[00:00] <cheako> I also wonder about performance.  Usually you'll want one of the two and for something that you will likely use for five years or more the extra up-front cost will be well worth it, if it's budgetable.
[00:01] <tomodachi> well to honest our developers claimed that the performance of the dell powervault to be superior to the netapp
[00:02] <cheako> tomodachi: Using Dell switches?  I'm highly suspicious of them.
[00:03] <penguin42> the Dell Equalogic boxes are quite nice (or were)
[00:04] <tomodachi> cheako: they call some of their storage products that
[00:04] <tomodachi> think its this one http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/powervault-nx3500/pd?~ck=
[00:04] <tomodachi> im not the one who ordered it , fairly pleased with the netapp
[00:04] <tomodachi> this stuff is more "beta"
[00:04] <tomodachi> for me
[00:06] <ActionParsnip> we use netapp at work, its awesome
[00:19] <bjrohan> Anyone here by chance?
[00:19] <penguin42> shhhh we're sleeping
[00:20] <bjrohan> ok
[00:20] <bjrohan> :-)
[00:20]  * Daekdroom is insomniac
[00:20] <penguin42> what is the nature of your question?
[00:20] <bjrohan> easy for some complicated for others :-)
[00:20] <ActionParsnip> bjrohan: are you using precise?
[00:21] <bjrohan> I have a home wireless network through a router. I had 11.10 on both machines. I updated the laptop to 12.04 Alpha 2, and now I can not file share :-(. I can however desktop share
[00:21] <bjrohan> ActionParsnip: nice seeing you here again
[00:21] <bjrohan> ActionParsnip:  I have precise on laptop, 11.10 on desktop
[00:22] <ActionParsnip> bjrohan: the precise bit may be the issue
[00:22] <penguin42> bjrohan: Can't share in either direction?
[00:22] <bjrohan> Good, in a way
[00:22] <ActionParsnip> bjrohan: are there any bugs reported?
[00:22] <bjrohan> correct not in either direction
[00:22] <ActionParsnip> the systems can see their own shares though, just not the other system's
[00:23] <bjrohan> The day before I upgraded laptop, I removed my wireless router and connected computers via wireless modem (from dsl company) so I don't know if it was switching the modem piece, or the upgrade piece
[00:23] <bjrohan> ActionParsnip: that is what it looks like to me via smbtree. I am a Linux newbie (about 2 months).
[00:27] <ActionParsnip> bjrohan: then why are you using alpha releases
[00:27] <ActionParsnip> bjrohan: it is still quite buggy and will cause issues.
[00:27] <bjrohan> ActionParsnip: glutton for punishment? When I upgraded, didn't realize it was alpha, thought beta :-(
[00:28] <bjrohan> I do the same with my android phones, but I understand those much better (Root, ROM's, customizing etc)
[00:28] <ActionParsnip> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
[00:28] <ActionParsnip> not beta til March 1st
[00:29] <ActionParsnip> bjrohan: android can access samba shares with andsmb
[00:30] <penguin42> bjrohan: I guess if I was trying to debug a sharing issue like that I might take something like wireshark to it to see what was actually going over the network, and there are some other samba tools to prod the other end to see what's around - but I've not debugged samba issues for years
[00:30] <bjrohan> I had no idea on the android smb
[00:31] <ActionParsnip> it can connect to ssh with and-ftp
[00:32] <bjrohan> I have used gui's in the past android VNC for desktop sharing. recently though I haven't been able to get a dynamic dns to work with the generic dsl modem. I have dd-wrt running on the wireless router that crapped out
[00:32] <bjrohan> I know about enough to cause me trouble
[00:34] <ActionParsnip> bjrohan: there is a dyndns client on ubuntu which you can install
[00:34] <ActionParsnip> i use noip2 as I use no-ip.com for the same purpose
[00:35] <tomodachi> bjrohan: i use ddclient as a dyndns client
[00:35] <bjrohan> I have a no-ip account, didn't realize you can run it on Ubuntu, and not on the modem/router
[00:35] <bjrohan> I will take a look, will make it far easier
[00:35] <ActionParsnip> !info noip2
[00:35] <bjrohan> darn
[00:36] <ActionParsnip> !info noip2 oneiric
[00:36] <bjrohan> everything works okay for me currently, the only issue with no file share is auto backup of laptop
[00:36] <ActionParsnip> ubottu is wrong, it's in the universe repo
[00:36] <bjrohan> hehehehe
[00:37] <ActionParsnip> http://paste.ubuntu.com/854787/
[00:37] <ActionParsnip> oops thas oneiric
[00:38] <bjrohan> So I can set up ddclient with my noip account, then be able to use smb ob my Galaxy Nexus, as well as VNC? Currently I am using TeamViewer free on nexus and ubuntu laptop
[00:40] <ActionParsnip> bjrohan: i wouldnt use vnc over WWW
[00:40] <bjrohan> ok
[00:40] <ActionParsnip> bjrohan: why do you use teamviewer / vnc?
[00:40] <ActionParsnip> bjrohan: what do you do on the remote system?
[00:41] <bjrohan> In all honesty, nothing. I do find that every once in a while it would be nice to have access to files on my home computers when I an out and about. Not necessary to have control of the computers themselves
[00:42] <bjrohan> I had just found things like teamviewer easy to give me access to email the file to someone or myself
[00:42] <ActionParsnip> bjrohan: you can use sftp and samba for file access
[00:42] <bjrohan> As I now Know :-)
[00:43] <bjrohan> I will delve into it. Do you know if no-ip will give 2 different accounts? I would like to set one up for my laptop, and one for desktop, my laptop of course is not always behind the same router
[00:44] <ActionParsnip> bjrohan: the no-ip etc keeps the WAN IP of your router up to date for the name you have
[00:44] <ActionParsnip> bjrohan: yu don't have one for each PC, unless you have 2 internet connections and 2 routers
[00:44] <bjrohan> What if I have my laptop somewhere else in the world, and not connected to my home network (rare but happens)
[00:45] <ActionParsnip> bjrohan: to connect to 2 different systems behind the same router, you will need to port forward a oprt for each system and each service you connect to
[00:45] <ActionParsnip> bjrohan: if your laptop is outside your LAN, you will use your dns name to access your system back at home
[00:46] <bjrohan> correct, but what if laptop is not behind my home network, but somewhere else?
[00:47] <bjrohan> I will do first things first and try to set up the centurytel dsl modem to work with no ip
[00:48] <bjrohan> that is done on the modem correct? then port forward to appropriate computer
[00:48] <ActionParsnip> bjrohan: the port forward is done in the router
[00:48] <ActionParsnip> bjrohan: if your system is inside the LAN it will use the class C IP or the server's name
[00:49] <bjrohan> correct. when I had dd-wrt on a router, I could tell it my no-ip acct info, and it would stay updated
[00:49] <ActionParsnip> bjrohan: if you are outside the LAN you will use the name you have with noip etc and the port forwarding will happen
[00:49] <ActionParsnip> bjrohan: if you install the noip client on the laptop and go outside yur LAN, the updated name's IP will update for the IP where the laptop is and it won't work
[00:50] <ActionParsnip> bjrohan: you only need the update app on the system which is inside the LAN so that if your WAN IP changes, it is updated in the DNS
[00:51] <bjrohan> Gotcha. So set up ddclient on the desktop, since it is always behing the DSL modem with wireless router
[00:51] <bjrohan> and then port forward router to desktop, and to laptop (plus any other compter I wish to add)
[00:52] <bjrohan> and use ports 5900 and 5800?
[00:52] <ActionParsnip> bjrohan: i wouldnt use vnc over WAN, it has zero security
[00:53] <bucky> i'm getting this error after an apt-get upgrade Internal Error, No file name for libgcc1
[00:53] <bjrohan> correct. I just want to set this up for file sharing via my phone, not vnc
[00:53] <dmj726> Did the keyboard shortcuts for switching workspaces just get changed in 12.04?
[00:53] <bucky> anyone else run into this?
[00:54] <ActionParsnip> bjrohan: then install openssh-server and you will get an sftp server by default.
[00:54] <penguin42> bucky: Haven't seen that
[00:54] <ActionParsnip> bucky: any bugs reported?
[00:54] <bucky> 'mkay
[00:55] <bjrohan> ActionParsnip: I still need to set up the dynamic dns correct?
[00:55] <bucky> googled and haven't found any.. I'll look some more
[00:56] <ActionParsnip> bucky: try: http://paste.ubuntu.com/854800/
[00:56] <ActionParsnip> bjrohan: if you want the name to be updated if and when your IP of your home router changes, yes
[00:57] <bjrohan> Okay. I don't think it will, but I hate to be 1,000 miles away, and it does
[00:57] <arand> dmj726: Someone mentioned it here before, I guess it might be so.
[00:58] <dmj726> wondering if it was a bug or an intentional change
[00:59] <dmj726> has anyone else updated their precise today and had it happen?
[00:59] <dmj726> also, thanks to the change you have to look at the keyboard shortcuts while switching workspaces :P
[01:06] <ActionParsnip> bjrohan: indeed, plus its light :)
[01:06] <bjrohan> I just redid my dyndns account for the free trial, then cancelled, to get the 1 free hostname
[01:10] <bjrohan> What are the common ports to forward for computer access?
[01:10] <ActionParsnip> bjrohan: TCP/22
[01:11] <bjrohan> how do I do that with 2 different computers I want to access?
[01:14] <ActionParsnip> bjrohan: you will need to use a different port for the other system but forward it to port 22 on the other system
[01:15] <bjrohan> Gotcha. port forward 23 on the router to 22 on the computer
[01:15]  * penguin42 generally prefers to use something other than 22 externally anyway - 22 gets portscanned like hell
[01:16] <bjrohan> Gotcha.  What should I use to best access (preferably gui based) files on my home computer via my Nexus? ftp, smb?
