[00:00] I also wonder about performance. Usually you'll want one of the two and for something that you will likely use for five years or more the extra up-front cost will be well worth it, if it's budgetable. [00:01] well to honest our developers claimed that the performance of the dell powervault to be superior to the netapp [00:02] tomodachi: Using Dell switches? I'm highly suspicious of them. [00:03] the Dell Equalogic boxes are quite nice (or were) [00:04] cheako: they call some of their storage products that [00:04] think its this one http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/powervault-nx3500/pd?~ck= [00:04] im not the one who ordered it , fairly pleased with the netapp [00:04] this stuff is more "beta" [00:04] for me [00:06] we use netapp at work, its awesome [00:19] Anyone here by chance? [00:19] shhhh we're sleeping [00:20] ok [00:20] :-) [00:20] * Daekdroom is insomniac [00:20] what is the nature of your question? [00:20] easy for some complicated for others :-) [00:20] bjrohan: are you using precise? [00:21] I have a home wireless network through a router. I had 11.10 on both machines. I updated the laptop to 12.04 Alpha 2, and now I can not file share :-(. I can however desktop share [00:21] ActionParsnip: nice seeing you here again [00:21] ActionParsnip: I have precise on laptop, 11.10 on desktop [00:22] bjrohan: the precise bit may be the issue [00:22] bjrohan: Can't share in either direction? [00:22] Good, in a way [00:22] bjrohan: are there any bugs reported? [00:22] correct not in either direction [00:22] the systems can see their own shares though, just not the other system's [00:23] The day before I upgraded laptop, I removed my wireless router and connected computers via wireless modem (from dsl company) so I don't know if it was switching the modem piece, or the upgrade piece [00:23] ActionParsnip: that is what it looks like to me via smbtree. I am a Linux newbie (about 2 months). [00:27] bjrohan: then why are you using alpha releases [00:27] bjrohan: it is still quite buggy and will cause issues. [00:27] ActionParsnip: glutton for punishment? When I upgraded, didn't realize it was alpha, thought beta :-( [00:28] I do the same with my android phones, but I understand those much better (Root, ROM's, customizing etc) [00:28] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule [00:28] not beta til March 1st [00:29] bjrohan: android can access samba shares with andsmb [00:30] bjrohan: I guess if I was trying to debug a sharing issue like that I might take something like wireshark to it to see what was actually going over the network, and there are some other samba tools to prod the other end to see what's around - but I've not debugged samba issues for years [00:30] I had no idea on the android smb [00:31] it can connect to ssh with and-ftp [00:32] I have used gui's in the past android VNC for desktop sharing. recently though I haven't been able to get a dynamic dns to work with the generic dsl modem. I have dd-wrt running on the wireless router that crapped out [00:32] I know about enough to cause me trouble [00:34] bjrohan: there is a dyndns client on ubuntu which you can install [00:34] i use noip2 as I use no-ip.com for the same purpose [00:35] bjrohan: i use ddclient as a dyndns client [00:35] I have a no-ip account, didn't realize you can run it on Ubuntu, and not on the modem/router [00:35] I will take a look, will make it far easier [00:35] !info noip2 [00:35] Package noip2 does not exist in precise [00:35] darn [00:36] !info noip2 oneiric [00:36] noip2 (source: no-ip): client for dynamic DNS service. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1.9-3 (oneiric), package size 83 kB, installed size 260 kB [00:36] everything works okay for me currently, the only issue with no file share is auto backup of laptop [00:36] ubottu is wrong, it's in the universe repo [00:36] ActionParsnip: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [00:36] hehehehe [00:37] http://paste.ubuntu.com/854787/ [00:37] oops thas oneiric [00:38] So I can set up ddclient with my noip account, then be able to use smb ob my Galaxy Nexus, as well as VNC? Currently I am using TeamViewer free on nexus and ubuntu laptop [00:40] bjrohan: i wouldnt use vnc over WWW [00:40] ok [00:40] bjrohan: why do you use teamviewer / vnc? [00:40] bjrohan: what do you do on the remote system? [00:41] In all honesty, nothing. I do find that every once in a while it would be nice to have access to files on my home computers when I an out and about. Not necessary to have control of the computers themselves [00:42] I had just found things like teamviewer easy to give me access to email the file to someone or myself [00:42] bjrohan: you can use sftp and samba for file access [00:42] As I now Know :-) [00:43] I will delve into it. Do you know if no-ip will give 2 different accounts? I would like to set one up for my laptop, and one for desktop, my laptop of course is not always behind the same router [00:44] bjrohan: the no-ip etc keeps the WAN IP of your router up to date for the name you have [00:44] bjrohan: yu don't have one for each PC, unless you have 2 internet connections and 2 routers [00:44] What if I have my laptop somewhere else in the world, and not connected to my home network (rare but happens) [00:45] bjrohan: to connect to 2 different systems behind the same router, you will need to port forward a oprt for each system and each service you connect to [00:45] bjrohan: if your laptop is outside your LAN, you will use your dns name to access your system back at home [00:46] correct, but what if laptop is not behind my home network, but somewhere else? [00:47] I will do first things first and try to set up the centurytel dsl modem to work with no ip [00:48] that is done on the modem correct? then port forward to appropriate computer [00:48] bjrohan: the port forward is done in the router [00:48] bjrohan: if your system is inside the LAN it will use the class C IP or the server's name [00:49] correct. when I had dd-wrt on a router, I could tell it my no-ip acct info, and it would stay updated [00:49] bjrohan: if you are outside the LAN you will use the name you have with noip etc and the port forwarding will happen [00:49] bjrohan: if you install the noip client on the laptop and go outside yur LAN, the updated name's IP will update for the IP where the laptop is and it won't work [00:50] bjrohan: you only need the update app on the system which is inside the LAN so that if your WAN IP changes, it is updated in the DNS [00:51] Gotcha. So set up ddclient on the desktop, since it is always behing the DSL modem with wireless router [00:51] and then port forward router to desktop, and to laptop (plus any other compter I wish to add) [00:52] and use ports 5900 and 5800? [00:52] bjrohan: i wouldnt use vnc over WAN, it has zero security [00:53] i'm getting this error after an apt-get upgrade Internal Error, No file name for libgcc1 [00:53] correct. I just want to set this up for file sharing via my phone, not vnc [00:53] Did the keyboard shortcuts for switching workspaces just get changed in 12.04? [00:53] anyone else run into this? [00:54] bjrohan: then install openssh-server and you will get an sftp server by default. [00:54] bucky: Haven't seen that [00:54] bucky: any bugs reported? [00:54] 'mkay [00:55] ActionParsnip: I still need to set up the dynamic dns correct? [00:55] googled and haven't found any.. I'll look some more [00:56] bucky: try: http://paste.ubuntu.com/854800/ [00:56] bjrohan: if you want the name to be updated if and when your IP of your home router changes, yes [00:57] Okay. I don't think it will, but I hate to be 1,000 miles away, and it does [00:57] dmj726: Someone mentioned it here before, I guess it might be so. [00:58] wondering if it was a bug or an intentional change [00:59] has anyone else updated their precise today and had it happen? [00:59] also, thanks to the change you have to look at the keyboard shortcuts while switching workspaces :P [01:06] bjrohan: indeed, plus its light :) [01:06] I just redid my dyndns account for the free trial, then cancelled, to get the 1 free hostname [01:10] What are the common ports to forward for computer access? [01:10] bjrohan: TCP/22 [01:11] how do I do that with 2 different computers I want to access? [01:14] bjrohan: you will need to use a different port for the other system but forward it to port 