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Cas-the distribute log for oneiric is a mess01:50
Cas-can i propose that oneiric simples get the same version as in precise?01:50
micahgCas-: what do you mean the log is a mesS?01:56
Cas-i mean that the version 0.16.6 is just patched and patched instead of just pulling release versions01:57
micahgwe don't update release version in stable releases unless they are totally broke beyond fixing01:58
micahgbackports are possible for some applications01:58
Cas-we i think this is one of them01:58
micahgCas-: is there something wrong with the version in precise?01:58
micahgbug #?01:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 938786 in distribute (Ubuntu) "Import issue with namespace packages in pkg_resources" [High,New]02:00
Cas-basically a fix from 0.16.7 was applied to 0.16.6 that was actually broken and then fixed in 0.16.802:01
micahgCas-: as soon as the current package in -proposed migrates to -updates, we can upload this fix02:01
Cas-the list of changes for distribute is very small http://pypi.python.org/pypi/distribute#changes so thats why i suggested oneiric should match  precise version of 0.6.2402:03
micahgyeah, we generally don't do that, are there other specific fixes needed for oneiric besides this one?02:04
Cas-not that i have specifically encoutered02:04
micahgok, so let's just do one more SRU then, I"ll give you a bug task, but I'm not comfortable uploading the change, I'd prefer someone with a python background review it, do you want to prepare a debdiff? (it can be sponsored on your behalf then and go straight in the sponsorship queue)02:06
Cas-the only change that matters is the tab indent in pkg_resources.py02:07
Cas-i dont have a setup for debdiff02:08
micahgbzr branch works also02:09
Cas-well it's late here i'll need to sort it 2mw02:14
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pittiGood morning05:10
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pittiis LP being upgraded or so? it's horribly unstable ATM06:36
lifelesspitti: we're looking at it06:38
lifelesspitti: no, its not mid-deploy (and that doesn't cause instability anyhow); we're seeing broken connections to the db master and currently divide-and-conquering the path06:38
pittilifeless: ah, thanks06:38
lifelesswe've just tried something; tell us if its better worse ?06:39
pittiI did three changes now, they all succeeded06:46
pittibefore I needed to try each bug state change some 5 times06:46
pittibzr commit worked as well06:49
pittiev: FYI, I fixed the ui.py test failures in apport trunk now06:57
pitticjwatson, slangasek, StevenK: it seems /srv/launchpad.net/ubuntu-archive/ubuntu-germinate/ does not get updated any more; any hint how I could debug this? is that being called by soyuz or by some cronjob which I fail to see?07:09
slangasekpitti: hmm, I suppose this would be related to cjwatson's changes this cycle to speed up publishing, but I'm afraid I don't know the details07:10
pittiit just stopped two days ago07:11
StevenKThat's what I was thinking.07:11
pittithree now07:11
slangasekso it's still supposed to be done as part of the publisher run07:11
pittiand I figure that's rather bad, as I assume live CD builds etc. depend on this?07:11
slangasekbut there's been some restructuring07:11
pitti(not to mention breakign http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt etc.)07:11
slangasekwell, that output impacts the task fields in the archive07:12
pittiright, so our recent seed changes will probably not take effect07:12
* slangasek nods07:13
slangasekinfinity: hmm, wubi livefs build failure, "mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext4'" - is that related to the changes I saw you making?07:17
* ogra_ wonders where infinity's live-build upload went 07:33
Adri2000I'm not sure if it's useful to say this, or if it's done regularly anyway: libhighgui2.1 and libcv2.1 binary packages are NBS and can now be removed07:56
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pittiAdri2000: I did so an hour ago or so08:08
pittiafter sitplus finally built on powerpc08:08
pittiAdri2000: I'm watching this regularly, yes08:08
dholbachgood morning08:13
diwicgood morning dholbach08:14
dholbachhey diwic08:14
Adri2000pitti: cool. btw, I can't find anymore the list of removed packages (no removals.txt at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/), where is it?08:17
pittiAdri2000: I don't know whether there is a replacement08:17
Adri2000it was useful in some cases :)08:19
geserAdri2000: do you need a list of removed packages or the reason (and date) when a package got removed? the later can be found in LP08:23
Adri2000geser: even binary package removals can be found in LP? how?08:24
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geserAdri2000: sure, e.g. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/amd64/libcv2.1 should mention it once it's removed (don't have a better example right now)08:30
Adri2000ok, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/amd64/libcv2.1 mentions it so it's good :)08:31
geserah right, forgot to replace the release in the url08:32
pittialso, e. g. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libaws/+changelog08:40
pittior https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libaws/+publishinghistory (with more data)08:41
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tkamppeterAnyone taking care of bug 911436? It leads to crashes of the CUPS daemon, especially when the CUPS package gets updated and therefore the daemon restarted.09:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 911436 in p11-kit (Ubuntu) "https crashed with SIGSEGV in lookup_or_create_bucket()" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91143609:22
tkamppeterslangasek, you have set bug 911436 to "Triaged" a while ago, are you working on solving it?09:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 911436 in p11-kit (Ubuntu) "https crashed with SIGSEGV in lookup_or_create_bucket()" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91143609:26
evpitti: cheers!09:29
pittilamont, infinity: temporarily stealing some buildds for i386 for the langpack upload, as it's all quiet otherwise09:29
pitti(just FYI)09:29
pittiev: so AFAICS from yesterday's discussion we still need a way to disable apport's LP bug filing, but not whoopsie submission post-release, right?09:30
chrysnhow can i, in build conflicts, conflict against a specific range of versions?09:31
chrysn(in particular, libglew released packages using 1.5.2 code as "1.5.7.is.1.5.2", which makes it kind of tricky to depend on what you'd normally call libglew1.5-dev (>= 1.5.4) )09:31
tjaaltonI need a quick FFe for wayland, which now has a real upstream release instead of the git snapshots we've had before. it's also a build-dependency of the new mesa bugfix release I'm preparing09:44
tjaaltonnothing else depends on it, so risk of regression is negligible09:45
pittitjaalton: eek, that would mean wayland needs to go into main?09:46
tjaaltonit is already09:46
tjaaltonok sorry, I'll rephrase09:46
pittieek :)09:46
tjaaltonthe new mesa build-depends on this release :)09:46
pittitjaalton: so, otherwise this sounds fine09:46
tjaaltonit has that build-depend already09:46
tjaalton*has had09:46
tjaaltonso the bugfix mesa release needs this new wayland to build libwayland-egl09:48
tjaaltonmesa will fix a bunch of crashers, at least bug 92637909:48
ubottuLaunchpad bug 926379 in mesa (Ubuntu) "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in intel_miptree_release() (Needs mesa-8.0.1)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92637909:48
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tjaaltonpitti: so I take it that it's ok to update wayland too?10:04
pittitjaalton: yes, fine for me10:04
pittitjaalton: you might want to coordinate with bryce, he did the wayland updates before10:04
tjaaltonthese are maintained in pkg-xorg git, so yeah he should know what's happening :)10:05
tjaaltonSarvatt did the previous upload10:06
tjaaltonpitti: there's also the default wayland compositor, weston, that could be synced from experimental (NEW)?10:09
pittitjaalton: no idea about that; that seems less urgent and more invasive, and should probably get an FFE bug10:09
tjaaltonyes less urgent10:10
tjaaltonI'll leave it for now10:10
infinityslangasek: Potentially.  I'll look at it in the morning.10:15
brycehpitti, yes the merge is fine by me; I have no plans to look at or work on wayland this cycle10:19
