| penguin42 | apparently today Google thinks I'm in Callow End - which is great, since I'm nowhere near it | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| penguin42 | and as far as I know have never been there | 00:01 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu Global Jam Q+A Videocasts Tomorrow! - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/02/24/ubuntu-global-jam-qa-videocasts-tomorrow/ | 01:11 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu California Walnut Creek Global Jam - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/02/24/ubuntu-california-walnut-creek-global-jam/ | 07:11 |
| popey | morning all | 07:46 |
| AlanBell | morning | 07:48 |
| gordonjcp | hello | 07:53 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Jono Bacon] Good vs. Bad Trophies - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/02/24/good-vs-bad-trophies/ | 08:11 |
| MooDoo | morning all | 08:12 |
| diplo | Morning all | 08:27 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk | ||
| czajkowski | morning | 08:31 |
| AlanBell | http://mulqueeny.wordpress.com/2012/02/21/young-rewired-state-2012-an-update/ | 08:32 |
| daubers | Morning | 08:40 |
| czajkowski | bah waking up to crazy in the inbox | 08:45 |
| czajkowski | DELETE is a wonderful key | 08:45 |
| MooDoo | careful you don't get delete key finger czajkowski :) | 08:45 |
| daubers | czajkowski: I saw that crazy... people are weired | 08:46 |
| danfish | good morning..long time no me speak | 08:53 |
| czajkowski | danfish: looking forward to the weekend ? | 08:55 |
| daubers | danfish: How do | 08:56 |
| danfish | yup - however I've not been around for a few days | 08:56 |
| danfish | decided to play rubgy for the 1st time in 10 years and got a badly broken shoulder for my troubles | 08:56 |
| MooDoo | danfish: ooops :D | 08:57 |
| danfish | been in hospital having it fixed :( | 08:57 |
| n1md4 | Morning Ubuntarians :) | 08:57 |
| czajkowski | danfish: oh dear | 08:59 |
| danfish | I also have discovered I have an allergy to codeine, so pain relief is tricky | 09:00 |
| AlanBell | hi danfish, that sounds bad :( | 09:05 |
| danfish | AlanBell: not much fun, but more painful is the truly dreadful daytime TV..... | 09:09 |
| AlanBell | guess you won't make it to the rugger at the weekend then? | 09:09 |
| danfish | catching up on the news, ubuntu on android looks seriously cool - it's from the atrix isn;t it? | 09:10 |
| danfish | AlanBell: might still make the rugby. Just moving is painful at the moment but getting better every day | 09:10 |
| danfish | so I'll see how things are on Sunday morning | 09:11 |
| DJones | danfish: Hoep the recovery goes well, what have you been given instead of codeine | 09:13 |
| DJones | Hop even | 09:14 |
| DJones | Grr | 09:14 |
| DJones | HOPE | 09:14 |
| * DJones replaces the keyboard | 09:14 | |
| danfish | DJones: thanks - anti-inflammatories and whisky ;) | 09:23 |
| iclebyte | the engineer sat next to me has a cold and reckons gargling brandy for 3 minutes last night cured him. | 09:24 |
| DJones | danfish: Heh, whisky always works | 09:33 |
| JamesTait | Happy Fix It Friday everyone! :D | 09:37 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone | 09:44 |
| mattt | morning morning | 09:56 |
| brobostigon | morning mattt | 09:56 |
| mattt | sup brobostigon | 09:57 |
| brobostigon | mattt: nought much, just trying to wake up. and you? | 09:58 |
| mattt | brobostigon: just doing that work thing :D | 10:02 |
| brobostigon | :) | 10:03 |
| AlanBell | danfish: how are you planning to get to the rugger if you feel up to it? | 10:10 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Laura Czajkowski] Ubuntu Hour Dublin - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2012/02/24/ubuntu-hour-dublin-2/ | 10:11 |
| danfish | AlanBell: I was getting a lift anyway | 10:11 |
| mattt | the timing of this rugby game is terrible :-/ | 10:14 |
| mattt | all northampton's good players play for england | 10:14 |
| bigcalm_lappy | *grumble*] | 10:29 |
| bigcalm_lappy | -] | 10:29 |
| bigcalm_lappy | VM connection has wandered off so I'm having to tap my phone's connection | 10:30 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Not optimal | 10:30 |
| diplo | Anyone here been on any VMWare courses that they could recommend | 10:33 |
| diplo | ? | 10:33 |
| diplo | We use ESXi and want to implement a few sites with replication etc | 10:33 |
| diplo | So need to get full product, wondering if anyone has done any that they would recommend | 10:33 |
| diplo | ( to many !!! ) | 10:33 |
| MooDoo | diplo: last vmware coure i went on was for 3.5 lol | 10:40 |
| davmor2 | morning all | 10:41 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: PROD!!!! Morning | 10:42 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Hi ho | 10:42 |
| czajkowski | davmor2: good morning my chirpy friend | 10:43 |
