[01:33] <skaet> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/group/topic-precise-flavor-kubuntu.html
[01:34] <skaet> updates to the work items would be welcome.  If something is clearly not going to make it in this release,  now we're passed feature freeze,  would very much appreciate it being marked postponed if that is the case.
[01:47] <JontheEchidna> I updated some of the orphaned (kubuntu-members assigned) ones that probably won't be done/were completed without being marked.
[10:04] <schnelle_> interesting blog post: Why Does Kubuntu Suck?
[10:04] <schnelle_> Why Does Kubuntu Suck?
[10:05] <schnelle_> http://www.nixternal.com/why-does-kubuntu-suck/
[10:05] <schnelle_> one of the comments: 
[10:05] <schnelle_> I'm using Kubuntu since few years (with some breaks) and there are few things worse compared to other distributions:
[10:05] <schnelle_> 1. blackscreen logout bug that isn't fixed for months/years.
[10:05] <schnelle_> 2. another kdm related bug that prevents me to provide password for new user
[10:06] <schnelle_> this should be fixed for precise
[10:06] <Tm_T> hmmm, is those bugs reported?
[10:06] <Tm_T> if yes, then link please
[10:06] <Tm_T> if not, need to be reported ofcourse (:
[10:07] <schnelle_> it is well know kdm bug. it is here for at least 1.5-2 years
[10:07] <schnelle_> in kdmrc line "terminateserver=true" should be uncommented
[10:08] <Tm_T> schnelle_: well-known bug should be reported already then (:
[10:08] <schnelle_> wait i'll find bugreport...
[10:08] <Tm_T> thanks
[10:09] <Tm_T> hmmm, now that you mention it, I recall that being discussed here at some point
[10:09] <schnelle_> Tm_T: yes here is talk from devel list : https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2012-February/005799.html
[10:11] <Tm_T> thanks
[10:11] <Tm_T> I wonder what's the upstream's take on it
[10:15] <schnelle_> Tm_T: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/651294
[10:15] <schnelle_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/641712
[10:19] <Tm_T> interesting bugs, as I don't get those
[10:19] <yofel> schnelle_: adding terminateserver=true is on my todo list before release
[10:20] <yofel> still need to talk to upstream about the other settings
[10:20] <Tm_T> yofel: how upstream took the server termination comment?
[10:20] <Tm_T> comment/issue
[10:22] <schnelle_> yofel: ok. And I think Qt patches for panel bugs are still not in. That is really important too 
[10:22] <yofel> Tm_T: driver bugs, not their fault. But restarting X instead of resetting it is just a bit slower (you don't notice that in my experience), so still better to use it
[10:22] <yofel> schnelle_: iirc that's on fabo's todo list
[10:22] <yofel> haven't seen him around for a while though
[10:22] <Tm_T> yofel: indeed
[12:00] <Riddell> UDS sponsorships are being decided in the next week, if you want to go now is the time to apply
[12:07] <mikecb> fyi: http://www.nixternal.com/why-does-kubuntu-suck/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nixternal-kde+%28Richard+A.+Johnson+-+KDE+Archives%29
[12:11] <Riddell> likes his provocative titles does nixternal
[12:12] <mikecb> indeed
[12:13] <Riddell> I'm sure there's lots of good stuff in the comments but I don't have time or energy to go through them, hopefully nixternal will do that and summarise
[12:13] <mikecb> I could bullet point ones I think have merit later on, if that would be useful.
[12:14] <Riddell> sure, send it to kubuntu-devel
[12:15] <mikecb> deal
[12:15] <Riddell> now if only Darkwing would publish the statement he wants to we'd have something to respond to the media with
[12:16] <mikecb> what is it?
[12:17] <Riddell> a statement he came up with saying we are organising and will continue
[12:17] <mikecb> ahh, to respond to worry about canonicals decision
[12:18] <mikecb> that will be good
[12:18] <Riddell> yes, he's 95% done but not done the 5% it would take to get it published
[12:18] <mikecb> we should have bill pullman read it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUdB8gCMcXI
[12:21] <Riddell> no no, we want Stephen Fry! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT7Vl4UpCEM
[12:21] <Riddell> (even though he's a massive apple fan and anyone using him for free software is just hypocritical)
[12:23] <mikecb> rofl
[12:23] <mikecb> that would be excellent
[12:25] <mikecb> he was pretty great with the product reviewing on TG http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtyZnceZVPE
[13:05] <Riddell> fregl: ping?
