[00:07] Hey [00:07] Oh, gone [00:07] Yeah this is kinda what I mean :P [00:07] abdicated [04:20] hi [04:22] I bought a acer netbook with intel N2600 and itel GMA3600 [04:22] I dont know whether xubuntu works on it [04:23] anyone could give a idea? [04:23] probably it does - have you tried the live cd - you might need an external cd drive [04:25] autif1:well, this GMA3600 CARD is very new, intel just released the driver for windows7, no Linux version is seen [04:30] ajin - interesting - try xubuntu 12.04 alpha 2 cd - it might have latest drivers. the easiest fastest way would be test using a live cd or a USB drive. I donot know if gms3600 is supported yet or its driver has been backported to older versions of ubuntu or xubuntu - BTW - they use the same linux kernels and hence drivers [04:30] all the best :-) [04:31] USB drive meant USB flash drive - presumably the netbook boots from USB [04:34] autif1: yes,dear. I tried ubuntu11.10 on it last night, and it runed quite slowly, and there's driver missing. My netbook can boot from USB drive [04:35] cool - try 12.04 alpha 2 [04:36] if that works - you will have it by april end. if not - then you will have to wait until that driver is included in ubuntu or wait until it is in the linux kernel and compile your own kernel. Welcome to Linux :-) [04:37] gn now [04:37] autif1:ok, I'm dowloading xubuntu12.04 [04:38] autif1: thx very much, you are a great help [04:38] all the best. once again gn [04:38] most welcome [06:51] am i missing something in gigolo? how to i mount a remote home directory? [06:51] should i just need to put in sftp://user@host ? [06:52] Oneiric? Install gvfs-backends [06:52] 11.10 [06:52] still need it? [06:53] 11.10 == Oneiric [06:53] ah yes that's oenier [06:53] onieruoiric [06:53] thanks [06:56] can i make the root of the mounted folder /home/user instead of / ? [06:57] You can make an easy symlink, or **maybe** try in the server 10.1.1.53:/home/unit193, but I don't think that'd work. [06:58] yea that didn't work [06:58] i can't make / a symmlink to /home/raevol :/ [06:59] not without a pocket plane or something haha [08:13] it's quiet and refreshing here:D [08:13] !ubottu [08:13] Hi! I'm #xubuntu's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi | Usage info: http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins | Bot channels and general info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots [08:16] !ask [08:16] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [08:17] =) [08:18] !ask | ajin [08:18] ajin, please see my private message [08:19] !messagethebot [08:19] Please investigate with me only with "/msg ubottu Bot" or in #ubuntu-bots. 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[08:22] no answer received [08:22] !wtf [08:22] bot is having its dinner [08:23] he lives in Alaska? [08:23] Marzata: no "f" word, bro [08:23] ajin: only politically correct language, bro? [08:24] you must be European :) [08:24] keeping on guessing [08:25] :-D [08:25] i found the ubottu is kind of fun,when i feel boring\ [08:26] !metaquestion [08:26] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [08:27] there is an offtopic channel if you just want to chat - this channel is for xubuntu support [08:27] ok, sorry [08:28] #xubuntu-offtopic is boring [08:30] unetbootin just freeze when it reachs 5%, anyone know how? [08:34] hello? Could anyone give me a hand? [08:42] ajin: I never used unetbootin but check this link [08:42] !install [08:42] Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall - Don't want to use a CD? See http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate [08:44] azamingly, after a long time of waiting, unetbootin just finiched its task [08:44] thx the same [08:45] k [09:59] morning how do i prevent xubuntu to load the login manager, and stay on terminal [10:01] xsl: sudo update-rc.d lightdm disable [10:38] tyvm [10:41] yw === burn__ is now known as burn [14:12] how to stop server? [14:12] how can i stop xserver.. [14:13] sudo service stop lightdm [14:13] (if you are using lightdm) [14:14] jadoe: i just installed xubuntu? do you think its lightdm? i don't know lol inform me.. [14:15] NyLes_: Xubuntu should use lightdm, yes [14:15] xubuntu is using lightdm [14:15] tsimpson: thanks.. [14:16] tsimpson: what is the default editor? im trying to edit blacklist.conf.. [14:16] nano should be pre-installed (for