| cjohnston | jcastro: you coming to visit next week? | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| cjohnston | balloons: you too | 00:00 |
| balloons | cjohnston, I appreciate the reminder | 00:00 |
| cjohnston | be awesome if you guys come | 00:00 |
| jcastro | cjohnston: yeah I need a time and place yo | 00:01 |
| jcastro | we want to make a weekend out of it | 00:01 |
| jcastro | so go to epcot or something on the other day | 00:01 |
| cjohnston | jcastro: my house | 00:01 |
| cjohnston | whenever | 00:01 |
| jcastro | mail me your address dude, ok off for real, bbl | 00:02 |
| balloons | anything special I have to do so I can accept merge requests in my branch? | 00:17 |
| balloons | doesn't look like it.. just wanted to make sure :-) | 00:18 |
| jono | jcastro, so I know you wanted to update the docs for the Juju accomplishments | 00:29 |
| jono | I created some docs for how to do this: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments/GetInvolved#Documenting_the_Ubuntu_Accomplishments | 00:29 |
| jono | it is as simple as downloading the branch, editing some files and submitting a merge proposal | 00:30 |
| jono | mhall119, so I got the LoCo Member accomplishment fixed and added | 00:36 |
| jono | if you just update your ubuntu-community-accomplishments branch it should work | 00:37 |
| balloons | I bid thee farewell.. but for a moment, and then we shall speak again.. till the morrow | 00:44 |
| balloons | cheers | 00:44 |
| jono | good work, balloons! | 00:46 |
| jono | stepping out | 02:16 |
| jono | biab | 02:16 |
| dholbach | good morning | 07:35 |
| popey | pleia2 / akgraner: apparently LWN accounts get deactivated if unused for 5 months. just mail Maria to get them re-enabled. | 07:37 |
| dpm | good morning all | 08:17 |
| benonsoftware | Hello dpm | 08:17 |
| dpm | hey benonsoftware :) | 08:17 |
| benonsoftware | How are you? | 08:18 |
| dpm | fine, somehow a bit tired today, but the weekend is nearly there... | 08:18 |
| dpm | how's everyone else? | 08:18 |
| benonsoftware | I must've had the most boring week I have ever had | 08:19 |
| dholbach | mhall119, https://code.launchpad.net/~maxolasersquad/ubuntu/precise/smplayer/add_quicklist/+merge/94500/comments/203805 | 08:27 |
| czajkowski | Morning all | 09:20 |
| czajkowski | jo-erlend: got a moment please? | 10:38 |
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| akgraner | popey, thank you! | 12:31 |
| popey | np | 12:34 |
| s-fox | Afternoon | 12:36 |
| akgraner | popey, 5 months goes by quickly , sometimes I look at LWN everyday but other times (when I get extremely busy) not at all for 5 months it seems ;-) | 12:37 |
| popey | i have it permanently pinned in my browser | 12:38 |
| popey | refresh it at least daily | 12:38 |
| akgraner | good idea thanks | 12:42 |
| * akgraner reads the Orange notebook lets see if I can break something today | 12:45 | |
| dpm | balloons, are you already online? | 12:53 |
| s-fox | balloons I just made your interview went live, thank you for taking the time to answer the questions :-) | 12:55 |
| akgraner | dholbach, I need to learn more about how a release (specifically Ubuntu) goes together from the packaging to the it's final and goes out to the world - where do I need to start my reading - do we (Ubuntu) have any documentation that walks someone through how all the pieces go together? (sorry if you are the right person to ask) | 12:57 |
| akgraner | if you are not - I meant to say | 12:57 |
| cprofitt | akgraner: that is such a small topic... :-) | 13:07 |
| cprofitt | s-fox: +1 gotta read that one | 13:07 |
| s-fox | cprofitt, http://serial-coder.co.uk/blog/2012/02/an-interview-with-balloons/ | 13:08 |
| akgraner | s-fox, I really enjoy your interview series! thanks for doing those. | 13:10 |
| akgraner | cprofitt, yeah I know, right. | 13:10 |
| akgraner | I'll bug Pete about it later I just know he is going to start with - here you need to understand how the compilers work, oh and here's the toolchain, I was hoping for a less indepth top level overview. :-) One can wish right. | 13:11 |
| s-fox | akgraner, Thanks, I wouldn't say "my" series (it was started in 2007 and has 3 different people running it ), I am just trying to keep it alive. :-) | 13:11 |
| s-fox | *has had | 13:11 |
| akgraner | s-fox, thank you. | 13:11 |
| s-fox | I love english ;) | 13:11 |
