[01:08] <immediately> I can't  sudo apt-get install virtualbox-4.1 because none????
[01:09] <Unit193> Try virtualbox, not virtualbox-4.1
[01:19] <immediately> I did yup
[01:47] <CellTech> I'm on Xubuntu. Should I switch to Lubuntu?
[01:48] <holstein> should?.. you should do what you like CellTech ... you can have both XFCE and LXDE and choose between them.. id say LXDE is lighter... XFCE is more like gnome2 was if thats your thing
[01:48] <Unit193> Ask that in the Lubuntu channel with no context?
[01:49] <h4ckm3> I use lubuntu
[01:49] <Unit193> Except far better ;)
[01:49] <h4ckm3> lighter and faster!
[01:49] <Unit193> Anywho, what makes you think you may want to switch?
[01:49] <h4ckm3> LXDE is also what I use on this fedora16
[01:49] <h4ckm3> very fast light and customizable
[01:50] <h4ckm3> do it... switch!
[01:50] <h4ckm3> or like holstein says, have both
[01:50] <Unit193> Or stick with what you already know. :P
[01:51] <h4ckm3> you won't learn anything that way!
[01:51] <CellTech> Well I've seen all the 'buntu's are the same
[01:51] <CellTech> some are just lighter and faster than others
[01:51] <h4ckm3> lubuntu ftw
[01:51] <CellTech> And that's what I know... Sorry for the 'flood'
[01:51] <Unit193> Well, try a live cd, see what you like, the config is a bit different though.
[01:52] <holstein> CellTech: the *buntu's have access to the same repositories of software... the look and feel are quite different.. for example, kubuntu and lubuntu... KDE and LXDE are quite different
[01:52] <h4ckm3> true
[01:52] <h4ckm3> kde can do some sweet stuff
[01:52] <CellTech> I just like the software ease
[01:53] <h4ckm3> but it is heavby
[01:53] <h4ckm3> kde has a lot of good software
[01:53] <h4ckm3> amarok for example
[01:53] <h4ckm3> though they can be run on alternate systems, just with extra dependencies
[01:54] <holstein> yup.. its all in the repos :)
[01:54] <CellTech> I just like light and fast
[01:54] <CellTech> And if lubuntu is that. I'm switching tonight
[01:54] <holstein> id say lubuntu is the lightest and fastest buntu variant
[01:55] <holstein> CellTech: but you dont need to *switch*
[01:55] <holstein> you can check lubuntu out live.. you can install LXDE... you can install lubuntu-desktop
[01:55] <holstein> you can have both
[01:56] <CellTech> Yeah. But I'm a fan of 1 os per system
[01:56] <Unit193> Yep, but you can check the live, just know Lubuntu is more configfile based.
[01:56] <CellTech> Nice.. Thank you
[08:06] <flamengo1> Hi. When I try to add-apt-repository I obtain that:  "raise NoDistroTemplateException("Error: could not find a " "   In addition, I can't manage repositories with synaptic (it doesn't open the popup for choosing them)  ... how can I fix?  (oneiric)
[08:10] <flamengo1> solved, nm
[08:12] <Unit193> Debian bug #513039 I'd think, what'd you do?
[10:16] <hyperair> hmm, how come lubuntu-software-properties is uploaded to the lubuntu-irc-ops ppa rather than lubuntu-desktop?
[10:21] <thor_> Chromium BUG,signalsender shows is to high in powertop, my cpu fan run all the time. firefox dos not have that problem
[10:41] <head_victim> thor_: if you think you've found a bug then I'd suggest reporting it against https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser
[10:44] <thor_> head_victim:  google chrome dos not have that problem.
[10:44] <Myrtti> I fail to see the connection?
[10:57] <KM0201> where can i download lubuntu 12.04?
[10:59] <valdur55> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/ - it's dailly builds.  For devs
[10:59] <KM0201> thanks
[11:00] <valdur55> Alpha2 : http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/precise/alpha-2/
[11:00] <KM0201> the daily is fine
[11:03] <valdur55> KM0201, join to #ubuntu-motu channel. There is Fixit Friday :)
[11:06] <KM0201> meh, i don't really have the time to participate much anymore
[11:06] <KM0201> wish i did, but i don't
[11:23] <valdur55> KM0201, ok!
