[00:01] so i htink i figured out how the atrix actually works [00:01] it's not chroot or anything like that [00:01] i believe it's a full hypervisor with a virtualized usb connection between the two devices [00:02] and then all the integration is done the same way as if you had a separate phone and computer connected by usb [00:02] note that you can access the desktop of an android phone with debug bridge over usb or wireless [00:02] and also query number of messages etc [00:03] so the question then is, will i be able to get this fancy integration when i plug a real android phone into an ubuntu computer? [00:06] Oh, I'd assumed containers or something [00:07] I say 'or something', but I mean exactly containers [00:07] vmware were running demos of android and ubuntu on pandaboard at one point [00:07] or some arm board [00:08] ali1234: Oh I see, I'd assumed it wasn't virtualised [00:09] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsyh5_4Dz2c [00:10] ali1234: No, I mean I'd assumed the ubuntu thing wasn't [00:10] hypervisor doesn't care what you run :) [00:11] ah here's the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNo6pn-dnSQ [00:12] windows CE and android running on N800 [00:13] ah yeah, I remember that [00:17] ah supposedly it uses this http://www.ok-labs.com/ [00:20] http://wiki.ok-labs.com/ hey i recognise that guy on the frnt page [00:21] oh my bad, different guy [00:55] I feel deprived. I didn't get to eat any pancakes today. [00:55] Hello webpigeon [01:30] I really love my advertising company lol [01:30] "We <3 patches" *Submit bugfix* "Thanks for the help, have a CS:GO beta key" [01:32] your advertising company? [01:32] also what's CS:GO? [01:32] ali1234: the company that pays me to show their adverts, CS:GO is an upcoming valve title I plan on hosting for [01:34] yeah, but what is it? [01:34] ali1234: http://pinion.gg [01:35] no, CS:GO? [01:35] i assume it's a FPS? [01:35] yea [01:35] counter strike: global offensive [01:36] I would play it, but steams down as usual :D [01:37] heh [01:37] you should branch out into games that aren't FPS games [01:38] like minecraft, we've got a nice minecraft server about to go public :P [01:38] i thought it was already public [01:38] it was, everything broke with 1.8 and Bukkit was so slow releasing the 1.0 update that it just died [01:38] i was thinking more like yahoo games type stuff [01:38] you can stuff way more advertising into web games [01:39] so now we've redone the whole thing and are planning to get it back out again, but it's /hugely/ improved :p [01:39] ali1234: yea, but those games are boring :( [01:39] you don't have to play them [01:41] ali1234: perhaps, but I'm mostly valueadded atm [01:43] what does that mean? [01:44] ali1234: I take the games, add cool things to them, decent support and quality hosting, tada. [01:45] our unmodified TF2 server receives the least traffic by far, compared to our modified one [01:46] "homework help" forum. lol [01:53] ali1234: agree'd on the terrible forum layout >.> [01:54] and the terrible website in general [01:54] It's all being replaced [02:26] * penguin42 wonders if this is the whole reason for the package name Unpacking replacement cheese ... [07:17] aloha [07:38] !python-psycopg2 [07:39] !info python-psycopg2 [07:39] python-psycopg2 (source: psycopg2): Python module for PostgreSQL. In component main, is optional. Version 2.4.2-1 (oneiric), package size 610 kB, installed size 2176 kB [07:39] !info python-psycopg2 lucid [07:40] python-psycopg2 (source: psycopg2): Python module for PostgreSQL. