skaetupdates to the work items would be welcome.  If something is clearly not going to make it in this release,  now we're passed feature freeze,  would very much appreciate it being marked postponed if that is the case.01:34
JontheEchidnaI updated some of the orphaned (kubuntu-members assigned) ones that probably won't be done/were completed without being marked.01:47
schnelle_interesting blog post: Why Does Kubuntu Suck?10:04
schnelle_Why Does Kubuntu Suck?10:04
schnelle_one of the comments: 10:05
schnelle_I'm using Kubuntu since few years (with some breaks) and there are few things worse compared to other distributions:10:05
schnelle_1. blackscreen logout bug that isn't fixed for months/years.10:05
schnelle_2. another kdm related bug that prevents me to provide password for new user10:05
schnelle_this should be fixed for precise10:06
Tm_Thmmm, is those bugs reported?10:06
Tm_Tif yes, then link please10:06
Tm_Tif not, need to be reported ofcourse (:10:06
schnelle_it is well know kdm bug. it is here for at least 1.5-2 years10:07
schnelle_in kdmrc line "terminateserver=true" should be uncommented10:07
Tm_Tschnelle_: well-known bug should be reported already then (:10:08
schnelle_wait i'll find bugreport...10:08
Tm_Thmmm, now that you mention it, I recall that being discussed here at some point10:09
schnelle_Tm_T: yes here is talk from devel list : https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2012-February/005799.html10:09
Tm_TI wonder what's the upstream's take on it10:11
schnelle_Tm_T: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/65129410:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 651294 in xorg-server (Ubuntu Maverick) "X crash on KDM logout (still - yes, really)" [High,Confirmed]10:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 641712 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "Not possible to enter password for a new user in KDM (Maverick, Natty and Oneiric)" [High,Confirmed]10:15
Tm_Tinteresting bugs, as I don't get those10:19
yofelschnelle_: adding terminateserver=true is on my todo list before release10:19
yofelstill need to talk to upstream about the other settings10:20
Tm_Tyofel: how upstream took the server termination comment?10:20
schnelle_yofel: ok. And I think Qt patches for panel bugs are still not in. That is really important too 10:22
yofelTm_T: driver bugs, not their fault. But restarting X instead of resetting it is just a bit slower (you don't notice that in my experience), so still better to use it10:22
yofelschnelle_: iirc that's on fabo's todo list10:22
yofelhaven't seen him around for a while though10:22
Tm_Tyofel: indeed10:22
RiddellUDS sponsorships are being decided in the next week, if you want to go now is the time to apply12:00
mikecbfyi: http://www.nixternal.com/why-does-kubuntu-suck/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nixternal-kde+%28Richard+A.+Johnson+-+KDE+Archives%2912:07
Riddelllikes his provocative titles does nixternal12:11
RiddellI'm sure there's lots of good stuff in the comments but I don't have time or energy to go through them, hopefully nixternal will do that and summarise12:13
mikecbI could bullet point ones I think have merit later on, if that would be useful.12:13
Riddellsure, send it to kubuntu-devel12:14
Riddellnow if only Darkwing would publish the statement he wants to we'd have something to respond to the media with12:15
mikecbwhat is it?12:16
Riddella statement he came up with saying we are organising and will continue12:17
mikecbahh, to respond to worry about canonicals decision12:17
mikecbthat will be good12:18
Riddellyes, he's 95% done but not done the 5% it would take to get it published12:18
mikecbwe should have bill pullman read it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUdB8gCMcXI12:18
Riddellno no, we want Stephen Fry! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT7Vl4UpCEM12:21
Riddell(even though he's a massive apple fan and anyone using him for free software is just hypocritical)12:21
mikecbthat would be excellent12:23