[01:17] <urfr332gO> yowsa my unity panel turned green
[01:21] <ActionParsnip> bjrohan: if you just want file access, why do you need a GUI?
[01:22] <bjrohan> So I can see my files easier.
[01:22] <ActionParsnip> bjrohan: the file browser you use will show the files
[01:22] <bjrohan> Gotcha, like ES File Browser on android?
[01:23] <bjrohan> I just downloaded andsmb to check it out it is GUI
[01:23] <ActionParsnip> bjrohan: no idea what ES file browser is, sorry
[01:25] <bjrohan> just a file browser for android
[01:26] <bjrohan> I have dyndns configured on my dsl modem/router. To enable ftp for my Ubuntu laptop, do I need to install the ftp server?
[01:27] <ActionParsnip> bjrohan: openssh-server gives an sftp server
[01:28] <bjrohan> Ah, it looks like I have it installed on my laptop already. so now portforward port on my modem to which port on my laptop?
[01:29] <ActionParsnip> bjrohan: the port on the desktop you mean...#
[01:29] <bjrohan> First, how can I tell that the openssh server is running?
[01:30] <bjrohan> yes, the port on my computer
[01:30] <bjrohan> so tell me modem to port forward say, port 30, to port XX on my laptop
[01:30] <ActionParsnip> bjrohan: port 22 to port 22 on the server, thought that was obvious..
[01:31] <bjrohan> penguin recommended a different port
[01:31] <bjrohan> then if I want to do a different computer, port forward 23 to 22 on the second computer
[01:40] <bucky> ActionParsnip, that paste you gave me solved it... thank you
[01:41] <ActionParsnip> bucky: its a handy script of mine
[01:42] <bucky> you nailed it
[01:42] <bucky> dmj726, Holding down the ‘Super’ key displays a Keyboard shortcut overlay on the desktop
[01:42] <bucky> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/02/unity-5-2-lands-in-precise-brings-numerous-changes/
[01:43] <dmj726> bucky: yes
[01:43] <dmj726> but when I updated precise today, I noticed that the keyboard shortcut for changing workspaces had changed
[01:43] <bucky> hmm... ic
[01:44] <dmj726> it had been ctrl+alt+<arrow> for years
[01:44] <dmj726> after updating precise super+shift+<arrow> changed workspaces instead
[01:45] <dmj726> I'm not sure it the changing of keyboard shortcuts was a bug on my computer's part or a deliberate change in Ubuntu
[01:45] <bucky> ah! thanks for the tip... i hate changes like those because i'm getting senile
[01:45] <penguin42> that would be horrible - especially for those of us with Model-M keyboards :-)
[01:46]  * ActionParsnip only uses one workspace...
[01:46] <bucky> haha
[01:46] <penguin42> ActionParsnip: But where do you put everything......
[01:47] <jbicha> dmj726: the new keyboard shortcuts were an intentional change
[01:47] <dmj726> ah, why were they changed?
[01:49] <ActionParsnip> penguin42: like what?
[01:50] <jbicha> Design thought it was a good idea, maybe to make more of the Unity shortcuts revolve around the Super key
[01:50] <penguin42> ActionParsnip: The other 140 windows!
[01:50] <arand> Yeah looking at http://launchpadlibrarian.net/93988471/unity_5.4.0-0ubuntu1_5.4.0-0ubuntu2.diff.gz it's clearly intentional... as to why, no clue...
[01:51] <ActionParsnip> penguin42: I use 2 or 3 windows, tops
[01:52] <ActionParsnip> penguin42: browser and pidgin, the rest I do ni guake which hides and shows when I hit F12
[01:53] <penguin42> ActionParsnip: 6 on this machine about 10-15 on the other one - I open windows everywhere; my desktop is like my real desk; just as unorganised
[01:54] <ActionParsnip> penguin42: probably why you use the desktops feature, the others are completely unused here, so I remove the workspaces and save RAM
[01:54] <bjrohan> ActionParsnip: openssh is an ftp server?
[01:55] <log> !info openssh | bjrohan
[01:55] <bjrohan> ActionParsnip: rather openssh-server is an ftp server? I am trying to access it as such from my phone to no avail
[01:55] <log> er
[01:55] <bjrohan> yes it does ubottu
[01:55] <log> !info openssh-server precise | bjrohan
[01:55] <log> "Only available for any all"
[01:55] <log> That makes sense.
[01:55]  * log pets ubottu.
[01:55] <bjrohan> :)
[01:56] <ActionParsnip> bjrohan: it gives a secure ftp server, hence sftp
[01:56] <penguin42> note sftp != ftp
[01:56] <ActionParsnip> bjrohan: openssh isnt a package
[01:56] <bjrohan> ahh
[01:56] <ActionParsnip> !info openssh-client
[01:56] <ActionParsnip> !info openssh-server
[01:56] <bjrohan> that is prolly the issue, ES File Explorer only gives ftp option, not sftp
[01:56] <ActionParsnip> bjrohan: not openssh
[01:56] <penguin42> bjrohan: ftp is hopelessly insecure
[01:57] <penguin42> actually, think of a word 10 times worse than hopelessly
[01:57] <ActionParsnip> ftp should die
[01:57] <penguin42> nod
[01:58] <bjrohan> given the issues I am having with Samba on the inside of my LAN between desktop and laptop running Precise, probably shouldn't try to set up SMB on Galaxy Nexus just yet?
[01:58] <penguin42> yeh, get it working in the simple case first
[01:59] <bjrohan> I can access my laptop via connecting my Nexus to LAN just fine, not trying to get it to access it outside lan (using dyndns)
[02:01] <bjrohan> How do I set up username password in openssh server?
[02:02] <bjrohan> with andFTP it says I am connected, but no files are showing :-(
[02:08] <ActionParsnip> bjrohan: andsmb can connect to samba shares just dandy. I use it over wifi instead of slowass bluetooth
[02:09] <ActionParsnip> bjrohan: you set the username and password in the app
[02:10] <bjrohan> Is there a default username and password on openSSH server, or in my phone app just leave it blank? When I do, it says it can't confirm credentials
[02:11] <bjrohan> authentication failed. I assume that means it is at least finding my laptop (dyndns and port forwarding are working okay)
[02:16] <ActionParsnip> bjrohan: its your ubuntu username and password
[02:16] <bjrohan> I connected my Nexus to my home network, and accessed my desktop via andsmb :-)
[02:20] <bjrohan> Gotcha
[02:50] <bjrohan> ActionParsnip: I can access both my desktop and laptop (12.04) via connecting my Nexus to my home network. Odd that I can connect to both, but the desktop and laptop can't connect to each other
[02:50] <bjrohan> ActionParsnip: I am however having issues connecting to either using my dyndns handle, any suggestions?
[02:52] <bjrohan> ActionParsnip: I have tried using my IP address, and it will still not connect, any ideas their as well?
[02:55] <ActionParsnip> bjrohan: you can connect to sftp via nautilus :)
[02:55] <bjrohan> How do I do that?
[02:59] <bjrohan> I went into server settings in Nautilus, then added the same info I have on my Nexus, and it says it can't find the server :-(
[03:00] <ActionParsnip> bjrohan: in the menus of nautilus, there is a 'connect to server' option (or similar), select ssh and type your credentials of the server system...
[03:00] <bjrohan> Yep, that is what I did, odd it can't log in, very odd
[03:01] <bjrohan> Identical credentials and settings I used to log in via my phone
[03:01] <snadge> is anyone going to fix fglrx? i just complained abot it on the unity channel, but they appear to be busy developing stuff
[03:02] <snadge> is anyone responsible for making sure it works? it doesnt appear so
[03:02] <micahg> snadge: bug #?
[03:02] <snadge> im on my phone, so harder for me to dig it up, one moment
[03:03] <micahg> snadge: you can ping me later with it if you like, or hop into #ubuntu-bugs sometime during the european or american work days
[03:04] <snadge> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/770283
[03:05] <snadge> theres also an unrelated bug thats more recent, x just crashes when you play a video with totem/gstreamer
[03:05] <snadge> unsure if thats been reported
[03:05] <snadge> but radeon plays video ok
[03:06] <ActionParsnip> snadge: are other players ok?
[03:06] <snadge> havnt tried it, i switched back to radeon driver.. i can try it later
[03:06] <snadge> vlc or something, it might be glitchy xv support
[03:07] <snadge> im usuing catalyst 12.1 from amd, with --buildpkg Unity/precise
[03:08] <snadge> unrelated, it would be nice if fglrx-update package could track the current catalyst release, within a week or so of it being released by amd ;)
[03:09] <ActionParsnip> snadge: try gnome-mplayer :)
[03:10] <snadge> i understand the reason for having a "stable" tested version by default.. but the update package doesnt need to be well tested, people usually install that because they either need the hardware support, or a particular bug fix and/or optimisation
[06:37] <psypher246> hello all, does anyone know why the usual shortcut keys to move to another desktop has changed from ctrl alt left right up down, to shift-super left right up down?
[07:38] <kieppie> hi all. how stable/unstable is 12.04? I have a desktop system I want to set up that I'll be using as my primary for a while & need to know if it's stable enough for daily use?
[07:39] <psypher246> it is still alpha, so think abouit that, but i have been using 12.04 since the first the day it was released. it was kinda unstable, compiz crashed and logged em out the desktop and libreoffice would not open, but since 2 days ago, both those issues are resolved
[07:39] <psypher246> i use it for work all day
[07:40] <kieppie> psypher246: cool. how regularly are you running updates/upgrades?
[07:40] <psypher246> everyday, first thing i do and then again in the afternoon
[07:41] <kieppie> ok... I'll give it a try then
[07:41] <kieppie> thanks
[07:41] <psypher246> backup!
[07:41] <psypher246> :)
[07:42] <psypher246> but yeah try it out, it's pretty cool
[07:49] <scarleo> Do I have to change something to get the desktop background at login screen?
