[00:01] <ali1234> so i htink i figured out how the atrix actually works
[00:01] <ali1234> it's not chroot or anything like that
[00:01] <ali1234> i believe it's a full hypervisor with a virtualized usb connection between the two devices
[00:02] <ali1234> and then all the integration is done the same way as if you had a separate phone and computer connected by usb
[00:02] <ali1234> note that you can access the desktop of an android phone with debug bridge over usb or wireless
[00:02] <ali1234> and also query number of messages etc
[00:03] <ali1234> so the question then is, will i be able to get this fancy integration when i plug a real android phone into an ubuntu computer?
[00:06] <BigRedS> Oh, I'd assumed containers or something
[00:07] <BigRedS> I say 'or something', but I mean exactly containers
[00:07] <ali1234> vmware were running demos of android and ubuntu on pandaboard at one point
[00:07] <ali1234> or some arm board
[00:08] <penguin42> ali1234: Oh I see, I'd assumed it wasn't virtualised
[00:09] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsyh5_4Dz2c
[00:10] <penguin42> ali1234: No, I mean I'd assumed the ubuntu thing wasn't
[00:10] <ali1234> hypervisor doesn't care what you run :)
[00:11] <ali1234> ah here's the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNo6pn-dnSQ
[00:12] <ali1234> windows CE and android running on N800
[00:13] <BigRedS> ah yeah, I remember that
[00:17] <ali1234> ah supposedly it uses this http://www.ok-labs.com/
[00:20] <ali1234> http://wiki.ok-labs.com/ hey i recognise that guy on the frnt page
[00:21] <ali1234> oh my bad, different guy
[00:55] <ball> I feel deprived. I didn't get to eat any pancakes today.
[00:55] <ball> Hello webpigeon
[01:30] <Azelphur> I really love my advertising company lol
[01:30] <Azelphur> "We <3 patches" *Submit bugfix* "Thanks for the help, have a CS:GO beta key"
[01:32] <ali1234> your advertising company?
[01:32] <ali1234> also what's CS:GO?
[01:32] <Azelphur> ali1234: the company that pays me to show their adverts, CS:GO is an upcoming valve title I plan on hosting for
[01:34] <ali1234> yeah, but what is it?
[01:34] <Azelphur> ali1234: http://pinion.gg
[01:35] <ali1234> no, CS:GO?
[01:35] <ali1234> i assume it's a FPS?
[01:35] <Azelphur> yea
[01:35] <Azelphur> counter strike: global offensive
[01:36] <Azelphur> I would play it, but steams down as usual :D
[01:37] <ali1234> heh
[01:37] <ali1234> you should branch out into games that aren't FPS games
[01:38] <Azelphur> like minecraft, we've got a nice minecraft server about to go public :P
[01:38] <ali1234> i thought it was already public
[01:38] <Azelphur> it was, everything broke with 1.8 and Bukkit was so slow releasing the 1.0 update that it just died
[01:38] <ali1234> i was thinking more like yahoo games type stuff
[01:38] <ali1234> you can stuff way more advertising into web games
[01:39] <Azelphur> so now we've redone the whole thing and are planning to get it back out again, but it's /hugely/ improved :p
[01:39] <Azelphur> ali1234: yea, but those games are boring :(
[01:39] <ali1234> you don't have to play them
[01:41] <Azelphur> ali1234: perhaps, but I'm mostly valueadded atm
[01:43] <ali1234> what does that mean?
[01:44] <Azelphur> ali1234: I take the games, add cool things to them, decent support and quality hosting, tada.
[01:45] <Azelphur> our unmodified TF2 server receives the least traffic by far, compared to our modified one
[01:46] <ali1234> "homework help" forum. lol
[01:53] <Azelphur> ali1234: agree'd on the terrible forum layout >.>
[01:54] <Azelphur> and the terrible website in general
[01:54] <Azelphur> It's all being replaced
[02:26]  * penguin42 wonders if this is the whole reason for the package name     Unpacking replacement cheese ...
[07:17] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> !python-psycopg2
[07:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> !info python-psycopg2
[07:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> !info python-psycopg2 lucid
[07:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> !info python-psycopg2 +1
[07:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> !info python-psycopg2 precise
[07:41] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: having fun there?
[07:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-D
[07:45] <mattt> morning
[07:52] <DJones> Morning all
[07:52] <Myrtti> mmmöh.
[07:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> Good Morning my fine feathered friends... How are we all today then?
[08:00] <czajkowski> fandiddlytastic
[08:08] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu for Android: The Response - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/02/22/ubuntu-for-android-the-response/
[08:17] <diplo> Morning all
[08:25] <daubers> Morning
[08:34] <BigRedS> good morning!
[08:35] <Myrtti> I'm feeling a bit sad now for not getting a puzzle piece cookie cutter printed on Saturday
[08:35] <Myrtti> could have made puzzle donuts today
[08:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> Anyone fancy helping me think about doing redirects (apache or nginx - not really product specific) for a few minutes?
[08:37] <mattt> that ubuntu on the phone w/ docking station is very nice
[08:37]  * mattt wants
[08:54] <BigRedS> TheOpenSourcerer: think about doing redirects, or actually do redirects? :)
[08:54] <BigRedS> but, yeah, I can offer Apache flavoured suggestions
[08:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> Cool - Thanks BigRedS. Hang on.
[08:56] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[08:57] <BigRedS> no worries.
[08:57] <BigRedS> good morning!
[08:58] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps of irc :)
[08:58] <brobostigon> good morning BigRedS and bigcalm
[08:59] <bigcalm> Hi brobostigon
[09:08]  * dwatkins finds it amusing that when he went to google for a fourier transform application he discovered that it's Heinrich Rudolf Hertz's birthday 
[09:09] <bigcalm> That is a fun animation
[09:21] <dwatkins> indeed it is
[09:38]  * gord has the pancake regrets
[09:41] <czajkowski> gord: that'll learn you
[09:41] <gord> seeing as i get the pancake regrets every year, i don't think it will
[09:41] <mattt> regretting you didn't eat enough pancakes?
[09:41] <bigcalm> Has anybody told the Canonical design team that they now endorse goatse?
[09:42] <bigcalm> My regret is that we didn't have any :(
[09:42]  * AlanBell regrets that not enough batter was made
[09:42] <AlanBell> bigcalm: yes, I believe it has been noted
[09:42] <mattt> bigcalm: goatse, where?
[09:42] <gord> they displayed that logo on a giant banner at last uds
[09:42] <bigcalm> I know it's been noted by the community, but still...
[09:43] <bigcalm> gord: and thus were commited?