| Pendulum | akgraner: maybe talked to Kate? | 13:12 |
| akgraner | Pendulum, yeah that was my next thought | 13:13 |
| akgraner | I just wanted to read something first then talk to her, but I'll email her now. :-) | 13:14 |
| cprofitt | +1 akgraner | 13:14 |
| dpm | man, Unity 2D FTW, I could not get ustream's crappy flash widget to work on Unity (couldn't click on the popup to enable the camera), but Unity 2D saved the day! | 13:22 |
| dpm | Unity 2D looks gourgeous on precise, btw | 13:23 |
| dholbach | akgraner, you could try http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/ to start | 13:23 |
| akgraner | yep opened that one this morning :-) I like that site by the way and send other people to it all the time - guess it's time I have to start using it :-) | 13:24 |
| dpm | \o/ | 13:28 |
| dholbach | am I the only one for whom Ctrl-Alt-<cursor> does not work today? | 13:30 |
| akgraner | dholbach, I don't know what key <cursor> is - but by Ctrl-Alt- arrow keys are working well. | 13:42 |
| * mhall119 hates cars | 14:06 | |
| jcastro | hmmm | 14:13 |
| jcastro | ctrl-alt-arrows | 14:13 |
| jcastro | ends up I use them a lot | 14:13 |
| cjohnston | jcastro: get my email? | 14:13 |
| jcastro | I did | 14:14 |
| jcastro | was just going to respond | 14:14 |
| jcastro | but sure, sounds awesome! | 14:14 |
| dholbach | hum, for me it doesn't work | 14:14 |
| jcastro | hey what time is the jam likely to be? | 14:14 |
| jcastro | dholbach: nor me | 14:14 |
| jcastro | and compiz just drew a big white window on one of my monitors | 14:14 |
| mhall119 | jcastro: yeah, they changed ctrl+alt+arrow to super+shift+arrow | 14:14 |
| jcastro | WHAT. | 14:15 |
| dholbach | mhall119, what for? | 14:15 |
| mhall119 | jcastro: fortunately I found this really awesome program that lets you change it back, it's called compizconfig-setting-manager, you should try it | 14:15 |
| dholbach | ugh | 14:15 |
| jcastro | mhall119: no, I want it back to the way it was, not broken | 14:15 |
| jcastro | ugh | 14:15 |
| mhall119 | dholbach: I don't know why, I just noticed it after an upgrade | 14:15 |
| jcastro | this really sucks | 14:15 |
| cjohnston | when you get here.. ill be getting home about 8:15, beyond that, I don't care.. earlier the better as mhall119 has alot of work to do jcastro | 14:15 |
| jcastro | I love how when you switch desktops the keyboard shortcut overlay shows up | 14:15 |
| mhall119 | jcastro: you can probably change it via the keyboard shortcuts settings dialog too | 14:15 |
| mhall119 | cjohnston: I'm only going as a spectator | 14:16 |
| cjohnston | jcastro: the whole weekend? we are going to sea world saturday and sunday for concerts | 14:16 |
| cjohnston | mhall119: you said you were teaching me stuff | 14:17 |
| cjohnston | bbiaf | 14:17 |
| jcastro | cjohnston: when is the actual jam? | 14:17 |
| mhall119 | cjohnston: oh right, I did | 14:17 |
| cjohnston | jcastro: i think I said 10, but that was just cause I had to put a time.. last time mhall119 was there most of the day | 14:23 |
| cjohnston | balloons: you gonna make it? | 14:23 |
| jcastro | on the saturday? | 14:24 |
| s-fox | Got to say that the Ubuntu Accomplishments system is interesting. Fun nice idea | 14:30 |
| sagaci | I can't wait until it's implemented and my system crashes due to the trophies rolling in | 14:31 |
| cjohnston | jcastro: friday | 14:31 |
| jcastro | sagaci: we need a crash one! | 14:32 |
| sagaci | I fixd my GRUB :D | 14:32 |
| s-fox | You know what would be good, if planet ubuntu used user avatar from launchpad :-) | 14:34 |
| s-fox | Just noticed my hackergotchi is really out of date. Haha | 14:35 |
| sagaci | I guess it's a community tool but it can be also used as a discover-my-Ubuntu-machine, that is, Installed an app from the ubuntu software centre, etc | 14:35 |
| Pici | ops | 14:46 |
| jcastro | s-fox: the problem with avatars on launchpad | 14:46 |
| jcastro | is they suck | 14:46 |
| jcastro | you need to have an exact ratio | 14:46 |
| mhall119 | also getting an avatar out of launchpad is pretty hit or miss | 14:49 |
| s-fox | Project for the weekend, setting up bzr so can update my head image. Haha. Hope it isn't going to be "tricky" ;) | 14:49 |
| jcastro | I wish they would just use gravatar | 14:51 |
| jcastro | like, you can't just upload a pic and get a nice resizer thing either | 14:51 |
| s-fox | +1 gravatar | 14:51 |
