[00:00] jcastro: you coming to visit next week? [00:00] balloons: you too [00:00] cjohnston, I appreciate the reminder [00:00] be awesome if you guys come [00:01] cjohnston: yeah I need a time and place yo [00:01] we want to make a weekend out of it [00:01] so go to epcot or something on the other day [00:01] jcastro: my house [00:01] whenever [00:02] mail me your address dude, ok off for real, bbl [00:17] anything special I have to do so I can accept merge requests in my branch? [00:18] doesn't look like it.. just wanted to make sure :-) [00:29] jcastro, so I know you wanted to update the docs for the Juju accomplishments [00:29] I created some docs for how to do this: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments/GetInvolved#Documenting_the_Ubuntu_Accomplishments [00:30] it is as simple as downloading the branch, editing some files and submitting a merge proposal [00:36] mhall119, so I got the LoCo Member accomplishment fixed and added [00:37] if you just update your ubuntu-community-accomplishments branch it should work [00:44] I bid thee farewell.. but for a moment, and then we shall speak again.. till the morrow [00:44] cheers [00:46] good work, balloons! [02:16] stepping out [02:16] biab [07:35] good morning [07:37] pleia2 / akgraner: apparently LWN accounts get deactivated if unused for 5 months. just mail Maria to get them re-enabled. [08:17] good morning all [08:17] Hello dpm [08:17] hey benonsoftware :) [08:18] How are you? [08:18] fine, somehow a bit tired today, but the weekend is nearly there... [08:18] how's everyone else? [08:19] I must've had the most boring week I have ever had [08:27] mhall119, https://code.launchpad.net/~maxolasersquad/ubuntu/precise/smplayer/add_quicklist/+merge/94500/comments/203805 [09:20] Morning all [10:38] jo-erlend: got a moment please? === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [12:31] popey, thank you! [12:34] np [12:36] Afternoon [12:37] popey, 5 months goes by quickly , sometimes I look at LWN everyday but other times (when I get extremely busy) not at all for 5 months it seems ;-) [12:38] i have it permanently pinned in my browser [12:38] refresh it at least daily [12:42] good idea thanks [12:45] * akgraner reads the Orange notebook lets see if I can break something today [12:53] balloons, are you already online? [12:55] balloons I just made your interview went live, thank you for taking the time to answer the questions :-) [12:57] dholbach, I need to learn more about how a release (specifically Ubuntu) goes together from the packaging to the it's final and goes out to the world - where do I need to start my reading - do we (Ubuntu) have any documentation that walks someone through how all the pieces go together? (sorry if you are the right person to ask) [12:57] if you are not - I meant to say [13:07] akgraner: that is such a small topic... :-) [13:07] s-fox: +1 gotta read that one [13:08] cprofitt, http://serial-coder.co.uk/blog/2012/02/an-interview-with-balloons/ [13:10] s-fox, I really enjoy your interview series! thanks for doing those. [13:10] cprofitt, yeah I know, right. [13:11] I'll bug Pete about it later I just know he is going to start with - here you need to understand how the compilers work, oh and here's the toolchain, I was hoping for a less indepth top level overview. :-) One can wish right. [13:11] akgraner, Thanks, I wouldn't say "my" series (it was started in 2007 and has 3 different people running it ), I am just trying to keep it alive. :-) [13:11] *has had [13:11] s-fox, thank you. [13:11] I love english ;) [13:12] akgraner: maybe talked to Kate? [13:13] Pendulum, yeah that was my next thought [13:14] I just wanted to read something first then talk to her, but I'll email her now. :-) [13:14] +1 akgraner [13:22] man, Unity 2D FTW, I could not get ustream's crappy flash widget to work on Unity (couldn't click on the popup to enable the camera), but Unity 2D saved the day! [13:23] Unity 2D looks gourgeous on precise, btw [13:23] akgraner, you could try http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/ to start [13:24] yep opened that one this