editing in a terminal) [14:17] not sure what the default GUI text editor is [14:20] tsimpson: thanks.. [14:21] !find leafpad [14:21] Found: leafpad [14:21] !info leafpad [14:21] leafpad (source: leafpad): GTK+ based simple text editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.17-5 (oneiric), package size 101 kB, installed size 824 kB [14:22] can i updgrade xubuntu 10.04 to 11.10 without installing it again? [14:23] NyLes_, yes, but you have to upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10 to 11.04 to 11.0 [14:23] NyLes_, you should wait for 12.04 which is out in april [14:23] bbl -> [14:23] knome: aw.. lol ok thanks.. [14:23] (you can direct upgrade 10.04->12.04) [14:24] tsimpson: default text editor is leafpad [14:25] or on older versions mousepad [14:25] lucky guess [14:25] upgrade is only possible from 10.04 to 12.04 [14:25] sudo service stop lightdm says unrecognized service [14:25] or 10.04 -> 10.10 -> 11.04 -> 11.10 [14:26] 10.04 is gdm [14:26] bazhang: big thanks.. [14:27] indeed [14:27] !info lightdm [14:27] lightdm (source: lightdm): Display Manager. In component main, is optional. Version 1.0.6-0ubuntu1.3 (oneiric), package size 94 kB, installed size 428 kB [14:28] yeah lightdm is since 11.10 [14:29] what's the difference? [14:29] resources and dependencies [14:29] lightdm doesnt require gnome [14:30] is lightdm faster? [14:32] NyLes_: yes, because GDM requires the GNOME session to start, while LightDM does not have any such requirements. [14:33] baizon: i see... do you think xubuntu 11.10 will run fine with my 10 year old pc having 512MB RAM? [14:34] NyLes_: if xubuntu 10.04 runs fine, 12.04 will do it too :) [14:37] Is terminalrc documented anywhere? [14:37] I just want my cursor to blink, I know, I'm a freak... [14:38] gambo: you have a gui for changing the settings of terminal [14:39] TheSheep: unfortunately the blinkocity of the cursor isn't among them [14:41] the most comprehensive documentation I found is here: http://git.xfce.org/apps/terminal/tree/terminal/terminal-preferences.c [14:42] you can also use the settings editor [14:43] I use tilda, it blinks. [14:47] I want my cursor to blink, too. [14:49] Ah, I was having trouble because I was looking at /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/Terminal/terminalrc when I should have been looking at ~/.config/Terminal/terminalrc [14:51] I guess xfce is driven by some "large and in charge" personality who hates blinking cursors? [14:52] hehe === c_smith_ is now known as c_smith [15:33] I want my cursor to blink, too. [16:41] Hi. How do I put a wifi icon on XFCE? [16:42] faryshta: i would just use the network manager.. what do you have in mind? there are lots of ways to get feedback somewhere on the desktop [16:43] holstein, I already have something installed but I don't know what. I think I just deleted the icon. [16:43] holstein, I am connected already but can't see the icon. I am sure its a minor issue. [16:44] faryshta: i would just right click on the panel and add some things til you see it.. you can also create a new user account, and log in there and see what is in the default panel... or load up the live CD that you likely used to install, and learn what you want to add back :) [16:45] holstein, I am watching the 'new items' menu and can't find anything related to wifi. [16:45] i dont have XFCE running right in front of me, and im about to run out... i think its an "indicator"? something like that... [16:46] faryshta: it wont say "wifi"... it'll be indicators for other purposes as well... you wont break anything making a panel and just adding them and seeing what they do [16:46] holstein, let me look. [16:47] Hello, i'm kinda wondering about really good advanced chess programs and programing tools to program a chess bot.. kinda like crafty so to speak... [16:47] holstein, sorry couldn't fin anything remotely related. [16:49] holstein, I ran the command nm-applet and fixed the issue. Thanks. [17:39] Hey, I'm a college student new to programming and such and wanted to get hands on experience and since I use xbuntu would like to contribute somehow to the project. Would anyone be able to tell me how to get started? I'm in my first year of C++ and eager to learn [17:41] Kokopilli: might ask in #xubuntu-devel, but we always need testers :) [17:42] Okay thanks ^_^, And I'd like to try that too, I've never