[13:48] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[14:20] <samuraitito313> hi
[14:25] <ScottK> schnelle_: The password entry bug can also be worked around with a KDM settings change that's on yofel_'s list to discuss with upstream.
[15:44] <ScottK> Since when do we put patches in Qt that can never be upstreamed?
[15:44] <Riddell> ScottK: I've a plan for that but it is longer term
[15:44] <ScottK> OK.
[15:45] <Riddell> and it involves afiestas working out how to add it to the freedesktop spec, although he doesn't know this yet
[15:45] <Riddell> ScottK: nothing can be upstreamed in qt 4 anyway, but sure it's a bad habit to get into for future use
[15:45] <afiestas> :o?
[15:46] <Riddell> ScottK: and of course it's tsdgeos's responsibility to keep the patch applying in the mean time
[15:47] <tsdgeos> afiestas: sorry dude, i'll pay you a beer next time, ok?
[15:47] <Riddell> afiestas: WM spec needs a new value, probably needs mgraesslin to work out what and then someone into freedesktop to get it into the spec
[15:47] <Riddell> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/qt4-x11/precise/view/head:/debian/patches/kubuntu_31_unity_workarea_atom.diff
[15:47] <ScottK> OK.  It might be worth a post to kubuntu-devel to explain the plan.
[15:47] <tsdgeos> afiestas: btw very bad planned bringing ereslibre over and not having time to have a dinner with me :-P
[15:48] <ScottK> Otherwise people like me might look at the diff and get annoyed.
[15:48] <afiestas> tsdgeos: we didn't went to barcelona but tarragona instead
[15:48] <tsdgeos> afiestas: i know, but he did come to the barcelona *airport*, that's close enough ;-)
[15:48] <afiestas> xD
[15:50] <Riddell> ScottK: afiestas is coming to UDS especially to do freedesktop spec needs
[15:50] <ScottK> Riddell: Great.
[15:51] <afiestas> well is one of the reaons I'd like to go so I can talk directly to relevant ubuntu-canonical people about that
[15:54] <Riddell> right what do I say for the release meeting?
[15:54] <Riddell> [15:54] <Riddell> I've been busy all week but I'm at a blank right now
[15:55] <ScottK> You made Qt work for unity-2d.
[15:55] <ScottK> We updated seeds/meta
[15:55] <ScottK> You did all the image building stuff for active
[15:56] <Riddell> mm yes, thanks
[16:08] <Riddell> bug 940396
[16:08] <Riddell> drat
[16:11] <Riddell> starbuck: my test upgrade from oneiric worked fine so yours is a mystery
[16:11] <Riddell> if you still have the logs then you can work out how to file a bug with then
[16:11] <Riddell> ubuntu-bug <something>  I forget the something
[16:12] <Riddell> logs are in /var/log/dist-upgrade
[16:13] <starbuck> Riddell: i tested on another kubuntu vanilla 11.10 install and it was fine there too
[16:15] <Riddell> starbuck: so maybe it is down to the extra bits you installed
[16:15] <Riddell> in which case it would be interesting to work out what incase others have the same issue
[16:17] <yofel_> Riddell: I forgot to file a bug, but my testupgrade failed with a pre-dependency error for docbook-xml
[16:18] <starbuck> Riddell: oh well, i completely wiped the system, was going crazy anhow with project neon, gnumdk etc all mixed and matched :)
[16:18] <Riddell> starbuck: probably the best thing :)  we'll keep an eye out for similar issues with other upgrades
[16:19] <Riddell> yofel: oneiric upgrade?
[16:19] <yofel> Riddell: lucid upgrade
[16:19] <yofel> oneiric went fine
[16:20] <Riddell> yofel: oh lucid is even less tested.  so different issue from bug 940396 ?
[16:21] <yofel> I'm just re-trying, different error
[16:40] <Riddell> ScottK: get jason to expense your time, it would be worth canonical's $$
[16:40] <ScottK> Heh.
[16:53] <ScottK> Riddell: It occurs to me that you ought to convince the Uone people to switch to python3.  Since PyQt4 isn't on the Ubuntu images at all and python3 will be on the images already next cycle, they can go straight to python3 without affecting image size.
[16:55] <Riddell> ScottK: yes, sounds like something I should bring up at UDS
[16:55] <ScottK> We've got all of PyQt4 packaged for python3 now (except the opengl stuff)
[16:56]  * yofel wonders when launchpadlib will grow py3 support
[16:56] <ScottK> next cycle probably.
[16:57] <Riddell> ScottK: lovely on the pyqt issue, do you know if pykde is python 3 happy yet?
[16:57] <ScottK> I didn't try it again recently.