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.13-2ubuntu2 (lucid), package size 132 kB, installed size 396 kB [07:40] !info python-psycopg2 +1 [07:40] '+1' is not a valid distribution: hardy, hardy-backports, hardy-proposed, kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, lucid, lucid-backports, lucid-proposed, maverick, maverick-backports, maverick-proposed, medibuntu, natty, natty-backports, natty-proposed, oneiric, oneiric-backports, oneiric-proposed, partner, precise, precise-backports, precise-proposed, stable, testing, unstable [07:40] !info python-psycopg2 precise [07:40] python-psycopg2 (source: psycopg2): Python module for PostgreSQL. In component main, is optional. Version 2.4.4-3 (precise), package size 144 kB, installed size 598 kB (Only available for any all) [07:41] TheOpenSourcerer: having fun there? [07:41] :-D [07:45] morning [07:52] Morning all [07:52] mmmöh. [07:58] Good Morning my fine feathered friends... How are we all today then? [08:00] fandiddlytastic [08:08] [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu for Android: The Response - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/02/22/ubuntu-for-android-the-response/ [08:17] Morning all [08:25] Morning [08:34] good morning! [08:35] I'm feeling a bit sad now for not getting a puzzle piece cookie cutter printed on Saturday [08:35] could have made puzzle donuts today [08:37] Anyone fancy helping me think about doing redirects (apache or nginx - not really product specific) for a few minutes? [08:37] that ubuntu on the phone w/ docking station is very nice [08:37] * mattt wants [08:54] TheOpenSourcerer: think about doing redirects, or actually do redirects? :) [08:54] but, yeah, I can offer Apache flavoured suggestions [08:54] Cool - Thanks BigRedS. Hang on. [08:56] good morning everyone, [08:57] no worries. [08:57] good morning! [08:58] Good morning peeps of irc :) [08:58] good morning BigRedS and bigcalm [08:59] Hi brobostigon === joar_ is now known as CosmicB [09:08] * dwatkins finds it amusing that when he went to google for a fourier transform application he discovered that it's Heinrich Rudolf Hertz's birthday [09:09] That is a fun animation [09:21] indeed it is [09:38] * gord has the pancake regrets [09:41] gord: that'll learn you [09:41] seeing as i get the pancake regrets every year, i don't think it will [09:41] regretting you didn't eat enough pancakes? [09:41] Has anybody told the Canonical design team that they now endorse goatse? [09:42] My regret is that we didn't have any :( [09:42] * AlanBell regrets that not enough batter was made [09:42] bigcalm: yes, I believe it has been noted [09:42] bigcalm: goatse, where? [09:42] they displayed that logo on a giant banner at last uds [09:42] I know it's been noted by the community, but still... [09:43] gord: and thus were commited? [09:43] bigcalm: aye jon said the exact same thing last night when he saw the image [09:43] http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android ready to talk [09:44] I don't really get what the image is supposed to represent [09:45] "get in touch" perhaps. If you are E.T. [09:47] heh, i don't even recognize that image [09:47] * mattt needs more 4chan [09:47] http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/q08zm/the_internet_has_ruined_me_seen_on_ubuntu_site/ [09:48] Good morning all! [09:49] JamesTait: herrrro how were the lemons [09:49] czajkowski: Lemony. :) [09:51] czajkowski: I was quite chuffed with the experiment actually. The LED was actually lit, although it doesn't show up well on the photo. [09:51] JamesTait: oh didnt realise that [09:53] czajkowski: Connagh asked me the other day how batteries are made, so when we needed to get a lemon for the pancakes I said "Get a bag full, I've got a plan." [09:55] JamesTait: how do you say Connagh ? [09:55] czajkowski: Same way as Connor. ;) [09:55] czajkowski: Or Conor. [09:56] so what kind of spelling or variation is that ? [09:56] czajkowski: We thought the world needed another way to spell it. :-P [09:56] right [09:56] :) [09:57] czajkowski: It's an embarrassing mistake. :) [09:57] there are reasons my sister and I do not have Irish names :) besides the obvious of them not really going with the surname [09:57] JamesTait: too late to change, or is he always going to get asked why it is spelt that way [09:57] czajkowski: I saw Connah's Quay pass