[01:12] <GTRsdk> Hi. Could you unban me in #ubuntu-offtopic?
[01:15] <pangolin> GTRsdk: let me see if I can find an op to help you
[01:15] <GTRsdk> pangolin: you are no longer an op?
[01:15] <pangolin> I am an op but not in #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:16] <GTRsdk> ah okay
[01:19] <pangolin> GTRsdk: there doesn't seem to be any ops around at the moment. Come back in a couple of hours?
[04:27] <Tm_T> GTRsdk: hello?
[04:34] <GTRsdk> Hello Tm_T
[04:53] <Athanasius> Hi, I'd like to leave a suggestion here primarily for LjL, but one that probably all the ops will need to discuss. It'll take some time to write out, so gimme a sec
[04:54] <Athanasius> I know the FloodBots automatically redirect-ban people vulnerable to the dcc exploits, which has been very useful I think in minimizing the amount of effect those exploits do
[04:54] <Athanasius> I'd like to suggest that the Floodbots do the same for the x-chat exploits that have been making their rounds of late
[04:54] <Athanasius> Now, I think (not sure) the clients only crash on an attempt to render, meaning if someone drops the exploit string, a client may not crash until a couple seconds later when the window is switched to
[04:55] <Athanasius> So, what I suggest the floodbots do is this: When someone drops an exploit string (I have a fairly good regex for that which I can share if you'd like), have the floodbots monitor Connection reset by peer quits for the next 10 minutes.
[04:57] <Athanasius> Upon a client re-joining #ubuntu after this, have the floodbots send a CTCP VERSION to the joining client. If the version string says they're running a vulnerable version of x-chat, kick-banforward the client to #ubuntu-read-topic2 or somesuch, with information about the exploit and basically a "upgrade your client" message
[04:58] <Athanasius> If the person requests an exploit test, the floodbot should message them the exploit character, followed by a message with a random number, and "Say this number back to me so I know your screen rendered this okay" sort of a thing
[05:00] <Athanasius> I know the primary aspect of this controversialness is it would mean the floodbots would, on rare occasion, VERSION a client on joining, but given the impact I think #ubuntu has had on reducing dcc exploit victims, it'd be really neat to see the same happen with the x-chat stuff
[05:00] <Athanasius> Anyways, that's my suggestion. Value is more than or equal to what you paid for it (:
[05:00] <Athanasius> And now, I'm off.
[05:16] <Tm_T> GTRsdk: hi, do you recall why you were banned on -offtopic?
[05:23] <GTRsdk> Tm_T: Yes. I was banned because I shared a link that first went to a page filled with ads which would generate a very small amount of money before reaching the real content.
[05:24] <Tm_T> ok, I think the amount of money is irrelevant
[05:25] <Tm_T> I wonder why did you do that
[05:25] <GTRsdk> I was silly enough to think that it would be worth sharing the web page that way
[05:28] <Tm_T> so you wanted to get money out of fellow ubuntuers?
[05:28] <GTRsdk> I know.. it's wrong...
[05:30] <Tm_T> looks like you joined to channel, posted the link without even explaining what it is...
[05:31] <GTRsdk> it was very poorly planned and very poorly organized...
[05:33] <Tm_T> GTRsdk: I suppose you're already familiar with our guidelines?
[05:33] <GTRsdk> I should probably re read through them (and very carefully this time)
[05:35] <Tm_T> GTRsdk: I won't let you in until I'm convinced you will show more respect to your fellow citizens in the channel (:
[05:36] <Tm_T> !guidelines > GTRsdk
[05:39] <GTRsdk> I was already reading it (already asked the bot about !guidelines), but now is that considered being annoying?
[05:40] <Tm_T> spam/scam links are way worse than being just annoying
[05:43] <GTRsdk> You're right. I guess I'd be pretty mad if any time someone shared a link with me, I would have to see $seconds of ads before seeing what the page is about.
[05:44] <Tm_T> hmm, I feel you're missing the point
[05:45] <GTRsdk> is the point that Ubuntu is free not because of ads, but because of people who were willing to donate hours to provide what we have now?
[05:45] <GTRsdk> so then I should do the same and not corrupt links I share?