[13:32] <KM0201> why is the install window for 12.04 black... you can't even read it
[13:34] <KM0201> no ideas?
[13:34] <valdur55> KM0201, known problem
[13:34] <KM0201> how the heck can you see to even install?
[13:34] <valdur55> Reboot -> Install Lubuntu
[13:35] <KM0201> oh ok.
[13:35] <valdur55> second option in splash screen
[13:35] <KM0201> gotcha...
[13:35] <KM0201> brb
[13:35] <valdur55> maybe it works, maybe not..
[13:35] <valdur55> but it doesn't load full live desktop
[13:39] <KM0201> so who went and jacked with the installer?
[13:39] <KM0201> it was fine the way i twas before.
[13:39] <KM0201> now it looks like some emo kid did it
[13:39] <KM0201> install ubuntu, or i'll cut myself
[13:40] <valdur55> KM0201, try Alpha2 release
[13:40] <valdur55> and then upgrade :)
[13:41] <KM0201> meh, i'm using the current daily.. it's already installing
[13:41] <KM0201> no big deal
[13:41] <valdur55> KM0201, oh... you booted to installer mode?
[13:41] <KM0201> no, i just booted live mode
[13:41] <KM0201> again
[13:41] <KM0201> you can read it, it's just hard.. gray on black is a little ridiculous
[13:42] <valdur55> ohcibi, it isn't full black window?
[13:42] <valdur55> Make screenshoot
[13:42] <KM0201> sorry, past it... you said it was known so i didn't bother.
[13:42] <KM0201> now (it's actually installing) it looks like the normal lubuntu install screen
[13:43] <KM0201> hard to believe its almost april..
[13:52] <KM0201> brb
[14:22] <valdur55> KM0201: Hey! It's theme problem... just not more
[14:22] <valdur55> KM0201: bugs on dailly builds are normal :)
[14:23] <KM0201> yeah, but.. that's kinda ridiculous.. not that i'm overly concerned about it..
[14:23] <KM0201> just hope it gets fixed
[14:24] <valdur55> KM0201: new theme is not 100% ready :)
[14:24] <KM0201> hmm
[14:29] <tertl4> any possibility of an early release for new ubuntu?
[14:32] <Myrtti> not really no
[14:32] <Myrtti> why?
[14:33] <tertl4> i am an eager beaver
[14:33] <tertl4> i always want moar moar moar
[14:33] <tertl4> maor ubuntu plz
[14:33] <Myrtti> then go ahead and install alpha/beta and break your system :-P
[14:33] <tertl4> ok, no
[14:34] <tertl4> i would just install arch instead
[14:34] <tertl4> or gentoo
[14:34] <tertl4> because I like my life to be difficult
[14:34] <tertl4> i put beach sand in my bed to make life difficult
[15:27] <kubanc> how do i setup display resolution, because i can only have 640x460 and lower resolutions?
[15:39] <holstein> kubanc: i would try arandr
[15:41] <kubanc> holstein, the problem is that i also get unable to load X server diplay configuration page for Nvidia geforce2 mx 400
[15:41] <holstein> kubanc: i would try forcing vesa with a custom xorg.conf
[15:42] <kubanc> what if i try older drivers?
[15:43] <kubanc> actualy i'm getting : Unable to load X Server Display Configuration page:
[15:43] <kubanc> Failed to query NoScanout for screen 0.
[15:43] <holstein> kubanc: you'll need to try something to get different results.. the vesa driver is what should work with any hardware... but go for it!
[15:46] <kubanc> holstein, OK, i'll try, can you give my some help. Probably first i need to do is uninstall nvidia drivers with command sudo apt-get --purge remove nvidia-*
[15:47] <holstein> kubanc: i would just use a custom xorg.conf that forces the vesa driver
[15:52] <kubanc> holstein, i did sudo/etc/init.d/lxde stop and the sudo X -configure. And now i get number of creater screens does not match number of detected devices
[15:53] <holstein> kubanc: not sure about your particular setup... i typically get a knoppix live CD when i run into trouble, and grab the xorg.conf from there... tweak a bit and drop it in to *buntu
[15:53] <kubanc> not a bed idea :D
[15:54] <holstein> kubanc: i think puppy linux could help with this too...