morning :-) I like that site by the way and send other people to it all the time - guess it's time I have to start using it :-) [13:28] \o/ [13:30] am I the only one for whom Ctrl-Alt- does not work today? [13:42] dholbach, I don't know what key is - but by Ctrl-Alt- arrow keys are working well. [14:06] * mhall119 hates cars [14:13] hmmm [14:13] ctrl-alt-arrows [14:13] ends up I use them a lot [14:13] jcastro: get my email? [14:14] I did [14:14] was just going to respond [14:14] but sure, sounds awesome! [14:14] hum, for me it doesn't work [14:14] hey what time is the jam likely to be? [14:14] dholbach: nor me [14:14] and compiz just drew a big white window on one of my monitors [14:14] jcastro: yeah, they changed ctrl+alt+arrow to super+shift+arrow [14:15] WHAT. [14:15] mhall119, what for? [14:15] jcastro: fortunately I found this really awesome program that lets you change it back, it's called compizconfig-setting-manager, you should try it [14:15] ugh [14:15] mhall119: no, I want it back to the way it was, not broken [14:15] ugh [14:15] dholbach: I don't know why, I just noticed it after an upgrade [14:15] this really sucks [14:15] when you get here.. ill be getting home about 8:15, beyond that, I don't care.. earlier the better as mhall119 has alot of work to do jcastro [14:15] I love how when you switch desktops the keyboard shortcut overlay shows up [14:15] jcastro: you can probably change it via the keyboard shortcuts settings dialog too [14:16] cjohnston: I'm only going as a spectator [14:16] jcastro: the whole weekend? we are going to sea world saturday and sunday for concerts [14:17] mhall119: you said you were teaching me stuff [14:17] bbiaf [14:17] cjohnston: when is the actual jam? [14:17] cjohnston: oh right, I did [14:23] jcastro: i think I said 10, but that was just cause I had to put a time.. last time mhall119 was there most of the day [14:23] balloons: you gonna make it? [14:24] on the saturday? [14:30] Got to say that the Ubuntu Accomplishments system is interesting. Fun nice idea [14:31] I can't wait until it's implemented and my system crashes due to the trophies rolling in [14:31] jcastro: friday [14:32] sagaci: we need a crash one! [14:32] I fixd my GRUB :D [14:34] You know what would be good, if planet ubuntu used user avatar from launchpad :-) [14:35] Just noticed my hackergotchi is really out of date. Haha [14:35] I guess it's a community tool but it can be also used as a discover-my-Ubuntu-machine, that is, Installed an app from the ubuntu software centre, etc [14:46] ops [14:46] s-fox: the problem with avatars on launchpad [14:46] is they suck [14:46] you need to have an exact ratio [14:49] also getting an avatar out of launchpad is pretty hit or miss [14:49] Project for the weekend, setting up bzr so can update my head image. Haha. Hope it isn't going to be "tricky" ;) [14:51] I wish they would just use gravatar [14:51] like, you can't just upload a pic and get a nice resizer thing either [14:51] +1 gravatar [14:51] you have to like, gimp it to get it the exact ratio [14:51] and for some reason they use a custom size that no one else uses [14:51] so I can't just reuse my gravatar [14:51] Oh that is easy. Then again I do know my way around image editing... [14:51] lol [14:52] right, I know how to do it [14:52] but it's like 2012 [14:52] web services should just do that. [14:52] or what we all really want, is just gravatar, heh [14:53] File a bug? :D [14:53] * czajkowski marks it wishlist [14:53] patches welcome :) [14:53] https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/860508 [14:53] Launchpad bug 860508 in launchpad "Use gravatar for default user image branding" [Low,Triaged] [14:54] Would I be correct in thinking that only I can update my own head image? [14:55] yeah [14:56] Looks like fun project for the weekend then ;-) [14:56] hey since I have you hear [14:56] here even [14:57] do you know if vbulletin 4.x supports Markdown? [14:57] Don't know, could find out. Is that like the vote thing ask ubuntu uses? [14:59] no, the text formatting [14:59] so, launchpad uses, G+ uses it [14:59] and hopefully whatever we