[07:50] <psypher246> aparently only background in a certain folder works
[07:50] <psypher246> hold on lemme check
[07:51] <scarleo> ah, I have one from my Pictures folder, maybe that is why it doesn't work
[07:52] <psypher246> scarleo: /usr/share/backgrounds/
[07:52] <psypher246> so all the default backgrounds work
[07:52] <psypher246> like the stalking ocelot which i use
[07:53] <psypher246> I read somewhere that pictures folder works as well, but when I logged a bug about the /usr/share one not working I was told it was the olnly folder working at this time
[07:53] <scarleo> psypher246, ok, thanks
[07:53] <psypher246> my bug was fixed though by changing the background to something else and then abck to the ocelot, looks really good
[07:57] <scarleo> psypher246, yeah, it's working now, too bad that ugly unstyled login still appears on user switch and screen lock, would be sweeter with the lightdm one
[07:58] <psypher246> scarleo: it was running like that a week ago, but it was really buggy, every time i lock my screen it was practically unreadable and all cirrupted. so i guess they reverted it
[08:00] <scarleo> ok
[08:00] <scarleo> I remember reading something abt it
[08:07] <scarleo> power usage really has improved a lot in 12.04, I just love this :) Big time
[08:11] <scarleo> whenever screen goes off I'm down to 3,7 W now which gives abt 13 hours of battery life, fan is off almost all the time
[08:19] <psypher246>  scarleo: haven't really tried lately
[08:19] <psypher246> just unplugged my power
[08:19] <psypher246> only 1:30 left, not that great
[08:19] <scarleo> psypher246, I have done some additional tweaking based on powertop as well
[08:20] <scarleo> well the time alone doesn't really say much :)
[08:21] <psypher246> true
[08:21] <psypher246> prob only an hour :)
[08:22] <psypher246> scarleo: never really played with powertop
[08:22] <scarleo> psypher246, it makes a lot of difference
[08:23] <psypher246> do you perhaps hacve a good powertop howto?
[08:24] <scarleo> just install it, run it and move to the rightmost tab for applicable tweaks, it runs in terminal with sudo
[08:24] <scarleo> very easy really
[08:25] <scarleo> make sure you're on battery while running it and let it run for a while to stabilize
[08:26] <psypher246> ok shot :)
[08:27] <psypher246> what does it mean by bad and good?
[08:28] <scarleo> bad are things that can be tweaked, use down arrow to select and enter to toggle to good
[08:32] <psypher246> what kind of stuff did you change?
[08:34] <scarleo> the only thing I made permanent (powertop tweaks are not permanent) are SATA link pm and VM writeback
[08:34] <scarleo> rest of the stuff was already taken care of by 12.04 :)
[08:35] <scarleo> well there are some PCI tweaks that can be done but they don't seem to make much difference on my machine
[08:39] <psypher246> do i have to run the app each time at startup or is it a daemon>?
[08:40] <scarleo> psypher246, whenever you switch to battery
[08:40] <psypher246> cool
[09:57] <alkisg> Hi, can I specify that I want ubiquity to `mount -o compress` my btrfs formatted target disk, so that any files it writes are compressed?
[10:22] <scarleo> Hi, I'm trying to disable powersavings for wireless since they don't work well with my card. I have previously been able to put an empty file in /etc/pm/power.d/ wit the same name as the script to disable. This doesn't work in 12.04.
[10:23] <scarleo> Has the behaviour changed? Or is it a bug?
[10:51] <ironhalik> how can I find the UUID of my mountable partition?
[10:51] <ironhalik> want to add it to fstab to automount
[10:53] <ironhalik> ah /dev/disk/by-uuid
[10:57] <ironhalik> and btw fstab, linux could start adding discard to ssd drives by itself, already :)
[11:00] <snadge> sudo blkid
[11:03] <ironhalik> thx
[11:03] <ironhalik> it says the filesystem type is ntf
[11:03] <ironhalik> ntfs - should I set ntfs or ntfs-3g in fstab?
[11:05] <scarleo> I think it's just ntfs
[11:05] <yofel> usually you'll want ntfs-3g
[11:06] <yofel> see examples section of the ntfs-3g manpage
[11:07] <scarleo> I thought ntfs was the type and ntfs-3g was automatically used for that type
[11:08] <scarleo> but you definitely know more about that than me :)
[11:08] <ironhalik> well, Ill try ntfs-3g at reboot
[11:09] <ironhalik> ok, ntfs-3g worked
[11:09] <ironhalik> and my GF had her show interrupted
[11:12] <snadge> always the way
[11:12] <ironhalik> hmm, and 'ntfs' worked too
[11:12] <snadge> in theory it should be the same thing
[11:12] <snadge> i thought kernel ntfs was deprecated
[11:13] <snadge> it certainly doesnt have write support anyway
[11:13] <KM0201> hmm, seems my wireless issue is resolved in 12.04
[11:13] <KM0201> thats a relief
[11:13] <snadge> happy days
[11:13] <KM0201> yup.
[11:13] <KM0201> i'm downloading Lubuntu now, simply because KDE and Unity repulse me
[11:13] <KM0201> but... at least i know it should work
[11:14] <snadge> im on a train atm.. using unity
[11:14] <snadge> its not so bad, if you labotomise yourself
[11:14] <KM0201> lol
[11:14] <ironhalik> guys, just because unity is different dosnt mean we should laugh at it ;>
[11:14] <ironhalik> I personally like it, the GUI/CLI mix of it
[11:14] <KM0201> KDE isn't to bad, i just hate all the extra crap it installs
[11:14] <snadge> seriously though, if you learn the shortcuts.. maybe read a guide on how to get up to speed with it
[11:14] <snadge> its actually pretty cool
[11:15] <snadge> i like the extra screen space i get with unity.. that rocks
[11:15] <snadge> for all the bitching and moaning i do about unity.. i still think its better than gnome-shell
[11:15] <KM0201> i honestly can think of very few things i like about unity.
[11:15] <ironhalik> I would use lxde or xfce on ma lappy if it had this 'super key -> type -> enter' function
[11:16] <snadge> you just need to change the way you think about using a desktop
[11:16] <snadge> windows 95 was 17 years ago
[11:16] <KM0201> no
[11:16] <ironhalik> for me, lxde still lives in the windows start era ;>
[11:16] <KM0201> i like a clean, simple UI
[11:16] <snadge> for every gripe you have about unity.. theres either a way to fix it.. or a different way of doing the same thing, thats more efficient
[11:17] <snadge> nothing is simpler than unity
[11:17] <KM0201> kde, unity, and even xfce does none of that.
[11:17] <KM0201> but not my idea of clean
[11:17] <snadge> theres one bar at the top.. the launcher auto hides for me
[11:17] <KM0201> and frankly,i don't think it's all that simple either
[11:17] <KM0201> strikes me as very weird
[11:17] <snadge> you just have to give it time.. more than 5 minutes
[11:17] <snadge> it took me a few days to get used to it.. now i honestly cant understand why people did things the way they did befoer
[11:18] <ironhalik> generally, you can like it or not, matter of prefference - only thing that annoyed me is when torvalds proclaimed xfce is now the proper desktop because gnome changed too much with shell ;>
[11:18] <snadge> well no offence.. but torvalds doesnt know shit about guis
[11:18] <KM0201> i agree w/ him, gnome3 is awful
[11:18] <snadge> thats why he is a kernel developer
[11:18] <ikonia> snadge: tone down that language pleas.e
[11:19] <snadge> if he gave it more than 5 minutes.. and used some of that massive brainpower of his to understand why things have changed that way
[11:19] <ironhalik> KM0201: I use gnome shell on lappy, and some parts of it could make it into unity - like the alt tab behavior, the window expose when you open the shell etc
[11:19] <snadge> then maybe he might change his opinion.. but he is a busy man.. and just wants to do things the way he always has, and get on with whatever it is he wants to do
[11:20] <KM0201> i dunno
[11:20] <KM0201> i'm jhust happy mmy wireless is apparently working well... i wasn't holding out much hope... :)
[11:20] <snadge> i like unity's alt-tab
[11:20] <snadge> its very configurable also
[11:21] <ironhalik> snadge: it has problems with workspaces, and when you tell it to prefer current workspace, it wont show windows on other workspaces
[11:21] <ironhalik> KM0201: if it works in 12.04 you probably could make it work in 11.10 too, with some playing with modules and confs
[11:22] <snadge> yeah im talking about ubuntu in 12.04
[11:22] <snadge> err unity rather.. its alt-tab behaviour is superior
[11:22] <KM0201> ironhalik, probably, but i'm not really interested in doing that
[11:23] <ironhalik> KM0201: theres a good chance youll have other problems with 12.04, in its current state
[11:23] <KM0201> ironhalik, i can work through that
[11:23] <KM0201> i'm not a nnew user by any stretch, just been way to busy to really participate
[11:25] <ironhalik> btw, regarding OSS and GUIs
[11:25] <ironhalik> I gate GIMP for that
[11:25] <ironhalik> hate*
[11:26] <valdur55> ironhalik,  RE:'super key -> type -> enter' function'  Hey! Look synapse semantic launcher: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/11/synapse-gnome-do-launcher-app-review-ubuntu/
[11:29] <ironhalik> valdur55: I heard something about it, or like it, way back - it allowed kde to search through IM logs, files, mails
[11:29] <ironhalik> it was in the XP era, so it was kinda new
[11:29] <ironhalik> but thanks, this looks nice
[11:30] <valdur55> ironhalik, install it and you get this function :).