[05:46] <Tm_T> #ubuntu-offtopic is not a channel (or any channel if you ask me) where you come and share spam/scam links
[05:47] <Tm_T> you didn't give explanation in channel even when asked
[05:48] <Tm_T> indicates to me that your sole purpose was to get money out of others
[05:49] <Tm_T> biggest problem is the attitude toward others this is showing
[05:52] <GTRsdk> Yes. And I know now that it is wrong.
[05:57] <GTRsdk> The main goal was to share that it was my birthday that day. But then I grabbed a link, corruptified it, then shared it. I sould've just have plain old said it in plain text...
[06:03] <GTRsdk> I suppose sharing links like that would be considered disrespectful
[06:04] <Tm_T> suppose? considered? (:
[06:05] <GTRsdk> It is disrespectful. I'm so sorry.
[06:07] <GTRsdk> I won't ever do something like that again.
[06:07] <Tm_T> GTRsdk: oaight, I want to discuss with other op involved on this before proceeding, could you come back later?
[06:12] <pangolin> GTRsdk: you can't idle in here, so please let Tm_T know that you will be back sometime in the next 24 hours and then part this channel.
[12:37] <vibhav> Can I get my ban on #ubuntu removed?
[12:38] <ikonia> vibhav: I'm happy to put you back into #ubuntu but muted
[12:38] <vibhav> ikonia: I wanted support
[12:38] <ikonia> you've lost that privilege
[12:38] <vibhav> I promise i will  not offer support
[12:39] <ikonia> vibhav: you said that last time and you where trying to help when you dodged the ban, I fully see that you where trying to help and on that occasion you did not cause a problem, that said you did get around a ban knowingly, and you did try to offer help despite being told not to do that
[12:40] <ikonia> vibhav: it's a real problem for the team to have you in #ubuntu as you can't be trusted to do what you've agreed to do, which means we have to watch you all the time you are in the channel making sure you are not giving people bad advice
[12:40] <vibhav> Well , I not help people this time
[12:40] <ikonia> I'm sorry if that seems a little rude, but I'm just trying to explain why it's tricky
[12:40] <ikonia> vibhav you said "I won't help people" last time, yet you dodged a mute and started to try to help people
[12:41] <ikonia> which means you can't be trusted on your word
[12:41] <ikonia> 2 minutes, be back
[12:44] <ikonia> sorry about that, just had to grab someone before they walked out of the door
[12:44] <vibhav> never mind
[12:44] <vibhav> I really promise
[12:45] <ikonia> vibhav: how is "promise" different from "really promise"
[12:45] <ikonia> you've promised many times not to do $X
[12:45] <ikonia> vibhav: I'm not trying to be awkward, but you see the position you've built up
[12:45] <ikonia> yet you still do it
[12:45] <ikonia> so "I really promise" means you either cannot keep your promises or you where not really promising last time
[12:45] <ikonia> either way, we have to sit and watch what you say in the channel if we unmute you, which is quite a resource eater
[12:46] <ikonia> I've discussed this with other members of the team in the past (the others can chip in if they want)
[12:46] <ikonia> it's a real dilema about how to allow you back into #ubuntu safley
[12:47] <vibhav> I reaaly promise
[12:47] <ikonia> vibhav: if you have any suggestions (that are realisitic) beyond "I promise", I'd genuinly be interested in hearing them
[12:47] <ikonia> come on - "I promise" doesn't wash, you've said that 10 times and let us down
[12:47] <vibhav> I have no other words to express
[12:47] <ikonia> I appreciate that the wording is limited,
[12:47] <vibhav> Last chance?
[12:47] <vibhav> I mean it
[12:48] <ikonia> you've had a last chance - that's why you are now banned
[12:48] <ikonia> vibhav: sit in our chair for a moment
[12:48] <ikonia> everytime you've been in the channel you've caused a problem with your advice, we've spoke to you about it, you've agreed not to do it, then done it again, this has happened many times
[12:48] <ikonia> each time you've said "I won't do that - I promise", yet you do repeat it
[12:48] <vibhav> I dont do it intentionally
[12:48] <ikonia> how can we have confidence in you saying "I promise"
[12:49] <vibhav> Ill only offer advice when its in my scenario
[12:49] <ikonia> vibhav I can believe you don't do it intentionally, but that then means that we can't trust you to monitor/control yourself
[12:49] <ikonia> vibhav: you don't have a scenario
[12:49] <ikonia> oops
[12:50] <ikonia> welcome back
[12:50] <vibhav> Sorry , terminal crashed
[12:50] <ikonia> don't worry,
[12:50] <vibhav> I have nothing else to say what I really mean
[12:51] <vibhav> But I  promise ill triple check my advice
[12:51] <ikonia> vibhav: I understand that.