by on the football scores, and I could have sworn it had a 'g' in it. [09:57] lol [09:58] my kids have Irish middle names [09:59] czajkowski: We could change it, but why bother? He's always spelled it that way and people don't usually bat an eyelid when we correct their misspelling. :-P [09:59] JamesTait: they're not misspelling it :) [09:59] Aoife, Catriona, Cormac [09:59] but he will be unique :) [09:59] Gosh. [09:59] czajkowski: Yeah, OK, I'll give you that. ;) [09:59] * TheOpenSourcerer just found out what goatse is :-( [10:00] TheOpenSourcerer: NSFW. :-P [10:00] now un-see it [10:00] Indeed. [10:00] * JamesTait is bored of waiting for the insurance company. [10:01] JamesTait: reminds me of first time i saw siobahn :-/ [10:01] AlanBell: That is impossible. a bit like TGOC [10:02] mattt: Well at least Connagh kind of looks like how it often gets pronounced: Conn-AAAAAAGGGGGHHHHH! [10:02] mattt: aye Siobhan pretty name [10:05] czajkowski: nearly had a facepalm moment w/ that one tho [10:06] we used to find it odd listening to correnation st the way they said deidre [10:06] gah so help me am gonna start to get royally peeved off now when I alt tab on irc all my window goes white or transparent [10:06] so flipping annoying [10:07] * gord puts off doing that review for another day ;) [10:07] * czajkowski kicks gord [10:07] no more bickies or tea ever for you [10:08] I walk in to find violence against gord? D: [10:08] What's he done to deserve such treatment? [10:12] he let some code escape the safety of his laptop [10:30] Seems a bit harsh AlanBell, unless said code was a nuclear launch code. [10:31] In which case I would find the question of why he possesses them considerably more interesting! [10:31] he is in your alt key breaking your screenshots [10:33] Not mah screenshots! [10:33] Oh teh noes! [10:40] Has anybody seen my motivation this morning? [10:42] bigcalm: hows the lighthouse? [10:42] czajkowski: that's tomorrow [10:42] ahh [10:42] Hopefully warmer than last week [10:42] Tonight will be my 1st attendance of Wolves LUG though [10:43] So I get an extra dose of mrevell and davmor2 [10:43] mrevell: are you attending tonight and do you want a lift? [10:47] I shall use the A41/A5 and save myself a LOT of stress :) [10:47] bigcalm, Hello! I'm unlikely to attend tonight. I have a work call at 20.00. Thanks for the lift offer; I'd have to drive myself if I were coming as I can't say when I'd be ready. [10:48] mrevell: ok [10:50] bigcalm: lighthouse? [10:51] hmm, ssh-copy-id has stopped working for me, it says it worked and that I should try sshing the machine, but when I do so it prompts me for the password again \o/ [10:51] Really must get round to trying ssh-copy at some point [10:51] * diplo is still manual atm [10:52] I think it only works on the standard port [10:52] but it normally works well for me [10:52] yea it normally works well for me it just seems to have gone sideways [10:52] mattt: The Lighthouse media centre in Wolverhampton. Home workers such as mrevell, davmor2, myself and occasional others turn up every 2 weeks on a Thursday to do work. [11:02] morning all [11:02] that [11:02] Ah, davmor2, just the person. Good morning [11:02] * davmor2 runs away [11:02] Bwuhaha [11:02] bigcalm: what, what? [11:03] davmor2: tonight's LUG meeting. The pub serves food I believe. Do LUG attendees actually eat there or would I be the only one? [11:03] no most people eat there [11:03] Ah, cool [11:04] Means that I can have me a pint as well (not drinking on an empty tum) [11:05] OI czajkowski PROD! morning [11:05] MooDoo: me owld mukka [11:06] davmor2: herrrro greetings from millbank [11:06] czajkowski: oh get you working from across the river [11:06] aye go me [11:16] Hello. === chrisccoulson_ is now known as chrisccoulson [11:25] * bigcalm considers parking at Fold St car park: a) it's free after 6pm, b) the walk across town will do me good [11:25] c) I know how to get to it ;) [11:25] Is it safe to