| jcastro | you have to like, gimp it to get it the exact ratio | 14:51 |
| jcastro | and for some reason they use a custom size that no one else uses | 14:51 |
| jcastro | so I can't just reuse my gravatar | 14:51 |
| s-fox | Oh that is easy. Then again I do know my way around image editing... | 14:51 |
| s-fox | lol | 14:51 |
| jcastro | right, I know how to do it | 14:52 |
| jcastro | but it's like 2012 | 14:52 |
| jcastro | web services should just do that. | 14:52 |
| jcastro | or what we all really want, is just gravatar, heh | 14:52 |
| s-fox | File a bug? :D | 14:53 |
| * czajkowski marks it wishlist | 14:53 | |
| czajkowski | patches welcome :) | 14:53 |
| jcastro | https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/860508 | 14:53 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 860508 in launchpad "Use gravatar for default user image branding" [Low,Triaged] | 14:53 |
| s-fox | Would I be correct in thinking that only I can update my own head image? | 14:54 |
| jcastro | yeah | 14:55 |
| s-fox | Looks like fun project for the weekend then ;-) | 14:56 |
| jcastro | hey since I have you hear | 14:56 |
| jcastro | here even | 14:56 |
| jcastro | do you know if vbulletin 4.x supports Markdown? | 14:57 |
| s-fox | Don't know, could find out. Is that like the vote thing ask ubuntu uses? | 14:57 |
| jcastro | no, the text formatting | 14:59 |
| jcastro | so, launchpad uses, G+ uses it | 14:59 |
| jcastro | and hopefully whatever we do for the wiki next will use it | 14:59 |
| jcastro | anyway, the idea would be it would make it trivial to move content around if everything used Markdown | 14:59 |
| s-fox | I will find out | 14:59 |
| jcastro | like if I want to move something from AU to the wiki I am doomed | 15:00 |
| s-fox | The forum has some great howto's that should really be wiki pages imo | 15:00 |
| jcastro | but if while we're looking for upgrades that we have to do anyway and we can end up with everything using Markdown then that would be sooooo nice. | 15:00 |
| s-fox | I'd go with that :) | 15:00 |
| s-fox | I would also like to see the vBulletin smart phone pluggin installed. You'd be surprised as just how many times people have made the request. | 15:01 |
| s-fox | I guess first things first is to get the forum on 4.x though ;) | 15:05 |
| jcastro | indeed | 15:08 |
| jono | dpm, all set? | 15:30 |
| dpm | jono, yep! | 15:30 |
| technoviking | http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=262196&highlight=gravatar | 15:30 |
| jono | :-) | 15:30 |
| technoviking | I could test that plugin on my vB 4 box | 15:30 |
| s-fox | technoviking, Awesome :-) | 15:30 |
| s-fox | technoviking, Could you test out the mobile site plugin? | 15:31 |
| technoviking | taptalk? | 15:31 |
| s-fox | I'll check the name. | 15:31 |
| jcastro | oh man | 15:32 |
| jcastro | it would be cool if the forums just used gravatars too, one less thing! | 15:32 |
| s-fox | technoviking, http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=249277 | 15:32 |
| technoviking | will look into it | 15:33 |
| s-fox | That'd be grand, thanks | 15:33 |
| balloons | cjohnston, hmm sea world eh? :-) | 15:33 |
| dholbach | balloons, did you merge the changes I pushed before I called it a day yesterday? | 15:35 |
| dholbach | balloons, I assume https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/+junk/checkbox-app-testing is the new thing? | 15:35 |
| technoviking | hmmmm should I try latest daily iso or the last alpha iso | 15:35 |
| jcastro | s-fox: technoviking: It might be worth just browsing the plugins available and see if any are useful | 15:37 |
| jcastro | keeping in mind that we shouldn't use a plugin that would put us in the situation we are in now, heh | 15:37 |
| s-fox | I think we have to be careful jcastro , some don't scale well. | 15:38 |
| * jcastro nods | 15:38 | |
| technoviking | I'm trying to keep the new forum as KISS as possible | 15:38 |
| s-fox | For example we had a thanks feature that we had to pull, bit of a shame really. :/ | 15:38 |
| s-fox | +1 KISS technoviking | 15:40 |
| jcastro | can we have a "I hate you button" instead? | 15:40 |
| * jcastro just throws it out there | 15:40 | |
| s-fox | We have an ignore poster setting jcastro | 15:41 |
| balloons | dholbach, yes the new thing | 15:41 |
| balloons | i broke the build renaming it | 15:41 |