mikecbhe was pretty great with the product reviewing on TG http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtyZnceZVPE12:25
Riddellfregl: ping?13:05
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BluesKajhowdy all13:48
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ScottKschnelle_: The password entry bug can also be worked around with a KDM settings change that's on yofel_'s list to discuss with upstream.14:25
ScottKSince when do we put patches in Qt that can never be upstreamed?15:44
RiddellScottK: I've a plan for that but it is longer term15:44
Riddelland it involves afiestas working out how to add it to the freedesktop spec, although he doesn't know this yet15:45
RiddellScottK: nothing can be upstreamed in qt 4 anyway, but sure it's a bad habit to get into for future use15:45
RiddellScottK: and of course it's tsdgeos's responsibility to keep the patch applying in the mean time15:46
tsdgeosafiestas: sorry dude, i'll pay you a beer next time, ok?15:47
Riddellafiestas: WM spec needs a new value, probably needs mgraesslin to work out what and then someone into freedesktop to get it into the spec15:47
ScottKOK.  It might be worth a post to kubuntu-devel to explain the plan.15:47
tsdgeosafiestas: btw very bad planned bringing ereslibre over and not having time to have a dinner with me :-P15:47
ScottKOtherwise people like me might look at the diff and get annoyed.15:48
afiestastsdgeos: we didn't went to barcelona but tarragona instead15:48
tsdgeosafiestas: i know, but he did come to the barcelona *airport*, that's close enough ;-)15:48
RiddellScottK: afiestas is coming to UDS especially to do freedesktop spec needs15:50
ScottKRiddell: Great.15:50
afiestaswell is one of the reaons I'd like to go so I can talk directly to relevant ubuntu-canonical people about that15:51
Riddellright what do I say for the release meeting?15:54
Riddell=== What was done engineering wise? ===15:54
RiddellI've been busy all week but I'm at a blank right now15:54
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ScottKYou made Qt work for unity-2d.15:55
ScottKWe updated seeds/meta15:55
ScottKYou did all the image building stuff for active15:55
Riddellmm yes, thanks15:56
Riddellbug 94039616:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 940396 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "lucid -> precise main all failed to upgrade: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of kde-runtime" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94039616:08
Riddellstarbuck: my test upgrade from oneiric worked fine so yours is a mystery16:11
Riddellif you still have the logs then you can work out how to file a bug with then16:11
Riddellubuntu-bug <something>  I forget the something16:11
Riddelllogs are in /var/log/dist-upgrade16:12
starbuckRiddell: i tested on another kubuntu vanilla 11.10 install and it was fine there too16:13
Riddellstarbuck: so maybe it is down to the extra bits you installed16:15
Riddellin which case it would be interesting to work out what incase others have the same issue16:15
yofel_Riddell: I forgot to file a bug, but my testupgrade failed with a pre-dependency error for docbook-xml16:17
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starbuckRiddell: oh well, i completely wiped the system, was going crazy anhow with project neon, gnumdk etc all mixed and matched :)16:18
Riddellstarbuck: probably the best thing :)  we'll keep an eye out for similar issues with other upgrades16:18
Riddellyofel: oneiric upgrade?16:19
yofelRiddell: lucid upgrade16:19
yofeloneiric went fine16:19
Riddellyofel: oh lucid is even less tested.  so different issue from bug 940396 ?16:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 940396 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "lucid -> precise main all failed to upgrade: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of kde-runtime" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94039616:20
yofelI'm just re-trying, different error16:21
RiddellScottK: get jason to expense your time, it would be worth canonical's $$16:40