brycehpitti, also since no one really uses the compositor I don't really see any harm in letting that be sync'd in.  It's really only existing for testing purposes, for people who want to observe compositors crashing a lot.10:20
dholbachwhat is whoopsie and why does it use 89% of 8G of RAM? :)10:26
pittiev: ^10:26
pittidholbach: ev's new crash reporting daemon10:26
pittithe joys of C programs?10:27
evI did run it through memcheck10:27
evdholbach: do you have any .upload files in /var/crash?10:27
dholbach28294 whoopsie  20   0 37.0g 7.0g 1116 S    0 90.4   0:33.84 whoopsie10:28
dholbachev, no, just a bunch of .crash files10:28
evdid you elect to report any crashes using the new apport UI?10:29
evdholbach: could you pastebin a ls -la of /var/crash10:30
evcurious to know if there's anything particularly large in there10:31
dholbachev, http://paste.ubuntu.com/853789/10:31
dholbachev, maybe it's struggling with the one owned by daniel.daniel?10:31
evdholbach: well, it's not supposed to touch anything at all if there isn't a matching .upload file for it10:32
evdholbach: could you possibly do sudo stop whoopsie; CRASH_DB_URL=http://localhost /usr/bin/whoopsie -f > whoopsie.log 2&>1 for a bit10:33
evand see if it starts growing out of control10:33
evmuch appreciated10:33
* ev goes memleak hunting10:33
dholbachaniel@daydream:~$ sudo stop whoopsie; CRASH_DB_URL=http://localhost /usr/bin/whoopsie -f > whoopsie.log 2&>110:34
dholbachwhoopsie stop/waiting10:34
dholbachTrace/Breakpoint ausgelöst (Speicherabzug geschrieben)10:34
dholbachhum, let me try to find a translation for this :)10:35
dholbachin any case it crashed10:35
dholbachwhoopsie crashed with signal 5 in __libc_start_main()10:35
dholbach"Trace / breakpoint is triggered (dump written)"10:36
evdholbach: if you would be so kind, CRASH_DB_URL=http://localhost gdb --args /usr/bin/whoopsie -f10:37
evr then bt10:37
dholbachI guess I will need some debug symbols - right now it's useless10:37
evdholbach: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/whoopsie-daisy/+bug/939392 for the memleak bug10:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 939392 in whoopsie-daisy (Ubuntu) "Large memleak in whoopsie" [Undecided,New]10:40
dholbachev, http://paste.ubuntu.com/853800/10:40
evah, whoops10:41
evI'll fix that, but...10:41
evsudo CRASH_DB_URL=http://localhost /usr/bin/whoopsie -f >whoopsie.log 2&>110:41
pittihttp://daisy.ubuntu.com/ doesn't seem to exist/10:42
evpitti: not yet - IS is working on that10:42
dholbachev, I'll let you know if anything interesting turns up10:43
evdholbach: cheers, and sorry about this10:43
dholbachno, no - it's fine10:43
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jmlsomething has happened such that my local apt is broken and I can no longer upgrade11:06
pittijml: did you try sudo apt-get -f install?11:06
pitti(withouth the '?')11:06
jmlpitti: hah. of course. :)11:06
pittijml: what does it say?11:06
jmlpitti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/853832/11:07
jmlE: Internal Error, No file name for libc611:07
pittiand mvo is on holiday11:07
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pittijml: perhaps try this:11:08
pittisudo rm /var/lib//apt/lists/* /var/cache/apt/*cache*11:08
pittisudo apt-get update11:08
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pittisudo apt-get -f install11:08
jmlpitti: ok. will try that11:09
pittijml: perhaps save the caches before, for later investigation11:09
jmloops :)11:09
jmlpitti: /var/lib/apt/lists/partial still exists. Should I remove that?11:10
pittijml: keep the dir11:10
pittiyou can remove the files in it11:10
pittijml: by gut feeling is that the caches were broken, the apt lists are usually okay11:10
pittimodulo memory/fs corruption of course11:11
jmlpitti: still get the same error on apt-get -f install11:12
pittijml: can you please show me "apt-cache policy libc6"?11:13
jmlpitti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/853840/11:14
pittithat looks fine11:15
pittijml: does "sudo apt-get install --reinstall libc6" work?11:15
pittii. e. does it know about the package name ther?11:15
* jml tries11:16
pittijml: oh, wait11:16
pittijml: perhaps it thought it already downloaded the libc6 .deb, but didn't11:16
pittijml: rm /var/cache/apt/archives/* might helP?11:16
gesergoogling suggests that it might be related to /var/lib/dpkg/status11:17
pittiI don't know how to regenerate status, though11:18
geserthere should be a backup file11:19
gesersee bug #859188 for a similar problem11:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 859188 in apt (Ubuntu) "can't apt-get install --reinstall when foreign-arch version is present (E: Internal Error, No file name for libgl1-mesa-glx)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85918811:20
jmlgeser: 'status-old' is identical to 'status', fwiw.11:20
gesertry "apt-get install --reinstall libc6:i386 libc6:amd64"11:21
jmlgeser: $ sudo apt-get install -y --reinstall libc6:i386 libc6:amd6411:22
jmlReading package lists... Done11:22
jmlBuilding dependency tree11:22
jmlReading state information... Done11:22
jmlYou might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these:11:22
jmlThe following packages have unmet dependencies.11:22
jml libc-dev-bin : Depends: libc6 (< 2.14) but 2.15-0ubuntu2 is to be installed11:22
jml libc6 : Depends: libc-bin (= 2.15-0ubuntu2)11:22
jml libc6:i386 : Depends: libc-bin:i386 (= 2.15-0ubuntu2)11:22
jml libc6-dev : Depends: libc6 (= 2.13-24ubuntu4) but 2.15-0ubuntu2 is to be installed11:22
jml libnih1 : Depends: libc6 (< 2.15) but 2.15-0ubuntu2 is to be installed11:22
jmlE: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).11:22
jmlI honestly hit C-c on the URL in the browser11:22
geserthere are some more backups in /var/backups/dpkg.status.*11:22
jml(I could swear that something about recent Ubuntus introduces a lag on keyboard input when switching windows/desktops)11:23
jmlwell, here's the diff between current status and the first one that has a difference: http://paste.ubuntu.com/853852/11:25
geseris this an upgrade precise -> precise?11:25
pittijml: that libnih1 is old11:25
geserI'm wondering why it doesn't want to upgrade the other packages11:25
pittiespecially since he already  has libc6 2.1511:26
jmlgeser: yes, it is.11:26
pittijml: apt-cache policy libnih1?11:26
geserdoes it upgrade libc6 if you leave out the --reinstall?11:28
pittijml: sudo apt-get install --reinstall libc6 libnih1 libc-dev-bin libc6:i38611:28
geserand try adding libc-dev-bin libc6-dev libnih1 to the list of packages to install11:29
* pitti ^5s geser11:29
jmlpitti: the --reinstall command just errors out with unmet dependencies...11:32
pittijml: you can try adding all the unmet ones until it works11:33
geseror you get a meaningfull error11:33
diwicjml, I had that problem when upgrading precise a while ago and found in some bug (don't remember number) that "sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libc...." was the right way to resolve the problme11:34
diwicafter that you can continue with "-f install" and the "dist-upgrade"11:34
jmlafter I add packages, I get the original libc6 error again :\11:34
geserbah :(11:35
jmldiwic: oddly, I don't have a libc6 deb in my apt/archives folder11:35
diwicbad luck11:35
geserapt-get download libc611:36
pitti... and sudo dpkg -i libc6_*.deb11:36
pitti(it'll land in the current folder, not the apt cache)11:36
geseras this seems to be a multi-arch issue (as mentioned in that bug) perhaps slangasek knows how to get out of it (he commented on that bug)11:37
jmlso the libc6 install failed because libc-bin wasn't at the right version, but I installed (dpkg -i) libc-bin from apt/archives and then tried installing the downloaded libc6. That seemed to work, and apt-get -f install seemed to finish successfully11:40
jml(although weirdly, the config system used readline rather than the pretty aubergine TUI)11:40
hrwwho maintains ubuntu-seeds?11:40
pittijml: great!11:41
pittihrw: the "owners" of the respective derivatives, e. g. ~ubuntu-core-dev, ~xubuntu-dev, and so on11:41
jmland apt-get dist-upgrade is downloading a lot of stuff now :)11:41
hrwpitti: thx11:41
jmlpitti, geser, diwic: thanks so much!11:41
diwicjml, np - but it has happened on two machines here so I assumed it was generic enough that someone would actually fix it, but we'll see...11:42