| balloons | on another note, i'm note getting my notifications.., sorry for the delayed response :-) | 15:41 |
| dholbach | balloons, working on it | 15:41 |
| dholbach | balloons, try merging from lp:~dholbach/+junk/checkbox-app-testing | 15:43 |
| dholbach | I'll also upload it to my PPA, so you can play around with it | 15:43 |
| dholbach | do you have your PPA set up now? | 15:43 |
| balloons | i do have my ppa setup | 15:44 |
| balloons | i wanted to push something to it | 15:44 |
| balloons | but broke things of cours | 15:44 |
| dholbach | AFAICS I fixed the build in my branch | 15:45 |
| balloons | trying it now | 15:48 |
| balloons | well seems to have worked | 15:48 |
| balloons | so tell me, what's the bzr bd command versus pbuilder? | 15:48 |
| dholbach | "bzr bd -S ..." transforms your branch contents into a source package | 15:49 |
| balloons | afaik, I build it with bzr bd, then package with pbuider | 15:49 |
| dholbach | which is the kind of thing pbuilder can build and dput can upload | 15:49 |
| balloons | ok, good.. I'm understanding then | 15:49 |
| dholbach | source packages are what the debian packaging tools always understood | 15:50 |
| dholbach | ubuntu distributed development (udd) branches are newer | 15:50 |
| balloons | ok, waiting for pbuilder to finish | 15:51 |
| balloons | then I will push to my ppa | 15:51 |
| technoviking | jcastro: We do have a I hate jcastro button, number 1 requested feature :) | 15:51 |
| * jcastro flexes | 15:51 | |
| dholbach | balloons, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dholbach/+junk/checkbox-app-testing/revision/5 is what made it build again | 15:52 |
| dholbach | mhall119, did you see the message about the merge proposal I sent earlier? | 15:52 |
| dholbach | mhall119, I can imagine that that's going to be the kind of reply many of the quicklist branches will get | 15:53 |
| mhall119 | dholbach: yup, just posted a blog about sending these changes upstream | 15:53 |
| dholbach | sweet | 15:53 |
| balloons | dholbach, yes I'll be reviewing a diff at some point to see | 15:53 |
| balloons | to see how to fix what I broke | 15:54 |
| jcastro | mhall119: I discovered a new tool! | 15:57 |
| jcastro | https://plus.google.com/116015965439782966698/posts/U9FEgC7Yxjh | 15:57 |
| jcastro | unity-tool | 15:57 |
| balloons | ok.. pbuilder donw | 15:58 |
| balloons | woot! ppa published | 15:59 |
| s-fox | \o/ | 15:59 |
| balloons | lol.. I don't see anything yet.. but, it says it published :-) | 16:00 |
| balloons | i assume I gotta wait for them to build | 16:01 |
| jono | balloons, dpm, jcastro, mhall119, dholbach demo time! | 16:02 |
| jono | starting the hangout | 16:02 |
| dholbach | go go go | 16:02 |
| balloons | wheeeeeee!!!!!!!!1 | 16:03 |
| jono | dpm, balloons did you see the invite? | 16:05 |
| balloons | clicking it now | 16:05 |
| balloons | wait for it , wait for it | 16:05 |
| balloons | loading loading | 16:05 |
| dpm | jono, yeah, but I'm alone in that hangout | 16:06 |
| dpm | let me retry... | 16:06 |
| bkerensa | Why will we wait till the end of the world for upstream to apply a patch instead of applying it locally? :P | 16:06 |
| jono | dpm, we are all here | 16:06 |
| mainerror | jono: Is there a place I can find all of the already implemented achievements? | 16:27 |
| jono | mainerror, right now the branch lp:ubuntu-community-accomplishments | 16:28 |
| jono | there is no list online yet | 16:28 |
| jono | mainerror, feel free to create accomplishments and submit a merge proposal | 16:28 |
| mainerror | Alright thank. :) | 16:28 |
| mainerror | I just wanted to make sure I don't suggest something that is already implemented. | 16:29 |
| doctormon | jono: Is it possible to make accomplishments into a seperate installable package? | 16:29 |
| mainerror | Awesome! My idea was not yet implemented. :) | 16:33 |
| doctormon | mainerror: What's your idea? | 16:34 |
| mainerror | UDS participation accomplishments. | 16:34 |
| doctormon | Ah, good idea | 16:35 |
| mainerror | The trophy image could be a nicely styled UDS scope logo. | 16:35 |
| mainerror | Like the Precise Pangolin logo for UDS-P for example. | 16:36 |
| bkerensa | mhall119: nice blog post | 16:43 |
| bkerensa | :D | 16:43 |
| jono | doctormon, totally, lp:ubuntu-community-accomplishments is just a package for ubuntu community ones, you could create one for another collection (e.g. OpenStack) | 16:45 |