ScottKRiddell: It occurs to me that you ought to convince the Uone people to switch to python3.  Since PyQt4 isn't on the Ubuntu images at all and python3 will be on the images already next cycle, they can go straight to python3 without affecting image size.16:53
RiddellScottK: yes, sounds like something I should bring up at UDS16:55
ScottKWe've got all of PyQt4 packaged for python3 now (except the opengl stuff)16:55
* yofel wonders when launchpadlib will grow py3 support16:56
ScottKnext cycle probably.16:56
RiddellScottK: lovely on the pyqt issue, do you know if pykde is python 3 happy yet?16:57
ScottKI didn't try it again recently.16:57
ScottKLast time I tried I couldn't get cmake to find everything it needed.16:57
debfxoh nice, when reporting a bug with apport it crashes and drkonq pops up16:58
yofeldebfx: bug 939597?16:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 939597 in apport (Ubuntu) "Automatic crash report generated by DrKonqi for Apport KDE." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93959716:59
debfxyofel: yep, backtrace looks similar17:00
debfxso which qt patch is broken this time?17:01
Ezimwhen will 4.8.1 tarball release again? (forgott)17:03
yofelEzim: http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.8_Release_Schedule tagging date17:04
Ezimyofel, thx and hi.17:04
Glennzhey guys ubuntu one in 12.04 is now qt, can it be included in kubuntu now?17:09
RiddellGlennz: no but it can be easily installed and we can look at it for 12.1017:09
ScottKActually I don't think the Qt one landed yet.17:10
ScottKAt least not all of the bits.17:10
ScottKThe SSO part in particular.17:10
yofelI know the sso qt client is in17:10
yofelwhat we don't have is a working secretservice daemon17:10
yofeland ksecrets is confusing me17:11
mikecb_are we going to try to sync secrets via u1?17:14
* ScottK hopes now.17:14
yofelbad idea anyway17:15
mikecb_no kidding17:15
Ezimis it known bug, but gtk application does not have icon when open it. (panel)17:16
yofelwhat does it have instead, a X?17:17
mikecb_Ezim: bug in the packaging perhaps?  happens to me with spyder17:17
Ezimyofel, exactly.17:17
mikecb_nm, spyder just has a blank space17:17
yofeliirc that happens when the desktop file and the application don't use the same icon17:17
yofellike with libreoffice17:17
Ezimyofel, okey so thats not a bug?17:17
yofelno idea, I've never looked into it17:18
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Ezimyofel, okey it looks kind weird.17:18
yofelit doesn't look nice, so you might as well say it's a bug17:18
Ezimpavucontrol works. example bkchem and like you mentioned libreoffice it instead use x-icon17:19
Ezim:) gtk should use qt instead17:22
Ezimbetter cross plattform17:22
yofelkeep dreaming :P17:22
Ezimyofel, :).17:23
Ezimhow is our kubuntu 12.04 going?17:23
Ezimany show-stopper?17:23
yofelupgrade issues from lucid, otherwise fine from my experience17:26
Ezimyofel, really nice. what is making problem upgrading from lucid?17:31
yofelEzim: update-manager messing up, and package conflicts17:34
Ezimyofel, okey. hope it will be fixed before 12.04 release.17:34
yofelEzim: well, we're supposed to do that, yes ;)17:35
debfxok, the apport crash is caused by unsafe multi-threading17:58
debfxhow does one debug pyqt4 applications?17:58
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nixternalapachelogger: I think my latest blog post got enough positive comments and info to start up a new project timelord :)18:36
yofelshadeslayer: ping18:37
ulyssesGallifrey rises again? o.O18:39
CIA-42[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace] Philip Muškovac * 619 * debian/ (4 files in 2 dirs) * Add stripes.png to kde-workspace-data-extras and install it again (LP: #937553) * Bump breaks/replaces of kde-workspaced-data-extras on kde-workspace-data18:46
peacesomeone here is alive?19:27
yofelnot really19:27
bulldog98yofel: I knew it you are a zombie19:27
peacei just did a service menu for vlc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmJJEuv1Mu419:28
bulldog98peace: sorry we are already in Feature Freeze19:28