[15:56] <kubanc> i just copy xorg.conf to folder etc/X11/
[15:59] <holstein> kubanc: thats what i would try... i would familiarize yourself with where that file is, and how to get to it and edit it from a live CD... then, you can always go in and rename it *.bad or whatever and get back to where you are now
[15:59] <kubanc> well i deleted nvidia drivers, restarted and now the display is OK
[16:00] <holstein> yup... you likely dont *need* nvidia drivers... if you are here for the lighter desktop anyways
[18:47] <pmatulis> where can i put a shell script that should be run when i log in via lightdm?
[18:49] <phillw> pmatulis: take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#How_I_can_autostart_a_program_when_logging_into_Desktop
[18:55] <pmatulis> phillw: thanks
[19:14] <Unit193> pmatulis: While it's not quite recommended, if that doesn't work you can have a play with /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart just note that it'd be a global change.
[19:57] <pmatulis> Unit193: the first method failed, trying 2nd one now...
[20:02] <moes> Booting lubuntu-10.10 from live cd...high end computer boot screen show lubuntu-10.10 and o/s specs is correct...low end computer boot screen is purple ubuntu-10.10 and o/s spec are also ubuntu-10.10
[20:05] <pmatulis> Unit193: and it worked, thanks a bunch
[20:07] <Unit193> Great, just remember that's a global change, but glad that helped.
[20:07] <Unit193> moes: 10.10? Would be better to use 11.10
[20:13] <moes> Unit193, Please elaborate on how using a more powerful distro would eliminate my problem.
[20:14] <Unit193> Lubuntu 11.10 is the up to date version, Lubuntu 10.10 is older.  I'm not talking about changing anything but versions.
[20:25] <valdur55> Hey, Can someone paste  "bash -x xdg-open http://www.ubuntu.com" command outpud?
[20:25] <valdur55> output*
[20:26] <valdur55>  `bash -x xdg-open http://www.ubuntu.com`
[20:28] <pmatulis> Unit193: re global change, yeah, it's to set resolutions on multi-monitor (with xrandr) and to set up a 2nd language on the k/b
[20:29] <Unit193> valdur55: What part are you looking for?
[20:29] <valdur55> all :). and use paste.ubuntu.com for copy-paste
[20:36] <Unit193> http://pastebin.com/ZUyuTW8E
[20:41] <Unit193> valdur55: ^^
[20:42] <valdur55> thx...but what destkop you use? wich version?
[20:53] <Unit193> Lubuntu 11.10, but it's been over and under a lot.
[20:58] <valdur55> Unit193, can you run this command again and with bash -v :)
[20:59] <Migs_> i need sokme help you guys would be so king
[20:59] <Migs_> kind**
[21:00] <Unit193> !ask  | Migs_
[21:00] <Unit193> valdur55: Not really though.
[21:00] <valdur55> Unit193, it's not needed, i can check it myself :)
[21:01] <Migs_> alright then man, was just bein polite like, there seems to be little or no internet activity on my lubuntu, how can i address this issue?
[21:04] <Unit193> Lap...top, alrighty. That works I guess....
[21:32] <ErrorX> Just discovered lubuntu
[21:32] <ErrorX> lots faster then ubuntu
[21:38] <phillw> ErrorX: lubuntu is a slimmed down version
[21:39] <ErrorX> It's works fine
[21:40] <ErrorX> Ubuntu is too heavy for me
[21:41] <ErrorX> Are here users that switched for the same reason?
[21:42] <gordon1234> Agree ErrorX, lubuntu is good ... a few little issues with lxpanel, but other than that really good for low spec pcs.
[21:44] <ErrorX> may i ask what is lxpanel?
[21:44] <Unit193> The panel at the bottom.
[21:45] <ErrorX> I see
[21:45] <ErrorX> Made some adjustments
[21:46] <profus2> hi everybody ---> wanted to try out lubuntu live cd 10.10, no graphical interface starts, boot up ends on command prompt ---> any command to start graphics from there?
[21:47] <ErrorX> 10.10?
[21:47] <profus2> yep
[21:47] <ErrorX> Did you mean 11.10?
[21:47] <profus2> oh, i am not sure
[21:48] <ErrorX> cat /etc/issue
[21:48] <profus2> sorry, its 11.10
[21:51] <profus2> @errorx: is this a known problem, should I invest in searching for a solution at all?