pittidiwic, TheMuso: WDYT about bug 930703 ?11:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 930703 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "wishlist: demote pulseaudio-esound-compat to Suggests" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93070311:44
pittiI think it's about time11:44
diwicpitti, I don't know of any application using the esound interface; that said, I tend to err on the side of caution at this part of the cycle11:46
diwicpitti, but I guess such applications would then bring this in through some kind of dependency, huh?11:47
pittidiwic: I think we should promote libesd0's Suggests: pulseaudio-esound-compat to Recommends:11:48
pittithen everythign which still actually needs esound will still get it11:49
pittibut we avoid installing it by default11:49
pittinot that it takes much space or so, but it offers a wildly obsolete API11:49
diwicpitti, that sounds okay to me11:50
Q-FUNKjibel: pitti suggested that I talk to you about adding a check for $(dpkg-query -W -f='${Conffiles}\n' | grep obsolete | awk {'print $1'}) to https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Precise/11:54
pittijibel: hm, that's perhaps something which could be added to ./AutoUpgradeTester/post_upgrade_tests/test_lts_upgrade_system.py ?11:55
pittijibel: OOI, for changes to these scripts, is it enough to commit, or does it need an upload?11:56
pittijibel: IOW, are you running from bzr or from the pacakge?11:56
Q-FUNKjibel: for reference, you can check how I use that stanza in src: upgrade-system11:56
pittiev: before you continue to hack on apport, please pull trunk into your branch (your branch is merged)12:01
evwill do12:01
pittiev: I made quite intrusive structural changes to the tests12:01
evcool, will have a look12:01
pittiev: the tests are now all in test/ and all look alike12:01
pittiev: this also makes it possible to run them against the installed system libs, too12:01
pittihm, thehre are now 4889 LOC in apport/ and 8462 LOC in test/12:02
tkamppeterpitti, hi12:03
pittihey tkamppeter12:03
apwpitti, heard of apport exploding when trying to submit bugs?  crashing python in fact:12:03
apw*** glibc detected *** /usr/bin/python: double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x000000000378bf60 ***12:03
pittiapw: not on my radar; sounds like a bad transfer annotation somewhere in GTK12:04
pittiapw: are you able to reproduce this?12:04
apwpitti, i tried to submit an xorg bug, and its failed twice, not sure its identicle symptoms tho12:04
pittiapw: ah, not a crash, just "apport-bug xorg"?12:05
pittiwhat did you click?12:05
apwpitti, ok so ubuntu-bug xorg, clicked the first two entries in the first dialog, the last one in the second, then hit 'Send' without changing anything in the third12:05
apwlast two are identicle heap corription thingies12:06
tkamppeterpitti, I got the Ubuntu-branded test page today. I will put it into the cups-filters package. I will put it into debian/local/ (where the apport hook is) and replace the upstream page by this one in the case that the package is built for Ubuntu. Is this OK?12:06
pittiapw: second question is about lightdm log files; yes or no?12:06
apwpitti, sorry i also said yes to that one12:07
pittitkamppeter: sure; could you do this in debian/rules with if dpkg-vendor --is ubuntu; then ... ?12:07
pittitkamppeter: then we can keep it in sync with Debian12:07
apwso i was saying its 'reproducible' and 'happened more than once'; they could have my logs; and i would 'do anything' to get it fixed12:07
pittiapw: meh, works fine here12:08
* apw ubuntu-bug ubuntu-bug's to see what happens12:09
apwok that seems to work ... so i can file a bug about not being able to file a bug12:09
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pittiapw: the .crash report might be more useful, though12:10
pittifull GTK stack trace and such12:10
apwso will there be a crash report for the apport crash?12:10
apwi'd assume it suppressed there to prevent circles12:11
pittino, it shouldn't12:11
pittiapport has plenty of crash reprots12:12
pittimost of which are not very useful of course, but still, they are there12:12
apwhmmm, so i ran it three times, and got 3 aborts on my terminal, but only one maybe in /var/crash, does it do local dup detection ?12:13
pittiapw: the file name is by program name and user id, so yes12:13
evdidrocks: are you planning on uploading activity-log-manager 0.9.2 today? I only mention it because it should Breaks and Replaces on whoopsie < 0.1.10, as its taking ownership of the GNOME Control Center stuff.12:13
apwpitti, ok so i have a crash here, so how do i tickly apport to make a bug out of it12:14
pittiapw: usually it pops up by itself, but you can apport-bug /var/crash/*apport*.crash12:14
apwev, would i expect all my reports in /var/crash to be readable by woopsie?12:15
apwpitti, seems i have like 10 in there, and i can't be bothered to handle them all right now12:15
pittiapw: just the _usr_share_apport_apport-gtk.crash one12:15
didrocksev: yeah, it's on my schedule :)12:16
apwpitti, i ran the command you suggested, and have a dialog saying, "The application Report a problem ... has closed unexpectly."  and saying 'leave closed' and 'relaunch'12:16
tkamppeterpitti, how do I add the new test page to the package? If I put it into debian/local/ I get12:16
didrocksev: thanks for the update! Will add the Breaks:/Replaces:12:16
tkamppeterdpkg-source: info: using source format `3.0 (quilt)'12:16
tkamppeterdpkg-source: error: unwanted binary file: debian/local/default-testpage.pdf12:16
tkamppeterdpkg-source: error: detected 1 unwanted binary file (add it in debian/source/include-binaries to allow its inclusion).12:16
pittitkamppeter: well, it pretty much says what it wants :)12:16
didrocksev: no need for a FFe? the whoopsie part was already in precise?12:17
tkamppeterpitti, now I see.12:17
evdidrocks: correct; the whoopsie part was already in precise and cjwatson said this would be a UIFe12:17
evapw: yes, should be12:18
didrocksev: ok, and we will even upload before UIF, so all good! thanks :)12:18
evI'll sort an upload of whoopsie without the control center stuff now12:18
apwev, ok something isn't hnouring that, as most are, but i suspect one which was triggered by me running ubuntu-bug is not12:18
evapw: is it 0600? or not group owned by whoopsie?12:19
apwev, just got an error trying to submit a bug 'cannont connect to crash database'12:19
apwev, its apw:apw 66012:20
apw-rw-r----- 1 apw apw      32993298 Feb 23 11:58 _usr_share_apport_apport-gtk.1000.crash12:20
evhuh? /var/crash should be g+s12:20
evI take it that it's not?12:21
tkamppeterpitti, is debian/source/include-binaries a directory for the binaries or a list of the binaries?12:21
apwdrwxrwsrwt 2 root whoopsie 4096 Feb 23 12:17 /var/crash12:21
pittitkamppeter: I think a file12:21
apwev, yes it is12:21
tkamppeterpitti, it is working now, it is indeed a file listing the exceptions.12:25
evapw: I'm baffled as to how that happened then12:25
apwev, its only the default ownership, so i guess somethign must have changed it, in apport12:26
evoh, I didn't realize you could ignore it12:27
* ev digs12:27
apwyou can chgrp anything in there you own12:27
apwso i could go and do it myself, as they are my files12:27
apwpitti, ok finally got it filed: bug #93946612:30
ubottuError: Launchpad bug 939466 could not be found12:31
pittiapw: thanks; need to wait on retracer12:35
tkamppeterpitti, I have pushed a new version of cups-filters. Can you upload it to Debian and Ubuntu, it contains the new test page and therefore needs to get uploaded before UI Freeze today.12:41
tkamppeterpitti, and when you are at it, can you also upl;oad CUPS to Debian and Ubuntu? I have fixed auto-config for PS printers in it.12:42
Q-FUNKev: whoopsie seems to be missing the package description.12:49
evQ-FUNK: fixing12:52
Q-FUNKev: or well, it has the short description, but the long one doesn't appear.12:54
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tkamppeterslangasek, hi13:00
dholbachev, nothing interesting in ~/whoopsie.log, but in ~/1 there's http://paste.ubuntu.com/853954/ -- whoopsie doesn't seem to be leaking right now13:08
Riddellcjwatson, mdz: message in ubuntu-devel-announce for review/approval13:09
evdholbach: I think I may have found part of the problem. If it fails to parse a report it will keep trying every time it processes the report queue (every hour or so)13:09
evI've fixed that in trunk and will push an upload shortly13:09
dholbachthanks for your work on this ev13:10
evthanks for your help in debugging it13:10
dholbachI just tried not to stand in the way too much ;-)13:10