[11:30] <ironhalik> its a bit redundant in unity :P
[11:32] <valdur55> :)
[11:32] <ironhalik> hmm, I could use a feature in unity
[11:33] <ironhalik> that would use the top edge to invoke expose
[11:33] <snadge> just use unity.. the more people who get used to it.. the better
[11:33] <snadge> it borrows a lot of ideas from windows 7, and macos X
[11:34] <ironhalik> in the same, cool, way that dash is now opened
[11:34] <snadge> and then some.. and people use those without too many issues
[11:34] <snadge> linux desktop users are stuck in the dark ages
[11:34] <snadge> and they bitch and moan like anything else when things change
[11:34] <ironhalik> OSS crowd, creatures of habit
[11:35] <snadge> admittedly i was one of them.. for the longest time i resisted unity
[11:35] <snadge> in the early stages.. it was incredibly buggy and foreign at the same time
[11:35] <snadge> so i continued to use the gnome classic option. until it was removed entirely
[11:35] <ironhalik> imho, with unity, you work faster and the GUI/OS layer gets less in the way
[11:36] <snadge> then i bit the bullet and tried it.. also tried gnome shell.. stuck with unity
[11:36] <snadge> now i like it
[11:36] <snadge> i also tried xfce.. and hated it
[11:36] <KM0201> the newest version is awful
[11:36] <snadge> i honestly dont understand how people could prefer xfce over unity
[11:37] <ironhalik> its faster :P
[11:37] <snadge> i guess people really have to have their start button.. and their task list
[11:37] <ironhalik> I would use Ubuntu with unity, if it was faster on my lappy
[11:37] <ironhalik> now thinking about unity-2d
[11:37] <valdur55> ironhalik, but there is unity2d :)
[11:38] <ironhalik> valdur55: I miss the workspace tansition effect :P
[11:38] <ironhalik> and expo
[11:38] <ironhalik> snadge: with windows7, start menu almost dies - it has the built in launcher/finder, and a quick app list
[11:38] <ironhalik> noone uses the directory tree in there
[11:41] <KM0201> i hate win 7
[11:42] <KM0201> brb
[11:52] <scarleo> I'm trying to disable powersavings for wireless since they don't work well with my card. I have put an empty file in /etc/pm/power.d/ with the name wireless. This seems to have no effect in 12.04.
[11:53] <scarleo> Has the behaviour changed? Or is it a bug?
[11:59] <ironhalik> I think it would be better to use iwconfig wlan0 power off
[12:00] <ironhalik> and place it in /etc/rc.local
[12:02] <ironhalik> also, /etc/network/if-up/ - scripts in this folder will get executed on wifi up, you can place an executable script there
[12:32] <scarleo> ironhalik, yes, question is if this is intended behaviour or a bug... I think there has been a lot of work done around pm scripts
[12:37] <crizzy> 12.04 unity stuff is finally starting to look and feel very mature
[13:32] <KM0201> why is hte install window for 12.04 black, you can't even read it
[13:35] <Daekdroom> KM0201, it shouldn't be black.
[13:35] <Daekdroom> To be honest, there were a considerable amount of people complaining about black windows lately.
[13:37] <valdur55> i reccomended to use "Install lubuntu to hard disk" option selecting on splash screen.
[13:50] <ironhalik> crizzy: I seem to be getting better performance from unity then gnome-shell, even
[13:50] <ironhalik> I wonder how it will look like when gnome-shell drops 3d entirely in 3.4
[13:50] <KM0201> hmm
[13:50] <crizzy> gnome-shell crashes like crazy on ati drivers :/ but at least it works with latest drivers..
[13:50] <crizzy> it resurrects itself in a second, though. but still crashes :p
[13:53] <crizzy> i just got epileptic with changing applications in gnome-shell... no taskbar and that top corner expose... gets tiredsome after 3rd app change
[13:56] <ironhalik> epileptic, like seizure?
[13:56] <crizzy> ye :P
[13:56] <ironhalik> wow, nice
[13:57] <crizzy> well it's not that bad after you get used to it
[13:57] <ironhalik> well, it sucks, but still nice ;>
[13:57] <crizzy> but all these new unity features make gnome-shell feel lackcluster
[13:57] <crizzy> like hud
[13:58] <ironhalik> I had a friend who lost consciousness from hyperventilation
[13:58] <ironhalik> was kinda fun during PE in school ;>
[13:58] <ironhalik> jog jog jog thud
[13:58] <ironhalik> well, I wonder how the HUD will turn out
[13:59] <KM0201> well that went well
[13:59] <ironhalik> its the superkey -> enter thing taken to other, more in-app things
[14:00] <valdur55> HUD and unity2d?  Does it work?
[14:09] <ironhalik> any news on java in precise? anyone got it to work?
[14:12] <penguin42> ironhalik: I'm running eclipse ----> in precise
[14:12] <ironhalik> penguin42: 32bit or 64bit? and what jre/jdk version?
[14:13] <penguin42> ironhalik: 64bit, java -version identifies itself as Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_26-b03)
[14:13] <ironhalik> hmm, so you've got oracle's java
[14:13] <ironhalik> It didnt work for me :/
[14:13] <penguin42> ironhalik: Yeh, seems to be
[14:14] <ironhalik> it sucks that Ubuntu dropped proprietary java support
[14:14] <penguin42> ironhalik: It wasn't Ubuntu that dropped it, it was Oracle that changed the license
[14:15] <ironhalik> its way less problematic then openjdk, especially icedtea vs oracles plugin
[14:15] <ironhalik> penguin42: well, yeah
[14:15] <ironhalik> true
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[14:16] <ironhalik> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_31-b04)
[14:16] <penguin42> ironhalik: I thought I'd had eclipse running with openjdk-6 a while ago
[14:17] <ironhalik> hmm, and what's your eclipse version? :)
[14:17] <ironhalik> maybe Im running some beta, from precise repos
[14:18] <penguin42> ironhalik: Build id: I20110613-1736 version 3.7.1
[14:18] <ironhalik> thx
[14:18] <ironhalik> same here
[14:18] <ironhalik> mine crashesh when I try to close the welcome window
[14:20] <ironhalik> hmm, iteresting, I bypassed the welcome screen and it seems to work
[14:22] <ironhalik> penguin42: silly question, youve got black tooltips too? :)
[14:22] <penguin42> ironhalik: No (although I'm running on KDE)
[14:22] <ironhalik> oh, its probably gnomes thing
[14:23] <ironhalik> havent tried KDE since 4.2 or sth like that
[14:42] <ironhalik> hmm, is there a way, to make Unity-2d use the workspace switcher from Unity?
[14:42] <ironhalik> the slide effect
[14:51] <brendand> i doubt it
[14:51] <brendand> it's surely a compiz plugin
[15:01] <ironhalik> hmm, overall, unity-2d seems nice
[15:01] <ironhalik> a lot nicer then first iterations
[15:10] <glosoli> zzecool: anything new ?
[15:26] <ironhalik> brendand: ha! http://www.webupd8.org/2011/02/unity-2d-gets-workspace-switcher-too.html
[15:27] <ironhalik> :)
[15:32] <brendand> ironhalik, i stand corrected :)
[15:34] <ironhalik> Gonna try it out
[15:35] <ironhalik> btw, anyone lost dash 'enter' button working in the last update?
[15:35] <ironhalik> generally dash search results
[15:37] <ironhalik> wont work, cant click them, enter doesnt work etc
[16:06] <ironhalik> Wasnt Unity supposed to get new, lightdm-like lock screen?
[16:07] <Daekdroom> ironhalik, CRTL + ALT + L
[16:08] <Daekdroom> Oh nevermind, they reverted it.
[16:08] <ironhalik> ;D
[16:08] <ironhalik> so it was there at some point?
[16:08] <Daekdroom> I didn't quite understand why CRTL + ALT + L took me to a lightdm screen and why letting the monitor power off after 10 minutes didn't, anyway.
[16:08] <ironhalik> there was a GUI free, wonder if it made it
[16:08] <ironhalik> freeze*
[16:09] <Daekdroom> Well, that means it probably won't.
[16:09] <Daekdroom> Unless it's not working because of a bug.
[16:09] <ironhalik> yeah, I think the lightdm wallpaper thing was on and off and on again
[16:10] <ironhalik> so the lockscreen may be too
[16:22] <Hiob10hiob> does somebody know why i can configure my displays in the live cd with the gnome tool and when it is installed only with nvidia-settings?
[16:23] <ironhalik> not sure if thats it, but did you check the 'install propriatary software' checkbox?
[16:23] <ironhalik> during install?
[16:23] <Hiob10hiob> yes i did
[16:24] <ironhalik> mhm nvm :)
[16:24] <Hiob10hiob> nvm???
[16:25] <ironhalik> it installed nvidia drivers, but why I would not be able to use gnome tool, I dont know
[16:25] <ironhalik> nvm = nevermatter
[16:25] <Hiob10hiob> but if i deinstall the nvidia driver, duelscreen doesnt work
[16:25] <Hiob10hiob> just in the live cd
[16:26] <ironhalik> I, personally, had to go through hell to fully revert nvidia drivers to nouveau
[16:26] <ironhalik> It ended with reinstalling the OS, without propriatary drivers :P
[16:28] <Hiob10hiob> this really sucks, there should be an option, if i like to install propriatary graphic driver, if an opensoure one work
[16:31] <penguin42> if you install the nvidia drivers via the 'additional drivers' option in the system settings then you should also be able to fully remove it from there; if it doesnt then that's a bug that needs filing - if you used NVidias own installation scheme then you're on youre own
[16:36] <Hiob10hiob> does somebody know, why click and drag now works?
[17:12] <zzecool> Only one update since yesterday
[17:13] <zzecool> :(
[17:13] <Ampelbein> zzecool: We are in beta freeze currently, only important bugfixes will pass through until betarelease.
[17:13] <zzecool> i know
[17:14] <zzecool> i was used to the hourly updates
[17:14] <zzecool> i always like the alpha - beta updates fiesta :D
[17:15] <glosoli> zzecool, you use xchat yes ?