pastebin the output from ssh -vv? [11:25] or does it contain lots of bad things [11:26] Azelphur: you might want to mask public IP addresses [11:26] *shrug* local connection \o/ [11:26] Passwords shouldn't be shown [11:27] So here's the ssh -vv if anyone has any idea about my ssh-copy-id issue http://pastebin.com/aehQ5s4S [11:27] I get automatic login, but only if I already have an ssh session open with the remote host, besides that it doesn't connect [11:32] ebug1: Trying private key: /home/azelphur/.ssh/id_dsa [11:32] debug1: Trying private key: /home/azelphur/.ssh/id_ecdsa [11:32] debug2: we did not send a packet, disable method [11:32] so why's it not sending it? :( [11:32] Only issues I've had before are permissions on .ssh dir on remote host [11:33] It's kinda strict about that [11:33] http://paste.ubuntu.com/852527/ [11:33] pretty sure it's fine :( [11:33] the dir itself [11:34] drwx------ 2 bitcoin bitcoin 4096 2011-06-02 01:30 .ssh [11:35] http://www.noah.org/wiki/SSH_public_keys [11:35] Looks fine tbh [11:35] \o/ [11:35] my keys are working fine for other servers [11:35] it's just this one specific box [11:36] yeah it's the .ssh dir on remote sites that I always have issues with, our staff seem to screw with the companies users profile everytime :( [11:36] \o/ [11:36] Only other issue I have is that the rsa srting isn't one string [11:37] So hasn't been copied correctly [11:37] if I remove .ssh/authorized_keys on the remote is that likely to fix it? [11:37] I'm the only person accessing it anyway [11:37] yeah it will just stop auto login which doesn't work anyway [11:37] :) [11:38] yep, that fixed it \o/ [11:38] ty :) [11:38] do you have multiple key pairs? [11:38] wat [11:38] it's a fairly simple question :/ [11:39] haha, but I don't know hardly anything about ssh \o/ [11:40] when you run ssh-copy-id it uploads your public key to the remote host [11:40] ali1234: nah I only have the one [11:41] if you have multiple keys it sometimes causes problems if ssh picks the wrong one [11:42] like if you have two keys and only one has been put on the server [11:42] ali1234: I have reloaded a couple times and had my keys change, looks like the server had a bunch of old keys in it, could be the case [11:43] that could do it, maybe if you had the same name for the key [11:43] :'( it's prompting for password again [11:43] and I only have one entry in the remote .ssh/authorized_keys [11:44] you're putting the contents of id_rsa.pub, not id_rsa? [11:44] it's not line wrapped? [11:44] I'm not touching any files [11:44] I'm just doing ssh-copy-id user@remote, it's saying it all went well, but I'm still getting a password prompt [11:45] is the target user home directory /home// ? [11:45] and not some other random path? [11:46] Also not rsa2 [11:46] ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the remote should be exactly the same file as ~/.ssh/id_.pub on the local [11:46] popey: yes [11:47] howdy :) [11:47] ali1234: it is :) [11:47] hmm actually there might be an extra trailing newline on one of them [11:47] guys, is there a build of andrubuntu that I can put on my S2 using odin ? [11:47] but other than that [11:47] andyloughran: NO [11:47] ali :p [11:47] I guess I'm not the first to ask [11:47] only saw jono's post this morning [11:48] actually, you are [11:48] heh [11:48] the first _here_ [11:48] Azelphur: how many id_*.pub files do you have in ~/.ssh/ on local machine? [11:48] wahey! [11:49] ali1234: 1 [11:49] Azelphur: hmm :/ [11:49] andyloughran: odin is the samsung flashing tool right? [11:49] what about hacking the firmware on my Samsung LCD to add ubuntu TV [11:49] ali1234: yeah [11:49] :p [11:50] well, the thing is..... the whole thing relies on the phone already having a hypervisor [11:51] and the necessary drivers of course [11:51] which is just that obscure motorola thing [11:51] well might not be obscure, just I never heard of it before yesterday [11:51] the hypervisor is't motorola