[12:51] <ikonia> ughh, please stop saying you promise
[12:51] <ikonia> you've said that before and let us down
[12:51] <ikonia> and now you've moved from "I won't offer advice" to "I'll check my advice"
[12:52] <ikonia> this is what's worrying you can't control yourself from promising to not offer advice less than 2 minutes ago, to "I'll check my advice"
[12:52] <vibhav> Ill check my advicxe (if giving any , (Only if its in my scenario))
[12:52] <ikonia> vibhav: how can you move from promising not to give advice, to checking your advice when giving it
[12:52] <ikonia> you've just changed your promise before you've even had chance to be let back into the channel
[12:53] <ikonia> vibhav: what do you need help with - lets see if we can help you while I try to get some advice/direction about how to proceed
[12:53] <vibhav> I needed to know if I can PXE boot an ISO
[12:54] <ikonia> vibhav: you can in certain situations
[12:54] <vibhav> Am I getting help here?
[12:55] <ikonia> vibhav: do you want to boot the iso image, or the contents of the iso
[12:55] <vibhav> ikonia: The ISO image , (Ubuntu 11.10)
[12:55] <ikonia> vibhav: I'm trying to help you yes, as I don't want you to not have help, but until I get some more opinions/advice from others I'm not confident with you in #ubuntu
[12:55] <vibhav> ok
[12:55] <ikonia> vibhav: if you mount the iso you can do it
[12:56] <vibhav> I mounted the ISO
[12:56] <ikonia> I don't believe you can do it as an iso image as the pxeboot isn't smart enough to expand that
[12:56] <ikonia> vibhav: if the ISO is mounted, then it's just a flat file system as far as pxebooting is concerned
[12:57] <vibhav> ok
[12:57] <ikonia> there may well be a method to boot the iso image directly but I'm not aware of it nor can I understand how that works
[12:57] <ikonia> http://kleeschulte.blogspot.com/2008/04/how-to-take-bootable-cdrom-image-and.html
[12:57] <ikonia> there is an interesting article that suggests it's do-able
[12:57] <ikonia> I've not don that, nor am I confident in it
[12:57] <ikonia> done
[12:58] <ikonia> that's just mounting though the same as I suggest, to an extent
[12:58] <ikonia> vibhav: does that help ?
[12:58] <vibhav> thanks
[12:59] <vibhav> I shall try that
[16:14] <Lint> what the hell was this?
[16:14] <ikonia> Lint: gstreamer has "retarded" dependencies ?
[16:14] <ikonia> Lint: you've been asked many times now to look at what you say and how you talk in the channel and you don't seem to get it
[16:14] <ikonia> I can't be bothered trying to explain it to you any more - so you've now been banned from #ubuntu
[16:15] <ikonia> I suggest you go away and think about how you talk when using channels
[16:15] <Lint> you have problems with the word retarded?
[16:15] <ikonia> yeah, pretty much
[16:16] <Lint> it's a literature word
[16:16] <ikonia> Lint: would you find it acceptable if I said "you are retarded as you don't seem to be able to grasp the channel rules"
[16:16] <ikonia> Lint: no, it's not a nice word to use to describe something
[16:16] <ikonia> Lint: many words are in the dictionary and literature, it doesn't make them acceptable
[16:16] <ikonia> either way, I'm not discussing this with you at this time - go and think about what's been said to you many times
[16:17] <Lint> it's an international channel so I don't understand why you cause problems with that U$ political correctness
[16:17] <ikonia> it's not US
[16:17] <ikonia> I'm not from the US
[16:17] <ikonia> retardard isn't an polite way to say something in any country
[16:17] <ikonia> Lint: so please leave the channel and have a think about how you participate
[16:18] <Myrtti> I don't see what purpose the word served in your ques...