peace:) oh ok 19:29
peaceanyway the code is here http://code.google.com/p/kde-peace-settings/source/browse/Vlc%20Append/vservice/vservicemenu-folder.desktop19:29
bulldog98so we can’t put that into the offical repros right now, also it would be better to do the packaging work within Debian, so we don’t have doublicated work19:29
peacei am not a packager19:29
bulldog98peace: maybe you should poke in the debian irc19:31
bulldog98or try to get it included into the offical release19:31
shadeslayeryofel: pong19:32
peacebulldog98: #debian-devel ?19:33
bulldog98peace: they are on an extra irc network check debian.org for that19:34
* bulldog98 doesn’t remember the name atm19:34
yofelshadeslayer: till when were you free again? 28th?19:36
shadeslayeryofel: I'll be free starting next thursday19:38
shadeslayerexams till thursday19:38
shadeslayeryofel: rbelem did you guys get Qt Compiled with clang? :P19:51
yofelshadeslayer: qt compiled fine, kdelibs interestingly did not19:52
yofelsome visibility error with QString19:52
yofelneed to build it again, sec19:52
swecarpEzim:  vann du20:20
Ezimswecarp, :) nee. fel fönster.20:21
rbelemshadeslayer, yup20:29
shadeslayercool! :D20:29
rbelemshadeslayer, i configured with this line ./configure -opensource -confirm-license -no-webkit -platform unsupported/linux-clang20:29
shadeslayerah, then my configure line was probably wrong20:30
yofelshadeslayer: http://paste.kde.org/42867820:30
shadeslayerthat's weird20:31
shadeslayerQString() is a public constructor20:31
yofelshadeslayer: it seems like there's something wrong with the preprocessor20:32
yofelor that QT_NO_ASCII... stuff is really enabled, but then this wouldn't build with gcc either20:32
shadeslayerrbelem: yofel: shouldn't it be something like const QString ("unix:tmpdir=/tmp")20:32
shadeslayeror better, QLatin1String("unix:tmpdir=/tmp")20:32
shadeslayeryeah, that *should* be QLatin1String("unix:tmpdir=/tmp")20:34
shadeslayeryofel: ^ Try replacing that with the above20:35
shadeslayerand then submit a patch to reviewboard :P20:36
yofelshadeslayer: in what file?20:36
yofelthe unix:tmpdir=/tmp stuff is in /usr/include/qt4/QtDBus/qdbusserver.h20:36
shadeslayer/usr/include/qt4/QtDBus/qdbusserver.h line 64?20:36
shadeslayeralso, interesting that it compiles Qt fine, but then throws up this error when compiling KDE20:37
bulldog98Riddell: do we have kwin in the seed? 20:43
yofelshadeslayer: there is a function that matches the requested syntax20:46
yofelit's just that for some reason QT_NO_CAST_FROM_ASCII seems defined20:46
Riddellbulldog98: I don't know, you can grep the seeds to find out21:42
Riddellkde-window-manager it is packaged as for some reason21:42
nixternaljeesh, a lot of these ubiquity bugs are old, >3 years21:43
Riddellnixternal: kde ones or general ones?21:44
nixternalkde ones21:44
nixternaltriaging the old ones now, but also testing out to see if the issues are still around21:44
Riddellyes it's pretty unmaintained21:44
Riddellthanks nixternal 21:45
nixternali can see why, ubiquity code base is a freakin' head ache to make sense of21:45
Riddellach I've never found it too difficult21:46
nixternalnot that it is difficult, just a little hard to make sense of at first.21:46
bulldog98Riddell: I discovered, that I hadn’t it installed on the tablet. Is it also in the metapackage?21:46
nixternalonce you figure out where everything is, then it isn't to shabby21:46
nixternalis it noted that everytime I logout of Kubuntu, and then log back in, kwin crashes?21:50
nixternalanother thing I noticed is now my krunner won't stay transparent unless i undock it from the edge, or leave it all the way to left if docked up top21:53
nixternalbrb, gotta reboot this machine21:55
Riddellbulldog98: apt-cache rdepends kde-window-manager21:57
Riddell ?21:57
bulldog98Riddell: it’s not in it21:59
bulldog98only full and desktop depend on it.21:59
bulldog98shouldn’t netbook also depend on it?21:59
nixternalok, the kwin crash only happens on my 11.10 box and not my 12.04 box. good to know21:59
nixternaland some cleaning of /var/tmp/kdecache-$USER fixes my krunner issue22:00
