin and netbook and mid... And...
[16:53] <infinity> So, perhaps another day. :P
[16:54] <Riddell> yeah I think it's cruft left over from an ubuntu-mobile not a kubuntu-mobile :)
[16:54] <infinity> Potentially.
[16:54] <infinity> I'll go through that all with a fine-toothed comb another time.
[16:55] <infinity> Now that ARM images have settled on sane names.
[17:02] <infinity> Riddell: Oh, you'll also want to hand-apply your etc/crontab changes to the actual crontab.
[17:02] <infinity> Riddell: (perhaps commented out, for now, while you're working on livecd-rootfs changes, etc)
[17:14] <Riddell> infinity: livecd-rootfs is uploaded this morning to ubuntu, will the server magically pick those up?
[17:17] <infinity> Riddell: The live builders apt-get upgrade chroots before every build.
[17:18] <Riddell> infinity: err could you edit the crontab or tell me how to convince crontab -e  to use emacs and not vi? :)
[17:18] <infinity> Riddell: VISUAL=emacs crontab -e
[17:18] <infinity> (assuming emacs is installed, you might try nano)
[17:18] <infinity> Oh, hey, emacs is installed.
[17:18] <infinity> Wow.
[17:19] <Riddell> yeah because I asked for it once upon a time :)
[17:19] <infinity> Heh.
[17:19] <Riddell> ok updated.  never heard of using VISUAL I was assuming it was EDITOR like every other command
[17:20] <Riddell> infinity: anything else you can think of that needs changed for new images to appear?
[17:20] <infinity> Off the top of my head, no, but something will probably explode. ;)
[17:21] <infinity> (There are launchpad changes needed too, if you were introducting a new task)
[17:23] <Riddell> infinity: hmm so I should go to wgrant or bigjooles about that I guess
[17:24] <infinity> You could have just reused the mobile tasks. ;)
[17:24] <infinity> But yeah, if you're renaming a task, that needs manual mangling in LP.
[17:25] <infinity> 05:49 < cjwatson> if you're changing tasks you might need to do a tasksel update too, there's lillypilly:~ubuntu-archive/bin/update-{seeds,*germinate}, maybe a few other places
[17:25] <infinity> 05:49 < cjwatson> new seed collections that generate tasks require landing a Launchpad change
[17:25] <infinity> 05:49 < cjwatson> ./cronscripts/publishing/cron.germinate:18:FLAVOURS="ubuntu kubuntu kubuntu-mobile edubuntu xubuntu mythbuntu lubuntu"
[17:26] <Riddell> oh yes
[17:26] <infinity> Riddell: Sorting out the relevant cron.germinate change should be trivial, you just need someone in the committers group to review and land it for you.
[17:26] <infinity> Riddell: And then get it cherrypicked or queued up for the next LP NDT.
[17:27] <infinity> Riddell: I recommend canonical/#launchpad-ops to try to get that sorted.
[17:32] <Riddell> thanks
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[20:41] <skaet> hmm...   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StandingFeatureFreeze is looking rather stale in terms of usage.
[20:43] <Laney> indeed
[20:46] <highvoltage> isn't that a good thing? :)
[20:46] <stgraber> looks like it'd need some updating
[20:47] <stgraber> "have been approved for Hardy:"
[20:47] <stgraber> then listing a Jaunty FFe ;)
[20:47] <Laney> kill it
[20:47] <Laney> have we used standing FFes recently?
[20:49] <stgraber> seems like a lot of that became useless with bugfix only new releases being allowed, instead people tend to develop in PPA and ask for a single FFe when actually landing a feature which seems better
[20:51] <ScottK> Agreed.
[21:01] <skaet> ok,  will go clean up the page that points to it,  and update this page to indicate stale.
[21:01] <Laney> can you delete it?
[21:02] <Laney> i assume the wiki lets you resurrect deleted pages
[21:04] <skaet> Laney,  I'll just update it to reflect there are no standing Freeze Exceptions,  and process has changed.   Will look into deleting later
[21:04] <skaet> (after I know I check what the history story is)
[21:09] <skaet> done
[21:34] <stgraber> skaet: can you do some priority bumping of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nux/+bug/926859?
[21:34] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 926859 in nux "llvmpipe software rendering needs blacklisting in unity-support-test" [High,Triaged]
[21:34] <stgraber> skaet: this is making working with live images a major pain for me as I can't switch to unity-2d and am stuck with the VM using 50% of my CPU to do 3D stuff in software
[21:34] <stgraber> not to mention 80% of the time I don't even see ubiquity because of it ...
[21:37] <skaet> stgraber,  will ask at any rate...
[21:38] <stgraber> I'm surprised we haven't heard more about it as it's making ISO testing in kvm pretty much impossible
[21:38] <stgraber> Virtualbox/Vmware might work as they actually have 3D drivers
[21:40] <broder> i couldn't get the vmware 3d driver to work, fwiw - i ended up with llvmpipe
[21:41] <stgraber> llvmpipe is very nice to have, but I don't think we're going to have a working compiz on llvmpipe for 12.04 and even if we did, I don't think we want that to be the default
[21:56] <wgrant> infinity, Riddell: cocoplum deployments aren't in NDT, since they still require downtime, but it's pretty trivial, yeah.
[22:48]  * ScottK wonders if the uTouch team has any idea of feature freeze?
[22:48] <ScottK> (beyond, oh, I have to do more paperwork now)
[23:11] <GrueMaster> Feature Freeze?  What's that?  :P
[23:12] <ScottK> Yeah.  Not funny.
[23:12] <ScottK> I think I'll just approve everything.  That way it's fair.
[23:25] <stgraber> reverting the upload until they have the paperwork done would be fair though it takes quite a bit of effort to do, it's not like we have a "revert" button on LP
[23:27] <ScottK> I've done reverts before, but not in awhile.
[23:49] <slangasek> stgraber: the iso tracker seems to link to the rootfs tarballs for the wubi test cases; that doesn't make a lot of sense to me, since users will need to download the .exe and the .exe downloads the tarball? http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/206/builds/11165/downloads
[23:51] <stgraber> indeed, I guess it still makes sense to use the rootfs version for the builds though, just point to wherever the matching wubi is (people.ubuntu.com?)
[23:51] <slangasek> yeah, I think so
[23:53] <slangasek> should be http://people.canonical.com/~evand/wubi/precise/stable ?
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[23:56] <stgraber> slangasek: fixed
[23:56] <slangasek> cheers :)
[23:56] <stgraber> slangasek: I pointed to the directory instead of a specific file, having "stable" as filename looks weird. we probably should have a wubi-latest.exe as symlink to whatever is latest (probably identical to stable)
[23:57] <slangasek> fair enough