[17:15] <zzecool> glosoli:
[17:15] <zzecool> yes
[17:16] <glosoli> zzecool, does it support that notification OSD ?
[17:16] <zzecool> why asking ?
[17:16] <zzecool> yes it does
[17:16] <glosoli> would you mind writing me to pm  ?;D to check that ?
[17:16] <zzecool> that why i can see your msg while surfing etc
[17:16] <zzecool> you have to lose focus
[17:16] <zzecool> minimize xchat
[17:17] <zzecool> glosoli: this is a notification test  lol
[17:17] <glosoli> zzecool, ok, now  i will minize, and switch workspace try again
[17:17] <zzecool> glosoli: this is a notification test  lol
[17:18] <zzecool> glosoli: this is a notification test  lol
[17:18] <glosoli> zzecool, nah, nothing happened just in unity dock, i saw icon highlighting
[17:18] <zzecool> rly ?
[17:18] <glosoli> zzecool, your version of xchat is from repo ?
[17:19] <zzecool> glosoli: open preferences
[17:19] <zzecool> and go to Alerts
[17:19] <glosoli> ok try again to test ;D
[17:20] <zzecool> enable everything for private message and highlighted message
[17:20] <zzecool> glosoli:
[17:20] <ironhalik> glosoli: one two three
[17:20] <ironhalik> ;>
[17:20] <zzecool> :D
[17:20] <ironhalik> Id love irssi integration with OSD ;>
[17:20] <glosoli> Works fine now
[17:20] <glosoli> Gonna need to change so fonts, and that will be alright for me ;D
[17:20] <zzecool> omg i hate command mode clients
[17:21] <ironhalik> omg i love command mode clients
[17:21] <ironhalik> :P
[17:21] <glosoli> ;D
[17:21] <SpamapS> Is it intentional that the HUD comes up when left-alt is pressed.. is there a way to change that?
[17:21] <Ian_Corne> zzecool: 375 upgraded, 5 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[17:21] <zzecool> bitchx vs irssi   ...   JESUS
[17:21] <Ian_Corne> I've got some catching up to do
[17:21] <zzecool> Ian_Corne: i did those yesterday
[17:21] <zzecool> :P
[17:21] <Ian_Corne> hehe
[17:21] <ironhalik> zzecool: I dont like bitchx
[17:21] <ironhalik> and I think Im too stupid for weechat
[17:22] <SpamapS> people still use bitchx?!
[17:22] <ironhalik> yeah, in the dark corners of freenode, I bet they do
[17:22] <zzecool> SpamapS: some
[17:22]  * SpamapS made the switch to irssi.. oh.. 8 years ago..
[17:22] <zzecool> i bet efnet
[17:22] <zzecool> efnet is the dark network ;p
[17:22] <Daekdroom> SpamapS, yes, it is intentional, but it currently interferes with other shortcuts, which is a bug. You can change the shortcut or disable it through CCSM
[17:22] <ironhalik> anyone tried weechat? :>
[17:23] <glosoli> ironhalik, also command line ? :DD
[17:23] <ironhalik> yeah
[17:23] <zzecool> omg i hate cmd line
[17:23] <glosoli> No I didint then :DDD
[17:23] <ironhalik> for me, the hud launches by pressing left ctrl + alt
[17:23] <Ian_Corne> I came from mIRC -> xchat -> irssi
[17:23] <zzecool> only reason is if you are desperate or in a server room
[17:23] <ironhalik> mIRC -> irssi
[17:23] <zzecool> or if you think you are cool in the black n white
[17:23] <zzecool> ;p
[17:24] <ironhalik> zzecool: well, people used to be elitist assholes when yhey used bitchx/irssi and you were on mIRC
[17:24] <ironhalik> ctcp versions were flying around on channels
[17:24] <zzecool> hehe
[17:24] <SpamapS> Daekdroom: I have a strict *no ccsm* rule these days. :)
[17:24] <ironhalik> now the client seems not to be a indicator or wealth, intelligance or social status
[17:25] <ironhalik> ;>
[17:25] <zzecool> i can edit fast xchat to say that im using Nasa's Irc client on the ctcp reply
[17:25] <zzecool> ........
[17:25] <glosoli> :DD
[17:25] <zzecool> so
[17:25] <zzecool> ironhalik: other than that you are right
[17:25] <zzecool> ironhalik: bitchx was for the elite haxors  etc.....
[17:25] <ironhalik> hmm, I actually connect via ssh with my irssi, which connects to localhost irc bouncer :P
[17:26] <zzecool> bulshits imo
[17:26] <ironhalik> you can have a leet chat on android phones :P
[17:26] <zzecool> heh
[17:26] <ironhalik> well, it was fun while it lasted, shame I used mIRC then
[17:26] <glosoli> ;DD
[17:27] <zzecool> im just finished an 6 hours+ session teaching on my gf her new iPhone 4s lol
[17:27] <glosoli> Apple Fanboy
[17:27] <glosoli> :D
[17:27] <ironhalik> huh, my mom catched up with her android in like an hour, was quite impressed
[17:27] <zzecool> :D
[17:27] <ironhalik> my fiance is rocking a oldschool nokia ;>
[17:28] <glosoli> So where is now Apple talking shit about simplicity :D his mom did android in 1 hour
[17:28] <glosoli> haha
[17:28] <glosoli> ;D
[17:28] <ironhalik> yeah thats what funny
[17:28] <zzecool> hmm
[17:28] <zzecool> it depents on the person
[17:28] <ironhalik> well, sure
[17:28] <zzecool> if he is guite experinced with pc then the transition is easy
[17:28] <ironhalik> for some the icon based touch interface is too different from s40 nokias
[17:29] <glosoli> Had nokia X3-01 ;D gave it to my sister
[17:29] <zzecool> i "believe" on android but i think its not rdy yet
[17:29] <ironhalik> btw, my mom is on ubuntu 10.04 :P
[17:29] <zzecool> :D
[17:29] <glosoli> zzecool, sure it is
[17:29] <ironhalik> it very much is
[17:29] <zzecool> glosoli: i dont like the interface
[17:29] <glosoli> zzecool, have you checked Android 4
[17:29] <glosoli>  ?
[17:29] <ironhalik> and I must say, reluctantly, that touchwiz helps with the user expirience
[17:30] <zzecool> so much visual clutter and the design feels kde  5 years ago
[17:30] <glosoli> and in btw, interface differs on the cell brand
[17:30] <zzecool> you mean the "sandwich" ?
[17:30] <glosoli> zzecool, yes
[17:30] <zzecool> yeah didnt like it
[17:30] <glosoli> zzecool, INTERFACE DIFFERS ON TELEPHONE BRAND
[17:30] <zzecool> so much clutter  tiny fonts
[17:30] <zzecool> a mess
[17:31] <glosoli> Take android from HTC, and from Sony, you may have different expierence
[17:31] <glosoli> :)
[17:31] <zzecool> whatever i used i didnt like it
[17:31] <zzecool> that the truth
[17:31] <glosoli> friggin liar
[17:31] <glosoli> :DD
[17:31] <zzecool> im not
[17:31] <ironhalik> theres a MIUI rom, its very iphone'ish
[17:32] <zzecool> + there is one more thing
[17:32] <ironhalik> remember, android is OSS, you hack the hell out of it ;>
[17:32] <zzecool> every android phone feels like cheap plastic and nothing more
[17:32] <ironhalik> thats true, for samsung ;P
[17:32] <zzecool> nowhere near the feel that an iphone gives on yout palm
[17:32] <glosoli> hmmm
[17:32] <zzecool> your*
[17:32] <glosoli> so subjective
[17:32] <glosoli> :)
[17:32] <zzecool> its not its the real thing
[17:32] <ironhalik> thats also kinda true, iPhone is at the very top when it comes to build quality
[17:33] <zzecool> take an iphone on your hand you will know
[17:33] <ironhalik> but many mid/high end HTC rock a aluminium unibody
[17:33] <glosoli> ironhalik: have you  tryed all android phones to say that :) ?
[17:33] <zzecool> yeap glosoli i did
[17:33] <glosoli> zzecool: No you didin't
[17:33] <zzecool> this morning
[17:33] <ironhalik> no, ive got motorola defy, which is really decent for me
[17:33] <zzecool> actually was the last time
[17:33] <zzecool> on the phone shop
[17:33] <zzecool> while buying the 4s
[17:33] <zzecool> :p
[17:34] <glosoli> zzecool: Phone shop for sure doesn't hold all the android telephones
[17:34] <glosoli> in the planet
[17:34] <zzecool> it does
[17:34] <glosoli> so your opinion is so subjective
[17:34] <zzecool> here
[17:34] <zzecool> every single one
[17:34] <glosoli> zzecool: so about 300 android phones you touched ?
[17:34] <ironhalik> zzecool: well, the end argument - when you buy HTC for 500-600 bucks, it will have outstanding build quality too :>
[17:34] <glosoli> this mornign ?
[17:34] <zzecool> + the new nokia mumnia 800 how its callexd
[17:34] <zzecool> glosoli: the top end android phones arenot 300
[17:34] <zzecool> are somehow 10
[17:35] <glosoli> that's what you think :)
[17:35] <DrHalan> hey guys.. when using fglrx video acceleration crashes my xserver.. anyone having this issue too?
[17:35] <zzecool> DrHalan: im on nvidia
[17:35] <glosoli> DrHalan: Had today while watching movie :)
[17:35] <ironhalik> DrHalan: somebody mentioned it, and moved to AMDs drivers
[17:36] <ironhalik> the best build quality ever... was HTC Dream!