actually, it's made by open labs [11:52] hmm, I have the Samsung TV that was used for the demo [11:52] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA0MDc [11:52] see okl4.org [11:52] i don't know anything about the TV demo [11:54] what is the difference between a TV and an HDMI monitor? [11:54] AlanBell: a TV has a tuner? [11:54] and a remote contorl [11:54] *control [11:54] so I didn't get that part of the demo with the phone [11:54] and if it's a decent TV, a lot of deinterlacing and motion compensation hardware [11:54] Generally more processing in a TV [11:54] it was easier to just show you with one screen [11:55] they unplugged it from what looked like a TV, then plugged it into what looked like a TV [11:55] and announced now, this is a TV [11:55] what don't you get? [11:55] the phone demo [11:55] what don't you get? [11:55] * Myrtti facepalms at Finnish media publishing a story based on Canonical press release on "how Android phones will soon have Linux" [11:56] haha [11:56] wrong on so many levels [11:56] it's not even the only mistake [11:56] Awww [11:56] but hey [11:56] I don't get how you get a different experience from a monitor to a TV, which was implied in the demo [11:56] the announcement was pretty misleading to start with [11:56] "version of Ubunta" [11:56] ok, here's a scenario [11:57] They were running Ubuntu TV on the phone as well as Ubuntu Desktop... I think there may be some smoke and mirrors there concerning how it knows what's a TV and whats a monitor - it must be preconfigured depending on the device identifier [11:57] on the way to work, phone in pocket, catching up with email, using phone as a phone [11:57] "smart phone docked to the desktop computer works beside the phone" WHUT [11:57] get to work, plug into dock, phone says "A dock! I will switch to 'Desktop mode'" [11:57] pull phone out of dock, phone says "No dock, time to be a phone again" [11:57] popey: we understand the idea [11:57] the point is, the video didn't make it very clear [11:58] so dock=desktop, cable=tv? [11:58] ok, I'll stop [11:58] AlanBell: the dock can say "i'm a TV" or "i'm a desktop workstation" [11:58] AlanBell, You could probably infer that you wanted to be a desktop or TV from the lack of keyboard [11:58] because it's just a USB device [11:58] or the existence of a remote contorl [11:58] Or from the device identifier of the screen [11:58] *control [11:58] Or whatever [11:58] exactly [11:59] ok, I see now [11:59] which is what I was getting to [11:59] hey ho [11:59] I like it [11:59] andyloughran: why didn't you buy it a year ago when it was released then? [11:59] I like it. I like that I've not seen them trying the same thing with Windows [11:59] I like the android app for turning my S2 into a remote control for my Samsung TV [11:59] ali1234: why didn't i buy what? [11:59] ali1234: because nobody marketed it at me a year ago when I was buying phones [12:00] you can't tell me you never heard about it [12:00] I never heard about it [12:00] until yesterday [12:00] * bigcalm hugs popey [12:00] it won the "best most amazing phone ever" award at MWC [12:00] and it was all over engadget and etc [12:01] I don't have such a sophisticated setup - I once setup my phone (sony ericsson w100 I think) to have ubuntu run in live mode on it's SD card, so when I plugged the phone in via usb it booted up into ubuntu [12:01] ali1234: I've not heard of it [12:02] and lack of funds :p [12:02] I reckon this sort of thing is probably good for management types [12:02] yeah [12:03] Esp. the ones who travel a lot [12:03] corporates is exactly who its good for [12:03] i know a few people this would be perfect for [12:03] Early lunch \o/ [12:03] except for the fact they need to run windows [12:03] Depends how deep the need to run Windows is [12:04] I do agree that some people have that need [12:04] they need to run office and have it actually work properly [12:05] and you can try to claim it runs in wine but that a) won't work