do for the wiki next will use it [14:59] anyway, the idea would be it would make it trivial to move content around if everything used Markdown [14:59] I will find out [15:00] like if I want to move something from AU to the wiki I am doomed [15:00] The forum has some great howto's that should really be wiki pages imo [15:00] but if while we're looking for upgrades that we have to do anyway and we can end up with everything using Markdown then that would be sooooo nice. [15:00] I'd go with that :) [15:01] I would also like to see the vBulletin smart phone pluggin installed. You'd be surprised as just how many times people have made the request. [15:05] I guess first things first is to get the forum on 4.x though ;) [15:08] indeed [15:30] dpm, all set? [15:30] jono, yep! [15:30] http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=262196&highlight=gravatar [15:30] :-) [15:30] I could test that plugin on my vB 4 box [15:30] technoviking, Awesome :-) [15:31] technoviking, Could you test out the mobile site plugin? [15:31] taptalk? [15:31] I'll check the name. [15:32] oh man [15:32] it would be cool if the forums just used gravatars too, one less thing! [15:32] technoviking, http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=249277 [15:33] will look into it [15:33] That'd be grand, thanks [15:33] cjohnston, hmm sea world eh? :-) [15:35] balloons, did you merge the changes I pushed before I called it a day yesterday? [15:35] balloons, I assume https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/+junk/checkbox-app-testing is the new thing? [15:35] hmmmm should I try latest daily iso or the last alpha iso [15:37] s-fox: technoviking: It might be worth just browsing the plugins available and see if any are useful [15:37] keeping in mind that we shouldn't use a plugin that would put us in the situation we are in now, heh [15:38] I think we have to be careful jcastro , some don't scale well. [15:38] * jcastro nods [15:38] I'm trying to keep the new forum as KISS as possible [15:38] For example we had a thanks feature that we had to pull, bit of a shame really. :/ [15:40] +1 KISS technoviking [15:40] can we have a "I hate you button" instead? [15:40] * jcastro just throws it out there [15:41] We have an ignore poster setting jcastro [15:41] dholbach, yes the new thing [15:41] i broke the build renaming it [15:41] on another note, i'm note getting my notifications.., sorry for the delayed response :-) [15:41] balloons, working on it [15:43] balloons, try merging from lp:~dholbach/+junk/checkbox-app-testing [15:43] I'll also upload it to my PPA, so you can play around with it [15:43] do you have your PPA set up now? [15:44] i do have my ppa setup [15:44] i wanted to push something to it [15:44] but broke things of cours [15:45] AFAICS I fixed the build in my branch [15:48] trying it now [15:48] well seems to have worked [15:48] so tell me, what's the bzr bd command versus pbuilder? [15:49] "bzr bd -S ..." transforms your branch contents into a source package [15:49] afaik, I build it with bzr bd, then package with pbuider [15:49] which is the kind of thing pbuilder can build and dput can upload [15:49] ok, good.. I'm understanding then [15:50] source packages are what the debian packaging tools always understood [15:50] ubuntu distributed development (udd) branches are newer [15:51] ok, waiting for pbuilder to finish [15:51] then I will push to my ppa [15:51] jcastro: We do have a I hate jcastro button, number 1 requested feature :) [15:51] * jcastro flexes [15:52] balloons, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dholbach/+junk/checkbox-app-testing/revision/5 is what made it build again [15:52] mhall119, did you see the message about the merge proposal I sent earlier? [15:53] mhall119, I can imagine that that's going to be the kind of reply many of the quicklist branches will get [15:53] dholbach: yup, just posted a blog about sending these changes upstream [15:53] sweet [15:53] dholbach, yes I'll be reviewing a diff at some point to see [15:54] to see how to fix what I broke [15:57] mhall119: I discovered a new