[09:43] <czajkowski> bigcalm: aye jon said the exact same thing last night when he saw the image
[09:43] <AlanBell> http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android ready to talk
[09:44] <AlanBell> I don't really get what the image is supposed to represent
[09:45] <AlanBell> "get in touch" perhaps. If you are E.T.
[09:47] <mattt> heh, i don't even recognize that image
[09:47]  * mattt needs more 4chan
[09:47] <czajkowski> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/q08zm/the_internet_has_ruined_me_seen_on_ubuntu_site/
[09:48] <JamesTait> Good morning all!
[09:49] <czajkowski> JamesTait: herrrro how were the lemons
[09:49] <JamesTait> czajkowski: Lemony. :)
[09:51] <JamesTait> czajkowski: I was quite chuffed with the experiment actually. The LED was actually lit, although it doesn't show up well on the photo.
[09:51] <czajkowski> JamesTait: oh didnt realise that
[09:53] <JamesTait> czajkowski: Connagh asked me the other day how batteries are made, so when we needed to get a lemon for the pancakes I said "Get a bag full, I've got a plan."
[09:55] <czajkowski> JamesTait: how do you say Connagh ?
[09:55] <JamesTait> czajkowski: Same way as Connor. ;)
[09:55] <JamesTait> czajkowski: Or Conor.
[09:56] <czajkowski> so what kind of spelling or variation is that ?
[09:56] <JamesTait> czajkowski: We thought the world needed another way to spell it. :-P
[09:56] <czajkowski> right
[09:56] <czajkowski> :)
[09:57] <JamesTait> czajkowski: It's an embarrassing mistake. :)
[09:57] <czajkowski> there are reasons my sister and I do not have Irish names :) besides the obvious of them not really going with the surname
[09:57] <czajkowski> JamesTait: too late to change, or is he always going to get asked why it is spelt that way
[09:57] <JamesTait> czajkowski: I saw Connah's Quay pass by on the football scores, and I could have sworn it had a 'g' in it.
[09:57] <AlanBell> lol
[09:58] <AlanBell> my kids have Irish middle names
[09:59] <JamesTait> czajkowski: We could change it, but why bother? He's always spelled it that way and people don't usually bat an eyelid when we correct their misspelling. :-P
[09:59] <czajkowski> JamesTait: they're not misspelling it :)
[09:59] <AlanBell> Aoife, Catriona, Cormac
[09:59] <czajkowski> but he will be unique :)
[09:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> Gosh.
[09:59] <JamesTait> czajkowski: Yeah, OK, I'll give you that. ;)
[09:59]  * TheOpenSourcerer just found out what goatse is :-(
[10:00] <JamesTait> TheOpenSourcerer: NSFW. :-P
[10:00] <AlanBell> now un-see it
[10:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> Indeed.
[10:00]  * JamesTait is bored of waiting for the insurance company.
[10:01] <mattt> JamesTait: reminds me of first time i saw siobahn :-/
[10:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: That is impossible. a bit like TGOC
[10:02] <JamesTait> mattt: Well at least Connagh kind of looks like how it often gets pronounced: Conn-AAAAAAGGGGGHHHHH!
[10:02] <czajkowski> mattt: aye Siobhan pretty name
[10:05] <mattt> czajkowski: nearly had a facepalm moment w/ that one tho
[10:06] <czajkowski> we used to find it odd listening to correnation st the way they said deidre
[10:06] <czajkowski> gah so help me am gonna start to get royally peeved off now when I alt tab on irc all my window goes white or transparent
[10:06] <czajkowski> so flipping annoying
[10:07]  * gord puts off doing that review for another day ;)
[10:07]  * czajkowski kicks gord 
[10:07] <czajkowski> no more bickies or tea ever for you
[10:08] <drhodesmumby> I walk in to find violence against gord? D:
[10:08] <drhodesmumby> What's he done to deserve such treatment?
[10:12] <AlanBell> he let some code escape the safety of his laptop
[10:30] <drhodesmumby> Seems a bit harsh AlanBell, unless said code was a nuclear launch code.
[10:31] <drhodesmumby> In which case I would find the question of why he possesses them considerably more interesting!
[10:31] <AlanBell> he is in your alt key breaking your screenshots
[10:33] <drhodesmumby> Not mah screenshots!
[10:33] <drhodesmumby> Oh teh noes!
[10:40] <bigcalm> Has anybody seen my motivation this morning?
[10:42] <czajkowski> bigcalm: hows the lighthouse?
[10:42] <bigcalm> czajkowski: that's tomorrow
[10:42] <czajkowski> ahh
[10:42] <bigcalm> Hopefully warmer than last week
[10:42] <bigcalm> Tonight will be my 1st attendance of Wolves LUG though
[10:43] <bigcalm> So I get an extra dose of mrevell and davmor2
[10:43] <bigcalm> mrevell: are you attending tonight and do you want a lift?
[10:47] <bigcalm> I shall use the A41/A5 and save myself a LOT of stress :)
[10:47] <mrevell> bigcalm, Hello! I'm unlikely to attend tonight. I have a work call at 20.00. Thanks for the lift offer; I'd have to drive myself if I were coming as I can't say when I'd be ready.
[10:48] <bigcalm> mrevell: ok
[10:50] <mattt> bigcalm: lighthouse?
[10:51] <Azelphur> hmm, ssh-copy-id has stopped working for me, it says it worked and that I should try sshing the machine, but when I do so it prompts me for the password again \o/
[10:51] <diplo> Really must get round to trying ssh-copy at some point
[10:51]  * diplo is still manual atm
[10:52] <AlanBell> I think it only works on the standard port
[10:52] <AlanBell> but it normally works well for me
[10:52] <Azelphur> yea it normally works well for me it just seems to have gone sideways
[10:52] <bigcalm> mattt: The Lighthouse media centre in Wolverhampton. Home workers such as mrevell, davmor2, myself and occasional others turn up every 2 weeks on a Thursday to do work.
[11:02] <davmor2> morning all
[11:02] <popey> that
[11:02] <bigcalm> Ah, davmor2, just the person. Good morning
[11:02]  * davmor2 runs away
[11:02] <bigcalm> Bwuhaha
[11:02] <davmor2> bigcalm: what, what?
[11:03] <bigcalm> davmor2: tonight's LUG meeting. The pub serves food I believe. Do LUG attendees actually eat there or would I be the only one?