| jono | mainerror, if you can write a script that detects attendance, we can do it | 16:45 |
| doctormon | Thinking of integration possibilities. I take it your open to it being used for none launchpad achievements? | 16:45 |
| mainerror | I'm trying to figure out how we could detect that. | 16:45 |
| mhall119 | hey doctormon, I've been looking for you | 16:47 |
| doctormon | mhall119: IRc is the only place! What can I do for you sir. | 16:47 |
| cjohnston | balloons: you coming to global jam is what i was asking | 16:47 |
| mhall119 | doctormon: dholbach says that you can use harvest to search for bugs from across projects on Launchpad | 16:48 |
| mhall119 | in your lens | 16:48 |
| balloons | cjohnston, yes. .I need to double check the details again cjohnston .. but i'm planning on attending | 16:48 |
| mhall119 | cjohnston: where are we doing the jam? Your house again? | 16:48 |
| cjohnston | balloons: Friday.. my house | 16:48 |
| balloons | next fri right? | 16:48 |
| doctormon | mhall119: That sounds ideal, perfect. Does it have a seperate API? .. actually I'll look into it. | 16:48 |
| technoviking | jcastro: is the launcher in both monitor how unity work now? | 16:50 |
| cjohnston | balloons: yes | 16:51 |
| dholbach | the only thing I had was my list of stuff we got through on FixIt Friday: http://pad.ubuntu.com/EUxOzMtupK :) | 16:55 |
| mhall119 | dholbach: can you point doctormon at an API for querying harvest bugs? | 16:57 |
| dholbach | http://harvest.ubuntu.com/services/opportunities/?opportunitylist=16 | 16:57 |
| dholbach | for example gives you the top 100 (I think?) bitesize opportunities | 16:57 |
| doctormon | dholbach: And harvest has a way to search for terms in launchpad bugs? | 16:58 |
| dholbach | harvest itself is very stupid | 16:58 |
| dholbach | it checks out lp:harvest-data and takes the urls in a file in there where it gets data from | 16:59 |
| dholbach | so harvest itself has no idea what bugs are, who an upstream is, or where to find branches and patches | 16:59 |
| dholbach | it just displays data others provide | 16:59 |
| doctormon | dholbach: I see how it's constructed. | 17:02 |
| dholbach | how what is constructed? | 17:02 |
| doctormon | Harvest | 17:02 |
| doctormon | I mean to say 'I understand, thank you for helping me get that understanding' | 17:03 |
| dholbach | I'm getting more and more confused | 17:03 |
| dholbach | lp:harvest has the source code for Harvest, lp:harvest-data contains a list of data sources for Harvest | 17:03 |
| dholbach | how can I help? :) | 17:04 |
| doctormon | Yes, I understand. :-) please smile for you have completed your epic quest of helping. | 17:04 |
| dholbach | 8-D | 17:05 |
| mhall119 | lol | 17:05 |
| doctormon | mhall119: Harvest is taking various bits of data; it's probbal that no services offers full bug searching because it would be technically impractical to do so. | 17:05 |
| mhall119 | doctormon: yeah | 17:06 |
| doctormon | Small services like Savannah do, but large ones like Sourceforge, launchpad and github all don't. They allow bug searching within a project only. | 17:06 |
| mhall119 | ones that are good about project isolation | 17:06 |
| doctormon | although maybe we can search for bugs in 'ubuntu' by default and let users use a different app for asking for per-project bugs. | 17:08 |
| mhall119 | doctormon: that would probably work, I think apport send them to ubuntu by default | 17:10 |
| jcastro | <-- lunch | 17:12 |
| cprofitt | nom, nom, nom, nom | 17:12 |
| bkerensa | oh Randall took photos with jam on his face | 17:49 |
| bkerensa | :D | 17:49 |
| bkerensa | I'm going to have to figure something out | 17:49 |
| dholbach | hahahaha | 17:53 |
| dholbach | awesome | 17:53 |
| dholbach | alright | 17:55 |
| dholbach | time to call it a day | 17:55 |
| dholbach | have a great WE everyone | 17:55 |
| pleia2 | have a nice weekend dholbach | 17:55 |
| doctormon | Hey pleia2, had a good week? | 17:56 |
| dholbach | thanks | 17:56 |
| pleia2 | doctormon: yes, and a busy week! you? | 17:56 |
| doctormon | pleia2: Not work busy, but certainly busy with baby. | 17:57 |
| pleia2 | :) | 17:57 |
| doctormon | pleia2: I know you're not a designer or programmer, but I trust your judgment. See the side three tabs in this shot: http://imagebin.org/200591 | 18:00 |