22 on the other system [01:15] Gotcha. port forward 23 on the router to 22 on the computer [01:15] * penguin42 generally prefers to use something other than 22 externally anyway - 22 gets portscanned like hell [01:16] Gotcha. What should I use to best access (preferably gui based) files on my home computer via my Nexus? ftp, smb? [01:17] yowsa my unity panel turned green [01:21] bjrohan: if you just want file access, why do you need a GUI? [01:22] So I can see my files easier. [01:22] bjrohan: the file browser you use will show the files [01:22] Gotcha, like ES File Browser on android? [01:23] I just downloaded andsmb to check it out it is GUI [01:23] bjrohan: no idea what ES file browser is, sorry [01:25] just a file browser for android [01:26] I have dyndns configured on my dsl modem/router. To enable ftp for my Ubuntu laptop, do I need to install the ftp server? [01:27] bjrohan: openssh-server gives an sftp server [01:28] Ah, it looks like I have it installed on my laptop already. so now portforward port on my modem to which port on my laptop? [01:29] bjrohan: the port on the desktop you mean...# [01:29] First, how can I tell that the openssh server is running? [01:30] yes, the port on my computer [01:30] so tell me modem to port forward say, port 30, to port XX on my laptop [01:30] bjrohan: port 22 to port 22 on the server, thought that was obvious.. [01:31] penguin recommended a different port [01:31] then if I want to do a different computer, port forward 23 to 22 on the second computer [01:40] ActionParsnip, that paste you gave me solved it... thank you [01:41] bucky: its a handy script of mine [01:42] you nailed it [01:42] dmj726, Holding down the ‘Super’ key displays a Keyboard shortcut overlay on the desktop [01:42] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/02/unity-5-2-lands-in-precise-brings-numerous-changes/ [01:43] bucky: yes [01:43] but when I updated precise today, I noticed that the keyboard shortcut for changing workspaces had changed [01:43] hmm... ic [01:44] it had been ctrl+alt+ for years [01:44] after updating precise super+shift+ changed workspaces instead [01:45] I'm not sure it the changing of keyboard shortcuts was a bug on my computer's part or a deliberate change in Ubuntu [01:45] ah! thanks for the tip... i hate changes like those because i'm getting senile [01:45] that would be horrible - especially for those of us with Model-M keyboards :-) [01:46] * ActionParsnip only uses one workspace... [01:46] haha [01:46] ActionParsnip: But where do you put everything...... [01:47] dmj726: the new keyboard shortcuts were an intentional change [01:47] ah, why were they changed? [01:49] penguin42: like what? [01:50] Design thought it was a good idea, maybe to make more of the Unity shortcuts revolve around the Super key [01:50] ActionParsnip: The other 140 windows! [01:50] Yeah looking at http://launchpadlibrarian.net/93988471/unity_5.4.0-0ubuntu1_5.4.0-0ubuntu2.diff.gz it's clearly intentional... as to why, no clue... [01:51] penguin42: I use 2 or 3 windows, tops [01:52] penguin42: browser and pidgin, the rest I do ni guake which hides and shows when I hit F12 [01:53] ActionParsnip: 6 on this machine about 10-15 on the other one - I open windows everywhere; my desktop is like my real desk; just as unorganised [01:54] penguin42: probably why you use the desktops feature, the others are completely unused here, so I remove the workspaces and save RAM [01:54] ActionParsnip: openssh is an ftp server? [01:55] !info openssh | bjrohan [01:55] ActionParsnip: rather openssh-server is an ftp server? I am trying to access it as such from my phone to no avail [01:55] bjrohan: Package openssh does not exist in precise [01:55] er [01:55] yes it does ubottu [01:55] !info openssh-server precise | bjrohan [01:55] bjrohan: openssh-server (source: openssh): secure shell (SSH) server, for secure access from remote machines. In component main, is optional. Version 1:5.9p1-2ubuntu2 (precise), package size 332 kB, installed size 814 kB (Only available for any all) [01:55] "Only available for any all" [01:55] That makes sense. [01:55] * log pets ubottu. [01:55] :) [01:56] bjrohan: it gives a secure ftp server, hence sftp [01:56] note