[16:57] <ScottK> Last time I tried I couldn't get cmake to find everything it needed.
[16:58] <Riddell> mm
[16:58] <debfx> oh nice, when reporting a bug with apport it crashes and drkonq pops up
[16:59] <yofel> debfx: bug 939597?
[17:00] <debfx> yofel: yep, backtrace looks similar
[17:01] <debfx> so which qt patch is broken this time?
[17:03] <Ezim> when will 4.8.1 tarball release again? (forgott)
[17:04] <yofel> Ezim: http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.8_Release_Schedule tagging date
[17:04] <Ezim> yofel, thx and hi.
[17:09] <Glennz> hey guys ubuntu one in 12.04 is now qt, can it be included in kubuntu now?
[17:09] <Riddell> Glennz: no but it can be easily installed and we can look at it for 12.10
[17:09] <Riddell> umm..
[17:10] <ScottK> Actually I don't think the Qt one landed yet.
[17:10] <ScottK> At least not all of the bits.
[17:10] <ScottK> The SSO part in particular.
[17:10] <yofel> I know the sso qt client is in
[17:10] <yofel> what we don't have is a working secretservice daemon
[17:11] <yofel> and ksecrets is confusing me
[17:14] <mikecb_> are we going to try to sync secrets via u1?
[17:14]  * ScottK hopes now.
[17:14] <ScottK> now/not
[17:14] <mikecb_> lol
[17:15] <yofel> heh
[17:15] <yofel> bad idea anyway
[17:15] <mikecb_> no kidding
[17:16] <Ezim> is it known bug, but gtk application does not have icon when open it. (panel)
[17:17] <yofel> what does it have instead, a X?
[17:17] <mikecb_> Ezim: bug in the packaging perhaps?  happens to me with spyder
[17:17] <Ezim> yofel, exactly.
[17:17] <mikecb_> nm, spyder just has a blank space
[17:17] <yofel> iirc that happens when the desktop file and the application don't use the same icon
[17:17] <yofel> like with libreoffice
[17:17] <Ezim> yofel, okey so thats not a bug?
[17:18] <yofel> no idea, I've never looked into it
[17:18] <Ezim> yofel, okey it looks kind weird.
[17:18] <yofel> it doesn't look nice, so you might as well say it's a bug
[17:19] <Ezim> pavucontrol works. example bkchem and like you mentioned libreoffice it instead use x-icon
[17:22] <Ezim> :) gtk should use qt instead
[17:22] <Ezim> better cross plattform
[17:22] <yofel> keep dreaming :P
[17:23] <Ezim> yofel, :).
[17:23] <Ezim> how is our kubuntu 12.04 going?
[17:23] <Ezim> any show-stopper?
[17:26] <yofel> upgrade issues from lucid, otherwise fine from my experience
[17:31] <Ezim> yofel, really nice. what is making problem upgrading from lucid?
[17:34] <yofel> Ezim: update-manager messing up, and package conflicts
[17:34] <Ezim> yofel, okey. hope it will be fixed before 12.04 release.
[17:35] <yofel> Ezim: well, we're supposed to do that, yes ;)
[17:58] <debfx> ok, the apport crash is caused by unsafe multi-threading
[17:58] <debfx> how does one debug pyqt4 applications?
[18:36] <nixternal> apachelogger: I think my latest blog post got enough positive comments and info to start up a new project timelord :)
[18:37] <yofel> shadeslayer: ping
[18:39] <ulysses> Gallifrey rises again? o.O
[18:46] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace] Philip Muškovac * 619 * debian/ (4 files in 2 dirs) * Add stripes.png to kde-workspace-data-extras and install it again (LP: #937553) * Bump breaks/replaces of kde-workspaced-data-extras on kde-workspace-data
[19:27] <peace> someone here is alive?
[19:27] <bulldog98> sure
[19:27] <yofel> not really
[19:27] <peace> xD
[19:27] <bulldog98> yofel: I knew it you are a zombie
[19:28] <peace> i just did a service menu for vlc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmJJEuv1Mu4
[19:28] <maco> braaaaaaaaaiiiiinsssssssss
[19:28] <bulldog98> peace: sorry we are already in Feature Freeze
[19:29] <peace> :) oh ok 
[19:29] <peace> anyway the code is here http://code.google.com/p/kde-peace-settings/source/browse/Vlc%20Append/vservice/vservicemenu-folder.desktop
[19:29] <bulldog98> so we can’t put that into the offical repros right now, also it would be better to do the packaging work within Debian, so we don’t have doublicated work
[19:29] <peace> i am not a packager
[19:29] <peace> :D
[19:31] <bulldog98> peace: maybe you should poke in the debian irc
[19:31] <bulldog98> or try to get it included into the offical release
[19:32] <shadeslayer> yofel: pong
[19:33] <peace> bulldog98: #debian-devel ?