[11:03] <davmor2> no most people eat there
[11:03] <bigcalm> Ah, cool
[11:04] <bigcalm> Means that I can have me a pint as well (not drinking on an empty tum)
[11:05] <davmor2> OI czajkowski PROD! morning
[11:05] <davmor2> MooDoo: me owld mukka
[11:06] <czajkowski> davmor2: herrrro greetings from millbank
[11:06] <davmor2> czajkowski: oh get you working from across the river
[11:06] <czajkowski> aye go me
[11:16] <s-fox> Hello.
[11:25]  * bigcalm considers parking at Fold St car park: a) it's free after 6pm, b) the walk across town will do me good
[11:25] <bigcalm> c) I know how to get to it ;)
[11:25] <Azelphur> Is it safe to pastebin the output from ssh -vv?
[11:25] <Azelphur> or does it contain lots of bad things
[11:26] <bigcalm> Azelphur: you might want to mask public IP addresses
[11:26] <Azelphur> *shrug* local connection \o/
[11:26] <bigcalm> Passwords shouldn't be shown
[11:27] <Azelphur> So here's the ssh -vv if anyone has any idea about my ssh-copy-id issue http://pastebin.com/aehQ5s4S
[11:27] <Azelphur> I get automatic login, but only if I already have an ssh session open with the remote host, besides that it doesn't connect
[11:32] <diplo> ebug1: Trying private key: /home/azelphur/.ssh/id_dsa
[11:32] <diplo> debug1: Trying private key: /home/azelphur/.ssh/id_ecdsa
[11:32] <diplo> debug2: we did not send a packet, disable method
[11:32] <Azelphur> so why's it not sending it? :(
[11:32] <diplo> Only issues I've had before are permissions on .ssh dir on remote host
[11:33] <diplo> It's kinda strict about that
[11:33] <Azelphur> http://paste.ubuntu.com/852527/
[11:33] <Azelphur> pretty sure it's fine :(
[11:33] <diplo> the dir itself
[11:34] <Azelphur> drwx------  2 bitcoin bitcoin     4096 2011-06-02 01:30 .ssh
[11:35] <diplo> http://www.noah.org/wiki/SSH_public_keys
[11:35] <diplo> Looks fine tbh
[11:35] <Azelphur> \o/
[11:35] <Azelphur> my keys are working fine for other servers
[11:35] <Azelphur> it's just this one specific box
[11:36] <diplo> yeah it's the .ssh dir on remote sites that I always have issues with, our staff seem to screw with the companies users profile everytime :(
[11:36] <Azelphur> \o/
[11:36] <diplo> Only other issue I have is that the rsa srting isn't one string
[11:37] <diplo> So hasn't been copied correctly
[11:37] <Azelphur> if I remove .ssh/authorized_keys on the remote is that likely to fix it?
[11:37] <Azelphur> I'm the only person accessing it anyway
[11:37] <diplo> yeah it will just stop auto login which doesn't work anyway
[11:37] <diplo> :)
[11:38] <Azelphur> yep, that fixed it \o/
[11:38] <Azelphur> ty :)
[11:38] <ali1234> do you have multiple key pairs?
[11:38] <Azelphur> wat
[11:38] <ali1234> it's a fairly simple question :/
[11:39] <Azelphur> haha, but I don't know hardly anything about ssh \o/
[11:40] <ali1234> when you run ssh-copy-id it uploads your public key to the remote host
[11:40] <Azelphur> ali1234: nah I only have the one
[11:41] <ali1234> if you have multiple keys it sometimes causes problems if ssh picks the wrong one
[11:42] <ali1234> like if you have two keys and only one has been put on the server
[11:42] <Azelphur> ali1234: I have reloaded a couple times and had my keys change, looks like the server had a bunch of old keys in it, could be the case
[11:43] <ali1234> that could do it, maybe if you had the same name for the key
[11:43] <Azelphur> :'( it's prompting for password again
[11:43] <Azelphur> and I only have one entry in the remote .ssh/authorized_keys
[11:44] <directhex> you're putting the contents of id_rsa.pub, not id_rsa?
[11:44] <directhex> it's not line wrapped?
[11:44] <Azelphur> I'm not touching any files
[11:44] <Azelphur> I'm just doing ssh-copy-id user@remote, it's saying it all went well, but I'm still getting a password prompt
[11:45] <popey> is the target user home directory /home/<user>/ ?
[11:45] <popey> and not some other random path?
[11:46] <diplo> Also not rsa2
[11:46] <ali1234> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the remote should be exactly the same file as ~/.ssh/id_<whatever>.pub on the local
[11:46] <Azelphur> popey: yes
[11:47] <andyloughran> howdy :)
[11:47] <Azelphur> ali1234: it is :)
[11:47] <ali1234> hmm actually there might be an extra trailing newline on one of them
[11:47] <andyloughran> guys, is there a build of andrubuntu that I can put on my S2 using odin ?
[11:47] <ali1234> but other than that
[11:47] <ali1234> andyloughran: NO
[11:47] <andyloughran> ali :p
[11:47] <andyloughran> I guess I'm not the first to ask
[11:47] <andyloughran> only saw jono's post this morning
[11:48] <ali1234> actually, you are
[11:48] <popey> heh
[11:48] <popey> the first _here_
[11:48] <ali1234> Azelphur: how many id_*.pub files do you have in ~/.ssh/ on local machine?
[11:48] <andyloughran> wahey!
[11:49] <Azelphur> ali1234: 1
[11:49] <ali1234> Azelphur: hmm :/
[11:49] <ali1234> andyloughran: odin is the samsung flashing tool right?
[11:49] <andyloughran> what about hacking the firmware on my Samsung LCD to add ubuntu TV
[11:49] <andyloughran> ali1234: yeah
[11:49] <andyloughran> :p
[11:50] <ali1234> well, the thing is..... the whole thing relies on the phone already having a hypervisor
[11:51] <ali1234> and the necessary drivers of course
[11:51] <AlanBell> which is just that obscure motorola thing
[11:51] <AlanBell> well might not be obscure, just I never heard of it before yesterday
[11:51] <ali1234> the hypervisor is't motorola actually, it's made by open labs
[11:52] <andyloughran> hmm, I have the Samsung TV that was used for the demo
[11:52] <andyloughran> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA0MDc
[11:52] <ali1234> see okl4.org
[11:52] <ali1234> i don't know anything about the TV demo
[11:54] <AlanBell> what is the difference between a TV and an HDMI monitor?
[11:54] <ali1234> AlanBell: a TV has a tuner?