sftp != ftp [01:56] bjrohan: openssh isnt a package [01:56] ahh [01:56] !info openssh-client [01:56] openssh-client (source: openssh): secure shell (SSH) client, for secure access to remote machines. In component main, is standard. Version 1:5.9p1-2ubuntu2 (precise), package size 938 kB, installed size 2296 kB (Only available for any all) [01:56] !info openssh-server [01:56] openssh-server (source: openssh): secure shell (SSH) server, for secure access from remote machines. In component main, is optional. Version 1:5.9p1-2ubuntu2 (precise), package size 332 kB, installed size 814 kB (Only available for any all) [01:56] that is prolly the issue, ES File Explorer only gives ftp option, not sftp [01:56] bjrohan: not openssh [01:56] bjrohan: ftp is hopelessly insecure [01:57] actually, think of a word 10 times worse than hopelessly [01:57] ftp should die [01:57] nod [01:58] given the issues I am having with Samba on the inside of my LAN between desktop and laptop running Precise, probably shouldn't try to set up SMB on Galaxy Nexus just yet? [01:58] yeh, get it working in the simple case first [01:59] I can access my laptop via connecting my Nexus to LAN just fine, not trying to get it to access it outside lan (using dyndns) [02:01] How do I set up username password in openssh server? [02:02] with andFTP it says I am connected, but no files are showing :-( [02:08] bjrohan: andsmb can connect to samba shares just dandy. I use it over wifi instead of slowass bluetooth [02:09] bjrohan: you set the username and password in the app [02:10] Is there a default username and password on openSSH server, or in my phone app just leave it blank? When I do, it says it can't confirm credentials [02:11] authentication failed. I assume that means it is at least finding my laptop (dyndns and port forwarding are working okay) [02:16] bjrohan: its your ubuntu username and password [02:16] I connected my Nexus to my home network, and accessed my desktop via andsmb :-) [02:20] Gotcha [02:50] ActionParsnip: I can access both my desktop and laptop (12.04) via connecting my Nexus to my home network. Odd that I can connect to both, but the desktop and laptop can't connect to each other [02:50] ActionParsnip: I am however having issues connecting to either using my dyndns handle, any suggestions? [02:52] ActionParsnip: I have tried using my IP address, and it will still not connect, any ideas their as well? [02:55] bjrohan: you can connect to sftp via nautilus :) [02:55] How do I do that? [02:59] I went into server settings in Nautilus, then added the same info I have on my Nexus, and it says it can't find the server :-( [03:00] bjrohan: in the menus of nautilus, there is a 'connect to server' option (or similar), select ssh and type your credentials of the server system... [03:00] Yep, that is what I did, odd it can't log in, very odd [03:01] Identical credentials and settings I used to log in via my phone [03:01] is anyone going to fix fglrx? i just complained abot it on the unity channel, but they appear to be busy developing stuff [03:02] is anyone responsible for making sure it works? it doesnt appear so [03:02] snadge: bug #? [03:02] im on my phone, so harder for me to dig it up, one moment [03:03] snadge: you can ping me later with it if you like, or hop into #ubuntu-bugs sometime during the european or american work days [03:04] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/770283 [03:04] Launchpad bug 770283 in fglrx-installer (Ubuntu) "[fglrx]title bar does not update on non-maximized windows" [Undecided,Confirmed] [03:05] theres also an unrelated bug thats more recent, x just crashes when you play a video with totem/gstreamer [03:05] unsure if thats been reported [03:05] but radeon plays video ok [03:06] snadge: are other players ok? [03:06] havnt tried it, i switched back to radeon driver.. i can try it later [03:06] vlc or something, it might be glitchy xv support [03:07] im usuing catalyst 12.1 from amd, with --buildpkg Unity/precise [03:08] unrelated, it would be nice if fglrx-update package could track the current catalyst release, within a week or so of it being released by amd ;) [03:09] snadge: try gnome-mplayer :) [03:10] i understand the