on arm and b) is incredibly buggy [12:05] I'm willing to bet that LibreOffice probably isn't up to it yet either [12:05] lol [12:05] ok so they work on charts and reports a lot [12:06] these are reports for clients [12:06] so they need to know that the client can open it and what it will look like when they do open it [12:07] also they heavily use outlook as their "cloud" [12:08] rather than a dropbox or something, everything goes on the outlook folders [12:09] how is ubuntu one for corporate use btw? [12:10] My assessment would be "poor" [12:10] is there anything like the google thing for corps? [12:10] can't remember if it's apps or domains or apps for domains [12:10] The last I look it still had bad proxy support [12:10] what i mean is, is there a way you can set up some kind of "group" on it? [12:11] and have a folder shared by default company wide [12:11] and automatically have your contacts sync company wide [12:12] so when you hire a new guy and add them to the group, they appear on everyone's contacts [12:12] ali1234, I'm not sure it supports that at all ... I can't get past the bad proxy support in the client from an "enterprise" POV [12:12] why do enterprises love proxies so much? [12:13] what do they think it is going to do? [12:13] I know, that's a separate issue [12:13] Especially MS ISA [12:13] I *hate* MS ISA [12:13] goes without saying. [12:14] i don't know anyone who uses that stuff [12:14] "Hey, configure your proxy to require *Windows Auth* to work - that'll be really cool" [12:14] I hate doing Windows Auth over HTTP as well [12:14] It's a right pain in the butt, especially for sites running on Apache / Linux [12:15] We have not arrived at a satisfactory solution yet, despite trying for the last 7 years or something stupid [12:15] sounds very enterprisey [12:15] i don't even know why they call it that [12:16] And our last unsolicited pen test report from ICT made a load of recommendations that would break things like RDP for not only Linux clients but our Windows XP ones too [12:17] Our ISA servers are configured such that they break Subversion because they only permit GET and POST and not WebDAV methods [12:19] Now, we COULD do naughty things like ... oooo.. tunnelling all our traffic through our router at home via SOCKS / SSH. But that would be NAUGHTY. [12:19] the kind of people i'm thinking of... basically don't have any servers at all [12:19] everyne at the company has a laptop and a phone that they take everywhere [12:20] they have hosted exchange accounts [12:20] and that's it [12:20] they don't even have desktop PCs in their office. just keyboards and monitors they plug the laptops in to [12:21] I think that's an increasingly common setup [12:21] indeed [12:21] I've worked that way for the last 15 years [12:21] Although I do like my Big Fat Desktop at home [12:21] god fucking damnit [12:22] Ahem, family channel [12:22] (network, even) [12:22] justified, tbh. [12:23] bigcalm: early lunch == long afternoon working [12:29] davmor2: depends upon when I return to work ;) [12:30] this is the weirdest bit of marketing for a video game ever... http://petition.masseffect.com/ [12:33] Hmm. If I were the admin at DirectGov I would take a VERY dim view of that [12:33] * bigcalm heads off to shop [12:34] Unless it's a shameless attempt to knock "Drop the NHS Bill" off the top spot on the ePetitions list [12:34] i don't really see anything wrong with it [12:35] hi folks [12:35] I've just switched to KDE 4.8... after a short stint with WindowMaker ;-) [12:35] on Lucid, that is (10.4) [12:54] Anyone use Xchat here ? [12:55] diplo: yes [12:55] So have lot's of favourites [12:55] Auth with nickserv [12:56] One channel always chucks me to unregistered because i join quicker than it auths [12:56] Know of a way round it, had a quick googly, but nothing straight away [12:56] are you using xchat or xchat-gnome? [12:56] Vanilla Xchat [12:56] Don't like the Gnome version [12:57] nobody does :P [12:57]