[11:54] <popey> and a remote contorl
[11:54] <popey> *control
[11:54] <AlanBell> so I didn't get that part of the demo with the phone
[11:54] <ali1234> and if it's a decent TV, a lot of deinterlacing and motion compensation hardware
[11:54] <seeker> Generally more processing in a TV
[11:54] <popey> it was easier to just show you with one screen
[11:55] <AlanBell> they unplugged it from what looked like a TV, then plugged it into what looked like a TV
[11:55] <AlanBell> and announced now, this is a TV
[11:55] <popey> what don't you get?
[11:55] <AlanBell> the phone demo
[11:55] <popey> what don't you get?
[11:55]  * Myrtti facepalms at Finnish media publishing a story based on Canonical press release on "how Android phones will soon have Linux"
[11:56] <popey> haha
[11:56] <ali1234> wrong on so many levels
[11:56] <Myrtti> it's not even the only mistake
[11:56] <bigcalm> Awww
[11:56] <ali1234> but hey
[11:56] <AlanBell> I don't get how you get a different experience from a monitor to a TV, which was implied in the demo
[11:56] <ali1234> the announcement was pretty misleading to start with
[11:56] <Myrtti> "version of Ubunta"
[11:56] <popey> ok, here's a scenario
[11:57] <awilkins> They were running Ubuntu TV on the phone as well as Ubuntu Desktop... I think there may be some smoke and mirrors there concerning how it knows what's a TV and whats a monitor - it must be preconfigured depending on the device identifier
[11:57] <popey> on the way to work, phone in pocket, catching up with email, using phone as a phone
[11:57] <Myrtti> "smart phone docked to the desktop computer works beside the phone" WHUT
[11:57] <popey> get to work, plug into dock, phone says "A dock! I will switch to 'Desktop mode'"
[11:57] <popey> pull phone out of dock, phone says "No dock, time to be a phone again"
[11:57] <ali1234> popey: we understand the idea
[11:57] <ali1234> the point is, the video didn't make it very clear
[11:58] <AlanBell> so dock=desktop, cable=tv?
[11:58] <popey> ok, I'll stop
[11:58] <ali1234> AlanBell: the dock can say "i'm a TV" or "i'm a desktop workstation"
[11:58] <awilkins> AlanBell,  You could probably infer that you wanted to be a desktop or TV from the lack of keyboard
[11:58] <ali1234> because it's just a USB device
[11:58] <popey> or the existence of a remote contorl
[11:58] <awilkins> Or from the device identifier of the screen
[11:58] <popey> *control
[11:58] <awilkins> Or whatever
[11:58] <ali1234> exactly
[11:59] <AlanBell> ok, I see now
[11:59] <popey> which is what I was getting to
[11:59] <popey> hey ho
[11:59] <andyloughran> I like it
[11:59] <ali1234> andyloughran: why didn't you buy it a year ago when it was released then?
[11:59] <awilkins> I like it. I like that I've not seen them trying the same thing with Windows
[11:59] <andyloughran> I like the android app for turning my S2 into a remote control for my Samsung TV
[11:59] <andyloughran> ali1234: why didn't i buy what?
[11:59] <AlanBell> ali1234: because nobody marketed it at me a year ago when I was buying phones
[12:00] <ali1234> you can't tell me you never heard about it
[12:00] <AlanBell> I never heard about it
[12:00] <AlanBell> until yesterday
[12:00]  * bigcalm hugs popey
[12:00] <ali1234> it won the "best most amazing phone ever" award at MWC
[12:00] <ali1234> and it was all over engadget and etc
[12:01] <andyloughran> I don't have such a sophisticated setup - I once setup my phone (sony ericsson w100 I think) to have ubuntu run in live mode on it's SD card, so when I plugged the phone in via usb it booted up into ubuntu
[12:01] <andyloughran> ali1234: I've not heard of it
[12:02] <andyloughran> and lack of funds :p
[12:02] <awilkins> I reckon this sort of thing is probably good for management types
[12:02] <ali1234> yeah
[12:03] <awilkins> Esp. the ones who travel a lot
[12:03] <popey> corporates is exactly who its good for
[12:03] <ali1234> i know a few people this would be perfect for
[12:03] <bigcalm> Early lunch \o/
[12:03] <ali1234> except for the fact they need to run windows
[12:03] <awilkins> Depends how deep the need to run Windows is
[12:04] <awilkins> I do agree that some people have that need
[12:04] <ali1234> they need to run office and have it actually work properly
[12:05] <ali1234> and you can try to claim it runs in wine but that a) won't work on arm and b) is incredibly buggy
[12:05] <awilkins> I'm willing to bet that LibreOffice probably isn't up to it yet either
[12:05] <ali1234> lol
[12:05] <ali1234> ok so they work on charts and reports a lot
[12:06] <ali1234> these are reports for clients
[12:06] <ali1234> so they need to know that the client can open it and what it will look like when they do open it
[12:07] <ali1234> also they heavily use outlook as their "cloud"
[12:08] <ali1234> rather than a dropbox or something, everything goes on the outlook folders
[12:09] <ali1234> how is ubuntu one for corporate use btw?
[12:10] <awilkins> My assessment would be "poor"
[12:10] <ali1234> is there anything like the google thing for corps?
[12:10] <ali1234> can't remember if it's apps or domains or apps for domains
[12:10] <awilkins> The last I look it still had bad proxy support
[12:10] <ali1234> what i mean is, is there a way you can set up some kind of "group" on it?
[12:11] <ali1234> and have a folder shared by default company wide
[12:11] <ali1234> and automatically have your contacts sync company wide
[12:12] <ali1234> so when you hire a new guy and add them to the group, they appear on everyone's contacts
[12:12] <awilkins> ali1234, I'm not sure it supports that at all ... I can't get past the bad proxy support in the client from an "enterprise" POV
[12:12] <ali1234> why do enterprises love proxies so much?
[12:13] <ali1234> what do they think it is going to do?
[12:13] <awilkins> I know, that's a separate issue
[12:13] <awilkins> Especially MS ISA
[12:13] <awilkins> I *hate* MS ISA
[12:13] <ali1234> goes without saying.
[12:14] <ali1234> i don't know anyone who uses that stuff
[12:14] <awilkins> "Hey, configure your proxy to require *Windows Auth* to work - that'll be really cool"
[12:14] <awilkins> I hate doing Windows Auth over HTTP as well
[12:14] <awilkins> It's a right pain in the butt, especially for sites running on Apache / Linux
[12:15] <awilkins> We have not arrived at a satisfactory solution yet, despite trying for the last 7 years or something stupid
[12:15] <ali1234> sounds very enterprisey
[12:15] <ali1234> i don't even know why they call it that
[12:16] <awilkins> And our last unsolicited pen test report from ICT made a load of recommendations that would break things like RDP for not only Linux clients but our Windows XP ones too
[12:17] <awilkins> Our ISA servers are configured such that they break Subversion because they only permit GET and POST and not WebDAV methods
[12:19] <awilkins> Now, we COULD do naughty things like ... oooo.. tunnelling all our traffic through our router at home via SOCKS / SSH. But that would be NAUGHTY.