[21:55] <ErrorX> I don't know
[21:56] <ErrorX> but do you have the richt version?
[21:57] <ErrorX> Cound you choose live or installation?
[22:01] <profus2> I choose live, because I wanted to test it ----> Boot up startet but ended on command line
[22:04] <ErrorX> Hmm, I am not known with this error hope someone here wil know
[22:04] <profus2> thanks anyway
[22:06] <ErrorX> Reboot may help?
[23:16] <david_j_r> Anyone here who can tell me how to restart Lxpanel?
[23:16] <iceroot> wxl: do we still need some debug on this "everything black" issue as talked yesterday?
[23:17] <iceroot> david_j_r: lxpanelctl restart    should do the job
[23:17] <david_j_r> That seems kind of simple. ;)
[23:18] <david_j_r> But did the trick nicely! Many thanks. :)
[23:18] <david_j_r> My icons all went AWOL, but it's back to normal now.
[23:19] <iceroot> david_j_r: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxpanel/+bug/906825 that?
[23:20] <david_j_r> Hmm.
[23:20] <david_j_r> Not sure, but could be.
[23:21] <david_j_r> I use "autohide" and panel at top,
[23:22] <david_j_r> and when it "dropped" down, I only had the wifi icon on the right and nothing on the left, but the menu would respond if I clicked where it was supposed to be. (Where the lubuntu logo is)
[23:22] <david_j_r> No idea what triggered that, though.
[23:24] <iceroot> david_j_r: if you are facing the issue again, can you look at "top" if lxpanel is going wild with 100% cpu usage? also what lubuntu version are you using?
[23:24] <david_j_r> I'm on 11.10
[23:25] <david_j_r> Just reading through the thread on the bug report.
[23:25] <david_j_r> I'm not sure if that's the same as what I had, as I was able to click on things and get a response.
[23:25] <iceroot> david_j_r: at the moment i am doing some debugging on that bug
[23:25] <david_j_r> do you know how I could try to reproduce it?
[23:25] <iceroot> david_j_r: ah ok, then it sounds different
[23:26] <iceroot> david_j_r: i can reproduce "my" bug with "opening many programs and quickly switch between them using the mouse on the lxpanel entries
[23:26] <Unit193> lxpanelxtrl restart, hit alt+F2 and type that in. Not sure if it's already answered.
[23:27] <david_j_r> There's also this suggestion (a bit vague): [quote]steps to reproduce: produce a very high cpu load (in this case it was a very high io-load), then switch windows by clicking on the entrys in lxpanel, after some seconds lxpanel crashed (100%cpu load)[/quote]
[23:27] <david_j_r> Unit193: yep, got that above, thanks (but "lxpanelctl" not "...xtl")
[23:28] <Unit193> Typo, and faulty memory, time to get a newer model....
[23:29] <david_j_r> ;)
[23:31] <david_j_r> Got something funky happening now, but not a "panel crash" or the like.
[23:32] <david_j_r> Got a bunch of things open, and I can Alt-Tab through them fine, but it draws the frames of each on the screen, and
[23:32] <david_j_r> if I try clicking on the bottom panel (where the windows are), the there's no response at all.
[23:32] <david_j_r> But my CPU is reporting 16% :)
[23:33] <iceroot> david_j_r: yes i was reporting this "vague suggestion"
[23:33] <david_j_r> Unless it was frozen, because it's working OK now.
[23:33] <david_j_r> :)
[23:33] <iceroot> david_j_r: but what you are reporting is exactly what "my" bug is about
[23:33] <david_j_r> iceroot: the problem I have with Lubuntu is getting the high CPU load. ;)
[23:33] <iceroot> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[23:33] <iceroot> ah wrong paste...
[23:34] <iceroot> david_j_r: that is not a big problem
[23:34] <iceroot> david_j_r: just copy some files, do "apt-get update" or something like that
[23:34] <david_j_r> no probs - What I'm getting NOW is yr bug, but when I first came on IRC it was different.