[19:34] <bulldog98> peace: they are on an extra irc network check debian.org for that
[19:34]  * bulldog98 doesn’t remember the name atm
[19:35] <nixternal> oftc
[19:36] <yofel> irc.oftc.net
[19:36] <yofel> shadeslayer: till when were you free again? 28th?
[19:38] <shadeslayer> yofel: I'll be free starting next thursday
[19:38] <shadeslayer> exams till thursday
[19:51] <shadeslayer> yofel: rbelem did you guys get Qt Compiled with clang? :P
[19:52] <yofel> shadeslayer: qt compiled fine, kdelibs interestingly did not
[19:52] <shadeslayer> :D
[19:52] <yofel> some visibility error with QString
[19:52] <shadeslayer> pastebin?
[19:52] <yofel> need to build it again, sec
[19:53] <shadeslayer> sure
[20:20] <swecarp> Ezim:  vann du
[20:21] <Ezim> swecarp, :) nee. fel fönster.
[20:29] <rbelem> shadeslayer, yup
[20:29] <shadeslayer> cool! :D
[20:29] <rbelem> shadeslayer, i configured with this line ./configure -opensource -confirm-license -no-webkit -platform unsupported/linux-clang
[20:30] <shadeslayer> ah, then my configure line was probably wrong
[20:30] <yofel> shadeslayer: http://paste.kde.org/428678
[20:31] <shadeslayer> that's weird
[20:31] <shadeslayer> QString() is a public constructor
[20:31] <shadeslayer> arg
[20:32] <yofel> shadeslayer: it seems like there's something wrong with the preprocessor
[20:32] <yofel> or that QT_NO_ASCII... stuff is really enabled, but then this wouldn't build with gcc either
[20:32] <shadeslayer> rbelem: yofel: shouldn't it be something like const QString ("unix:tmpdir=/tmp")
[20:32] <shadeslayer> or better, QLatin1String("unix:tmpdir=/tmp")
[20:34] <shadeslayer> yeah, that *should* be QLatin1String("unix:tmpdir=/tmp")
[20:35] <shadeslayer> yofel: ^ Try replacing that with the above
[20:36] <shadeslayer> and then submit a patch to reviewboard :P
[20:36] <yofel> shadeslayer: in what file?
[20:36] <yofel> the unix:tmpdir=/tmp stuff is in /usr/include/qt4/QtDBus/qdbusserver.h
[20:36] <shadeslayer> /usr/include/qt4/QtDBus/qdbusserver.h line 64?
[20:37] <shadeslayer> also, interesting that it compiles Qt fine, but then throws up this error when compiling KDE
[20:43] <bulldog98> Riddell: do we have kwin in the seed? 
[20:46] <yofel> shadeslayer: there is a function that matches the requested syntax
[20:46] <yofel> it's just that for some reason QT_NO_CAST_FROM_ASCII seems defined
[20:48] <shadeslayer> hmm
[21:42] <Riddell> bulldog98: I don't know, you can grep the seeds to find out
[21:42] <Riddell> kde-window-manager it is packaged as for some reason
[21:43] <nixternal> jeesh, a lot of these ubiquity bugs are old, >3 years
[21:44] <Riddell> nixternal: kde ones or general ones?
[21:44] <nixternal> kde ones
[21:44] <nixternal> triaging the old ones now, but also testing out to see if the issues are still around
[21:44] <Riddell> yes it's pretty unmaintained
[21:45] <Riddell> thanks nixternal 
[21:45] <nixternal> i can see why, ubiquity code base is a freakin' head ache to make sense of
[21:46] <Riddell> ach I've never found it too difficult
[21:46] <nixternal> not that it is difficult, just a little hard to make sense of at first.
[21:46] <bulldog98> Riddell: I discovered, that I hadn’t it installed on the tablet. Is it also in the metapackage?
[21:46] <nixternal> once you figure out where everything is, then it isn't to shabby
[21:50] <nixternal> is it noted that everytime I logout of Kubuntu, and then log back in, kwin crashes?
[21:53] <nixternal> another thing I noticed is now my krunner won't stay transparent unless i undock it from the edge, or leave it all the way to left if docked up top
[21:55] <nixternal> brb, gotta reboot this machine
[21:57] <Riddell> bulldog98: apt-cache rdepends kde-window-manager
[21:57] <Riddell>  ?