reason for having a "stable" tested version by default.. but the update package doesnt need to be well tested, people usually install that because they either need the hardware support, or a particular bug fix and/or optimisation === lolcat_ is now known as lolcat [06:37] hello all, does anyone know why the usual shortcut keys to move to another desktop has changed from ctrl alt left right up down, to shift-super left right up down? [07:38] hi all. how stable/unstable is 12.04? I have a desktop system I want to set up that I'll be using as my primary for a while & need to know if it's stable enough for daily use? [07:39] it is still alpha, so think abouit that, but i have been using 12.04 since the first the day it was released. it was kinda unstable, compiz crashed and logged em out the desktop and libreoffice would not open, but since 2 days ago, both those issues are resolved [07:39] i use it for work all day [07:40] psypher246: cool. how regularly are you running updates/upgrades? [07:40] everyday, first thing i do and then again in the afternoon [07:41] ok... I'll give it a try then [07:41] thanks [07:41] backup! [07:41] :) [07:42] but yeah try it out, it's pretty cool [07:49] Do I have to change something to get the desktop background at login screen? [07:50] aparently only background in a certain folder works [07:50] hold on lemme check [07:51] ah, I have one from my Pictures folder, maybe that is why it doesn't work [07:52] scarleo: /usr/share/backgrounds/ [07:52] so all the default backgrounds work [07:52] like the stalking ocelot which i use [07:53] I read somewhere that pictures folder works as well, but when I logged a bug about the /usr/share one not working I was told it was the olnly folder working at this time [07:53] psypher246, ok, thanks [07:53] my bug was fixed though by changing the background to something else and then abck to the ocelot, looks really good [07:57] psypher246, yeah, it's working now, too bad that ugly unstyled login still appears on user switch and screen lock, would be sweeter with the lightdm one [07:58] scarleo: it was running like that a week ago, but it was really buggy, every time i lock my screen it was practically unreadable and all cirrupted. so i guess they reverted it [08:00] ok [08:00] I remember reading something abt it [08:07] power usage really has improved a lot in 12.04, I just love this :) Big time [08:11] whenever screen goes off I'm down to 3,7 W now which gives abt 13 hours of battery life, fan is off almost all the time [08:19] scarleo: haven't really tried lately [08:19] just unplugged my power [08:19] only 1:30 left, not that great [08:19] psypher246, I have done some additional tweaking based on powertop as well [08:20] well the time alone doesn't really say much :) [08:21] true [08:21] prob only an hour :) [08:22] scarleo: never really played with powertop [08:22] psypher246, it makes a lot of difference [08:23] do you perhaps hacve a good powertop howto? [08:24] just install it, run it and move to the rightmost tab for applicable tweaks, it runs in terminal with sudo [08:24] very easy really [08:25] make sure you're on battery while running it and let it run for a while to stabilize [08:26] ok shot :) [08:27] what does it mean by bad and good? [08:28] bad are things that can be tweaked, use down arrow to select and enter to toggle to good [08:32] what kind of stuff did you change? [08:34] the only thing I made permanent (powertop tweaks are not permanent) are SATA link pm and VM writeback [08:34] rest of the stuff was already taken care of by 12.04 :) [08:35] well there are some PCI tweaks that can be done but they don't seem to make much difference on my machine [08:39] do i have to run the app each time at startup or is it a daemon>? [08:40] psypher246, whenever you switch to battery [08:40] cool [09:57] Hi, can I specify that I want ubiquity to `mount -o compress` my btrfs formatted target disk, so that any files it writes are compressed? [10:22] Hi, I'm trying to disable powersavings for wireless since they don't work well with my card. I have previously been able to put an empty file in /etc/pm/power.d/ wit the same name as the script to disable. This doesn't work in 