[12:19] <ali1234> the kind of people i'm thinking of... basically don't have any servers at all
[12:19] <ali1234> everyne at the company has a laptop and a phone that they take everywhere
[12:20] <ali1234> they have hosted exchange accounts
[12:20] <ali1234> and that's it
[12:20] <ali1234> they don't even have desktop PCs in their office. just keyboards and monitors they plug the laptops in to
[12:21] <awilkins> I think that's an increasingly common setup
[12:21] <ali1234> indeed
[12:21] <awilkins> I've worked that way for the last 15 years
[12:21] <awilkins> Although I do like my Big Fat Desktop at home
[12:21] <directhex> god fucking damnit
[12:22] <awilkins> Ahem, family channel
[12:22] <awilkins> (network, even)
[12:22] <directhex> justified, tbh.
[12:23] <davmor2> bigcalm: early lunch == long afternoon working
[12:29] <bigcalm> davmor2: depends upon when I return to work ;)
[12:30] <gord> this is the weirdest bit of marketing for a video game ever... http://petition.masseffect.com/
[12:33] <awilkins> Hmm. If I were the admin at DirectGov I would take a VERY dim view of that
[12:33]  * bigcalm heads off to shop
[12:34] <awilkins> Unless it's a shameless attempt to knock "Drop the NHS Bill" off the top spot on the ePetitions list
[12:34] <gord> i don't really see anything wrong with it
[12:35] <hoover> hi folks
[12:35] <hoover> I've just switched to KDE 4.8... after a short stint with WindowMaker ;-)
[12:35] <hoover> on Lucid, that is (10.4)
[12:54] <diplo> Anyone use Xchat here ?
[12:55] <davmor2> diplo: yes
[12:55] <diplo> So have lot's of favourites
[12:55] <diplo> Auth with nickserv
[12:56] <diplo> One channel always chucks me to unregistered because i join quicker than it auths
[12:56] <diplo> Know of a way round it, had a quick googly, but nothing straight away
[12:56] <Azelphur> are you using xchat or xchat-gnome?
[12:56] <diplo> Vanilla Xchat
[12:56] <diplo> Don't like the Gnome version
[12:57] <Azelphur> nobody does :P
[12:57] <diplo> heh
[12:57] <Azelphur> it should do auth before joining channels, that's highly likely to be a bug or something weird going on
[12:57] <diplo> Will go back to irssi at some point but not there yet
[12:57] <diplo> It's not the be all for me, it's only CentOS channel
[12:57] <diplo> :)
[12:58] <Azelphur> workaround you could use a bouncer, then the bouncer does it properly for you :P
[12:58] <diplo> Think I'll probably go back to Irssi, only had one issue with it
[12:58] <diplo> And that was if I was downloading something on my connection at home it lagged to much
[12:58] <diplo> :P
[12:58] <diplo> So going to stick on vps when i get it
[12:59] <Azelphur> hehe
[12:59] <Azelphur> yea depends what you like really, some people prefer irssi on a VPS
[12:59] <Azelphur> other people prefer native clients for whatever platform they are using, and a bouncer
[12:59] <davmor2> diplo: have a look on their site they have a load of plugins and scripts for doing pretty much everything
[13:00] <diplo> Cheers will take a look
[13:01] <diplo> In my gaming days I used to run a bouncer for everyone on my game server
[13:01] <diplo> pysbnc or something from memory
[13:01] <diplo> loooooonnnnnnggggggg time ago
[13:01] <diplo> :)
[13:04] <davmor2> diplo: there are a few answers here http://askubuntu.com/questions/6332/prevent-xchat-from-trying-to-join-channels-until-i-have-been-authenticated
[13:05] <diplo> I forgot askubuntu last night!
[13:05]  * diplo looks
[13:05] <diplo> cheers
[13:10] <diplo> Set a delay, see if that works
[13:11] <diplo> That'll do it \o/
[13:11] <diplo> Cheers davmor2
[13:51] <bigcalm> I have returned!
[13:52] <davmor2> bigcalm: No you haven't
[13:52] <bigcalm> ;
[13:52] <bigcalm> return true;
[13:52] <bigcalm> I have returned
[13:53] <davmor2> ;
[13:53] <davmor2> return true == false;
[13:54] <bigcalm> Bah
[13:55] <bigcalm> That's still returning a value
[14:00] <czajkowski> ubuntu UK ml where on top replies or snips away the entire thread so you don't know what the person is replying back to exactly
[14:00] <czajkowski> :/
[14:00]  * BigRedS tries to decipher that
[14:01] <AlanBell> sandwich posting \o/
[14:01] <bigcalm> bigcalm: ubuntu-uk mailing list people are replying to emails incorrectly
[14:01] <gord> i think i am going to have to make a new home partition that uses a HDD, then symlink in the SSD for certain folders... all because ubuntu one won't let me sync things that are outside my home directory and i'm running out of space :(
[14:01] <popey> wow, big wall of text from kris there
[14:01] <popey> did he establish what version they had before asking them to use the applicayion menu?
[14:01] <popey> i was going to reply but the references to mint make me not want to
[14:01] <bigcalm> Mmmm, minty
[14:02] <gord> i pretty much don't read mailing lists anymore, its just a place for people to rant on mostly
[14:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> There's a lot of ranting going - that's for sure.
[14:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> Although I'm very happy with Ubuntu 10.10 ;-)
[14:04] <czajkowski> all the ohh Mint is more popular, dear gods how many times do folks have to be told what downloads mean
[14:14] <penguin42> The mint guys do seem to have done a nice job
[14:15] <bigcalm> popey: short on patients today I see :)
[14:17] <bigcalm> I do believe that it is time for a cuppa tea
[14:18] <BigRedS> Is that cinnamon?
[14:18] <BigRedS> I had a go on that at fosdem. It was like 2003 but with rounded corners.
[14:18] <BigRedS> I'm sure people like it and all, but it feels very old-for-the-sake-of-it
[14:24] <penguin42> BigRedS: I like it, didn't feel old to me
[14:25] <BigRedS> I've been using Gnome3 for a year or so now, menus feel *so* clunky and convoluted now
[14:25] <penguin42> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/12/02/22/1323204/adobe-makes-flash-on-gnulinux-chrome-only     ouch
[14:27] <bigcalm> Another reason not to use it?