| doctormon | I'm trying to decide if splitting out code editing/commiting, research/code viewing and meta-administration like that is a good idea and certainly in that way. | 18:00 |
| pleia2 | doctormon: are you using an existing text editor for that panel? | 18:01 |
| doctormon | That's GtkSourceView, a special widget for highlighted text editing. | 18:01 |
| pleia2 | ah, ok | 18:01 |
| doctormon | (using in gedit) | 18:01 |
| doctormon | used in gedit* | 18:01 |
| * pleia2 nods | 18:02 | |
| pleia2 | what do the others look like? | 18:02 |
| pleia2 | I'd think committing and code viewing would be together, editing and research | 18:03 |
| doctormon | Yes but how do you put things like code search, examples, library documentation etc into a editing view? | 18:04 |
| pleia2 | can't really | 18:05 |
| doctormon | But I kind of expect people to open up projects to view them in the editor, people do that. | 18:07 |
| doctormon | Thanks for your input :-D | 18:07 |
| pleia2 | sure | 18:07 |
| jcastro | cjohnston: mhall119: hey so m_3 is charming summit | 18:29 |
| jcastro | he has questions | 18:29 |
| cjohnston | he asked me one | 18:29 |
| m_3 | jcastro: hey... so cjohnston answered a question about django | 18:29 |
| mhall119 | jcastro: you're the juju guy, cjohnston is the summit guy, my work here is done :) | 18:29 |
| jcastro | heh | 18:30 |
| m_3 | cjohnston: so for a typical deployment (jcastro, for the thing they need by monday)... | 18:30 |
| * cjohnston points to mhall119 for all questions about everything | 18:30 | |
| m_3 | is this typically done on a single hw server? django, postgresql, and memcached all running on that box? | 18:30 |
| cjohnston | yes | 18:30 |
| m_3 | yikes | 18:30 |
| m_3 | would ec2 be a useful place to host this? | 18:31 |
| m_3 | jcastro: what's the agreement with linux plumbers? | 18:31 |
| m_3 | are we providing hw? or recommending hw? or would they be interested in hosting on ec2? | 18:32 |
| m_3 | reason I'm asking is I have charms to put together django, postgresql, and memcache in three separate service units | 18:33 |
| m_3 | these'd be three separate ec2 instances, or openstack instances, or (with lots of work) three separate physical machines | 18:33 |
| mhall119 | m_3: give me one minute, in a meeting currently | 18:34 |
| m_3 | really four in all cases including the bootstrap node / orchestra server | 18:34 |
| jcastro | m_3: I don't think they care where. | 18:43 |
| mhall119 | m_3: I'm not sure if we currently have postgresql and memcached running on the same box or separate, you'd have to as IS | 18:44 |
| m_3 | mhall119: ok, just checking to see what folks are thinking | 18:48 |
| bkerensa | jono: Another Jam post: http://benjaminkerensa.com/2012/02/24/lets-jam-ubuntu | 18:48 |
| mhall119 | bkerensa: nice! | 18:48 |
| bkerensa | mhall119: Probably my last jam post this cycle bu I will continue to push on social | 18:50 |
| mhall119 | bkerensa: well it's the only global jam this cycle, so that's okay :) | 18:51 |
| bkerensa | mhall119: I have a suggestion of maybe holding a contest for best global jam event photo | 18:52 |
| bkerensa | ;) | 18:52 |
| m_3 | mhall119 cjohnston: so the most important thing to know at this point is "is it technically viable to host a production summit stack on ec2 for something like LinuxPlumbers?" | 19:00 |
| m_3 | or does it _have_ to live on the ground at the conference itself? | 19:00 |
| mhall119 | it can be in the cloud, that's fine | 19:01 |
| m_3 | mhall119: awesome... thanks! | 19:01 |
| mhall119 | UDS and Linaro Connect have been run from Canonical's network, not at the event itself | 19:01 |
| m_3 | excellent... then what I'm doing should work | 19:02 |
| mhall119 | awesome, and thanks so much for taking this on m_3 | 19:02 |
| m_3 | hopefully something to look at by Monday | 19:04 |
| balloons | my box is getting crushed | 19:25 |
| balloons | x keeps locking up when I cursor across monitors.. | 19:26 |
| balloons | :-( hard locks, have to punch the reset button.. crazy.. not even kernel magic key saves me :-( | 19:26 |
| * balloons wishes he had never updated today | 19:27 | |
| jcastro | jono: are you on a call? | 20:37 |
| jcastro | jono: because if you're not, crank this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urzCX4eZ6Bc&feature=related | 20:39 |
| bkerensa | jcastro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVmq9dq6Nsg | 20:49 |
