| === JonathanS is now known as JonathanD | ||
| snap-l | I'm chuckling listening to Mac Break Weekly | 00:27 |
|---|---|---|
| snap-l | they're asking for a "pro switch" to pull off the consumer crap | 00:27 |
| snap-l | and make the OS more what they had before. | 00:28 |
| rick_h | heh | 00:29 |
| rick_h | yea, I've definitely lost much of any desire to try out a a mac again | 00:30 |
| brousch | speaking of apple fanboys | 00:46 |
| rick_h | brousch: give the bookie mobile another go and let me know what you htink | 00:47 |
| rick_h | make sure ot wipe the cache | 00:47 |
| rick_h | chrome starts zoomed out :( gah | 00:49 |
| rick_h | might have to test out that remote debugging stuff sooner than I thought | 00:50 |
| rick_h | but seems to do ok on the original browser | 00:50 |
| jrwren | snap-l: what do you mean pro switch pull off consumer crap? | 00:59 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Basically keep things like filesystems and such. | 01:11 |
| jrwren | i don't get it. | 01:13 |
| jrwren | do they mean the app store standbox? | 01:13 |
| snap-l | Among other things | 01:24 |
| rick_h | morning | 11:59 |
| snap-l | Good morning | 12:24 |
| snap-l | How goes the day? | 12:24 |
| rick_h | ugh, sleepy | 12:26 |
| snap-l | Yeah, same mere. | 12:28 |
| snap-l | so sleepy that I make typo | 12:28 |
| brousch | rick_h: i tried the mobile bookie. i think it's actually too big now | 12:33 |
| brousch | :P | 12:41 |
| rick_h_ | so, letting your ec2 ebs volume run out of disk space is bad mmmkay? | 13:19 |
| brousch | i thought they could grow infinitely | 13:25 |
| rick_h_ | they can, but they're defined to size X | 13:27 |
| rick_h_ | and if X fills up, oops | 13:27 |
| rick_h_ | you have to shut down, expand it, boot up, resize it | 13:27 |
| brousch | dangit unity | 13:42 |
| brousch | i updated the ubuntu 10.10 on my nook color. it literally took 2 days. i go to login with gnome and get the "your hardware ain't good enough" message | 13:43 |
| brousch | there is no login screen to select gnome classic on this | 13:43 |
| rick_h_ | heh, cmdline ftw? How can you ctrl-alt-f2? | 13:48 |
| brousch | i'll dig into it when i have time | 13:50 |
| brousch | can probably muck with his vnc server and startup script to get something going | 13:50 |
| brousch | but yeah, i have a command line i can use | 13:55 |
| snap-l | brousch: That's pretty cool | 13:56 |
| brousch | i think i can remove lubuntu and gnome and unity and install kubuntu into it | 13:57 |
| brousch | maybe xubuntu | 13:57 |
| snap-l | brousch: I would like to point out that thinking you could get UNity 3D running on a nook was a little ambitious. :) | 13:57 |
| brousch | i just did a do-release-upgrade | 13:58 |
| brousch | i forgot that unity replaced regular gnome in 11.04 | 13:58 |
| snap-l | brousch: How could you forget something like that? | 13:58 |
| snap-l | It's literally marked on my calendar | 13:58 |
| snap-l | 11.04. Never forget. | 13:58 |
| brousch | i took that pill for forgetting traumatic events | 13:58 |
| snap-l | Precise Beta freeze 1 is coming up later today. | 14:00 |
| snap-l | "I recently got pygame working on my Kobo Touch, an ereader running Linux. | 14:14 |
| snap-l | I think I just felt something tingle in my bathing-suit area. | 14:14 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 14:15 |
| rick_h_ | and productivity plummets | 14:15 |
| snap-l | funny enough, I did while I was writing that. Got two twitter replies. :) | 14:15 |
| brousch | ug, this thing is a mess | 14:18 |
| brousch | vnc to a linux server seems more practical | 14:30 |
| snap-l | brousch: Yes | 14:30 |
| snap-l | It may have more power than a 486, but the interfaces on tablet devices don't lend themselves to Linux. | 14:31 |
| brousch | nah, the problem is that this is bundled into a .img file i haven't been able to dig into | 14:36 |
| brousch | and it's 3.5GB so even moving it around is annoying | 14:36 |
| snap-l | I swear, this recruiting company is dysfunctional | 15:44 |