[14:27] <penguin42> like we have a choice
[14:27] <bigcalm> Yes, I choose not to use it
[14:32] <gord> i'll just keep using the current flash version
[14:33] <penguin42> gord: Which will just gain more and more known vulnerabilities
[14:34] <gord> if you actually read the article and not slashdot because slashdot is terrible "Adobe will continue to provide security updates to non-Pepper distributions of Flash Player 11.2 on Linux for five years from its release."
[14:35] <penguin42> hmm ok, thanks - I guess that's not too bad - with any luck 5 years might let us finally bury most of Flash
[14:35] <gord> or mozilla will support that other api
[14:36] <gord> its not like i'm aching for new features in flash 12 or whatever
[14:36] <penguin42> gord: Oh agreed, it's just pages that already exist - there are a couple I use I know don't work in Chrome for example
[14:44]  * penguin42 moves this <--- machine to sid
[14:49] <aquarius> gord, you could bind-mount external folders into your home folder and sync them with U1 that way... but... there be dragons, so you need to be careful.
[14:50] <gord> aquarius, yeah tried things like that before, didn't really end well. so i figure going the other way and having a large hard drive and symlinking files/directories in from the fast ssd when i need to makes more sense in the long run
[14:57] <DJones> popey: What app are/where you using for your webcam, I was looking at webcam-server but sounds like thats no longer available, is your blog at http://popey.com/blog/2010/12/20/my-ubuntu-webcam-setup/ still the same as the current setup
[14:58] <popey> yup
[14:58] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/webcamrc.txt
[14:58] <popey> sommat like that
[14:58] <DJones> Thanks, I'll have a look at that
[14:59] <DJones> Last time I had it running, I was using "Motion" as the webcam app
[15:07] <daubers> Afternoon
[15:07] <daubers> Has anyone got an audio captcha plugin for asterisk yet?
[15:09] <popey> "Say BANANA"
[15:09] <gord> BANANA
[15:10] <gord> why?
[15:10] <gord> oooh
[15:11] <MooDoo> hello all
[15:17] <davmor2> gord: "say BANANA PHONE"
[15:31] <penguin42> hmm they've street view'd moscow - nice to look around
[15:33] <awilkins> In Soviet Russia, street views you
[15:35] <jpds> penguin42: Saint Petersburg's fair nicer.
[15:35] <jpds> far*
[15:36] <penguin42> thanks - I'll have a look
[15:46] <AlanBell> Bug #938764
[15:46] <AlanBell> naught HUD, don't do that.
[15:51] <ahayzen> AlanBell: which mode is VBox in when this is happening?... I usually use 'seamless mode'...and am just curious ;)
[15:52] <AlanBell> full screen
[15:52] <ahayzen> AlanBell: does it happen in the other modes?
[15:53] <AlanBell> yes, but that is probably a good thing in seamless mode
[15:54] <ahayzen> yeah probably
[15:54] <AlanBell> of course it *should* do magic to pick up the menu content of the guest windows and reparent them into the global menu and hud
[15:55] <AlanBell> cross operating systems
[15:55] <ahayzen> that would be cool
[15:56] <ahayzen> Wish i didn't have coursework so I could help with the unity bugs :(
[16:03] <gord> smarter peoples than me: if i cp my home directory to another partition, keeping permissions/timestamps intact, then mount that partition in /home, will everything work as normal?
[16:05] <BigRedS> yes
[16:05] <BigRedS> as long as you do everything
[16:06] <BigRedS> do cp -a /home/gord /new/home/partition   or otherwise make sure all the dotfiles come with
[16:06] <gord> BigRedS, does that handle symlinks gracefully?
[16:07] <AlanBell> when you are not logged in and lightdm changes your wallpaper, where does it store the wallpapers it changes to? does it cache them somewhere or really pull them out of your home directory (and how does it do that with encrypted home?)
[16:07] <BigRedS> gord: yeah. -a does --preserve=all
[16:07] <BigRedS> so you'll have a new link with the same destination
[16:08] <gord> neat
[16:08] <gord> if everything breaks i'll come back and blame you
[16:08] <AlanBell> consider rsync if /home/gord is more than a few 10s of GB
[16:08] <gord> i mean. uh, thanks :)
[16:08] <BigRedS> haha
[16:09] <gord> AlanBell, whys that?
[16:09] <BigRedS> I've not noticed much difference in speed
[16:09] <BigRedS> well, I've not noticed any
[16:09] <BigRedS> but I've not been very scientific
[16:09] <AlanBell> it does checksums and is restartable
[16:09] <gord> speed i could care less about, but i think rsync does progress in certain configurations which would be handy
[16:09] <BigRedS> yeah
[16:10] <BigRedS> I do cp -a and if that fails I resume it with an rsync
[16:10] <AlanBell> interesting
[16:10] <BigRedS> I think it's force of habit. Always rsync for remote, cp for local
[16:10] <BigRedS> fewer characters, probably
[16:10] <gord> AlanBell, anything special i need to do with rsync to get the same deal as cp -a?
[16:11] <AlanBell> -avz I think, something like that
[16:11] <BigRedS> yeah
[16:11] <BigRedS> -a is the same as -a on cp, -v is verbose so you get a list of files and -z zips them which it doesn't do local-to-local anyway
[16:11] <gord> -r for recursion too?
[16:12] <BigRedS> -a includes a -r
[16:12] <gord> neat
[16:12] <BigRedS> -a is recursive preserving permissions, links, ownership, timestamps etc
[16:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> man cp
[16:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-)
[16:13] <gord> it is rather more easier and less error prone to ask #u-uk than it is to rtfm ;)
[16:14] <BigRedS> yeah, and I feel like I've just justified all the questions I've asked now :)
[16:19] <gord> this is going much faster than my remote rsyncs, obviously the high speeds are faster, but the lots of small files case seems to be faster too
[16:21] <BigRedS> that's one thing rsync's less good at - it spends a while stating files at the beginning
[16:21] <BigRedS> if there's billions of tiny ones it's definitely not-ideal but I don't know if anything's better
[16:22] <penguin42> and tends to eat about 100bytes/file - can get a problem if you have a HUGE directory
[16:24] <gord> rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code 23) at main.c(1070) [sender=3.0.9]
[16:24] <gord> i blame AlanBell!
[16:24]  * AlanBell hides
[16:25] <gord> sure would be nice if you could grep the previous commands output
[16:26] <kaushal> Hi
[16:27] <kaushal> is there a way to know the type of hard disk and rpm speed on ubuntu 11.10 ?