tool! [15:57] https://plus.google.com/116015965439782966698/posts/U9FEgC7Yxjh [15:57] unity-tool [15:58] ok.. pbuilder donw [15:59] woot! ppa published [15:59] \o/ [16:00] lol.. I don't see anything yet.. but, it says it published :-) [16:01] i assume I gotta wait for them to build [16:02] balloons, dpm, jcastro, mhall119, dholbach demo time! [16:02] starting the hangout [16:02] go go go [16:03] wheeeeeee!!!!!!!!1 [16:05] dpm, balloons did you see the invite? [16:05] clicking it now [16:05] wait for it , wait for it [16:05] loading loading [16:06] jono, yeah, but I'm alone in that hangout [16:06] let me retry... [16:06] Why will we wait till the end of the world for upstream to apply a patch instead of applying it locally? :P [16:06] dpm, we are all here [16:27] jono: Is there a place I can find all of the already implemented achievements? [16:28] mainerror, right now the branch lp:ubuntu-community-accomplishments [16:28] there is no list online yet [16:28] mainerror, feel free to create accomplishments and submit a merge proposal [16:28] Alright thank. :) [16:29] I just wanted to make sure I don't suggest something that is already implemented. [16:29] jono: Is it possible to make accomplishments into a seperate installable package? [16:33] Awesome! My idea was not yet implemented. :) [16:34] mainerror: What's your idea? [16:34] UDS participation accomplishments. [16:35] Ah, good idea [16:35] The trophy image could be a nicely styled UDS scope logo. [16:36] Like the Precise Pangolin logo for UDS-P for example. [16:43] mhall119: nice blog post [16:43] :D [16:45] doctormon, totally, lp:ubuntu-community-accomplishments is just a package for ubuntu community ones, you could create one for another collection (e.g. OpenStack) [16:45] mainerror, if you can write a script that detects attendance, we can do it [16:45] Thinking of integration possibilities. I take it your open to it being used for none launchpad achievements? [16:45] I'm trying to figure out how we could detect that. [16:47] hey doctormon, I've been looking for you [16:47] mhall119: IRc is the only place! What can I do for you sir. [16:47] balloons: you coming to global jam is what i was asking [16:48] doctormon: dholbach says that you can use harvest to search for bugs from across projects on Launchpad [16:48] in your lens [16:48] cjohnston, yes. .I need to double check the details again cjohnston .. but i'm planning on attending [16:48] cjohnston: where are we doing the jam? Your house again? [16:48] balloons: Friday.. my house [16:48] next fri right? [16:48] mhall119: That sounds ideal, perfect. Does it have a seperate API? .. actually I'll look into it. [16:50] jcastro: is the launcher in both monitor how unity work now? [16:51] balloons: yes [16:55] the only thing I had was my list of stuff we got through on FixIt Friday: http://pad.ubuntu.com/EUxOzMtupK :) [16:57] dholbach: can you point doctormon at an API for querying harvest bugs? [16:57] http://harvest.ubuntu.com/services/opportunities/?opportunitylist=16 [16:57] for example gives you the top 100 (I think?) bitesize opportunities [16:58] dholbach: And harvest has a way to search for terms in launchpad bugs? [16:58] harvest itself is very stupid [16:59] it checks out lp:harvest-data and takes the urls in a file in there where it gets data from [16:59] so harvest itself has no idea what bugs are, who an upstream is, or where to find branches and patches [16:59] it just displays data others provide [17:02] dholbach: I see how it's constructed. [17:02] how what is constructed? [17:02] Harvest [17:03] I mean to say 'I understand, thank you for helping me get that understanding' [17:03] I'm getting more and more confused [17:03] lp:harvest has the source code for Harvest, lp:harvest-data contains a list of data sources for Harvest [17:04] how can I help? :) [17:04] Yes, I understand. :-) please smile for you have completed your epic quest of helping. [17:05] 8-D [17:05] lol [17:05] mhall119: Harvest is taking various bits of data; it's probbal that no services offers full bug searching because it would be technically impractical to do so. [17:06] doctormon: yeah [17:06] Small services like Savannah do, but large ones like Sourceforge, launchpad and github all don't. They allow bug searching within a project only. [17:06] ones that are good about project isolation [17:08] although maybe we can search for bugs in 'ubuntu' by default and let users use a different app for asking for per-project bugs. [17:10] doctormon: that would probably work, I think apport send them to ubuntu by default [17:12] <-- lunch [17:12] nom, nom, nom, nom [17:49] oh Randall took photos with jam on his face [17:49] :D [17:49] I'm going to have to figure something out [17:53] hahahaha [17:53] awesome [17:55] alright [17:55] time to call it a day [17:55] have a great WE everyone [17:55] have a nice weekend dholbach [17:56] Hey pleia2, had a good week? [17:56] thanks [17:56] doctormon: yes, and a busy week! you? [17:57] pleia2: Not work busy, but certainly busy with baby. [17:57] :) [18:00] pleia2: I know you're not a designer or programmer, but I trust your judgment. See the side three tabs in this shot: http://imagebin.org/200591 [18:00] I'm trying to decide if splitting out code editing/commiting, research/code viewing and meta-administration like that is a good idea and certainly in that way. [18:01] doctormon: are you using an existing text editor for that panel? [18:01] That's GtkSourceView, a special widget for highlighted text editing. [18:01] ah, ok [18:01] (using in gedit) [18:01] used in gedit* [18:02] * pleia2 nods [18:02] what do the others look like? [18:03] I'd think committing and code viewing would be together, editing and research [18:04] Yes but how do you put things like code search, examples, library documentation etc into a editing view? [18:05] can't really [18:07] But I kind of expect people to open up projects to view them in the editor, people do that. [18:07] Thanks for your input :-D [18:07] sure [18:29] cjohnston: mhall119: hey so m_3 is charming summit [18:29] he has questions [18:29] he asked me one [18:29] jcastro: hey... so cjohnston answered a question about django [18:29] jcastro: you're the juju guy, cjohnston is the summit guy, my work here is done :) [18:30] heh [18:30] cjohnston: so for a typical deployment (jcastro, for the thing they need by monday)... [18:30] * cjohnston points to mhall119 for all questions about everything [18:30] is this typically done on a single hw server? django, postgresql, and memcached all running on that box? [18:30] yes [18:30] yikes [18:31] would ec2 be a useful place to host this? [18:31] jcastro: what's the agreement with linux plumbers? [18:32] are we providing hw? or recommending hw? or would they be interested in hosting on ec2? [18:33] reason I'm asking is I have charms to put together django, postgresql, and memcache in three separate service units [18:33] these'd be three separate ec2 instances, or openstack instances, or (with lots of work) three separate physical machines [18:34] m_3: give me one minute, in a meeting currently [18:34] really four in all cases including the bootstrap node / orchestra server [18:43] m_3: I don't think they care where. [18:44] m_3: I'm not sure if we currently have postgresql and memcached running on the same box or separate, you'd have to as IS [18:48] mhall119: ok, just checking to see what folks are thinking [18:48] jono: Another Jam post: http://benjaminkerensa.com/2012/02/24/lets-jam-ubuntu [18:48] bkerensa: nice! [18:50] mhall119: Probably my last jam post this cycle bu I will continue to push on social [18:51] bkerensa: well it's the only global jam this cycle, so that's okay :) [18:52] mhall119: I have a suggestion of maybe holding a contest for best global jam event photo [18:52] ;) [19:00] mhall119 cjohnston: so the most important thing to know at this point is "is it technically viable to host a production summit stack on ec2 for something like LinuxPlumbers?" [19:00] or does it _have_ to live on the ground at the conference itself? [19:01] it can be in the cloud, that's fine [19:01] mhall119: awesome... thanks! [19:01] UDS and Linaro Connect have been run from Canonical's network, not at the event itself [19:02] excellent... then what I'm doing should work [19:02] awesome, and thanks so much for taking this on m_3 [19:04] hopefully something to look at by Monday [19:25] my box is getting crushed [19:26] x keeps locking up when I cursor across monitors.. [19:26] :-( hard locks, have to punch the reset button.. crazy.. not even kernel magic key saves me :-( [19:27] * balloons wishes he had never updated today [20:37] jono: are you on a call? [20:39] jono: because if you're not, crank this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urzCX4eZ6Bc&feature=related [20:49] jcastro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVmq9dq6Nsg [20:49] :D [21:03] nice bkerensa! :-) [21:03] jcastro, was on a call [21:04] jcastro, I saw that :-) [21:12] jono: did you want a charm update before EOD? I don't recall if you wanted me on Fridays starting this week or next. [21:15] Daviey: do remember to ping me when you finish Alice's update, I can finish off that charm for good [21:24] jono: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-us-or/1553/detail/ <--- pretty good attendance RSVP for global jam so far eh? [21:24] :D [21:24] and thats not even the core of our regulars yet [21:24] I'm hoping for 30+ [21:24] "D [21:25] bkerensa: nice [21:25] bkerensa: btw, your interview is up on my blog [21:25] cool [21:25] http://mhall119.com/2012/02/how-ubuntu-oregon-runs-jams/ [21:25] mhall119: Wanna swap gigs for a day? You can mentor the 10 college students for me? :P [21:25] I'm linking to the picture in your blog, hope you don't mind [21:25] mhall119: Sure everything there is CC-SA [21:25] bkerensa: I'll be mentoring cjohnston [21:25] you sure you want that swap? [21:25] jcastro: right, hopefully over the weekend.. Damn upstream swaped out a required lib with something not packaged [21:26] Daviey: yeah I liked how it was in one place and then BAM, moved it on us [21:26] bkerensa: I was more concerned with using your bandwidth [21:26] sneaky leedo [21:26] mhall119: I also have to go deploy a bunch of ethernet today and will be working till 7pm doing that in 40 degree weather? :P [21:26] "deploy a bunch of ethernet" meaning running wire? [21:27] mhall119: Yes... Cabling [21:27] ew, no, there's a reason I went into software instead of networking [21:27] I did that in highschool, never again [21:27] mhall119: Me too [21:27] * mhall119 can probably still recite the color pattern for those RJ-45 jacks [21:27] mhall119: My school district hired me after high school :P was fun for awhile and is ok for occasional work [21:28] jcastro: considering he actioned my bug (new release request) in Nov, but forgot to update/close the bug *sigh* [21:28] bkerensa: I somehow always got the job of running cables through older buildings with brick inner walls and no conduits :( [21:29] mhall119: My friend fell through the ceiling of our high school and lost a finger while running cable once [21:29] sucks [21:29] we frequently have to run cables above lockers in one school we (partimus) work in [21:29] wow [21:29] it's kind of awful [21:29] nothing that bad ever happened to be, thankfully [21:29] I am much better at wire crimping than I once was though :) [21:30] I hate when I have to work for people who want to do jobs cheap because they want to buy cable graded for indoor and use it outside and it only lasts a few months until the sun bakes it and it cracks [21:30] :D [21:30] I remember when I was living with a friend of mine and she had 5 cables crimped in the time I did one (we were wiring her whole house) [21:30] that's like saying you're better at applying bandages than you once were. It sounds good in theory, but usually means something is going horribly wrong [21:30] pleia2: My skill at crimping is shaky at best... Sometimes I have to crimp 2-3 times to get a good end [21:31] I still diligently test all my wires, but mostly because the testing tool is fun to use [21:31] so I always give myself extra slack because I usually have to take off connectors and re-crimp :P [21:31] pleia2: I once had the task of wriring a 200-seat call center [21:31] I got good fast [21:31]