| snap-l | Third person, third call | 15:44 |
| snap-l | Please to be updating your records | 15:44 |
| snap-l | "I specialize in IT recruiting" <- No, you specialize in keyword searches. | 15:46 |
| brousch | currently installing ubuntu 10.04 on the NookColor using http://goo.gl/ubawW | 15:49 |
| brousch | same sort of thing as the other one, but you can pick ubuntu LTS or debian | 15:50 |
| brousch | also, 10.04 with gnome2 is the best ubuntu evar | 15:52 |
| jrwren | lol. | 15:55 |
| jrwren | i disagree. | 15:55 |
| jrwren | current ubuntu is always the best ubuntu ever. | 15:55 |
| brousch | no | 15:56 |
| Scott_firebeta | Fiesty Fawn FTW | 16:07 |
| brousch | LTS FTW | 16:07 |
| Scott_firebeta | my current home PC came with this: http://origin.arstechnica.com/journals/linux.media/350/dell_ubuntu_cd.jpg | 16:09 |
| Scott_firebeta | 12.04 won't fit on a single cd? :( | 16:12 |
| snap-l | I think this is the first release that won't fit on a CD. | 16:13 |
| brousch | i like this linux on android installer. it is actually installing instead of just moving a big .img file | 16:18 |
| nullspace | 12.04 scroll bars are an improvement on the 11.04-11.10 versions | 16:22 |
| brousch | ug, the unity scroll bars. don't remind me | 16:23 |
| nullspace | ug unity, don't remind me | 16:23 |
| jrwren | what is this news about single CD? | 16:44 |
| jrwren | was it announced? | 16:44 |
| jrwren | or is it just a nightly that doesn't? | 16:44 |
| * jrwren testdrive updates. | 16:44 | |
| Scott_firebeta | I saw it on wikipedia | 16:44 |
| jrwren | bah | 16:44 |
| jrwren | lies. | 16:44 |
| jrwren | probably ubuntu haters :p | 16:44 |
| snap-l | I'd love to know why this SAX parser is seasoning my data with '\n ' | 16:45 |
| jrwren | its 709MB right now, that will probably fit in an ISO | 16:53 |
| jrwren | err, fit on a CD | 16:53 |
| brousch | oh man, you can pick pretty much any version of debian or ubuntu with that android installer. it just defaults to 10.04 for ubuntu | 17:01 |
| brousch | up through natty | 17:01 |
| Scott_firebeta | brousch: are you using the $2.49 Ubuntu Installer from the marketplace? | 17:10 |
| Wolfger | Chrysler sucks. Blocking all my http-to-irc sites. | 18:01 |
| Wolfger | How's things? | 18:02 |
| smoser | rick_h_, (or anyone)... | 18:04 |
| smoser | http://pythonadventures.wordpress.com/tag/ipdb/ | 18:04 |
| smoser | 'import ipdb as pdb' | 18:04 |
| smoser | how would i do that on ubuntu? | 18:04 |
| smoser | i'm hoping i can without easyinstall | 18:05 |
| rick_h_ | smoser: heh, if it's not packaged the easiest way is with easyinstall/pip | 18:07 |
| rick_h_ | else you could download/extract/setup.py | 18:08 |
| rick_h_ | as long as you had all the deps | 18:08 |
| smoser | i just dont like /usr/local | 18:08 |
| rick_h_ | smoser: if you don't need ipdb you can just pdb since it's built in | 18:08 |
| smoser | right. | 18:08 |
| rick_h_ | smoser: you bootstrapping an app in a venv or something? | 18:08 |
| rick_h_ | smoser: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7465445/how-to-install-python-modules-without-root-access | 18:09 |
| rick_h_ | if you can play with the python path for what you need | 18:09 |
| smoser | rick_h_, thanks. it seems as easy as | 18:10 |
| smoser | * git clone https://github.com/gotcha/ipdb.git | 18:10 |
| smoser | * PYTHONPATH=$PWD/ipdb ... | 18:10 |
| rick_h_ | smoser: as long as the setup.py doesn't have deps/is pretty bare yea | 18:11 |
| smoser | thanks rick_h_ | 18:17 |
| smoser | that seems good enough for ipdb. | 18:18 |
| smoser | i'll package that next cycle. | 18:18 |
| rick_h_ | ok, I laughed on the inside http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/q2oly/sourceforge_doing_it_wrong_%E0%B2%A0_%E0%B2%A0/ | 18:46 |
| snap-l | That's so stupid | 18:48 |
| snap-l | Machine Learning for Hackers--New from O'Reilly Media | 18:51 |
| rick_h_ | k? | 18:51 |
| snap-l | Hah, already bought it | 18:52 |
| snap-l | I'm suck a loser. | 18:52 |