[23:34] <iceroot> just a little io-load is needed
[23:34] <iceroot> david_j_r: i have a fixed packaged uploaded on that bug "only for i386, 12.04)
[23:35] <iceroot> david_j_r: i was never facing the issue with my patched packages but the new packages from julien are reinstroducing the bug here
[23:35] <david_j_r> I'm on an older Toshiba laptop (A100 Satellite Pro)
[23:35] <iceroot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxpanel/+bug/906825/comments/10
[23:35] <iceroot> that is fixing the issue for me
[23:36] <iceroot> and at the moment i am trying to understand why my packages are working but the latest ubuntu-packages (also containing that patch) are not solving the problem
[23:39] <wxl> iceroot: i've heard of no such progress on it
[23:39] <wxl> murmurings but that's about it
[23:39] <david_j_r> I've got some real hanging going on here - one of the progs I started to up the CPU load was Stellarium, and its still in panel though I killed it in Task Manager.
[23:39] <iceroot> david_j_r: because of the missing redraw
[23:40] <david_j_r> Ah right - it's also in icon list when alt-tabbing through open apps.
[23:40] <iceroot> then its not killed
[23:40] <iceroot> !info lxpanel oneiric
[23:40] <david_j_r> although no longer showing in task mgr?
[23:41] <iceroot> david_j_r: is it shown in "ps aux | grep name_of_the_program?
[23:41] <wxl> iceroot: you're subscribed to this right? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-artwork/+bug/938472
[23:41] <iceroot> wxl: yes, i did the last comment and merged other bugs
[23:41] <wxl> iceroot: thought that was you
[23:42] <iceroot> hm, are firefox and thunderbird gtk?
[23:42] <wxl> iceroot: i got a full (not virtual) precise install going on. going to try to emulate ppc in qemu and see if i can do a virtual install that way.
[23:42] <wxl> pretty sure they are not
[23:42] <david_j_r> iceroot: as I started lxterminal, stellarium finally disappeared.
[23:43] <iceroot> wxl: i am facing that bug on i386
[23:43] <iceroot> david_j_r: ah ok
[23:43] <wxl> iceroot: right, that one is universal it seems-- there's also a confirmation on amd64
[23:43] <iceroot> wxl: yes, i will update the tags because ppc is confusing (me)
[23:44] <iceroot> done
[23:44] <wxl> iceroot: check this out https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/gtk-native/ - makes me think that firefox is actually gtk
[23:44] <wxl> actually i think i'll try running that addon and see what happens
[23:44] <wxl> !
[23:46] <iceroot> wxl: http://alpha-unix.de/~iceroot/ubuntu/evolution-in-black.png i added that to the bug
[23:49] <wxl> iceroot: despite the ubuntu in the url this is lubuntu, yes?\
[23:50] <iceroot> wxl: of course
[23:51] <iceroot> latest lubuntu 12.04
[23:53] <wxl> iceroot: therefore the issue must be the gtk theme in lubuntu-artwork. makes sense.
[23:53] <iceroot> wxl: yes
[23:53] <iceroot> wxl: and firefox/thunderbird are using there own theme
[23:54] <wxl> iceroot: right. unless that add on is implemented. i will try it out tonight!
[23:54] <iceroot> wxl: everything else (gedit, evolution, nm-applet and so on) are using the lubuntu settings
[23:54] <wxl> iceroot: what about chromium? is there a way to use default gtk?
[23:55] <iceroot> wxl: i dont know, at the moment i am using this (strage) blue theme
[23:55] <iceroot> have not found an option to use standard gtk from lubuntu there
[23:55] <wxl> hold i have a lead on it
[23:56] <iceroot> if you found something can you add that to the bug or write me a message here? i am out for today
[23:56] <wxl> if you're registered i can send a message with memoserv
[23:57] <wxl> or do you just idle away like the rest of us? :D
[23:57] <iceroot> wxl: i am always online here, ssh + irssi ftw :)
[23:57] <iceroot> + screen
[23:57] <wxl> indeed, indeed
[23:57] <wxl> + tmux!
[23:57] <iceroot> !info tmux
[23:57] <iceroot> like this?
[23:57] <iceroot> !info terminator
[23:57] <wxl> yep
[23:57] <wxl> try it out
[23:57] <wxl> it's very very nice
[23:58] <wxl> it's a screen replacement
[23:58] <wxl> not terminator
[23:58] <iceroot> ah ok
[23:58] <wxl> anywho click the wrench on chromium
[23:58] <wxl> then preferences > personal stuff > appearance > use gtk+ theme
[23:58] <iceroot> i will do