[16:27] <BigRedS> smartctl -a /dev/sda   will give you a bunch of data
[16:27] <BigRedS> not sure on rpm
[16:27] <kaushal> i mean is it scsi or sata or ssd ?
[16:30] <diplo> hdparm -i /dev/sda etc ?
[16:31] <diplo> Or capitol I
[16:32] <ahayzen> kaushal: You can get alot of info from the 'Disk Utility'
[16:32] <gord> huh, it actually seems to have worked
[16:34] <BigRedS> haha
[16:37] <buzz> one annoying thing with rsyn c(I have more than one actually), is that some stuff is not intuitive, like when restoring from a backup where xattrs were used to store ownership etc, you have to do something like "rsync -a --numeric-ids --rsync-path="rsync --fake-super" XX@localhost:/ dest"
[16:37] <buzz> also it never had fully implemented working rename detection, although there was a patch at some point that sometimes worked
[16:41] <dwatkins> I imagine it's difficult to implement without a stateful sync tool.
[18:17] <popey> http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2012/02/22/s05e00-season-5-is-coming/
[18:25] <AlanBell> topic needs updating
[18:48] <BigRedS> There really should be a diff printed out when the topic's changed
[18:48] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: there's an irssi script/plugin
[18:49] <MartijnVdS> in the irssi-scripts package
[18:49] <BigRedS> ah yeah, there would be
[18:52]  * bigcalm sets off to find out how weird the folk are that attend Woves LUG
[18:52] <bigcalm> Wolves LUG even
[19:11] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ubuntu UK Podcast] S05E00  Season 5 is coming! - http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2012/02/22/s05e00-season-5-is-coming/
[19:28] <jacobw> evening
[20:21] <djbenny> evening
[21:11] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Testing Ubuntu Accomplishments - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/02/22/testing-ubuntu-accomplishments/
[21:32] <AlanBell> how would you add an audio commentary to a screencast?
[21:33] <AlanBell> if for example you did a 5 minute screencast with the microphone muted for example
[21:33] <ali1234> i would use openshot
[21:34] <AlanBell> yeah, I like it for editing, but I don't see a "playback and record sound as a new track" option
[21:34] <ali1234> er
[21:34] <ali1234> play video in mplayer while recording audio
[21:34] <ali1234> drop audio file in openshot
[21:34] <ali1234> drag it to the timeline
[21:34] <ali1234> export
[21:35] <AlanBell> ok, that works :)
[21:36] <ali1234> if you are feeling really lazy and your computer is powerful enough, just record a new screencast of the video playing in mplayer while yu talk, this time remembering to enable the mic
[21:36] <popey> hello
[21:36] <popey> choo choo
[21:36]  * brobostigon joins in with making choochoo sounds.
[21:37]  * popey is at Waterloo
[21:37] <ali1234> you can also "audioswap" with ffmpeg if you don't want to reencode the video
[21:37] <ali1234> but that's a command line hassle
[21:37] <popey> AlanBell: see lp:ffscreencast for how you can extract audio and add different audio
[21:37] <popey> at the end of the script
[21:37] <popey> but yeah, a gui is "better"
[21:38]  * czajkowski waves at popey 
[21:38] <popey> hullo
[21:39] <popey> eek, moving
[21:39] <ali1234> i found the compiz plugin for drawing on the screen
[21:39] <ali1234> usefu for screencasting
[21:39] <ali1234> can you guess what the default shortcut is for it?
[21:39] <popey> does it need 8 fingers?
[21:39] <ali1234> no
[21:39] <AlanBell> does it bring up the HUD?
[21:39] <ali1234> only 2
[21:39] <popey> alt+super?
[21:39] <ali1234> right
[21:40] <popey> haha
[21:40] <popey> brilliant
[21:40] <AlanBell> fail
[21:40] <ali1234> i unbound those two keys from unity
[21:40] <popey> i had some very interesting discussions with the designers today
[21:40] <SuperEngineer> alt-super... did somebody call ? .... ;)
[21:40] <popey> about unity, window management
[21:40] <popey> 14.04 is going to be a great release :D
[21:40] <ali1234> lolz
[21:41] <popey> had fun with the numbers on the launcher 'stick' on
[21:41] <popey> which was useful for determining at any time how many icons i had in the launcher
[21:41] <popey> unless i had more than 10
[21:42] <ali1234> i've said all along that unity will be good when it stops being "experimental" and starting being sensible :)
[21:42] <ali1234> same goes for gnome-shell
[21:43] <ali1234> gnome has already been through that cycle once
[21:43] <popey> i cant help but smile that i am on a train using a brand new laptop and a leading mobile phone to talk on irc ☺
[21:43] <popey> thats a fair assesment
[21:43] <KrimZon> I think the main thing I want from unity right now before I use it lots is to only show icons for what's in the current workspace
[21:44] <ali1234> KrimZon: the new version half does that, actually
[21:44]  * AlanBell figures out you start recording audio first, then hit play in mplayer
[21:44] <ali1234> KrimZon: by default
[21:44] <ali1234> if there are windows of the app on the current workspace it will only show those windows if you click the launcher twice
[21:44] <ali1234> if there aren't, it takes you to another workspace still
[21:44] <ali1234> but you can tell by looking at the little arrow now, what will happen when you click it
[21:45] <ali1234> so all in all, an improvement
[21:45] <popey> time for some train based emulation fun
[21:45] <ali1234> this is actually a compiz setting btw, only the default was changed
[21:45] <popey> ttfn
[21:47] <KrimZon> it's just that in gnome2 i had everything organized based on whether it was dealing with already running programs or with starting new ones
[21:47] <KrimZon> have, rather, because I'm still on 10.04
[21:48] <ali1234> yeah i don't like docks much because of the way they blur that line
[21:48] <ali1234> but that's never going to change
[21:49] <ali1234> anyway the new setting is much better, try it
[21:49] <AlanBell> yeah, I took everything out of the launcher
[21:50] <AlanBell> I have pinned a few things again, but it really confused me to begin with having stuff that wasn't running in the launcher that I didn't know how to close
[21:50] <ali1234> seriously?
[21:50]  * directhex moos
[21:50] <ali1234> the launcher itself never confused me. annoyed me, yes....