| bkerensa | :D | 20:49 |
| jono | nice bkerensa! :-) | 21:03 |
| jono | jcastro, was on a call | 21:03 |
| jono | jcastro, I saw that :-) | 21:04 |
| jcastro | jono: did you want a charm update before EOD? I don't recall if you wanted me on Fridays starting this week or next. | 21:12 |
| jcastro | Daviey: do remember to ping me when you finish Alice's update, I can finish off that charm for good | 21:15 |
| bkerensa | jono: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-us-or/1553/detail/ <--- pretty good attendance RSVP for global jam so far eh? | 21:24 |
| bkerensa | :D | 21:24 |
| bkerensa | and thats not even the core of our regulars yet | 21:24 |
| bkerensa | I'm hoping for 30+ | 21:24 |
| bkerensa | "D | 21:24 |
| mhall119 | bkerensa: nice | 21:25 |
| mhall119 | bkerensa: btw, your interview is up on my blog | 21:25 |
| bkerensa | cool | 21:25 |
| mhall119 | http://mhall119.com/2012/02/how-ubuntu-oregon-runs-jams/ | 21:25 |
| bkerensa | mhall119: Wanna swap gigs for a day? You can mentor the 10 college students for me? :P | 21:25 |
| mhall119 | I'm linking to the picture in your blog, hope you don't mind | 21:25 |
| bkerensa | mhall119: Sure everything there is CC-SA | 21:25 |
| mhall119 | bkerensa: I'll be mentoring cjohnston | 21:25 |
| mhall119 | you sure you want that swap? | 21:25 |
| Daviey | jcastro: right, hopefully over the weekend.. Damn upstream swaped out a required lib with something not packaged | 21:25 |
| jcastro | Daviey: yeah I liked how it was in one place and then BAM, moved it on us | 21:26 |
| mhall119 | bkerensa: I was more concerned with using your bandwidth | 21:26 |
| jcastro | sneaky leedo | 21:26 |
| bkerensa | mhall119: I also have to go deploy a bunch of ethernet today and will be working till 7pm doing that in 40 degree weather? :P | 21:26 |
| mhall119 | "deploy a bunch of ethernet" meaning running wire? | 21:26 |
| bkerensa | mhall119: Yes... Cabling | 21:27 |
| mhall119 | ew, no, there's a reason I went into software instead of networking | 21:27 |
| mhall119 | I did that in highschool, never again | 21:27 |
| bkerensa | mhall119: Me too | 21:27 |
| * mhall119 can probably still recite the color pattern for those RJ-45 jacks | 21:27 | |
| bkerensa | mhall119: My school district hired me after high school :P was fun for awhile and is ok for occasional work | 21:27 |
| Daviey | jcastro: considering he actioned my bug (new release request) in Nov, but forgot to update/close the bug *sigh* | 21:28 |
| mhall119 | bkerensa: I somehow always got the job of running cables through older buildings with brick inner walls and no conduits :( | 21:28 |
| bkerensa | mhall119: My friend fell through the ceiling of our high school and lost a finger while running cable once | 21:29 |
| bkerensa | sucks | 21:29 |
| pleia2 | we frequently have to run cables above lockers in one school we (partimus) work in | 21:29 |
| mhall119 | wow | 21:29 |
| pleia2 | it's kind of awful | 21:29 |
| mhall119 | nothing that bad ever happened to be, thankfully | 21:29 |
| pleia2 | I am much better at wire crimping than I once was though :) | 21:29 |
| bkerensa | I hate when I have to work for people who want to do jobs cheap because they want to buy cable graded for indoor and use it outside and it only lasts a few months until the sun bakes it and it cracks | 21:30 |
| bkerensa | :D | 21:30 |
| pleia2 | I remember when I was living with a friend of mine and she had 5 cables crimped in the time I did one (we were wiring her whole house) | 21:30 |
| mhall119 | that's like saying you're better at applying bandages than you once were. It sounds good in theory, but usually means something is going horribly wrong | 21:30 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: My skill at crimping is shaky at best... Sometimes I have to crimp 2-3 times to get a good end | 21:30 |
| pleia2 | I still diligently test all my wires, but mostly because the testing tool is fun to use | 21:31 |
| bkerensa | so I always give myself extra slack because I usually have to take off connectors and re-crimp :P | 21:31 |
| mhall119 | pleia2: I once had the task of wriring a 200-seat call center | 21:31 |
| mhall119 | I got good fast | 21:31 |
| pleia2 | mhall119: I bet! | 21:31 |
| bkerensa | mhall119: We had to re-wire our entire high school and upgrade the NIC's in every computer on the campus | 21:32 |