evdholbach: I don't suppose I could convince you to tar up /var/crash and send that my way? I'd be interested to know why it's failing to parse one of those reports, if that's the case.13:10
dholbachev, I'll first need to find out how to do it in a way where the other coworking space people don't kill me :)13:14
evdholbach: sure :) whenever you can. Doesn't need to be right now13:15
dholbachev, ok, I'm uploading it using trickle right now - I'll be walking the dog now and let you know where you can find it later on13:19
evdholbach: cheers!13:21
pittitkamppeter: yes, can do13:29
kklimondahmm, any idea why is cdrom-detect/try-usb=true added to the kernel cmdline when usb disk is being generated using usb-creator-gtk?13:30
mterryev, new apport looks nice.  I'd include mpt too, but he's not here13:30
kklimondaor rather what is checking for this option?13:30
evmterry: cheers!13:30
jincreatorpitti: Hi. As result of fontconfig package now have information about fonts-nanum, I think bug #835304 is not invalid now. What do you think about it?13:30
ubottuLaunchpad bug 835304 in ttf-nanum (Debian) "contained fontconfig setting files force to make it default font" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83530413:30
pittiev: mterry | pitti, did you do the revamp of the apport dialog?  Looks nice13:31
pittiev: FYI :)13:31
xinyijoin #ubuntu13:32
pittiev: btw, I now put Package:, ExecutablePath: and Stacktrace: on the top of the details list, so that it's easier to see the affected package13:33
pittiev: having "ApportVersion" at the top is not exactly the most interesting thing :)13:33
evpitti: brilliant!13:34
pittiit's not enough yet to alleviate bug 938707 , but an improvement at least13:34
ubottuLaunchpad bug 938707 in apport (Ubuntu) "Hard to see which program crashed for "Internal error" reports" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93870713:34
Riddellev: ping "Notify Evan Dandrea to remove the disclaimer from Ubiquity's first page "13:38
evRiddell: on it13:39
Riddellelmo: ping "Notify James Troup to remind mirrors to check free disk space "13:39
pittitjaalton: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/7.11-0ubuntu3.113:41
pittitjaalton: any idea where the armhf build went to?13:41
jibelpitti, Q-FUNK auto-upgrade testing is running from bzr so a commit is enough or file a bug against u-m, attach the unittest script you want to run and assign it to me.13:42
pittitjaalton: argh, unping; picked the wrong one13:42
Q-FUNKjibel: I have no idea of how to implement the scripts or where they would go.13:43
Q-FUNKjibel: I was simply asking pitti if LP has any tags for reporting packages that leave obsolete configs in place after an upgrade (as detected using the snippet above).13:44
Q-FUNKjibel: he recommended talking to you because it could be a good idea to automate such checks.13:44
jibelQ-FUNK, and he is right, it's a good idea to automate such checks :)13:52
jibelQ-FUNK, I looked at upgrade-system13:53
jibelQ-FUNK, the idea is to run $( dpkg-query -W -f='${Conffiles}\n' | grep obsolete | awk {'print $1'} ) post-upgrade13:53
jibelQ-FUNK, and check that the list is empty ?13:53
Q-FUNKjibel: essentially, yes. if it's not empty, to auto-file bugs against the packages concerned, indicating which files are concerned.13:54
Q-FUNKyou can see what it does if you try:  sudo FLAUSCH=jah upgrade-system13:55
pittiinfinity, lamont: FTR, buildds back to normal13:55
Q-FUNKjibel: these days, due to Debian making automated runs of piuparts, there's fewer of these orphan configs than bebore -- but upgrading LTS to LTS+1 leaves a lot of cruft.13:56
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Q-FUNKjibel: currently, on my ubuntu+1 desktop, I only found 3 packages with such obsolete configs. on my LTS+1 host, it's close to 50 packages.13:59
jibelQ-FUNK, bug auto-filing, we are not here yet, but I can add the test to the daily auto-upgrade tests. That will give a good picture of the status of main and universe.14:01
Q-FUNKjibel: assuming that you would generate an automated bug report, packages that have such an obsolete config would need to call dpkg-maintscript-helper via debian/*maintscript to move or delete.14:01
pittitkamppeter: cups and cups-filters uploaded14:04
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jibelQ-FUNK, I filed bug 93952814:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 939528 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "auto-upgrade-tester: Add a post-upgrade test to check for obsolete files" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93952814:08
Q-FUNKjibel: ah, auto-upgrade-tester is a part of update-manager?14:09
dholbachev, it's in chinstrap:~dholbach14:10
jibelQ-FUNK, yes, I'm working on separating them, but it will be done post B1.14:11
Q-FUNKjibel: ok. good to know. :)14:12
evdholbach: cheers! I've grabbed it, so feel free to delete.14:14
dholbachev, thanks14:19
lenios_does anybody know how to get the $ARCH in a makefile when building with pbuilder?14:31
lenios_it looks like it was working until 11.10, but now doesn't with 12.0414:32
geserare you looking for "dpkg-architecture -qDEB_BUILD_ARCH"?14:34
lenios_i used to set ARCH in my pbuilderrc14:40
lenios_or call ARCH=i386 pdebuild --configfile /etc/pbuilderrc14:42
infinitylamont: You around?  What releases are kapok and cardamon running?14:44
infinitylamont: And is it possible that they're running a kernel that doesn't grok ext4?14:50
ogra_infinity, i thought just a missing modprobe or some such14:51
ogra_infinity, but generally all our panda kernels and even the babbage ones always had ext414:51
infinityogra_: Unless they're also not running udev, a modprobe shouldn't be necessary.14:52
infinityogra_: This is x86.14:52
ogra_well, do they run udev ?14:52
* ogra_ slaps foreheadf14:52
infinityStill, I'm pretty sure ext4 has been builtin on Ubuntu kernels for quite a while, so either they're running ancient releases or custom kernels.14:54
infinity(Well, maybe not ancient, I don't remember if it was =y or =m in lucid)14:54
ogra_or mount is broken14:54
infinitymount being broken seems less likely.14:55
pittilucid has it built in, anyway14:55
ogra_well, as likely as a kernel without ext414:55
infinityNot entirely unlikely, but I'm going to stop speculating until I get a response from IS. :P14:55
ogra_does livecd-rootfs have a versioned dep btw ? i.e. does the new live-build pulled in automatically ?14:56
infinityThe builds apt-get upgrade before they start.14:56
infinityWhich is obviously happening, or I wouldn't have ext4 errors. :P14:57
ogra_why ? -f ext4 comes from buildlive, no ?14:57
infinityOh, fair point.  All I changed in live-build was a filename.14:57
infinityStill half asleep here.14:57
infinityEither way, yes, it's auto-upgraded.14:58
lenios_geser, oh, DEB_HOST_ARCH looks like what i was looking for14:58
cyphermoxblueyed: poke.15:00
pittiRiddell: hm, did you do anything to make lightdm-gtk-greeter have no reverse depends any more?15:02
pittiRiddell: I thought xubuntu, studio, lubuntu, etc. were using it?15:02
pittinow it's on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/nbs.html15:02
pittiRiddell: also, there was one libokularcore1 rdepends waiting for koffice removal, but koffice is still in the archive?15:03
pittican it be removed now?15:03
Riddellpitti: have faith, I've taken care15:04
infinityogra_: Feh, so they're running hardy. :/15:04
pittiRiddell: great, thanks15:04
Riddellpitti: the okular package was a rename from ages ago so that's fine15:04
pittiRiddell: I was just curious, as I heard there was a package for the greeter on alioth or so15:04
Riddellpitti: the lightdm one robert moved into a new source package so it's up to xubuntu etc to package, maybe micahg is doing it15:04
ogra_infinity, LOL15:05
pittiRiddell: right, I know15:05
pittiRiddell: I just wonder where all the rdepends went15:05
pittixubuntu-desktop and friends Depend: on it15:05
pittior NBS is gone haywire and telling lies15:05
pittiif we remove it now, we'll render them uninstallable15:05
pittiso we need to take care to not accidentally do it15:06
Riddellpitti: so we'd best hope micahg is packaging it :)15:06
pittiRiddell: so you didn't apply any magic?15:06
pittithen NBS has gone mad somehow15:06
seb128Riddell, pitti: the packaging is reading in debian15:06
ogra_infinity, joining the final arm meeting ?15:06
infinityogra_: Oh, it's that time.15:06
seb128Riddell, ^15:07