[17:36] <zzecool> someone must hack iphone and install ubunut on
[17:36] <ironhalik> the very first android phone :>
[17:36] <zzecool> that will be my sickerst dream
[17:36] <zzecool> sickest*
[17:36] <ironhalik> zzecool: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/02/ubuntu-for-android-announced/
[17:36] <zzecool> i know
[17:36] <zzecool> looks epic
[17:36] <zzecool> :)
[17:36] <glosoli> wtf zzecool you sometimes look like real apple fan, ;D
[17:36] <zzecool> i am
[17:36] <zzecool> i admire apple
[17:36] <ironhalik> also, motorla had some kind of dualboot system with ubuntu I belive
[17:37] <glosoli> zzecool: so why would you use ubuntu  ?
[17:37] <zzecool> why not i loe ubuntu
[17:37] <zzecool> love
[17:37] <ironhalik> well, theire products are neat
[17:37] <zzecool> i admire apple as a company + design
[17:37] <glosoli> zzecool: the only thing I admire is how Steve Jobs looked at design :)_
[17:37] <zzecool> glosoli: who do you think mark shuttleworth trying to mimic?
[17:38] <glosoli> zzecool: There is no point of trying to talk about who is tryting to who mimic, everyeone does that ,even apple
[17:38] <zzecool> true
[17:38] <zzecool> but im talking as a company
[17:38] <glosoli> Steve Jobs was the company :)
[17:39] <ironhalik> Ubuntu tries for the integrated, working feel out of the box - apple has that,that way  ubuntu mimics apple, you could say ;>
[17:39] <zzecool> somehow he was
[17:39] <zzecool> but
[17:39] <glosoli> All products were always confirmed by him
[17:39] <glosoli> All design was always confirmed by him
[17:39] <glosoli> he was perfecionist
[17:39] <glosoli> and minimalist
[17:39] <zzecool> steve was the PR
[17:39] <zzecool> the voice
[17:39] <glosoli> zzecool: read biography :)
[17:39] <zzecool> do you wanna know the heart?
[17:39] <zzecool> of apple?
[17:39] <glosoli> Ive ?
[17:39] <glosoli> The Designer from britain
[17:40] <zzecool> exactly
[17:40] <zzecool> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Ive
[17:40] <ironhalik> Im reading 'Inside Apple' book, it nicely explains the design and deploy process of apple
[17:40] <zzecool> Jonathan is APPLE
[17:40] <zzecool> steve was the puppet
[17:40] <ironhalik> it mentions Ive, too ;>
[17:40] <glosoli> ironhalik: reading this one :)
[17:40] <glosoli> Steve wasn't a puppet
[17:40] <jpds> !offtopic
[17:40] <glosoli> jpds: sorry
[17:41] <glosoli> in btw, anyone getting screen corruptions while logging in ubuntu ?
[17:41] <zzecool> yes
[17:41] <zzecool> its a bug allrdy reportedhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Ivefor fix and on the way
[17:41] <ironhalik> yup
[17:41] <zzecool> omg
[17:41] <glosoli> zzecool: :DDDDDDDDDD
[17:41] <zzecool> worng
[17:41] <zzecool> haha
[17:41] <zzecool> i have it reported
[17:41] <glosoli> ironhalik: I would like to read biography about Denis Ritchie :/
[17:42] <genii-around> Is anyone experiencing problems with Firefox locking up the cursor until you alt-tab to another running application and back?
[17:42] <ironhalik> glosoli: I dont think there many interesting things you can write about inventing C
[17:42] <ironhalik> ;>
[17:42] <zzecool> glosoli: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/931967
[17:42] <glosoli> ironhalik: the thing we can't think, doesn't think there isn't anything :D
[17:42] <glosoli> ironhalik: I am more interested in persona
[17:46] <glosoli> zzecool: friggin xchat,  didin't show up in dock once again, when i pressed it opened another instance ;DD
[17:46] <zzecool> its ok for me
[17:46] <zzecool> never hand any problem
[17:49] <zzecool> ironhalik: i think mark got the message and give so much on the design :) and i love it
[17:49] <zzecool> i like nice design
[17:49] <zzecool> glosoli: nooboli ;p
[17:49] <glosoli> zzecool: ? :DD
[17:49] <zzecool> :D
[17:50] <zzecool> everything ok ??
[17:50] <glosoli> zzecool: yeah, changed to smuxi :D once again
[17:50] <zzecool> whats smuxi ?
[17:50] <glosoli> IRC client that is actually being updated unlike the xchat
[17:51] <zzecool> i see
[17:51] <zzecool> im not an irc fan
[17:51] <ironhalik> hmm, how can I force unity2d in a livecd? :/
[17:51] <zzecool> i only join for ubuntu
[17:51] <zzecool> ironhalik: i dont have any idea
[17:51] <zzecool> there should be a switch
[17:51] <ironhalik> yeah, it doesnt work
[17:52] <zzecool> i dont have a clue
[17:54] <zzecool> glosoli: did you check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/931967
[17:54] <zzecool> ?
[17:54] <glosoli> yeah
[17:55] <ironhalik> it got a High rating?
[17:55] <zzecool> :D i did the bug report because im the man
[17:55] <zzecool> :D
[17:55] <zzecool> yeah
[17:56] <zzecool> its part of the first impression + experience
[17:56] <glosoli> lol, no you aint
[17:56] <zzecool> thats why
[17:56] <glosoli> lD
[17:56] <glosoli> ;D
[17:56] <zzecool> im the man and you know that
[17:56] <zzecool> im the motherf***g monstah :d
[17:56] <zzecool> lol
[17:57] <zzecool> glosoli: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msdFDCcdwaA
[17:57] <ironhalik> well, I think alpha releases dont try to appeal to new users ;>
[17:57] <zzecool> but they need things like that fixed for the final product
[17:57] <zzecool> :D
[17:58] <zzecool> imagine : look my new kick ass OS
[17:58] <zzecool> booting
[17:58] <zzecool> CORRUPTED GRAFIX EVERYWHERE
[17:58] <zzecool> -bitch please....
[17:58] <zzecool> ruined while trying to impress
[17:58] <zzecool> :)
[17:59] <glosoli> ;D
[18:06] <soc> can i  change the owner of all "dot files" with "chown -R foo:foo .*"?
[18:06] <soc> i'm not sure about the .* part
[18:06] <soc> does it only match directories and files like .foo or .bar/?
[18:06] <pmjdebruijn> hi guys, does anybody know about the status of lo-menubar (libreoffice with globalmenu support) in 12.04? as it's a fairly big inconsistency in the current UI
[18:10] <ironhalik> soc: you may try 'chown -R .???*'
[18:11] <ironhalik> also, chown -R .[^.]*
[18:14] <soc> mhh ok
[18:14] <soc> well, it seems like it worked
[18:15] <ironhalik> :)
[18:19] <ironhalik> ok, Im about to file a new bug in launchpad
[18:19] <ironhalik> any tips? :>
[18:20] <soc> one weird thing: how can i change which folder gets shown on the desktop
[18:20] <soc> at the moment xubuntu shows me my home folder
[18:20] <soc> but i want my Desktop folder to be shown
[18:21] <ironhalik> dunno, I use gnome
[18:39] <zzecool> ironhalik: what does the "  chown -R .[^.]* " do  ? lol
[18:41] <ironhalik> matches everything thats two characters, and the second one isnt a dot
[18:41] <ironhalik> but Im not entirely sure, its regex, after all
[18:41] <ironhalik> ;>
[18:42] <ironhalik> anything that starts with a dot, has two characters, and second one isnt a dot
[18:42] <ironhalik> I think
[18:42] <ironhalik> or not
[19:07] <zzecool> glosoli:  http://www.ustream.tv/channel/at-home-with-jono-bacon
[19:07] <zzecool> i feel sry about ppl joining this jam parties
[19:07] <zzecool> why making ubuntu looks more miserable  :(
[19:08] <glosoli> I don't feel miserable, they do what makes them happy, my thumb is up for them, but I won't attend :)
[19:10] <zzecool> imagine the same jam for windows 7
[19:10] <zzecool> or even better OSx - Apple
[19:10] <zzecool> looool
[19:11] <zzecool> This feels minority  psychological problems  and ghetto
[19:11] <zzecool> i hate the idea
[19:11] <glosoli> Well, I really don't have anything against them, it's their choice :) I choose to just use ubuntu ant report bugs from time to time, to recommend it for my friends, sometimes to ask them don't install it depending on hardware
[19:11] <zzecool> glosoli: exactly
[19:12] <glosoli> zzecool: Ubuntu tries to support too much laptops :)
[19:12] <zzecool> Ubuntu doing a great job since day 1
[19:12] <zzecool> i love it
[19:12] <zzecool> i hope it is going to stay as it is while gaining users - power
[19:13] <zzecool> power disrupts
[19:13] <glosoli> zzecool: well most of the things where ubuntu fails is just fault of for example: ATI, Asus and so on :)
[19:16] <log> How do you disable the HUD?
[19:16] <log> I keep accidentally triggering it with the alt key.
[19:18] <glosoli> log: I used CompizConfig Settings Manager :)
[19:19] <zzecool> ccsm is the way
[19:19] <zzecool> log: ccsm ---> unity plugin ---->  first option on the first tab
[19:20] <log> Okay.
[19:20] <zzecool> glosoli: whats the best ide for QT
[19:20] <zzecool> ?
[19:21] <glosoli> zzecool: I prefer Eclipse :) and using Qt 4 Designer to make GUI but I am sure, big geeks, would  recommend to you do everything by hand. :D
[19:21] <zzecool> erything by hand ?
[19:22] <zzecool> i dont like this ideas...
[19:22] <zzecool> its like to wash your cloths with your hand in the river instead of the wash machine  ( ide )
[19:22] <zzecool> ;p
[19:23] <zzecool> hands*
[19:23] <zzecool> :D
[19:23] <anonisnaas> Its good practice to learn how to code GUI, so that if you run into problems later on you'll be able to edit the code easily
[19:24] <anonisnaas> but if you know your ABC's just use a GUI tool :)
[19:26] <zzecool> i see
[19:27] <zzecool> glosoli: whata bout this http://qt.nokia.com/products/developer-tools?currentflipperobject=821c7594d32e33932297b1e065a976b8
[19:27] <zzecool> whats this ?