| mhall119 | python is definitely better | 21:34 |
| mhall119 | even Java was better | 21:35 |
| JanC | makes me remember I still have a couple 100 meters of UTP a brought home after FOSDEM a couple of years ago ;) | 21:35 |
| mhall119 | heck *perl* is better than running cable | 21:35 |
| JanC | *I brought home* | 21:35 |
| bkerensa | mhall119: PHP for the win :P | 21:36 |
| JanC | Perl is fine if written by a sane person ;-) | 21:36 |
| pleia2 | I certainly don't miss the hardware work as a job, but I actually enjoy it on the weekends a few times a year | 21:36 |
| pleia2 | even before moving away from the area my boss had put me on full remote sysadmin duty, I haven't even racked a server at work in over 3 years | 21:37 |
| JanC | depending on the type (size, contents) of server, racking it can be hard work... | 21:38 |
| pleia2 | fortunately anything 4U and above we tend to send two people on site | 21:40 |
| JanC | pleia2: that sounds like a good idea, unless that one person is a powerlifter in their free time ;) | 21:41 |
| pleia2 | heh, seriously | 21:41 |
| JanC | oh, and I remember replacing 150 desktop PCs + displays (CRT --> TFT) in a 3-stage building without an elevator was hard work too... :P | 21:41 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: a 2U can be heavy | 21:42 |
| JanC | especially in the summer at 35 °C | 21:42 |
| mhall119 | bkerensa: I might actually prefer cabling to php | 21:42 |
| mhall119 | definitely would if the PHP is in Drupal | 21:43 |
| bkerensa | mhall119: Drupal is horrid | 21:43 |
| pleia2 | bkerensa: yeah, I am tired after racking a 2U but I have done it without killing myself :) | 21:43 |
| pleia2 | mhall119: haha | 21:43 |
| JanC | Drupal is actually a lot more sane than the majority of PHP apps, unfortunately | 21:44 |
| bkerensa | JanC: Wordpress :D | 21:44 |
| JanC | or joomla... | 21:44 |
| bkerensa | WP is my bread and butter with a dash of cabling here and there | 21:44 |
| bkerensa | :D | 21:44 |
| * JanC had to do forensics on a defaced Joomla site once | 21:45 | |
| mhall119 | drupal is worse than wordpress | 21:45 |
| JanC | obviously, not updating joomla for 7 months (~= 13 remote exploits) was not a good idea :P | 21:46 |
| bkerensa | mhall119: Indeed and Joomla is worse then Drupal.... Jeez why Joomla even exist anymore | 21:46 |
| bkerensa | :D | 21:46 |
| bkerensa | Portals are so yesterday | 21:46 |
| JanC | I told them they were lucky they weren't defaced half a year before ;) | 21:47 |
| mhall119 | isn't Joomla a fork of drupal? | 21:47 |
| JanC | nope | 21:47 |
| JanC | certainly not | 21:47 |
| bkerensa | mhall119: nah its a portal platform like phpnuke and others | 21:47 |
| mhall119 | wasn't there a drupal fork? | 21:47 |
| JanC | drupal, you can understand how it works, joomla is completely incomprehensible | 21:48 |
| JanC | joomla is a fork of something else | 21:48 |
| bkerensa | wasnt joomla called mambo? | 21:48 |
| JanC | a fork of Mambo | 21:48 |
| JanC | yes | 21:48 |
| bkerensa | and mambo was horrible too :P | 21:48 |
| JanC | well, it's still the same base AFAIK | 21:49 |
| JanC | at least the Drupal folks did some work to sanitize/secure their basic CMS code | 21:50 |
| pleia2 | bkerensa: oh man, phpnuke, you're giving me 2002 flashbacks :) | 21:50 |
| mhall119 | lol | 21:50 |
| jono | mhall119, can we have a quick G+ in a few mins | 22:01 |
| jono | balloons, hangout invite sent | 22:41 |
| balloons | k | 22:41 |
| balloons | audio is whacked out | 22:41 |
| balloons | so.. | 22:41 |
| balloons | should be fun | 22:41 |
| balloons | yep restarting i guess | 22:42 |
| balloons | it's borked | 22:42 |
| balloons | real terror this afternoon on my box | 22:43 |
| balloons | so much breakage | 22:43 |
| jono | haha | 22:43 |
| mhall119 | jono: sorry, was afk | 22:46 |
| mhall119 | sweet, India is having a global jam! | 22:48 |
| jono | mhall119, no worries, will ping in a bit, or just email you, I know it is getting late there | 22:55 |
| jcastro | man it's such a nice day too | 23:05 |
| jcastro | we should be at the beach | 23:05 |
| balloons | ohh yay! | 23:11 |
| balloons | such a nice day | 23:11 |
| balloons | northerners staying in my house yesterday and today.. they went to the beach today :-) | 23:11 |
| balloons | really really windy here tho | 23:11 |
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