| snap-l | s/suck/such/ | 18:52 |
| snap-l | O'Reilly sent an e-mail | 18:53 |
| rick_h_ | ah, gotcha | 18:53 |
| rick_h_ | yea, we bought it when the had the half off dela on it | 18:53 |
| snap-l | http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9781934356791.do?imm_mid=07f51a&cmp=em-orm-pr-pb-developers-code | 18:54 |
| snap-l | DOes this book seem pretty stupid to anyone else? | 18:54 |
| Aubury | Seems a bit of a waste of a book | 18:56 |
| brousch | no way. it has 50 nuggets. that's more than you can get at mcdonald's | 18:56 |
| jrwren | Wolfger: ssh home, use irssi. chrysler can't suck that bad :p | 18:56 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Chrysler sucks that bad | 18:57 |
| snap-l | Seriously, they have the worst nanny-filtration I've ever seen at a company | 18:58 |
| snap-l | At least at Ford you could get access to Telnet if your manager was so inclined. | 18:59 |
| ColonelPanic001 | snap-l: in a couple of weeks, prepare to meet your doom | 18:59 |
| snap-l | ColonelPanic001: I know I still have an IGS account | 19:00 |
| snap-l | not sure about KGS | 19:00 |
| snap-l | (really hope they're just the same thing rebranded) | 19:00 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I haven't used IGS, I don't think, but I can make one. I'm not that picky | 19:00 |
| snap-l | OK | 19:00 |
| snap-l | Reason I use IGS is all of the clients support it | 19:00 |
| ColonelPanic001 | KSG is just what I'm used to, but I don't really care much | 19:00 |
| jrwren | run SSH listening on 443 ;] connect. #win. | 19:00 |
| ColonelPanic001 | yeah, works for me | 19:00 |
| jrwren | gets through pretty much every rediculous nanny-filteration system | 19:01 |
| snap-l | jrwren: hope they don't do deep packet inspection #win | 19:01 |
| jrwren | how can you deep inspect SSL? | 19:02 |
| jrwren | oh you can't! | 19:02 |
| ColonelPanic001 | Bruce Scheier does deep packet inspection of SSL. In his head. | 19:03 |
| snap-l | http://www.terranpro.org/Tunnel%20SSH%20over%20SSL%20or%20HTTPS.html | 19:03 |
| jrwren | unless its a corproate owned machine and they install a trusted cert on it. | 19:04 |
| jrwren | snap-l: you realize that is what I suggested, just documented :p | 19:05 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Yes | 19:05 |
| jrwren | and OVERLy documented. | 19:05 |
| jrwren | you really don't need to make it that cmoplex. | 19:05 |
| snap-l | thought you just meant putting SSH on port 443, not tunneling SSH over SSL | 19:05 |
| snap-l | and frankly it might be better to just find another company to work at than deal with this. :) | 19:06 |
| brousch | ssh on 443 on your home server sounds reasonable to me | 19:06 |
| jrwren | yes, I mean run ssh on 443, so that you can get OUT, once you can get an ssh connection out, you can get any tcp connection out, we know this :) | 19:06 |
| jrwren | sudo /sbin/iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 443 -j REDIRECT --to-port 22 #see how easy that was. Now connect to "myhouse:443" WIHT YOUR SSH CLIENT :) | 19:07 |
| jrwren | I only know this shit because I did the same thing to get out of GM. | 19:07 |
| jrwren | GM/Chrysler/Ford... :) | 19:08 |
| snap-l | Chrysler's nanny-wall has become much worse since I was there | 19:08 |
| jrwren | even still, its not likely they are intercepting SSL. | 19:08 |
| snap-l | I'd be surprised if they even let 443 connections work. :) | 19:08 |
| jrwren | O_O | 19:08 |
| jrwren | well that would be a tough one then. | 19:08 |
| jrwren | why bohter with web at all tehn. | 19:09 |
| snap-l | "EVERYTHING SHOULD BE IN THE CLEAR. YOU SHOULDN'T NEED ANY SITE YOU CAN LOG INTO" | 19:09 |
| snap-l | Too bad it's not Daimler Chrysler, or I'd start singing "VERBOTENLAND" by Hanzel und Gretyl. | 19:10 |
| nullspace | snap-l: you could go through DNS | 19:11 |
| nullspace | it's painful but doable | 19:11 |
| snap-l | nullspace: How so? | 19:11 |
| nullspace | OzymanDNS | 19:12 |
| nullspace | it's tunnel ssh over dns | 19:13 |