[16:19] <maco> "it's a literature word"? mark twain wrote literature. he wrote literature that included a number of racist characters saying racist things. that doesn't make racist things ok.
[16:20] <ikonia> the guy just likes to rant about things, he's had enough warnings, he knows what he's doing
[16:32] <ikonia> looks like lint has some anti usa issue
[16:32] <ikonia> 05:08 < vbrummond> Lint, lol, and every bug has a reason considering it doesnt happen on mine it has to be hardware/driver specific
[16:32] <ikonia> 05:08 < Lint> vbrummond, it does happen on your
[16:32] <ikonia> 05:08 < Lint> you just american
[16:33] <ikonia> and when his ranting about debian being slow and USA only continues
[16:33] <ikonia> 05:15 < simonlnu> Lint: be quiet
[16:33] <ikonia> so I guess it's not ubuntu he's angry at it's just "anything" that he can use as a ranting platform
[16:34] <ikonia> as soon as he was banned from #ubuntu he re-joined debian, so I expect it's just any excuse to rant
[16:35] <jpds> maco: That sounds like something lost in translation.
[16:52] <GTRsdk> Is this time okay?
[16:58] <ikonia> GTRsdk: sorry wasn't ignoring you, had too many other discussions going on
[16:58] <GTRsdk> okay
[17:02] <ikonia> GTRsdk: sorry about that, just finished up another conversation
[17:02] <ikonia> GTRsdk: I'm assuming you want to re-join #ubuntu-offtopic based on your conversation with Tm_T earlier ?
[17:02] <GTRsdk> Yes
[17:03] <ikonia> ok - I've made my feelings to Tm_T clear that I don't believe you should be unbanned at this time as what you did was totally unacceptable and you lied multiple times about why you did it
[17:04] <ikonia> but I also said it was up to him what to do as he'd spoken to you.
[17:06] <ikonia> it doesn't look like Tm_T is active at the moment sadly.
[17:13] <ikonia> GTRsdk: looks like Tm_T's not around, I don't believe you should be unbanned at this time so I'm not going to do it, I suggest trying back later
[17:14] <GTRsdk> Okay
[19:11] <zykotick9> LjL: I don't agree with your "don't send !listers...".  The ciao/hola followed by !list is SO common.  Directing them to their native language channel (where there is at least the possibility that someone will explain the issues involved, in a language they can understand) seems to me to be the best method "users" have to deal with the problem.  We all aren't ops that can just kick users like you ;)
[19:17] <zykotick9> LjL: well, when you see me do it next time, feel free to kick/ban me.
[19:17] <mneptok> we need to make a list of the number of times how to deal with this issue has come up, put that list in public webspace, and change the !list factoid
[19:18] <zykotick9> mneptok: do you have a suggestion on how "users" should deal with this?
[19:18] <mneptok> zykotick9: nothing that hasn't been prepared better by other chefs.
[19:19] <mneptok> burning DCC to the ground comes to mind. hardly helpful.
[19:20] <zykotick9> that would be ideal ;)  I'll get out of your way.  Thanks OPs!
[19:43] <LjL> meh
[19:44] <LjL> -it people have no intention to "explain the issues involved"
[19:44] <LjL> no more than we have
[19:45] <mneptok> vada. a. bordo.
[19:48] <LjL> fortunately, i haven't seen a single one of these !list people ever go into #ubuntu-it when redirected there
[19:48] <LjL> they just ignore all input
[19:53] <LjL> !list
[19:54] <Myrtti> I wonder how it should be formed so they'd catch and understand what it means
[19:54] <LjL> !no list is <reply> No warez here! This is not a file sharing channel (or network); read the channel topic. If you're looking for information about me, type « /msg ubottu !bot ». If you're looking for a channel, see « /msg ubottu !alis ».