12.04. [10:23] Has the behaviour changed? Or is it a bug? === om26er_ is now known as om26er [10:51] how can I find the UUID of my mountable partition? [10:51] want to add it to fstab to automount [10:53] ah /dev/disk/by-uuid [10:57] and btw fstab, linux could start adding discard to ssd drives by itself, already :) [11:00] sudo blkid [11:03] thx [11:03] it says the filesystem type is ntf [11:03] ntfs - should I set ntfs or ntfs-3g in fstab? [11:05] I think it's just ntfs [11:05] usually you'll want ntfs-3g [11:06] see examples section of the ntfs-3g manpage [11:07] I thought ntfs was the type and ntfs-3g was automatically used for that type [11:08] but you definitely know more about that than me :) [11:08] well, Ill try ntfs-3g at reboot [11:09] ok, ntfs-3g worked [11:09] and my GF had her show interrupted [11:12] always the way [11:12] hmm, and 'ntfs' worked too [11:12] in theory it should be the same thing [11:12] i thought kernel ntfs was deprecated [11:13] it certainly doesnt have write support anyway [11:13] hmm, seems my wireless issue is resolved in 12.04 [11:13] thats a relief [11:13] happy days [11:13] yup. [11:13] i'm downloading Lubuntu now, simply because KDE and Unity repulse me [11:13] but... at least i know it should work [11:14] im on a train atm.. using unity [11:14] its not so bad, if you labotomise yourself [11:14] lol [11:14] guys, just because unity is different dosnt mean we should laugh at it ;> [11:14] I personally like it, the GUI/CLI mix of it [11:14] KDE isn't to bad, i just hate all the extra crap it installs [11:14] seriously though, if you learn the shortcuts.. maybe read a guide on how to get up to speed with it [11:14] its actually pretty cool [11:15] i like the extra screen space i get with unity.. that rocks [11:15] for all the bitching and moaning i do about unity.. i still think its better than gnome-shell [11:15] i honestly can think of very few things i like about unity. [11:15] I would use lxde or xfce on ma lappy if it had this 'super key -> type -> enter' function [11:16] you just need to change the way you think about using a desktop [11:16] windows 95 was 17 years ago [11:16] no [11:16] for me, lxde still lives in the windows start era ;> [11:16] i like a clean, simple UI [11:16] for every gripe you have about unity.. theres either a way to fix it.. or a different way of doing the same thing, thats more efficient [11:17] nothing is simpler than unity [11:17] kde, unity, and even xfce does none of that. [11:17] but not my idea of clean [11:17] theres one bar at the top.. the launcher auto hides for me [11:17] and frankly,i don't think it's all that simple either [11:17] strikes me as very weird [11:17] you just have to give it time.. more than 5 minutes [11:17] it took me a few days to get used to it.. now i honestly cant understand why people did things the way they did befoer [11:18] generally, you can like it or not, matter of prefference - only thing that annoyed me is when torvalds proclaimed xfce is now the proper desktop because gnome changed too much with shell ;> [11:18] well no offence.. but torvalds doesnt know shit about guis [11:18] i agree w/ him, gnome3 is awful [11:18] thats why he is a kernel developer [11:18] snadge: tone down that language pleas.e [11:19] if he gave it more than 5 minutes.. and used some of that massive brainpower of his to understand why things have changed that way [11:19] KM0201: I use gnome shell on lappy, and some parts of it could make it into unity - like the alt tab behavior, the window expose when you open the shell etc [11:19] then maybe he might change his opinion.. but he is a busy man.. and just wants to do things the way he always has, and get on with whatever it is he wants to do [11:20] i dunno [11:20] i'm jhust happy mmy wireless is apparently working well... i wasn't holding out much hope... :) [11:20] i like unity's alt-tab [11:20] its very configurable also [11:21] snadge: it has problems with workspaces, and when you tell it to prefer current workspace, it wont show windows on other workspaces [11:21] KM0201: if it works in 12.04 you probably could make it work in 11.10 too, with some playing with modules and confs [11:22] yeah im talking