Riddellpitti: oh I deleted it, it's up to xubuntu to fix it and I believe that's what is happening15:07
* Riddell deletes koffice for good measure15:08
Riddellseb128: tell it to micahg :)15:08
pittiuh; well, let's hope it happens quickly then15:08
pittialso, it'll get caught in binNEW again15:08
pittiwe usually wait until there are no rdepends15:08
pittibut oh well, it's done15:08
RiddellI'm doing New now too, happy to be pinged for anything that's needed for beta15:10
pittithanks Riddell15:10
mdeslaurtedg: are you able to reproduce the xchat-gnome clipboard crash on demand? I can't seem to reproduce it15:12
mdeslaurtedg: I select text in the chat window, and then click like a mad man, and nothing happens15:13
* tedg checks15:13
mdeslaurclick here --->15:14
mdeslaurno, here -------->15:14
tedgmdeslaur, Well, apparently not... but it does happen quite a bit...15:15
pittitkamppeter: did you see that cups-filters FTBFSed on missing fontconfig?15:15
mdeslaurtedg: ok, thanks15:15
tedgmdeslaur, I'm not quite sure what the click pattern is.  I wonder if it's a middle click thing....15:15
mdeslaurtedg: this happens with your touchpad?15:15
tedgmdeslaur, Yeah15:15
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pittiev: erk -- I just released and uploaded 1.93, saw your MP too late15:26
pittiev: will do a followup upload15:26
evno worries15:26
pittiev: oh, it was the chown which subverted the sgid flag?15:27
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evpitti: it was for me, yes15:27
pittiev: there's no bug # for that, right?15:29
* pitti is writing the NEWS entry and wondering15:29
evoh, I actually didn't check15:29
evit was just from conversation in here15:29
pittiyeah, I guess nobody else noticed yet15:29
pittiI didn't see one this morning, anyway15:29
pittiev: doesn't that affect the Python one, too?15:30
pittiah, no, that's written as user15:30
pittiand thus, sgid should apply15:30
pittiev: btw, you merge trunk instead of pull?15:31
evthis was the only call to chown I found15:31
pitti(criss-cross merged)15:31
evoh, interesting15:31
evI've always done it this way out of habit15:31
evI'll give that a bash next go around15:31
pittipull basically unifies the history15:31
pittiit checks that everything is merged, of course15:32
pittiif not, it'll say "diverged"15:32
pittiand you know that you have something to be merged still15:32
pittibut anyway, if "merge" works, it shoudl be fine15:32
Riddelltjaalton: ping15:35
Riddelltjaalton: gstreamer-vaapi has a .git directory in it, shall I reject or accept?15:36
tjaaltonRiddell: grr, reject :I15:36
tjaaltonI'll reupload15:36
Riddelltjaalton: rejected!15:39
lamontinfinity: if it isn't arm/ppc, it's hardy on the buildds15:41
lamontso.. 2.6.24-$mumble15:41
lamontprolly somewhere between 27 and 3015:41
infinitylamont: Yeah, already confirmed by gsa-ng for me. :/15:44
tjaaltonRiddell: reuploaded with a fixed tarball. upstream doesn't provide one so I created it myself but forgot about the .git dir..15:44
Riddellpesky upstreams15:44
Riddelltjaalton: accepted!15:46
tjaaltonRiddell: thanks!15:46
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mahmohinfinity: bug 93924015:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 939240 in linux-armadaxp (Ubuntu) "armadaxp kernel slow to unmount" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93924015:55
infinitymahmoh: Danke.15:56
mahmohit has all the details but it appears that "05:14:37 umount("/boot", 0)             = 0" is hanging15:56
ogra_is /boot using a weird filesystem ?15:57
infinitymahmoh: Oh, err.  Is /boot an SD?15:57
mahmohinfinity: SATA ext3 and ext2 both hang, I think the ext4 rootfs also exhibits the same problem15:58
infinityOkay, so it's just a general "umounting sucks" issue, not actually related to the init sequence, now that I read the bug.15:58
infinityThat should be slightly less awkward to look at, potentially more awkward to fix.15:58
infinity(And yeah, could be linux-armadaxp-specific, then)15:58
mahmohshould be, hopefully easier to fix15:59
tjaaltonsigh, "No packages found matching gtk-doc-tools." on the buildd's, gstreamer-vaapi builds fine on sbuild though16:02
tjaaltonthough it's listed in build-depends-indep, does that matter?16:03
infinitytjaalton: Which build is this?16:04
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tjaaltoninfinity: gstreamer-vaapi, every arch failed16:04
tkamppeterpitti, saw it now, strange, as I only added some small patches which should not have added new library dependencies, perhaps your libpoppler-private-dev caused a problem. I only built my changes locally for testing, I did not know about libpoppler-private-dev before I pushed my stuff.16:04
infinitytjaalton: But yeah, if it's in -indep, that's wrong, if arch-specific builds need it. :P16:05
pittitkamppeter: private-dev is empty right now16:05
tjaaltoninfinity: ahah, ok. I probably copied it from the upstream debian dir16:05
tjaaltonnever used -indep before16:05
pittitkamppeter: but yes, it did build in Debian16:06
tkamppeterpitti, perhaps some APIs got pulled out with the most recent Poppler, but my system is up-to date and it built.16:06
pittitkamppeter: so it builds with 0.16, but not with our 0.1816:06
tkamppeterpitti, on my Precise is 0.18.16:06
pittitkamppeter: I guess libpoppler-private-dev is missing a libfontconfig-dev dependency or so16:06
infinitytjaalton: Though...16:07
infinitytjaalton: That doesn't explain the i386 failure.16:07
infinitytjaalton: Still, if doc-tools is needed for the other builds, it's in the wrong field.  But, yeah, i386 is still failing even with it installed.16:07
tkamppeterpitti, does the dependency on empty libpoppler-private-dev replace ano old dependency?16:08
tjaaltoninfinity: ok I'll check that one too16:08
pittitkamppeter: not sure; perhaps some other dependency changed in the meantime, I didn't look16:12
sladentkamppeter: FTBFS: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/93976747/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-amd64.cups-filters_1.0.2-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz16:22
sladentkamppeter: checking for FONTCONFIG... configure: error: Package requirements (fontconfig >= 2.0.0) were not met:16:23
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cnddidrocks, have you had a chance to look at xorg-gtest?16:29
dokoDaviey, ruby ping16:30
tkamppeterpitti, sladen, seems that some package of cups-filters' build dependencies has dropped the dependency on fontconfig.16:30
didrockscnd: no sorry, rush of UIF. I plan to do it tomorrow morning in a quieter time16:32
tjaaltoninfinity: yeah there was some stupid indep confflags trickery that didn't work, so --enable-gtk-doc wasn't passed on to configure16:33
cnddidrocks, ok, thanks :)16:33
didrockscnd: but no worry, it's on my list :)16:33
infinitytjaalton: Which explains the i386 failure, and the other failures were just due to the missing build-dep?16:34
larsupitti, tkamppeter, I heard cups-filters doesn't build? Can I help?16:34
tjaaltoninfinity: yep16:35
infinitytjaalton: Shiny.16:35
Davieydoko: ruby pong16:41
* Daviey wonders if a ruby ping differs from a traditional ping16:42
dokoDaviey, it's a ping with context ;)16:42
Davieydoko: can i give you a java ping? :)16:43
dokoDaviey, I didn't manage to make 1.9 the default for the lts. but would it be possible to get your server applications running using ruby1.9 explicitly? it may make the support easier for the lts16:43
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dokoDaviey, are your minecraft games broken? ;-P16:43
Davieydoko / jamespage: Any idea what introduced bug 93963116:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 939631 in mythbuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Java stack pulled into mythbuntu precise build" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93963116:43
Davieydoko: heh16:43
dokoDaviey, hmm, no16:44
tkamppeterpitti, sladen, larsu, I committed now a version with explicit build dependency on libfontconfig1-dev,16:45
tkamppeterpitti, can you upload this to Debian and Ubuntu, thanks.16:45
Davieydoko: Server flavour doesn't have an specific interest in ruby, there are a few things that are 'interesting' things for server.. but not something we are putting direct work into right now.16:45
Davieydoko: I really don't think we have the manpower to validate things against 1.9 atm.16:46
Davieydoko: puppet is probably the primary interest, but i'm nervous about committing to that.16:47
pittitkamppeter: to Ubuntu is enough for now, thanks!16:48