[19:27] <glosoli> zzecool: UBuntu Software Center have it all
[19:28] <zzecool> what is it ? this is the  qt designer you was talking about ?
[19:28] <glosoli> zzecool: it is for C++ I think
[19:28] <glosoli> I use  Python
[19:28] <zzecool> aha
[19:28] <zzecool> ok
[19:29] <glosoli> zzecool: Well Qt is GUI Toolkit not only for Python, C++, it can work with others quite well, so you just install needed packages in your system, depending on your needs :) I install python-pyqt or somehow that package is called :) it automatically isntalled designer for me which I find in App menu :)
[19:30] <glosoli> zzecool: but as anonisnaas says, you should learn a bit linear coding, or you will have to make good effort in reading errors when smth wrong appears ;D
[19:30] <zzecool> i thought QT was programming language
[19:31] <zzecool> isnt ?
[19:31] <glosoli> zzecool: I am not good in describing things theorically, but you can read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qt_(framework)
[19:31] <glosoli> zzecool: I call it GUI Toolkit ;D
[19:33] <zzecool> so qt is C++ with extensions and some more tricks
[19:34] <glosoli> zzecool: Nah :) for simple you can call it (it may not sound right, but..) you can call it GUI Programming Language
[19:34] <zzecool> ok i got it
[19:35] <zzecool> but the actual code behind is C++  right ?
[19:35] <penguin42> yeh but you can glue it to pretty much anythign
[19:35] <zzecool> i see
[19:35] <glosoli> zzecool: well QT is written in C++, but I use it as GUI Toolkit for Python ;D
[19:36] <zzecool> oh ok
[19:36] <penguin42> you can glue most languages to most other if you use enough glue :-)
[19:36] <zzecool> hehe
[19:36] <zzecool> i have no idea about programming only bash scripting
[19:36] <zzecool> if you can call bash scripting programming
[19:36] <zzecool> :)
[19:38] <johnjohn101> using vmware 4.0.1, if I lock computer,  alpha2 does not come back to life.  Is tthis something i should report to you guys or vmware
[19:38] <glosoli> zzecool: you could first start with non graphical stuff and lesson, only then to switch somewhere else if you are interested :) I was getting out of my mind picking languages, now I am happy with python
[19:39] <penguin42> johnjohn101: You should probably submit an ubuntu bug
[19:39] <zzecool> glosoli: more updates landed
[19:39] <zzecool> with some dependecies
[19:40] <zzecool> kernel + more
[19:40] <glosoli> already did ;D
[19:40] <zzecool> :o
[19:44] <zzecool> glosoli: ?
[19:44] <zzecool> apple apple apple apples apple apple
[19:44] <zzecool> :o
[19:44] <zzecool> Fanboy ?
[19:44] <zzecool> ;p
[19:44] <Hiob10hiob> Linux Linux Linux
[19:45] <zzecool> haha
[19:45] <zzecool> i said apple not OSx
[19:45] <zzecool> ;p
[19:45] <zzecool> OSx is bsd after all :O
[19:46] <glosoli> zzecool: what about apple ?
[19:47] <zzecool> nothing just trying to provocate you a bit  :O
[19:47] <glosoli> impossible :) I have nothing against Apple, or even Microsoft :)
[19:47] <zzecool> =)
[19:48] <zzecool> Thats the spirit
[19:48] <zzecool> glosoli: im gonna restart for the new kernel :o
[19:48] <zzecool> brb
[19:48] <glosoli> zzecool: haha ;D
[20:00] <glosoli> zzecool: you're thinking of learning programming ?
[20:14] <zzecool> glosoli:  no time for such a thing
[20:14] <zzecool> :)
[20:14] <glosoli> zzecool: hehe,stop gaming ;D
[21:30] <cheako> Unity blows in kvm/qemu.
[21:31] <cheako> It's jerky and the background get's corrupted with old data from previous and moved windows.
[21:34] <urfr332gO> cheako, try the unity 2d, i
[21:34] <penguin42> cheako: Is this Precise running in a precise guest?
[21:35] <cheako> penguin42: Yes.
[21:35] <penguin42> cheako: Hmm, I've not tried it for a few weeks - I did have it working with SPICE rather than vnc (doesn't work via the virtmgr yet)
[21:35] <cheako> Running a USB image in kvm with the only option being to have 768M of ram.
[21:37] <urfr332gO> cheako, I have never found ubuntu to run anything like a HD install in a virtual.
[21:37] <cheako> penguin42: Running with no options so X windows is providing the frame buffer, is that using SDL?
[21:38] <cheako> urfr332gO: I think the correct slang is a bare metal install.
[21:38] <urfr332gO> cheako, lol slang is actually detrimental in computer ares makes it rather confusing.
[21:39] <cheako> penguin42: I hadn't planned on testing that, but I'll think about it.
[21:39] <urfr332gO> araes
[21:41] <cheako> urfr332gO: A centralized glossary/dictionary would be wonderful.  I'm just saying that from what I know HD install is more slangrific then bare metal install.
[21:41] <urfr332gO> cheako, honestly I don't know what a bare metal install is, has to many confounds.
[21:42] <urfr332gO> to vague, with computers there are names of things and activities that are specific.
[21:43] <cheako> urfr332gO: Then in your opinion what's it called when a system is running without the aid of any type of visualization?
[21:43] <mongy> headless?
[21:44] <urfr332gO> cheako, I would name what it is not being used specifically, many Os's have different applications, and if you want some one to answer exactly they have to be able to have these identified or know already.
[21:44] <cheako> I feel that bare metal restores are to be confused with bare metal install, the former being something that a VM could perform.
[21:45] <urfr332gO> headless is no X
[21:46] <urfr332gO> cheako, if you want to play 20 questions your vague at the description, some people will not bother with 20 questions it gets tiresome.
[21:46] <urfr332gO> not saying you are but pointing out the flaws in the schema. :)
[21:47] <cheako> urfr332gO: To be headless IMHO is for a system to lack any type of FB hardware, however could also mean that a monitor is not connected.  Weather a serial console counts as a head it up in the air as well.
[21:47] <urfr332gO> a server with no desktop is the default of headless.
[21:48] <urfr332gO> if your running without a cli it should be mentioned
[21:49] <cheako> Using code, such as numbers and letters, reduces needless explanation and allows for succinct communication or orders. -- Deadmans Wonderland.
[21:50] <urfr332gO> cheako, if the other understands your code rather then it being a standard language, for example on the IRC your asked to not abreviate, I have no idea what FB hardware is.
[21:51] <cheako> urfr332gO: Ohh, you'r talking from an Ubuntu perspective...  I guess that's appropriate.  However it's worth noting that the term headless has much broader applications in the rest of the world.
[21:52] <urfr332gO> cheako, lol I have 5 OS's on my computer one of two of which happen to be ubuntu 11.10 and 12.04, that is aprojection my friend. :)
[21:52] <johnjohn101> i need help with submission of a bug reprot
[21:52] <urfr332gO> two of which exscuse me. :)
[21:52] <cheako> frame buffer.  An area of memory by witch and image is displayed based on it's contents, also known as video memory.
[21:52] <urfr332gO> ah thanks. :)
[21:53] <urfr332gO> all hardware has buffers of some sort if your running a OS.
[21:54] <ironhalik> wow guys
[21:55] <cheako> urfr332gO: correct and a virtual frame buffer X server can play make believe providing a head for headless devices, noting that it's only visible when using something like VNC as a display.
[21:55] <ironhalik> thats a lot of pointless discussion '?
[21:55] <ironhalik> ;>
[21:55] <johnjohn101> so i searched launchpad for bugs but don't see a way to enter a new one
[21:55] <urfr332gO> ironhalik, in some sense yes as the realization of exacting info seems to be lost here. :)
[21:56] <cheako> johnjohn101: The aport or apport command on an Ubuntu system can do this.
[21:56] <ironhalik> johnjohn101: apport or 'ubuntu-bug'
[21:57] <ironhalik> you need to type in ubuntu-bug packagename, I belive
[21:57] <cheako> ironhalik: Thank you.
[21:57] <johnjohn101> apport  /  aport command not found
[21:57] <ironhalik> ubuntu-bug
[21:58] <johnjohn101> how do i know what package?
[21:58] <ironhalik> thats the tricky part :)
[21:58] <cheako> johnjohn101: You can also use a file name.
[21:58] <johnjohn101> i am running 12.04 in vmware 4.0.1 with the latest tools.  I lock host computer, unlock and cannot get back to virtual machine
[21:59] <johnjohn101> works with every other linux i have installed and xp
[21:59] <cheako> ...though it should be a file that would be provided by a package and not the document you are working on.
[22:00] <johnjohn101> it's not really a package i'm having problems with
[22:00] <cheako> johnjohn101: Are you saying that an Ubuntu install can crash a VMWare box?  Or is the lock specific to the Ubuntu box?  Is this lock the X lock where you are presented with a password for the user?
[22:01] <guntbert> johnjohn101: alphas are not supported on virtualization products...
[22:01] <johnjohn101> ok
[22:01] <johnjohn101> what happens is that vm is running
[22:02] <johnjohn101> minimized..   I go to the can, lock computers.  I come back.  my windows box is fine except for no gui on vm machine
[22:02] <johnjohn101> that is after i unlock it
[22:03] <johnjohn101> i have to power off the machine and restart
[22:03] <johnjohn101> power off vm machine
[22:06] <cheako> johnjohn101: I think I understand.  On a Windows client connected to VMWare the Ubuntu Box has it's screen saver locked and you are able to unlock it and then the virtual display is black.  Have you tried changing VTs or using sysctl?