bulldog98can someone tell my why my system is running two apt-check processes if I do an apt-get update?22:03
yofelbulldog98: only? It runs one for every repository I have enabled22:07
yofelkills my eeePC usually22:07
yofelbulldog98: my workaround: /usr/lib/update-notifier/apt-check in line 12 add: sys.exit(0)22:08
yofelbreaks update notifications, but keeps my system working22:09
bulldog98yofel: thanks now it works quite good22:13
yofelbulldog98: I filed bug 746508 about that ages ago, feel free to add yourself to the waiting list22:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 746508 in update-notifier (Ubuntu) "apt-check uses too much resources (starts too many processes)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74650822:13
bulldog98yofel: why are things like that written in python?22:14
yofelbulldog98: if you remove the python one, it uses apt-get for the check, which IIRC uses even more resources22:14
bulldog98ah why is apt so slow?22:15
* bulldog98 has no problems on the exoPC it works very good22:15
yofeldon't ask me, I never looked deeply into this, all I want is for apt-check to run *ONCE* and be done22:16
nixternalheh, instead of verifying current ubiquity bugs, i am finding new ones :D22:16
JontheEchidnahuh, seems like apport-kde got shinier somehow. Didn't think anybody was touching it22:36
RiddellJontheEchidna: is that why it crashes?22:46
nixternali think i just saw apport-kde crash and open up dr. konqi to report it. or am i seeing things?22:49
JontheEchidnahuh, didn't crash here22:53
JontheEchidnathough I didn't go through the whole process22:53
JontheEchidnaperhaps you're seeing this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxcb/+bug/41950122:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 419501 in libxcb (Ubuntu) "apport-kde assert failure: python: ../../src/xcb_io.c:242: process_responses: Assertion `(((long) (dpy->last_request_read) - (long) (dpy->request)) <= 0)' failed." [High,Triaged]22:54
Riddellnixternal: right others have said that too22:55
RiddellJontheEchidna: others have also said it crashes on firefox and not on konqueror22:55
shadeslayerlooks like quasseldroid finally works :-D 23:20
Riddellshadeslayer: they updated it?23:21
shadeslayerits on the market now23:21
shadeslayerno tab complete tho23:22
shadeslayer5AM @_@ ...23:24
shadeslayernight once again ...23:24
Riddellor morning23:24
shadeslayerwell ... yeah23:24
shadeslayermy sleep cycles are all screwed up :'( 23:25
Riddella sign of keen youthfulness, enjoy it while it lasts23:28
nixternali can confirm that a lot of the OEM bugs in ubiquity-kde no longer exist23:44
nixternalnow, because of you Riddell I want to check the 10.04 release to see if any of the bugs during the pre-releases were fixed since then. :)  though you aren't the only one, Ara has some as well23:49
Riddellnixternal: but 10.04 is ancient?  why not test 12.04 candidates?23:51
nixternalalready tested the 12.04 ones. isn't 10.04 LTS?23:52
Riddellyes it is, dunno if it has any more updates due though23:52
nixternalthere is still another 1 of support left on it, so i would think you could do updates if needed23:55
nixternalif this 10.04 oem install doesn't crash during the final stage, i am closing your bug, and leaving you a <3 on the inside of the report :)23:56
Riddellnixternal: nothing else https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule23:57
nixternalafter all of this is done, there shouldn't be many, if any "hot" bugs left23:57
Riddellso not much point in caring about bugs, they can't be fixed now23:57
nixternalwell then, I can stop this and close those old bugs that aren't occuring in 12.04 then :)23:57
nixternali am wondering if a lot of the bug people had weren't due to the core ubiquity app in the first place. I just went throught, all the way to Lucid, and from Maverick on to now, there hasn't been many changes on the KDE side. It seems the rewrite occurred for Maverick. Lucid is a totally different beast23:59

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