dokoDaviey, it maybe would be worth it (maybe jdstrand would like to comment too)16:50
Davieylynxman: do you have the capacity to validate puppet against ruby1.9 atm?16:50
lynxmanDaviey: puppet has unit tests so it's quite easy, I'll be glad to help16:51
Davieylynxman: that would rock my world.16:51
lynxmanDaviey: no prob, shall we wait for 2.7.11? or is it already in the Precise repo16:52
lynxman2.7.10 was marked as a bad release16:53
Davieylynxman: precise has .1016:54
lynxmanDaviey: that's why I'm asking :)16:54
infinityDaviey: Speaking of puppet, do you know if IS's "we can't upgrade to precise because of puppet" issues have been resolved?16:54
Davieylynxman: so does Debian, i think we are stuck with .10 unless you know something i don't?16:54
infinityDaviey: Or is that intractable client/server mismatch issue that just plain can't/won't be solved?16:55
lynxmanDaviey: this thread http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users/browse_thread/thread/f1e764d3b55cf968/8a65af62664fd06e?show_docid=8a65af62664fd06e&pli=116:55
lynxmanDaviey: 2.7.10 breaks a good list of regression tests16:55
Davieyinfinity: sorry, i haven't been following that issue.. :(16:56
jdstrandDaviey, lynxman: we need 2.7.11 for a security update and because upstream has declared 2.7.10 'bad'16:56
seb128pitti, mdeslaur, slangasek: do you have any opinion on bug #939595 (from design)16:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 939595 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "User can't set simple passwords for his local machine" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93959516:56
seb128pitti, mdeslaur, slangasek: i.e basically not forcing user to enter a secure password but just warn them16:57
pittitjaalton: (CC: Riddell) on armhf we currently have16:57
lynxmanjdstrand: that's why I was asking, saw your emails16:57
pittilibegl1-mesa: Depends: libwayland0 (= 0.1.0~2-1ubuntu1) but 0.85.0-1ubuntu1 is to be installed16:57
pittiwhich causes the mess on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/precise_probs.html16:57
Davieylynxman: OK... do you have capacity to look at a new upstream version of puppet, working against ruby1.9 .. discussing it with the DM's? :)16:57
lynxmanDaviey: I do! Can do it tom morning if that's fine16:58
lynxmanDaviey: or late tonight16:58
mdeslaurseb128: I'll respond16:58
pittitjaalton: ah, so the new wayland also requires the new mesa, I see16:58
seb128mdeslaur, thanks16:58
pittiand it's building16:58
infinityDaviey: You might want to talk to some IS folks.  AFAIUI, puppet is the single reason they can't upgrade any individual machines to precise without doing the entire DC at once, or some such.16:59
Davieylynxman: okay, it'll need an FFe.. but based on your input, upstream and jdstrand's.. it would seem like a good idea.16:59
lynxmanDaviey: I think it'd be more than recommendable indeed16:59
pittiseb128: no strong opinion, but as we also offer autologin by default it makes sense for a desktop16:59
jdstranddoes it actually need an FFe? it is both a security update and bug fix. upstream declared it as unsupportable16:59
pittiseb128: is it really g-c-c which adds obscure there?16:59
lynxmaninfinity: I reckon they can't upgrade yet due to something they're using that is kinda broken so they need to change their modules in order to upgrade (from the top of my head)16:59
jdstrandDaviey: ^16:59
seb128pitti, no, passwd behaves the same17:00
slangasekseb128: architecturally speaking, it's non-trivial to allow without making password strength checking useless in other cases17:00
Davieyjdstrand: well it no doubt introduces features?17:00
slangasektkamppeter: 911436> no, 'triaged' means there's enough information for someone to work on it, not that someone is working on it yet17:00
seb128slangasek, ok, can you comment on the bug saying that and,or subscribe to the bug. Is there any way for a client (i.e g-c-c) to override this security?17:01
jdstrandDaviey: http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users/browse_thread/thread/2d5daed2291962c217:01
jdstrandDaviey: "The security changes in 2.7.11 address CVEs 2012-1053 and 2012-1054. The maintenance changes are to address regressions in 2.7.10."17:02
Davieyjdstrand: I sit corrected!17:02
slangasekseb128: the only way to bypass that is to set a password as root17:02
jdstrandok, I'll stop supporting myself then :)17:02
slangasekseb128: mdeslaur seems to have beat me to the bug :)17:02
seb128slangasek, mdeslaur: ok, thanks17:02
lynxmanjdstrand: Daviey: so you want me to do the unit testing against ruby 1.9 before we get 2.7.11 into the archive or after?17:03
jdstrandlynxman: well, we need it in the archive regardless17:03
Davieylynxman: makes sense to do it concurrently. :)17:03
lynxmanjdstrand: yeah was just wondering the chicken and egg connundrum, its very ruby-esque17:04
jdstrandlynxman: are you planning to get 2.7.11 into the archive?17:04
lynxmanjdstrand: hmm I could17:04
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jdstrandlynxman: I just meant that whether we use 1.8 or 1.9, we need 2.7.1117:05
lynxmanjdstrand: oh yeah definitely17:05
lynxmanDaviey: I'll also ask the puppet core developers for extra reassurance, afaik puppet was almost 100% ruby 1.9 compatible on 2.7.2 already17:05
jdstrandlynxman: as for the timing of 2.7.11, I just figured someone would merge 2.7.11 when it hit Debian17:06
jdstrandlynxman: I'm guessing that will be soonish17:06
seb128mdeslaur, slangasek: I'm not sure I agree with the wontfix, the rational is raisonnable, there is no reason to force most users to set a complex password, i.e it seems a valid request to have g-c-c only giving you indication on how secure is your password, though I agree that if it's technically difficult to let g-c-c skip that security it might be wontfix for technical reasons17:06
lynxmanjdstrand: yeah I reckon so as well17:06
Davieylynxman: Have a conversation with the Debian Maintainers, always a shame to double up on workload.17:06
jamespageDaviey: I think it is moin that is pulling java into the mythubuntu precise build17:07
lynxmanDaviey: ahoy17:07
Davieyjamespage: right!  Seems to be the case, but moin isn't in those seeds17:07
mdeslaurseb128: How about this compromise: we disable the password quality checking, but the default user isn't in the admin group? :)17:07
Davieythe moin mention in the platform seed has been there since 200917:07
seb128mdeslaur, or how to make you box useless? ;-)17:08
mdeslaurseb128: useless but secure! :)17:08
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seb128mdeslaur, well I think for an home user it's reasonable to put a weak password17:08
seb128mdeslaur, like think a netbook your let around for free use (sort of tablet usage)17:09
mdeslaurseb128: removing the password quality check could be something that ubuntu-tweak could change17:10
seb128mdeslaur, well, the issue is default install, normal users don't got and install ubuntu-tweak17:11
jamespageDaviey: so is your question why is moin in the seed?17:14
Davieyjamespage: no, my question is why java is in seeds it wasn't previously.. :)17:15
Davieyi don't think it's moin related fwiw.17:16
Davieyi think it just /looks/ like it is.17:16
didrocksev: I don't see any .so for whoopsie in activity-log-manager17:16
Davieyit's the reason, but not the cause, if that makes sense.17:16
didrocksev: there is the .ui, the polkit part17:16
tkamppeterslangasek, bug 911436 causes around 5 new bug reports about CUPS update failures per day, therefore I was asking what the progress with this bug is.17:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 911436 in p11-kit (Ubuntu) "https crashed with SIGSEGV in lookup_or_create_bucket()" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91143617:16
evdidrocks: indeed, it doesn't build a library for it17:17
didrocksev: it's bundled into the a-l-m one?17:17
didrocksok :)17:17
evas it's being shoved into a tab in the a-l-m page17:17
evso it doesn't need to create a library for g-c-c17:17
jamespageDaviey: I can see a [build]dependency chain from moin to java tho17:17
evbut it still needs the ui for itself and the dbus/polkit backend to apply the preferences17:17
didrocksev: ok, wasn't sure it was or not really bundled, ok, make sense then! :)17:17
pittijanimo`, ogra_: !!!!!!!17:18
evthanks for checking with me17:18
ampelbein_Can a arch-all package be forced to build on a specific architecture in ubuntu? In this case, openbios-ppc, needs to be built on a ppc arch. Is this what packages-arch-specific is for?17:18