done testing in a formal manner [17:46] Kokopilli: you might try asking Google to be able to be a Tester.. i got the CR-48 laptop by doing so. to help test their chromium OS. never know what's new that they'd like to test. [17:48] Do you need any kind of background to ask? If you needed a portfolio for programming, My portfolio would be empty, That's why I'm trying to get more involved outside of college [17:48] Kokopilli: this is the support channel, you really want #xubuntu-devel [17:49] and no, there is no need for a portfolio, ubuntu developers naturally review each other's work before granting commit access [17:50] Sorry =_=, but no one is answering. I'll just go onto the main site and try piece stuff together there. Thanks. [17:51] I am answering :\ [17:51] Just now =P [17:51] Kokopilli: also... feel free and join #ubuntustudio-devel ...we just switched to XFCE and are looking for help [18:02] Kokopilli: i have no background other than Testing stuff like Gmail.. and some of their other products. [18:04] what was the general chat channel for ubuntu/xubuntu/kubuntu? [18:22] starn: we have a #xubuntu-offtopic (there is also #ubuntu-offtopic) [18:32] I just solved an issue I had with Xubuntu and LibreOffice concerning small fonts used in menus by installing libreoffice-gtk [18:33] I had some difficulty finding the solution and thought I'd post it to the Xubuntu Wiki [18:33] Is there any one from Denmark? [18:34] the problem is I'm now having difficulty finding where best to post it [18:35] IMO the official Xubuntu Wiki is tied too much to the Ubuntu wiki [18:36] Any recommendations for a good Xubuntu specific wiki? [18:37] LoneRanger: I am writing one, will be up for 12.04 ... [18:37] Cool, got an URL yet? [18:38] Wow Marzata!! That's freakin' great!! [18:38] not public yet [18:38] but will be before the LTS is released [18:40] OK, thanks, I'll check back in a month or two [18:55] LoneRanger: you could report a bug about it and reply with your work around [18:55] people will be able to find it that way, the wiki is designed for team notes and work, not actual system documentation or fixes [19:00] http://pad.xfce.org/ ? [19:01] it's a place to start anyway [20:20] installing xubuntu [20:22] Hello. I appear to have a problem with my wirless, and the Ubuntu forums are kinda slow. [20:22] whats the problem? [20:23] Lemmie link you to the ubuntuforum page, ok? [20:23] because there's a lot of info there. [20:23] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11707076 [20:25] Is there a haardware switch on this machine or a keyboard function to enable wireless? [20:26] There is a keyboard function, yes, but pressing it does nothing. I have tried this with both the proprietary driver and the open sourced driver. [20:27] I can try to unscrew the panel to the chipset, and see if I can see anything [20:27] Or try to look in the bios, i have seen options there to control bluetooth and wifi combinations [20:27] I'll try that first, then. [20:28] Embedded Wireless Device Radi is enabled. [20:28] usually the firmware-b43-installer works with your chipset [20:28] radio* [20:28] i was installing xubuntu and while installing i could already use this channel, did not know it was possible. System wants to restart now... [20:29] mongy: Hm. I'll try that next. There doesn't seem to be anything else about wireless except for the already enabled option. [20:30] I may loose connection for a second, as I'm switching from ethernet to wireless to be able to give the laptop in question the cable [20:30] lose* [20:30] both STA and firmware-b43 are described on the wiki as working but if STA does not work then the other usually does. dont forget to remove completely the STA version first. [20:36] Woah [20:36] Ok then. [20:36] Did everyone get what I was saying before it relogged me like that? [20:37] Basicly, I tried everything everyone said, nothing worked. Now I'm gonna toggle the bios switch off and on. [20:40] That didn't work. Would there even be a physical switch on the chipset for me to toggle if I were to remove the panel? [20:43] do you have 2 wifi devices? [20:44] In the laptop? Not to my knowledge. [20:44] It's a stock HP Pavilion dv1000 [20:44] and still saying hard blocked? [20:45] yes. [20:45] hotkeys and switches and buis settings make no chamge? [20:45] change* [20:45] bios** arg [20:46] Been trying them. The "wirless" button on the keyboard is not lighting up, and despite how many times I press it, it does nothing. [20:46] the output of rfkill list that I have on the forum link I linked remains the same [20:50] dont know what else to say then. if enabled in bios and rfkill unblock says still blocked... [20:52] So should I try to remove the bottom panel and see if I can find a physical hardware switch on the chipset? [20:52] when you toggle it on/off are you waiting for something to happen with the driver like "networks available" notification ? if so maybe press once, try rfkill and try again.. and check network manager each time. removing drivers completely and starting again might help. [20:53] mongy: I tried that. Hm. How would I go about safely removing all wireless drivers? I don't wanna mess anything up, you know? [20:55] that post telling you to wget a firmware was not needed... should have used apt packages, they exist and work with your chipset. [20:55] I see. [20:56] sudo apt-get autoremove --purge bcmwl-kernel-source [20:56] sudo apt-get autoremove --purge firmware-b43* [20:56] remove whatever you put i n/lib/firmware [20:57] sudo apt-get autoremove --purge [20:57] sudo modprobe -r wl b43 [20:57] reboot [21:00] ...I'm going to have to remove 32 files manually. Lovely. [21:00] hmm. do you still have the xubuntu cd/usb ? [21:00] mongy: Yes, I do. Do you think I should just re install it? [21:00] you know you can install the driver before anything else. [21:00] tick both boxes when asked [21:00] I didn't know that actually [21:00] updates/3rd party software [21:01] OH that [21:01] yea. [21:02] do that, it will hang for a bit, then you should see notification of networks. look at network manager to see if its enabled it. if not, well something wrong [21:02] you dont have to go any further, just quit the install, nothing has changed. [21:03] I see [21:03] its something to try. a fresh environment. [21:03] yea. [21:07] So I hit the install? Or do I do a speical thingie? [21:09] ? [21:09] just choose install on boot [21:09] righto [21:10] if after ticking both options it goes to next screen and there is nothing in network manager then just quit. [21:12] Install this third-party software then, next? [21:13] yes [21:13] it will seem to hang for a bit. [21:13] next screen comes up and by then it should have loaded the driver. [21:15] It just comes up with the options to either install alongside, upgrade, or erase (or something else) [21:16] what should I do? === recon69_lap is now known as recon_lap [21:20] mongy: Are you still there? [21:20] dont got any further. look at network manager [21:21] So, reboot into my already installed os? [21:22] no, check while there..now [21:23] Howdy. Found an issue where only some of the cursor theme works. I've set whiteglass from settings manager; the text insert cursor appears, the fingerpointen cursor appears, but the arrowpointen cursor is still the default. Any ideas? [21:24] beata: try reloading the DE. Like a quick log in and out should do it. Or did you already try that? [21:24] I just did the logout/login thing. [21:24] mongy: Was that sarcasm? Because if so that is actually possible to do. [21:25] during install you can install the driver (2 ticks) and then connect to your wifi with network manager at top..as usualy [21:26] mongy: Yea. Tried that, it says that the proprietary wirless driver is in use, and when the proprietary dirver is in use, then there isn't even the option to connect wirelessly. [21:27] ok try this. [21:27] reboot into live [21:28] as in the live disk? or the installed OS? [21:28] do a sudo apt-get update and install firmware-b43-installer [21:28] live mode [21:28] not installed [21:28] ok. Currently in it. [21:28] or do you want me to reboot into it without anything loaded? [21:29] reboot [21:34] says the same thing when I have it normally. It says the wireless is disabled by hardware switch. [21:36] tried the switches? [21:38] Sorry about that [21:38] Back now. [21:39] It says the same things, that wireless is disabled by a hardware switch. [21:42] aargh, daily ffmpeg compile, Y U NO DEVEDE [21:42] ok, well, im stumped [21:44] mongy: Well that's disconcernting, there's not really anywhere else to go. [21:47] I know :( [21:48] I suppose I can wait for others. [21:48] You sure got me a lot farther than the forums did. [21:50] looked at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx ? [21:51] I'll check that out [21:51] The only thing that comes to my mind, is if it's one of those builtin wifi like those old Centrinos? [21:51] Well, it is 8 year old hardware. [21:52] Is your wifi builtin? [21:53] mine is bcm4312(lpphy) and needs the STA and works great. laptop. [21:54] What is a STA? [21:55] proprietary driver from broadcom [21:55] I also have a spare usb stick, cost me like £4 [21:56] plugs in and goes. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Technologies-802-11N-150Mbps-Wireless-Compatible/dp/B0035FVL4G/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1317666395&sr=8-2 [21:56] Weird, it says the STA should work for the BCM4311 [21:56] Candlehawk, yes. and the firmware-b43 [21:56] why I said if STA dont work, the other usually would. [21:57] Argh, yes. Sadly, mine own is a bit too old to have much built-in. But as if to compensate, it has quite a lot built-out. [21:58] Candlehawk: found this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/701259 [21:58] Launchpad bug 701259 in linux (Ubuntu) "dell-laptop module hard blocks wifi on Dell Vostro 1520" [Medium,Triaged] [22:00] recon_lap: I'm sorry, I haven't really ever used this site, it's a bit unintuitive what to do. [22:01] Candlehawk: it the bug tracking site for ubuntu, sound like you got a similar bug [22:02] Candlehawk: read the bug report, see if it matches you problem, if so add you info to the report [22:02] you/your [22:03] ah. Well, it seems to be from another model of everything. [22:04] Candlehawk: does not mean it's not the same bug, like it the problem is a conflict on the wifi card , you wifi card could share the same hardware even if it's a different model [22:07] Candlehawk: what make model laptop, and did it work before with another version of ubuntu [22:08] it's an HP pavilion dv1000. This is it's first time with an ubuntu install on it. [22:09] Candlehawk, do you have windows on it? [22:09] I've heard of a hotkey to disable it in windows causing problems in ubuntu.. don't ask me how. [22:10] Did. it's my sisters. She kept getting viruses on it, and having me fix it, so I told her either I'm putting a distro of linux on it or I'm not fixing it anymore. [22:11] It broke in the previous virus. [22:11] Like, would not boot. [22:11] would it be too much bother to install windows again and see it working [22:11] just trying to rule things out [22:12] Don't have the install disk. I suppose I could do um, "something" and come back to you with the results. but yes, it would be a touch tough. Wifi did work on it before the OS went kerputs, however. [22:14] Candlehawk: can you update on the laptop? using wired connection? [22:15] Just did an update/upgrade. nothing new. [22:15] from when I last updated* [22:16] have you enabled the restricted and multiverse software sources [22:16] I...no. How do I do that? [22:17] Candlehawk: have a look in software manager, I'm not sure what version you running [22:18] Xubuntu 11.10 [22:19] Candlehawk: I'm still at 10.04, but have a look anyway in software manager under setting -> repositories [22:19] also run lshw -c network and paste the output [22:20] They apparently changed it. There is no setting option. [22:20] into a pastebin not in chat [22:21] anyone? checking what repo's are available in 11.10? [22:22] paste.ubuntu.com/853309 [22:23] Candlehawk: http://linux.about.com/od/xubuntu_doc/a/xubudg13t05.htm [22:24] There is no "software properies" under system. [22:26] aggh, why do people think it's a good idea to keep moving things around , you sure you in the right menu? [22:27] yes. Hell, there is not even a true "applications" it's just the menu -> System -> Cluster of stuff. [22:28] aha. Software Sources is under "Settings" [22:28] mmm, im having a weird flash video problem on youtube, if i try to jump on the seek bar to a different point on a video the image gets stuck, i still hear the video on other scene, but the image gets on still [22:28] :/ [22:28] says here I have proprietary drivers and multiverse selected already. [22:34] Candlehawk: go to System > Hardware Drivers and see if you get a message [22:36] I don't have that under system, nore is it under settings. [22:36] Closest thing I have is additional drivers. [22:38] Candlehawk: click on the additonal drives and check that they are activated [22:39] yes [22:39] Candlehawk: have you restarted since you made your last changes? [22:41] GridCube: can only suggest you install the 'sudo apt-get -install flashnonfree-plugin' dont know if it will help though [22:41] ChanServ: and i mean a full reboot [22:42] flash is working [22:42] :/ [22:42] its just the seek function on youtub that fails [22:42] recon_lap: Yes. I did a full reboot. [22:43] still not working. [22:43] Hold on. It's not showing up. Maight I need to start it in ifconfig? I don't remember the syntax for that, however. [22:44] Candlehawk: Do a power cycle, networking can be totally flaky on 64bit machines [22:45] I do not believe it's 64 bit. I think it's 32 bit. [22:45] I installed it with an i386 install disk, and it's 8 years old. [22:46] Candlehawk: ok, was a setting on the wifi card was 64bit, I made an assumption. go back into hardware manager and disable the properity driver and try again, after that i'm out of ideas [22:47] Candlehawk, still hard blocked I guess? [22:47] wait, is there a way to start it if it exists with ifconfig? [22:47] next stop, ebay for a £4 150mbps stick :) === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [22:49] How do I cd onto another hard drive? [22:49] but...gah. It shouldn't need this. [22:49] normally doesnt. [22:54] Mightn't it be possible that I just need to start the device in ifconfig? What would the device be called? [22:54] Candlehawk: i agree :) you could try 'sudo ifconfig wlan0 down' and 'sudo ifconfig wlan0 up' [22:54] Candlehawk: but i'v got a bug on 64bit that requires a hard reboot. [22:55] no such device. Is there any way to list the possible names of it? [22:56] Candlehawk: nope, it's not even getting to ifconfig [22:56] Candlehawk: lshw -c network [22:57] Candlehawk: think the next step down in the init.d stuff, which I know little of [22:58] I believe I already did the output for that paste.ubuntu.com/853309 [22:58] Candlehawk: yep, but you asked for a command to show network devices with logical names [22:58] oh [22:58] or should that be interface names [23:00] hm. What does it mean by network unclaimed? [23:01] Candlehawk: /etc/init.d/networking stop && etc/init.d/networking start might do it === jeff_ is now known as Guest16242 [23:04] paste.ubuntu.com/853361 is the result of that. But it did not work as far as I can tell. [23:05] Candlehawk: did you put the commands in separately? [23:06] I did it exactly as stated, was I not soposed to do that? [23:07] Candlehawk: not sure, dont know if && is valid to separate 2 command. [23:08] it still did the whole rejecting thing. [23:08] nothing changed. [23:12] Candlehawk: I'v no idea :) [23:13] yea. Thinking that dongle is a better idea right now. The card may have broke now that I think about it. It was really faulty and not working a lot when it was on windows. The chip may have finally broken in those 8 years of her spilling MILK and dropping it. [23:13] because it is not responding at all. [23:14] thank you, gentelmen, for trying to fix a probably physicaly broken card. I'm sorry. [23:14] ;) [23:15] be nice to know if a windows install makes it work [23:15] well, if you think it's faulty, dig it out and give it a clean.. [23:16] a little air compressor won't hurt [23:21] mongy: No, when it was on windows it was constantly going on and off and stopping to work randomly etc. etc. was only getting worse and worse. It was breaking. I just didn't see that without this context. I'll try to clean it, but it may be even beyond a clean. [23:22] ah [23:23] With all the times my sister has dropped it, hit it, spilled liquids on it, got chocolate stuck in it's vents, I don't think it is in the realm of "just clean it" but I shall try. [23:23] We've had this thing for 8 years, and she's 10. It's a miracle it works at all. [23:26] ...the RAM smells of old milk. [23:28] Alluva sudden Gimp segfaults and crashes when I close the layers window. Was something updated last couple days? [23:28] not unless you updated it. [23:28] not here. [23:29] Run a general update about daily. [23:29] Also won't retain a selection when move to another tool. [23:29] Ah. I see. Uh. I don't know of any update to gimp, but then again I don't image edit much. I suppose I could try and check [23:29] purge and reinstall it [23:30] maybe remove your .gimp as well [23:30] mongy tried that, but didn't remove the .gimp folder. [23:31]