| snap-l | That's messed up | 19:13 |
| nullspace | yeah it's slow too | 19:13 |
| snap-l | I'll bet. | 19:13 |
| nullspace | but they could log dns and they might flag unusal amount of traffic | 19:14 |
| snap-l | I'm sure no network admin in the world would question a flood of UDP packets coming from your machine. | 19:14 |
| brousch | bah. no one will notice him streaming HD pr0n through dns | 19:14 |
| nullspace | brousch: you'd be surprised | 19:15 |
| snap-l | brousch: Hell, doesn't need to be HD pr0n. Just negotiating keys would be significant. | 19:15 |
| nullspace | people have to read logs for them to be of any use | 19:15 |
| snap-l | nullspace: All of the network guys I've dealt with would notice something like this | 19:16 |
| nullspace | so many companies keep logs but do little to anything unless sirens start blaring | 19:16 |
| snap-l | Uriah Welcome would smell the traffic spike | 19:16 |
| snap-l | He's my go-to image of the omniscient network admin | 19:17 |
| nullspace | ok next idea. Use your phone | 19:17 |
| snap-l | nullspace: Chrysler has the perfect natural defense for that too: lead glass. | 19:18 |
| snap-l | It's like they thought of everything. | 19:18 |
| snap-l | ;) | 19:18 |
| nullspace | snap-l: ok new idea, write a malcious pdf that gives you a reverse shell, and route all your traffic through their box | 19:19 |
| nullspace | I meant your bosses computer | 19:20 |
| nullspace | sorry I have a headache and I'm skipping through my thoughts as I write | 19:20 |
| snap-l | nullspace: Just get hired into the corporate security, and bypass all of the nanny-state bullshit | 19:21 |
| snap-l | Seriously, I think they do more to make their employees want to act badly by restricting everything | 19:21 |
| nullspace | or compromise corporate security... | 19:21 |
| nullspace | snap-l: that is actually an idea forming in infosec | 19:22 |
| snap-l | Would definitely get you out of the firewall. ;) | 19:22 |
| snap-l | Well, seriously, if you treat your employees like children, they're likely to do even more childish things | 19:23 |
| nullspace | also filters tend to break teh CIA trianlge thus they break security | 19:23 |
| snap-l | punish the bad eggs, and save yourself $$$$ on filtering software costs. | 19:23 |
| nullspace | snap-l: you know the bad eggs from their sulfer smell | 19:24 |
| snap-l | nullspace: and you (and jrwren) hit it on the head: there are creative ways around any firewall. | 19:25 |
| snap-l | All of which put strain on otherwise normal services (DNS, web-based traffic), and are inefficient. | 19:26 |
| snap-l | SSH via UDP is clever, but it's not even remotely efficient. | 19:26 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Hanzel und Gretyl - Ich Bin Uber Alles | 19:29 |
| jrwren | snap-l: i only like the 2 first albums. | 19:30 |
| jrwren | snap-l: that one makes me :( | 19:30 |
| snap-l | Really? Why? | 19:30 |
| jrwren | cuz first two were great IMO | 19:31 |
| jrwren | the rest were nazi metal AFAICT | 19:31 |
| krondor | nullspace: gm/ford have SIEM solutions they would (if they deployed correctly) absolutely notice ssh via UDP. | 19:34 |
| snap-l | Considering I'm more likely to listen to "The Land Of Rape And Honey" onward, over "Twitch" and prior, I don't see a problem with this. ;) | 19:34 |
| krondor | but yes employment in infosec is the best bypass :) | 19:34 |
| krondor | snap-l: ++ I've observed first hand over zealous security's negative impact on an environment. | 19:46 |
| krondor | kids breaking computers (physically in schools) as policies locked them down too far. Back the security off a bit to let them change wallpaper and repair rates dropped. | 19:46 |
| krondor | does anyone know if apt.conf's Acquire::http::proxy has always been there or was it added at some version? | 19:48 |
| brousch | ah, i got ubuntu natty command line running on android. now to see if i can get a gui | 19:51 |
| brousch | and i just noticed Scott_firebeta asked what i was using: http://goo.gl/WM4nc | 19:52 |