[21:51] <AlanBell> ali1234: well not for very long, but I was a bit perplexed by it
[21:51] <ali1234> now, the old "all desktops" window switching thing... that really confused me
[21:51] <KrimZon> I'd call it confusion, albeit momentary, when I want to open a new window and end up with the existing one on another workspace
[21:51] <ali1234> i could never know which desktop i was on and which desktops my windows were on
[21:51] <ali1234> so i just used 1 desktop all the time
[21:52] <AlanBell> I have only used a mac a few times and I didn't get where applications came and went from in the dock, having used unity I now understand the mac dock I think
[21:52] <ali1234> KrimZon: yeah exactly. that can still happen, but it is now possible to tell from the graphical hints whether it is going to happen or not
[21:52] <ali1234> before it was impossible to tell
[21:53] <KrimZon> but the behaviour of the icon is still inconsistent
[21:53] <KrimZon> dependant upon whether there's already an instance running
[21:53] <ali1234> yes
[21:53] <KrimZon> I would've loved it if they just added dock-style launcher icons to gnome 2
[21:53] <ali1234> ugh
[21:53] <ali1234> i would not have loved that
[21:54] <KrimZon> as an extra feature, rather than replacement
[21:54] <ali1234> they would all move around every time i log in, no thanks
[21:54] <KrimZon> well, by that I mean they start the app if it's not open else they switch to it
[21:54] <KrimZon> for stuff like pidgin and x-chat
[21:55] <ali1234> if i'm gonna run gnome 2, i won't be having any dock functions
[21:55] <KrimZon> pidgin handles 2 instances by itself, but x-chat embarrasses me by logging in twice :p
[21:55] <ali1234> if you don't like inconsistent icons, why do you want to put that design into gnome 2?
[21:55] <ali1234> just so you'd be able to turn it off?
[21:56] <KrimZon> well... maybe turning it off was my first reaction when I heard the feature discussed
[21:56] <ali1234> anyway, point is, once you;ve got a terminal window open on all workspaces, unity will now never warp you to another workspace when clicking the launcher like it used to do
[21:56] <KrimZon> I still think there's some stuff it's just handy to have a button to launch that won't run it if it's already running
[21:56] <ali1234> which was my main problem with it really
[21:57] <KrimZon> yeah, terminal windows are the opposite end - if you press terminal you generally want a new one, not the one that's doing something else already
[21:57] <ali1234> not really
[21:57]  * AlanBell wonders what to do about window quicklists
[21:57] <ali1234> i normally want "the terminal on this workspace" - not the last one i touched on any workspace
[21:58] <ali1234> because i have about 5 terminals open on every workspace
[21:58] <ali1234> so i go to the workspace related to the task first, then i look for the temrinal i want
[21:58] <ali1234> same goes for firefox windows
[21:58] <KrimZon> hmm
[21:58] <AlanBell> indeed, and raising every single terminal is not helpful
[21:58] <ali1234> cos i need my API reference as well
[21:58] <ali1234> and text editor
[21:58] <ali1234> and i'm usually working on three things at once
[21:59] <ali1234> so each workspace has a gedit, a firefox, and a bunch of terminals
[21:59] <ali1234> then i'll also probably have minecraft or eve running on another workspace
[21:59] <AlanBell> yup
[21:59] <ali1234> and of course i need another firefox window for that open on monitor 2 for reference
[22:00] <ali1234> we finally got the ability to loaunch programs on monitor 2 while something is running fullscreen on monitor 1
[22:00] <ali1234> previously i had to move to aother workspace with keyboard shortcut, open firefox, drag it to second monitor, "send to workspace" then switch back to the game
[22:00] <ali1234> such a faff
[22:01] <sagaci> alt+`
[22:01] <KrimZon> I don't use multi-monitor configurations at home
[22:01] <ali1234> alt+`?
[22:01] <ali1234> ow does that help me?
[22:02] <ali1234> eve is a game that caters to the type of players that all other mmorpgs hate
[22:03] <ali1234> you are basically expected to play it with a guide open at all times, otherwise you will get utterly destroyed
[22:03] <ali1234> the in game browser sucks though
[22:03] <AlanBell> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MoXhfnmODbk#! nice fix to a silly fail
[22:04] <ali1234> what how does that work?!
[22:05] <AlanBell> move to the side of the window, scroll thumb leaps to the mouse, click the thumb and drag sideways to resize the window, rather than trying to sneak up on it from the right and resize when it isn't looking
[22:05] <ali1234> nice
[22:20] <popey> \o/ home
[22:21] <KrimZon> I played eve for a while
[22:21] <KrimZon> some time ago, until it started feeling too much like work
[22:22] <ali1234> yeah the trick is to never join a corp :)
[22:22] <KrimZon> I didn't, I used to just try to find decent trade routes that would make some kind of profit
[22:23] <andylockran> howdy
[22:23] <andylockran> I left my charger for the lappy at work today - absolute bummmer.
[22:23] <ali1234> jita -> anywhere makes you a profit on any widely used t2 modules
[22:24] <ali1234> i log in once every two weeks and do an orca trip, that's enough to cover my plex
[22:26] <ali1234> also, the eve UI is now a blatant rip-off of unity
[22:26] <KrimZon> haha
[22:26] <ali1234> they even have progress bars on their launcher
[22:26] <ali1234> for skill training
[22:26] <ali1234> and you can move the icons around
[22:26] <ali1234> it was similar before but they've obviously taken a lot of inspiration :)
[22:27] <zleap> how do i search for a file in ubuntu 11.10
[22:28] <ali1234> through the dash
[22:28] <KrimZon> I must confess I quit searching for files when I switched to linux
[22:28] <zleap> it finds the files but how do i get it to tell me where the file is
[22:28] <ali1234> hahaha
[22:28] <zleap> as in path to file, so i can navigate to it
[22:28] <ali1234> you're not supposed to care where it is
[22:28] <zleap> grrr
[22:28] <ali1234> just always open it through the dash
[22:29] <ali1234> if you want to know where it is, open nautilus and hit ctrl-f
[22:29] <zleap> ok
[22:29] <ali1234> or just use find in a terminal
[22:30] <ali1234> zleap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Guwvwp0uSU8
[22:31] <zleap> i got it
[22:31] <zleap> just that dash needs to display more info, perhaps hover over the file and it displays path,  creation date so you can manage multiple copies of the same document
[22:32] <ali1234> well the 12.04 has a filtering thing where you can sort by date etc
[22:32] <ali1234> you have to go to the file lens
[22:32] <ali1234> dunno how any of it works on older versions... can't remember
[22:33] <zleap> well that sounds better to me, at least then when it is searching across multiple file systems,  and say drop box folder users can find the oldest version and maybe delete
[22:36] <zleap> ali1234, thanks
[22:37] <zleap> in 11.10 it just displaysd icons for the files and filename
[22:39] <KrimZon> I'll have to install 12.04 in a vm for a while
[22:40] <zleap> k
[22:53] <Azelphur> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-kbMF1GF2A&hd=1 \o/
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