[21:59] <bulldog98> Riddell: it’s not in it
[21:59] <bulldog98> only full and desktop depend on it.
[21:59] <bulldog98> shouldn’t netbook also depend on it?
[21:59] <nixternal> ok, the kwin crash only happens on my 11.10 box and not my 12.04 box. good to know
[22:00] <nixternal> and some cleaning of /var/tmp/kdecache-$USER fixes my krunner issue
[22:03] <bulldog98> can someone tell my why my system is running two apt-check processes if I do an apt-get update?
[22:07] <yofel> bulldog98: only? It runs one for every repository I have enabled
[22:07] <yofel> kills my eeePC usually
[22:08] <yofel> bulldog98: my workaround: /usr/lib/update-notifier/apt-check in line 12 add: sys.exit(0)
[22:09] <yofel> breaks update notifications, but keeps my system working
[22:13] <bulldog98> yofel: thanks now it works quite good
[22:13] <yofel> bulldog98: I filed bug 746508 about that ages ago, feel free to add yourself to the waiting list
[22:14] <bulldog98> yofel: why are things like that written in python?
[22:14] <yofel> bulldog98: if you remove the python one, it uses apt-get for the check, which IIRC uses even more resources
[22:15] <bulldog98> ah why is apt so slow?
[22:15]  * bulldog98 has no problems on the exoPC it works very good
[22:16] <yofel> don't ask me, I never looked deeply into this, all I want is for apt-check to run *ONCE* and be done
[22:16] <nixternal> heh, instead of verifying current ubiquity bugs, i am finding new ones :D
[22:19] <JontheEchidna> ^^
[22:36] <JontheEchidna> huh, seems like apport-kde got shinier somehow. Didn't think anybody was touching it
[22:46] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: is that why it crashes?
[22:49] <nixternal> i think i just saw apport-kde crash and open up dr. konqi to report it. or am i seeing things?
[22:53] <JontheEchidna> huh, didn't crash here
[22:53] <JontheEchidna> though I didn't go through the whole process
[22:54] <JontheEchidna> perhaps you're seeing this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxcb/+bug/419501
[22:55] <Riddell> nixternal: right others have said that too
[22:55] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: others have also said it crashes on firefox and not on konqueror
[23:20] <shadeslayer> looks like quasseldroid finally works :-D 
[23:21] <Riddell> shadeslayer: they updated it?
[23:21] <shadeslayer> its on the market now
[23:21] <shadeslayer> wheeeeeee
[23:22] <shadeslayer> http://quasseldroid.iskrembilen.com
[23:22] <shadeslayer> no tab complete tho
[23:24] <shadeslayer> 5AM @_@ ...
[23:24] <shadeslayer> night once again ...
[23:24] <Riddell> or morning
[23:24] <shadeslayer> well ... yeah
[23:25] <shadeslayer> my sleep cycles are all screwed up :'( 
[23:28] <Riddell> a sign of keen youthfulness, enjoy it while it lasts
[23:44] <nixternal> i can confirm that a lot of the OEM bugs in ubiquity-kde no longer exist
[23:47] <Riddell> sweet
[23:49] <nixternal> now, because of you Riddell I want to check the 10.04 release to see if any of the bugs during the pre-releases were fixed since then. :)  though you aren't the only one, Ara has some as well
[23:51] <Riddell> nixternal: but 10.04 is ancient?  why not test 12.04 candidates?
[23:52] <nixternal> already tested the 12.04 ones. isn't 10.04 LTS?
[23:52] <Riddell> yes it is, dunno if it has any more updates due though
[23:55] <nixternal> there is still another 1 of support left on it, so i would think you could do updates if needed
[23:56] <nixternal> if this 10.04 oem install doesn't crash during the final stage, i am closing your bug, and leaving you a <3 on the inside of the report :)
[23:57] <Riddell> nixternal: nothing else https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule
[23:57] <nixternal> after all of this is done, there shouldn't be many, if any "hot" bugs left
[23:57] <Riddell> so not much point in caring about bugs, they can't be fixed now
[23:57] <nixternal> well then, I can stop this and close those old bugs that aren't occuring in 12.04 then :)
[23:57] <Riddell> right
[23:59] <nixternal> i am wondering if a lot of the bug people had weren't due to the core ubiquity app in the first place. I just went throught, all the way to Lucid, and from Maverick on to now, there hasn't been many changes on the KDE side. It seems the rewrite occurred for Maverick. Lucid is a totally different beast