| brousch | my decive was not supported, but i was able to download and install the APK from their web site | 19:53 |
| brousch | device | 19:53 |
| krondor | sideloading ftw, I haven't had time to mess with the thing yet. I'm very interested though. | 19:55 |
| brousch | hm, looks like the version on the website is a few months older than the current one in the market. oh well. it works | 19:56 |
| brousch | krondor: it's easy. just pick your distro and version, click some buttons in the order it tells you to. it downloads a barebones version of that distro and installs it. you ccess the command line on it via chroot | 19:59 |
| brousch | if everything goes right, i'll install kubuntu-desktop and x11vnc. this will give me a deskop i can access on localhost via vnc | 20:00 |
| rick_h_ | http://tatiyants.com/devops-is-ruining-my-craft/ jcastro you need to pull that into a talk sometime | 20:22 |
| jcastro | yep | 20:22 |
| brousch | http://shop.oreilly.com/category/deals/core-javascript.do | 20:24 |
| * rick_h_ hides so no one sees he has all three of those | 20:24 | |
| brousch | hard to turn down any oreilly book for $4 | 20:24 |
| krondor | jcastro: but what about the craftsmanship! The thrill of troubleshooting! | 20:33 |
| krondor | learning your kernel was compiled without 1 Gbps ethernet support when you swap a NIC, or Apache was built with -Oinfinity -fomit-neededThing | 20:34 |
| jrwren | git is so good sometimes I want to make sweet love to it. | 20:34 |
| brousch | he's turning linux servers into windows desktops! a system isn't working, shut it down and redeploy it | 20:34 |
| krondor | every third server was deployed with deadlineI/O while the rest had BFQ | 20:36 |
| krondor | how else can you find out who your good troubleshooters are if they don't have to wade through every sysctl setting | 20:36 |
| jrwren | lol | 20:43 |
| * snap-l feels like a punter because he doesn't use customer kernels | 20:43 | |
| snap-l | last time I used custom kernels was on a machine that was ill-suited to compile them. | 20:44 |
| snap-l | http://www.jorgecastro.org/2012/02/23/how-ubuntu-michigan-runs-jams/ | 20:53 |
| greg-g | snap-l++ | 20:57 |
| snap-l | http://decafbad.net/2012/02/23/how-to-jam-like-a-michiganian/ | 21:04 |
| brousch | oooh, this is snap-l's first ubuntu event as dictator isn't it | 21:05 |
| greg-g | release part back for 11.10? | 21:06 |
| greg-g | party | 21:06 |
| snap-l | Yeah, I've been dictator for some time. :) | 21:08 |
| snap-l | at least 4 months now | 21:09 |
| brousch | that doesn't count. only events that i attend count ;) | 21:11 |
| snap-l | https://www.eff.org/press/releases/eff-wins-protection-time-zone-database | 21:40 |
| greg-g | snap-l: thank the lord | 21:49 |
| greg-g | that was a stupid effing case | 21:49 |
| snap-l | I'm glad they decided that it was better to drop it | 21:49 |
| greg-g | though, it would have been a nice precedent | 21:52 |
| snap-l | Other than the "facts aren't copyrightable" precedents? :) | 21:52 |
| greg-g | well, the more cases where they try to argue "selection and arrangement" and other shit that get shot down the better | 21:54 |
| PainBank | I tried setting my network settings with http_proxy=http://..... | 22:36 |
| PainBank | but that didn't seem to do it. Is it because the computer isn't part of the domain of the proxy? | 22:36 |
| PainBank | I can ping computers on the network, just nothing outside the network | 22:38 |
| * snap-l just got the Basketball version of Tennis Football Basketball from Carnaval | 23:54 | |
| snap-l | Got big ol' CC logos on the disc and the back cover | 23:55 |
| rick_h_ | water going in the tank, wheeee | 23:55 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Awesome. :) | 23:55 |
| snap-l | Also listening to the Squeezbox classic in the living room | 23:56 |
| snap-l | which means one thing............. | 23:56 |
| snap-l | I HAVE TWO SQUEEZEBOXEN | 23:56 |
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