about ubuntu in 12.04 [11:22] err unity rather.. its alt-tab behaviour is superior [11:22] ironhalik, probably, but i'm not really interested in doing that [11:23] KM0201: theres a good chance youll have other problems with 12.04, in its current state [11:23] ironhalik, i can work through that [11:23] i'm not a nnew user by any stretch, just been way to busy to really participate [11:25] btw, regarding OSS and GUIs [11:25] I gate GIMP for that [11:25] hate* [11:26] ironhalik, RE:'super key -> type -> enter' function' Hey! Look synapse semantic launcher: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/11/synapse-gnome-do-launcher-app-review-ubuntu/ [11:29] valdur55: I heard something about it, or like it, way back - it allowed kde to search through IM logs, files, mails [11:29] it was in the XP era, so it was kinda new [11:29] but thanks, this looks nice [11:30] ironhalik, install it and you get this function :). [11:30] its a bit redundant in unity :P [11:32] :) [11:32] hmm, I could use a feature in unity [11:33] that would use the top edge to invoke expose [11:33] just use unity.. the more people who get used to it.. the better [11:33] it borrows a lot of ideas from windows 7, and macos X [11:34] in the same, cool, way that dash is now opened [11:34] and then some.. and people use those without too many issues [11:34] linux desktop users are stuck in the dark ages [11:34] and they bitch and moan like anything else when things change [11:34] OSS crowd, creatures of habit [11:35] admittedly i was one of them.. for the longest time i resisted unity [11:35] in the early stages.. it was incredibly buggy and foreign at the same time [11:35] so i continued to use the gnome classic option. until it was removed entirely [11:35] imho, with unity, you work faster and the GUI/OS layer gets less in the way [11:36] then i bit the bullet and tried it.. also tried gnome shell.. stuck with unity [11:36] now i like it [11:36] i also tried xfce.. and hated it [11:36] the newest version is awful [11:36] i honestly dont understand how people could prefer xfce over unity [11:37] its faster :P [11:37] i guess people really have to have their start button.. and their task list [11:37] I would use Ubuntu with unity, if it was faster on my lappy [11:37] now thinking about unity-2d [11:37] ironhalik, but there is unity2d :) [11:38] valdur55: I miss the workspace tansition effect :P [11:38] and expo [11:38] snadge: with windows7, start menu almost dies - it has the built in launcher/finder, and a quick app list [11:38] noone uses the directory tree in there [11:41] i hate win 7 [11:42] brb [11:52] I'm trying to disable powersavings for wireless since they don't work well with my card. I have put an empty file in /etc/pm/power.d/ with the name wireless. This seems to have no effect in 12.04. [11:53] Has the behaviour changed? Or is it a bug? [11:59] I think it would be better to use iwconfig wlan0 power off [12:00] and place it in /etc/rc.local [12:02] also, /etc/network/if-up/ - scripts in this folder will get executed on wifi up, you can place an executable script there === dgjones is now known as DJones [12:32] ironhalik, yes, question is if this is intended behaviour or a bug... I think there has been a lot of work done around pm scripts [12:37] 12.04 unity stuff is finally starting to look and feel very mature [13:32] why is hte install window for 12.04 black, you can't even read it [13:35] KM0201, it shouldn't be black. [13:35] To be honest, there were a considerable amount of people complaining about black windows lately. [13:37] i reccomended to use "Install lubuntu to hard disk" option selecting on splash screen. [13:50] crizzy: I seem to be getting better performance from unity then gnome-shell, even [13:50] I wonder how it will look like when gnome-shell drops 3d entirely in 3.4 [13:50] hmm [13:50] gnome-shell crashes like crazy on ati drivers :/ but at least it works with latest drivers.. [13:50] it resurrects itself in a second, though. but still crashes :p [13:53] i just got epileptic with changing applications in gnome-shell... no taskbar and that top corner expose... gets tiredsome after 3rd app change [13:56] epileptic, like seizure? [13:56]