[19:54] <LjL> like this
[19:54] <LjL> although, it requires them to read it in the first place
[19:54] <LjL> which i doubt they do
[19:57] <ikonia> this may be stupid but is it worth either having that in Italian or having !list-it
[19:57] <Myrtti> ITALIAN MIRC COLOURS
[19:57] <ikonia> or have the bot msg anyone with a .it address "don't bother !listing in here ";)
[19:57] <Myrtti> (ie. flag)
[19:58] <Myrtti> :-P
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[19:59] <Myrtti> just running out of tools
[21:07] <pangolin> heya guntbert :)
[21:07] <guntbert> hi, playing with supybot I learnt that !list is the command to get the loaded plugins  - might it be that the factoid !list is worded completely wrong, by assuming they are looking for warez?
[21:08] <guntbert> pangolin: :)
[21:08] <pangolin> I doubt that many people are looking for the loaded plugins
[21:09] <mneptok> guntbert: why the frequency of .it people then?
[21:09] <pangolin> I wonder if that would be an admin only command
[21:10] <guntbert> mneptok: I cannot explain - it was just an idea (in the line "never attribute to malicious intent what can be explained by 2error")
[21:10] <guntbert> "error"
[21:10] <mneptok> guntbert: exactly.
[21:11] <guntbert> pangolin: try it, join ##guntbert and say !list
[21:11] <mneptok> guntbert: you ascribe malicious intent toward the bot. we're approaching it from "stupid warezers"
[21:12] <Unit193> And keep in mind the default command char for supybot is in fact @, not !
[21:12] <guntbert> mneptok: oops - I didn't think of that danger at all ...  - well I suppose you are right in your judgement :)
[21:13] <guntbert> so lets let it lie -- have a nice time
[21:13] <mneptok> guntbert: you may enter the Bonus Chamber for 12 seconds for at least thinking about it. grab all the coins and strawberries you can in the time provided.
[21:14] <guntbert> grab grab grab gra-
[21:14] <mneptok> LEVEL UP!
[21:14] <guntbert> time over :-(
[21:18] <Myrtti> as a bonus addition, I've seen that behaviour in IRCnet since time immemorial
[21:19] <pangolin> that's a long time
[21:19] <pangolin> How old are you anyway?
[21:20] <Myrtti> in IRC years 14
[21:20]  * mneptok wonders if Myrtti has seen "a/s/l" on IRCnet since time imemorial
[21:20] <Myrtti> yes, I have.
[21:21] <mneptok> w4nn4 (yb3R?
[21:21]  * Myrtti punches mneptok with a Nokia 2110
[21:21] <mneptok> aaaaaaaaand ... now i need another shower. dumb.
[21:22] <mneptok> just typing that ... oh god ... it burns ...
[21:23] <mneptok> no shower. instead, i'll just go for a ride in this 60F/15C sunny weather. enjoy .fi and .qc, fellow non-idlers.  >:P
[21:23] <pangolin> later gator
[21:24] <mneptok> back on the motorcycle in February. monkey like very much.
[21:24] <pangolin> I hate you :(
[21:58] <Silverlion> hi
[22:33] <Silverlion> pretty quiet in here
[22:33] <pangolin> that is how we like it :)
[22:33] <pangolin> hello Silverlion
[22:34] <Silverlion> moving over to -team then
[23:14] <elky> just fyi: * Chat7994 (~Chat7994@app3.chatmosphere.org) has joined #ubuntu-women                 <Chat7994> Send pics 506-812-5426
[23:14] <elky> oh crap, wrong ops channel. that shouldn't be in logs.
[23:15] <bazhang> lovely
[23:15] <bazhang> he seems to have logged off now
[23:17] <pangolin> what is the email to request that be removed from the log?
[23:23]  * Myrtti raises an eyebrow at mcurrans quit message
[23:24] <Silverlion> Myrtti: ??
[23:25] <Myrtti> [01:23] *** mcurran [~mcurran@unaffiliated/mcurran] has quit [Quit: LATA  BITCHES!]
[23:25] <pangolin> from ?
[23:25] <Myrtti> #ubuntu
[23:39] <Silverlion> do we have an age behind this nick?
 ima li ovde neko iz Srbije ?
[23:51] <bazhang> Serbian perhaps?
[23:51] <knome> well most probably
[23:51] <bazhang> !sr
[23:52] <knome> unless "srbije" means "welsh"
[23:52] <knome> ;)
[23:52] <bazhang> cymru!
[23:52] <knome> right, that