[22:08] <johnjohn101> what is vt or sysctl?
[22:08] <cheako> alt-sysreq-k will kill any running X server and the sysreq commands u s b will Unmount Sync and reBoot your box without loss of data, though it's still vary much a hard down.
[22:08] <cheako> johnjohn101: Try ctrl-alt-f2
[22:08] <johnjohn101> ok
[22:09] <cheako> Though how to send that to a running VMware box is beyond me.
[22:09] <johnjohn101> i'm chatting from this session, i'll chat from another irc cleint
[22:16] <johnjohn101> ok, on another chat session.
[22:16] <johnjohn101> ill try
[22:17] <cheako> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_console
[22:18] <cheako> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SysReq
[22:19] <johnjohn101> cheako: I just tried alt sysrq k and it booted x but came back all screwy
[22:19] <johnjohn101> didn't work
[22:19] <johnjohn101> suse came back
[22:20] <johnjohn101> i had to reboot the vmware session.
[22:21] <cheako> johnjohn101: Do you know what video driver you are using?  Did you install VMWare tools in Ubuntu?
[22:21] <johnjohn101> i'd be happy to enter a  bug but if  you don't think it will make a difference, I can wait until beta comes out next week
[22:21] <johnjohn101> yes, I just reinstalled and recompiled
[22:22] <johnjohn101> rebooted and tried
[22:22] <johnjohn101> same result
[22:23] <cheako> johnjohn101: Seams like it could be a VMWare bug, imagine that Ubuntu+1 is working in hundreds of other locations.  Though I'd imagine that either side could make a code change to correct this behavior.
[22:23] <cheako> johnjohn101: Try using VESA video driver, remove the vmware tools video driver.
[22:23] <johnjohn101> how do i do that?
[22:24] <cheako> johnjohn101: No idea, I'm a kvm user.
[22:24] <johnjohn101> it's ok. it's still alpha just annoying. I have similar environments in 11.10 and suse 12.1.
[22:26] <johnjohn101> there was some other bug where it didn't detect that 3d aceleration wasn't checked and tried to load the 3d drivers
[22:27] <johnjohn101> 3d acceleration is now working correctly
[22:27] <johnjohn101> let me see if it does the same in 2d
[22:28] <xiambax> after updating to 12.04 i told my system to reboot. its not rebooting after 10 minutes or so. am i safe to force it?
[22:29] <johnjohn101> cheako: ok, no problems with the unity 2d at all
[22:29] <johnjohn101> that same error doesn't exist
[22:29] <guntbert> xiambax: <ctrl><alt>F1 should bring you to a console session
[22:30] <xiambax> then what
[22:30] <xiambax> force reboot?
[22:30] <guntbert> xiambax: there you log in and type    sudo reboot
[22:30] <xiambax> it wouldn't take input
[22:30] <xiambax> i chanced it
[22:31] <xiambax> holy shit
[22:31] <DropsOfSerenity> is there any way to change the gradation of the volume slider when I press the volume up button, I have sensitive speakers and would like to raise it  around 2% instead of 5% i'm running ubuntu 12.04
[22:31] <xiambax> iv never seen my computer boot so fast in my life
[22:31] <xiambax>  seconds
[22:31] <xiambax>  seconds
[22:39] <ironhalik> is there any improvement in boot time?
[22:39] <ironhalik> im on ssd and it may only work on hdd
[22:41] <ironhalik> they promised like, 3 seconds
[22:41] <valdur55> DropsOfSerenity, look this file:  ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml
[22:42] <DropsOfSerenity> valdur55, that's an openbox file.
[22:42] <guntbert> DropsOfSerenity: lubuntu uses opnbox
[22:43] <valdur55> DropsOfSerenity, leafpad ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml
[22:43] <valdur55> oh wait.. i will give you  sed command
[22:44] <DropsOfSerenity> valdur55, that file doesn't exist on ubuntu 12.04 i'm not using lubuntu.
[22:44] <valdur55> Damn it! I missed....
[22:45] <valdur55> i tought that you are using lxde :)
[22:45] <valdur55> DropsOfSerenity, on gnome system is dconf item...
[22:58] <DropsOfSerenity> valdur55, thanks i'll check out dconf :)
[23:22] <JamesMR> Is there currently a way to update software sources using a GUI in precise?
[23:22] <zzecool> yes
[23:22] <zzecool> open dash type sources
[23:23] <zzecool> or you can access thes same through synaptic
[23:23] <ironhalik> actually, the software sources entry is not there anymore
[23:23] <zzecool> it is for me
[23:23] <JamesMR> it isn't
[23:23] <JamesMR> not here, on a fresh install
[23:24] <JamesMR> running today's daily iso
[23:24] <zzecool> do you have synaptic installed?
[23:24] <ironhalik> you can go to software center -> edit -> software sources
[23:24] <JamesMR> I've got to the software sources through the software centre
[23:24] <JamesMR> but I can't find a way of reloading them
[23:24] <JamesMR> or any equivelant of apt-get update
[23:24] <zzecool> JamesMR: after of any change it is gonna reload
[23:24] <zzecool> auto
[23:25] <zzecool> install synaptic
[23:25] <urfr332gO> JamesMR, untick the cd and run a udate in the terminal.
[23:25] <urfr332gO> update
[23:25] <ironhalik> huh, the software center is really nice, except that I used it like less then five times since they implemented it :>
[23:25] <JamesMR> zzecool: I don't want to install synaptic, I'm making a video for a non technical friend
[23:25] <JamesMR> urfr332gO: I'm avoiding terminal for the same reason as above
[23:26] <urfr332gO> JamesMR, if you tick any repos you have to run a update to load them
[23:26] <JamesMR> I know that much, I'm trying to find out how to trigger said update from the GUI
[23:26] <urfr332gO> not upgrade but update
[23:26] <JamesMR> ok, my bad
[23:26] <zzecool> adding sources is technical procedure a non tech friend should stay on official
[23:27] <zzecool> or else he must you tech ways - solutions
[23:27] <JamesMR> for the software they're needing to install the only other ways are uglier
[23:27] <zzecool> you = use
[23:28] <JamesMR> Is there a way to do what I'm asking?
[23:28] <zzecool> we all rdy told you every possible one
[23:28] <zzecool> if you are an IT or something there is one more
[23:28] <JamesMR> so the answer is no?
[23:29] <JamesMR> the other option being?
[23:29] <zzecool> to make a deb package that will auto add the repositories
[23:30] <zzecool> So you can have one deb to install as many 3rd party repos you want
[23:30] <JamesMR> so the deb can just add the sources, then the user can use the software centre?
[23:30] <zzecool> yes
[23:30] <zzecool> after an update
[23:30] <zzecool> using the uptade manager
[23:30] <zzecool> update8
[23:31] <JamesMR> ok
[23:31] <JamesMR> wait
[23:31] <JamesMR> update manager will update the software source lists?
[23:31] <zzecool> yes
[23:32] <zzecool> and probably will give you access to the software repos
[23:32] <zzecool> if you press setings
[23:32] <zzecool> settings*
[23:32] <JamesMR> okay, that answers my question
[23:32] <JamesMR> thanks
[23:32] <zzecool> np
[23:33] <zzecool> what are you using for the screen recording
[23:33] <zzecool> ?
[23:33] <zzecool> JamesMR: ?
[23:33] <JamesMR> zzecool: I'm using kazam
[23:33] <zzecool> ahh nice that was going to be my advice
[23:33] <zzecool> but you are there allrdy
[23:34] <zzecool> a trick for smooth video
[23:34] <JamesMR> you involved in its development at all?
[23:34] <zzecool> is to use 10 or 15 fps
[23:34] <zzecool> more willl produce low performance and low fps
[23:34] <zzecool> choosing 60 fps gives you worst result than choosing 10
[23:34] <zzecool> ;p
[23:35] <zzecool> a trick
[23:35] <zzecool> JamesMR: no
[23:35] <zzecool> JamesMR: im just a poweruser
[23:35] <zzecool> :)
[23:35] <JamesMR> aah
[23:35] <JamesMR> :D
[23:35] <JamesMR> wow, thanks for the tip
[23:35] <zzecool> np
[23:36] <JamesMR> do you happen to know if there are any bugs that cut audio off after 30 seconds ish?
[23:36] <zzecool> no never had a problem like that
[23:36] <zzecool> lower you fps may solve this one too
[23:36] <zzecool> you may overload the memory and cpu ;p
[23:36] <JamesMR> aah
[23:37] <JamesMR> that sounds very plausible, especially as I'm recording a VM too
[23:37] <zzecool> the best screencast app
[23:37] <zzecool> i ever used in linux
[23:37] <zzecool> is the build in gnome shell one
[23:37] <zzecool> i think its unbeatable in performance
[23:37] <zzecool> :)
[23:37] <JamesMR> aah
[23:37] <JamesMR> It's almost as good as camtasia is for windows
[23:37] <JamesMR> which I like
[23:37] <zzecool> but you dont have it in unity :
[23:37] <zzecool> :)
[23:37] <JamesMR> I'm running it from source
[23:43] <popey> JamesMR: bugs welcome if you find them ☺
[23:44] <JamesMR> popey: I need my hand held when reporting bugs, for some reason they terrify me
[23:44] <popey> heh
[23:45] <popey> jono just made a screencast about how to file a bug funnily enough ☺
[23:45] <JamesMR> ooh
[23:45] <JamesMR> got a link?
[23:49] <ironhalik> is there a way to make the unrar progress bar work in gnome?
[23:50] <JamesMR> popey: was it kazam you used (I think it was you..) to make that short video walking around in minecraft?
[23:52] <popey> yes
[23:52] <JamesMR> ahaa
[23:52] <JamesMR> I'd been searching around G+ earlier trying to find that post, couldn't find it
[23:53] <JamesMR> in the end, by chance; your mirror, dobey, informed me of kazam