ogra_pitti, yes ?17:19
jamespageDaviey: its in that seed for oneiric...17:19
pittiogra_: well, it's the first time ever that it built on armhf17:19
tkamppeterpitti, OK, will upload itr to Ubuntu, we do the next synced upload with 1.0.3 with all the bugs on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bannertopdf fixed by larsu.17:19
pittiogra_: it was responsible for 111 uninstallable packages on armhf, which should now be fixed17:19
pittitkamppeter: already did17:19
ogra_pitti, yeah, janimo rocks !!!17:19
pittiogra_: and I switched http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/precise_probs.html from armel to armhf now, as I understand it's our primary arm arch now?17:20
ogra_yep, armel is "community supported" now17:20
ogra_pitti, and armhf has to be supported by ubuntu platform since with monday the ubuntu-arm team is history17:21
ogra_(with help of the former ubuntu-arm team members indeed)17:22
tkamppeterpitti, thanks.17:28
pittitkamppeter: it built everywhere now17:28
* ogra_ sighs, thats the third xorg lockup today since i upgraded17:28
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hakaishi_Hi, may I ask how to turn off the desktop effects with gnome3? Or how can I set gnome-fallback? Since the login doesn't work for me, I can't choose it there... How else can I set it?17:38
arandhakaishi_: That's probably a question for #ubuntu rather17:39
hakaishi_oh.. okay, thank you17:41
hakaishi_I'd like to mention something that bugs me quit a bit. I reported it here -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/93156517:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 931565 in gnome-session (Ubuntu) "The methods Shutdown and RequestShutdown in org.gnome.SessionManager do the same" [Undecided,New]17:43
lynxmanDaviey: by doing some bug hunting looks like 1.9 is still not fully supported (http://projects.puppetlabs.com/projects/puppet/issues?query_id=107) I'll get an answer from upstream in some hours as well17:45
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tjaaltonpitti: yeah we'll drop the hard dep since wayland is ~api stable18:04
micahgRiddell: why would you remove the flavor meta packages this would almost always seem to be the wrong thing to do18:12
micahgRiddell: can I just upload a new meta now for xubuntu and fix the greeter later tonight?18:24
micahgI'm really supposed to be working on other things during the day :)18:24
ogra_micahg, its evening here18:25
slangasekseb128: I rather agree with the wontfixing of that bug; I don't think insecure-by-default is reasonable.  Maybe this should be a topic for UDS so that we can discuss our options in finer detail?18:31
slangasekbdmurray: is there a bug pattern for bug #911436 that tkamppeter mentions (far) above?  we should probably be blocking those18:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 911436 in p11-kit (Ubuntu) "https crashed with SIGSEGV in lookup_or_create_bucket()" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91143618:31
seb128slangasek, yes, I'm fine with the current situation for precise, I just think it's a valid request18:32
seb128slangasek, I don't agree that allowing bypassing the weak password warning is "insecure-by-default" though18:32
seb128slangasek, there is plenty of users who don't need a password, especially not an hard one18:32
slangasekthen let them configure their system for passwordless autologin18:33
slangasekthe threshold for "hard" passwords is not particularly high18:33
seb128slangasek, well, we don't offer them that option18:33
slangasekwe don't?18:33
bdmurrayslangasek: yes, I'll make sure it is working18:33
seb128the installer has autologin, password, or protected18:33
seb128not passwordless18:34
slangasekbdmurray: ta18:34
slangasekseb128: from the installer you can set as weak a password as you want, too, because that's done as root18:34
slangasekso this seems to only be a problem for users who are somehow concerned about password rotation but not password strength? :)18:34
seb128slangasek, well, another reason to let g-c-c do the same as the installer18:34
seb128slangasek, I don't think it's a real problem in practice18:34
seb128but I got annoyed by it as well in the past and wished the g-c-c dialog would let you click "I know I'm setting an insecure password but that's fine, I can deal with it"18:35
slangasekwell, if you can arrange for g-c-c to invoke passwd as root, you can do that18:35
mdeslaurhrm, it appears g-c-c fails miserably if it gets a failure on the first try18:36
seb128slangasek, I think the issue is not worth the effort, I'm fine with the Opinion status ;-)18:37
seb128I just found the request fair on theory18:37
slangasekyou're cutting a fine line between wontfix and opinion ;)18:38
seb128slangasek, well the comment mdeslaur added was rather a "we won't do it because we don't like the idea"18:38
seb128rather than "we won't do it because it's work and we have better things to do"18:38
* slangasek nods18:39
slangasekjibel, mvo: do you know why https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Precise%20Upgrade%20Testing%20Dashboard/job/precise-upgrade-lucid-main/ARCH=amd64,LTS=lts,PROFILE=main-all,label=upgrade-test/30/artifact/lts-main-all-amd64/apt-term.log only shows packages being removed?  This seems to be a log from the second apt pass of the upgrade, where no-longer-needed packages are being removed18:41
slangasekah, no mvo18:42
barrymdke: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-docs/+bug/93972918:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 939729 in ubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) "FTBFS due to broken translation" [Undecided,New]18:43
sladenlarsu: tkamppeter: there might be a regression in there.  It's trying to print a testpage that is page size 'iP-B4'18:44
sladenlarsu: presumably the PDF that is going out of the door is oversize, and/or not being cropped/forced to the printer papersize setting18:44
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larsusladen, sounds like the next bug on my list: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bannertopdf/+bug/92107318:46
ubottuLaunchpad bug 921073 in bannertopdf "Scale-to-fit the generated page onto the printer's page size" [Critical,Confirmed]18:46
sladenlarsu: tkamppeter: or.  perhaps something bigger.  http://localhost:631/printers/Canon-iR-ADV-C5000s-B1-PS-V1.0  shows "PDF files is damanged - attempting to reconstruct xref table"18:46
larsusladen, okay that sounds like a different thing. I have to go off now, I'll look into it tomorrow. Which PPD are you using for that printer?18:47
sladenlarsu: "Generic PostScript Printer Foomatic/Postscript (recommended) (color, 2-sided printing)"18:48
larsusladen, thanks. See you tomorrow!18:48
bryceh@pilot in18:57
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slangasekjibel: ahwell, tried to post to ubuntu-qa@lists and I'm in the mod queue, hopefully someone can approve me :)18:57
bdmurrayslangasek: is there some way I could recreate that bug?  there are some bugs that were reported matching the pattern and I'd like to sort out why19:02
slangasekbdmurray: if you dpkg --unpack the new version of the package providing the conffiles in question, without dpkg --configure'ing it, that should let you reproduce it19:02
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apwslangasek, which package does one file a bug aginst for the 'pretty stufff' one sees during install19:23
mr_pouitxubuntu-default-settings_12.04.7_all.deb (19.1 KiB) NEW <<< Riddell: I don't know why you removed the package, but that's really messed up19:25
lamefun2does Software Center implement AppStream?19:27
ogra_apw, ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu ?19:28
apwogra_, sounds plausible ... title still says 11.1019:29
ogra_the other option would be ubiquity itself i guess19:29
stgraberapw: I think I saw at least 150 people report that bug ;)19:33
stgraberapw: so feel free to click on "affects me too" but I guess we're waiting on a completely new slideshow so it's not worth fixing the current one really19:33
stgraberapw: ev would know the details19:34
apwstgraber, heh nope as long as its there, i wish the duplicate detection ever found anything19:35
stgraberapw: most people reported the issue against ubiquity instead of the slideshow19:35
apwyeah, but you'd think they'd all find the duplicate ... but hey19:36
ogra_if you use ubuntu-bug it does that for you :)19:36
stgraberhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+bug/899503 is the master bug I believe19:36
ubottuLaunchpad bug 899503 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "first slide on 12.04 thinks it's 11.10" [Medium,Triaged]19:36
apwogra_, in theory, though most of the bugs i filed this week had duplicates it couldn't point me to19:36
apwperhaps my use of english is just toooo odd to match19:37
ogra_well, i'm probably spoiled by dealing with arm ... where we have only 1% of the open bugs19:37
ogra_or 0.1%19:37
ogra_or so19:37
stgraberogra_: I can give you half of the ubiquity ones, then you'll have plenty to go mark as dupe and test apport on ;)19:38
ogra_stgraber, lets talk about that next week :)19:38
stgraberogra_: ;)19:38
ogra_today and tomorrow i'm teamless ... from monday on we're teammates :)19:38
infinityDear chrimium, paths like these really inspire confidence:   CXX(host) out/Release/obj.host/protobuf_full_do_not_use/third_party/protobuf/src/google/protobuf/generated_message_reflection.o19:41
infinitychromium, too.19:41
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cndwhere's the release notes so I can add something about clickpads?20:11
cndbryceh ^^?20:11
bdmurraycnd: hard to say https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview20:15
jbichabarry: can you try rebuilding ubuntu-docs? it should build now that itstool has been updated to not fail on translation errors20:16
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barryjbicha: will do, thanks20:23
sveinseOn a Natty system in an upstart service, do I need to use su to be able to run the service as a non-privileged user. Are there other ways?20:30
sveinseThe app does not support setuid(), so it need to be demoted prior to its execution20:30
brycehskaet, ^^ see cnd's q about the release notes for beta120:32
barryjbicha: yay!  ubuntu-docs rebuilt successfully20:36
skaetbryceh, cnd - just put the comments you want in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview itself right now.   I'll be populating the template into it tomorrow, and will carry make sure that any comments added to the wiki page are included.20:36
jbichabarry: thanks, I probably should have found someone to try rebuilding it sooner20:38
barryjbicha: no worries at all, thanks for letting me know20:38
cndskaet, bryceh, thanks!20:42
brycehskaet, thanks20:42
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slangaseksveinse: you should use start-stop-daemon, not su; su starts a PAM session, which you don't want for a system service21:03
slangasekbroder: I haven't seen any new SRU uploads for bug #858122, are you still working on that?21:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 858122 in sysvinit (Ubuntu Oneiric) "incomplete migration to /run (shutdown script order has been demolished)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85812221:26
broderslangasek: yeah, real work just got in the way. i think i can get something uploaded today21:26
slangasekbroder: ok, cheers :)21:27
sveinseslangasek: On my system it seems start-stop-daemon is associated with /etc/init.d and not /etc/init. So using start-stop-daemon from an upstart script is not frowed upon?21:42
slangaseksveinse: start-stop-daemon is part of dpkg; you'll find much more use of it in /etc/init.d than in /etc/init, because many of the things it does are not needed with upstart.  But uid switching is one use case where it's still the right tool, at least up until upstart 1.4.21:43
sveinseyes. thanks21:44
slangasekin contrast, su is always wrong in an upstart system job :)21:44
micahgdoes someone want to tackle bug 939842, this is the second one I saw for it21:47
ubottuLaunchpad bug 939842 in activity-log-manager (Ubuntu) "package activity-log-manager-control-center 0.9.1-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/etc/dbus-1/system.d/com.ubuntu.WhoopsiePreferences.conf', which is also in package whoopsie 0.1.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93984221:47
* slangasek blinks21:48
* micahg is also confused by it, but didn't look into it21:48
slangasekkind of a gratuitous collision21:48
broderdidn't ev say yesterday that he was rolling whoopsie into the activity log?21:48
slangasekI don't know21:49
seb128he said he would roll the preference ui there21:49
seb128but that's only part of whoopsie I think21:49
seb128it's maybe missing a conflicts,replace21:49
seb128whoopsie-daisy (0.1.11) precise; urgency=low21:49
slangasekbut yeah21:50
seb128  * Drop the GNOME Control Center page for controlling crash reporting.21:50
seb128    This has been moved into the activity-log-manager package and these21:50
seb128 21:50
seb128seems so21:50
slangasekseb128: shall I upload?21:50
seb128slangasek, feel free21:50
slangasekBreaks: whoopsie (<< 0.1.10)21:51
seb128indeed ;-)21:51
slangasekseb128, micahg: uploaded21:56
bdrungcyphermox: re bug #869635, i have not enough time to digg out the patches. i am happy to test patches if they are easily installable.21:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 869635 in wpasupplicant (Ubuntu Oneiric) "long delay at shutdown/reboot - network-manager doesn't close correctly" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86963521:58
cyphermoxbdrung: well, really it's patches to NM, wpasupplicant and isc-dhcp, it all need to land to notice much changes21:59
cyphermoxbdrung: I'll see if I can put all this in a PPA, but complexity seems kind of high for a SRU21:59
seb128slangasek, thanks21:59
micahganyone know offhand where the proper place to set CHROOT_MOUNT_LOCATION for schroot is?22:01
slangasekI'm surprised you would want to set it22:02
slangasekwhat's wrong with the provided default?22:02
micahgslangasek: not enough space on the partition22:03
slangaseknot enough space to *mount*?22:03
slangasekthat doesn't make sense22:03
slangasekwhat is it you're actually trying to change :)22:04
slangasekCHROOT_MOUNT_LOCATION is only the mount point22:04
micahgoh, where the chroot is being used22:04
micahgah, yeah, that's not right then22:04
slangasekis this a type=directory chroot?22:05
slangasekyou probably need to fiddle with /etc/schroot/schroot.conf, I think22:05
micahgok, I think I know what I messed up, thanks22:05
lamontdpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `libmount1' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed.22:16
lamontwhat does that mean? ^^ slangasek ?22:16
slangaseklamont: er, are you mixing multiarch and non-multiarch dpkg?22:17
lamontdoes it mean that I needed to do more than just remove /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch to disable multiarch?22:17
lamontoh.  yeah maybe22:17
slangasekit means the version of dpkg you're running doesn't *see* /var/lib/dpkg/info/libmount1:$arch.list because it doesn't have multiarch support22:18
slangasekthere's no supported downgrade path there22:18
slangasek(actually, I think there technically is a supported downgrade path, but I suspect you've actually done a cross-grade)22:18
slangasekyou can manually move the files around in /var/lib/dpkg/info if you need to22:19
lamontslangasek: worse.  I'm running dpkg outside of the chroot.  thank you for diagnosing my pain22:19
lamontI shall now go find a corner to bang against22:19
Davieyinfinity: Do you plan to fix bug 759545? :)22:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 759545 in grub2 (Ubuntu Precise) "user prompted to update unmodified grub configuration during Ubuntu server upgrade" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75954522:23
SpamapSShouldn't the channel topic say Beta Freeze in effect?22:25
Laneyyes, and luckily it isn't locked so anyone can do it22:25
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slangasekwords, words22:26
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dokoslangasek, about but 927423, is this seen for openjdk-6 as well?23:49
dokobug 92742323:49
ubottuLaunchpad bug 927423 in openjdk-7 (Ubuntu) "jre/lib/security/cacerts symlink is broken" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92742323:49
slangasekdoko: it hasn't been reported for -6, so I don't know23:55
slangasekI don't see it here on my continuously-upgraded system23:55
slangaseknor in a clean chroot with -623:56
dokoslangasek, just to confirm, you don't see it on 7 either?23:56
slangasekI'm not using -7 and haven't tested... I happened to have a chroot around with -6 installed23:57

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