| diplo | MooDoo, Last time I looked at the products page of VMware there were maybe a dozen options | 10:43 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: have a hug it's friday! | 10:43 |
| diplo | now 5 dozen options :( | 10:43 |
| czajkowski | yay | 10:43 |
| * czajkowski hugs davmor2 | 10:43 | |
| davmor2 | bigcalm_lappy: why you on lappy still? | 10:43 |
| bigcalm_lappy | davmor2: throw me a cup of broadband. VM have snuffed it | 10:43 |
| diplo | Also, anyone in here know anyone who may run IBM RS/6000's ? | 10:43 |
| bigcalm_lappy | davmor2: connecting via my phone | 10:43 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm_lappy: sadtrombone.com | 10:44 |
| * MooDoo slaps davmor2 with a fish | 10:44 | |
| bigcalm_lappy | :P | 10:44 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: don't do that you'll upset the fish, morning dude | 10:44 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: morning mate | 10:45 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Hayley wants us to attend a wedding fair on Sunday. I hope there is a crèche for the men | 10:45 |
| Myrtti | bigcalm_lappy: make your own with taking DVD's of Top Gear and a laptop with you | 10:47 |
| bigcalm_lappy | :) | 10:47 |
| Daviey | bigcalm_lappy: like the 'spouse chairs' in clothes shops? | 10:47 |
| dgjones | bigcalm_lappy: As an excuse to not go, you could say it might give you hints about what wedding dress she might get, so it would be better if you don't go | 10:48 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Daviey: yep | 10:48 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Heh | 10:48 |
| bigcalm_lappy | I'm sure we'll both have a good time. I'm just playing into the male stereo type ;) | 10:49 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm_lappy: ensure your phone is fully charged and you nod and hmmmmmmm nice in all the right places. It's the wrong time of year to be attending funerals :D | 10:51 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Is there a right time to attend? | 10:53 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm_lappy: if you can last till spring, summer the flowers are cheaper ;) | 10:54 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Right | 10:59 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm_lappy: take your laptop to a coffee shop you know you want to ;) | 11:51 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Sadly McDonald's is closer | 11:51 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm_lappy: yeah but the coffee suck | 11:52 |
| bigcalm_lappy | I've had worse | 11:55 |
| * directhex has windows phone, and likes it. zomg! | 11:55 | |
| bigcalm_lappy | :O | 11:56 |
| popey | directhex: the crucial question of course.. can you get angry birds on it? | 11:56 |
| directhex | yes! | 11:56 |
| AlanBell | does it run mono apps? | 12:00 |
| directhex | no! the wp7 sdk supports html/js apps and a silverlight subset, afaik | 12:01 |
| AlanBell | heinz tomato soup with chilli is actually quite good | 12:03 |
| * czajkowski has 2 angry bird plush toys glaring at me today while I work | 12:04 | |
| directhex | wp7 has some flaws, but it's a really nice mobile os. it's a better fit for my lifestyle than the n9 was | 12:04 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: no they glares at you, because you are you not because you are working :P | 12:04 |
| bigcalm_lappy | czajkowski: don't pinch their eggs and you'll be safe | 12:04 |
| directhex | or put two blue parrots in cages. that angers them too | 12:05 |
| directhex | or send them to space | 12:06 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Subway lunch? | 12:06 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Don't mind if I do | 12:06 |
| directhex | subway means a walk. burger king lunch! | 12:06 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm_lappy: you don't want to eat in a subway have you seen what the drunks get up to in them | 12:07 |
| czajkowski | I've a red and yellow one | 12:07 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Red and yellow drunk? | 12:10 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Any lunch outside of home means a wee drive | 12:10 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Brum brum | 12:11 |
| === dgjones is now known as DJones | ||
| AlanBell | http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2012-02-23/ Dell Streak \o/ | 12:22 |
| popey | hah, thats brilliant | 12:23 |
| * Azelphur_ buys oil rush through desura, wonder if it's any good :D | 14:06 | |
| directhex | AlanBell, i was wrong btw, Unity 3D can target WP7, and that's a product based on embedded Mono | 14:07 |
| directhex | AlanBell, many lulz were had when Microsoft Game Studios started shipping WP7 games with Mono inside | 14:07 |
| * popey hugs chrisccoulson for http://paste.ubuntu.com/855375/ | 14:16 | |
| chrisccoulson | :) | 14:16 |
| AlanBell | \o/ | 14:16 |
| chrisccoulson | popey, did you see the screenshot too? | 14:16 |
| chrisccoulson | https://twitter.com/#!/chrisccoulson/status/173046579161346048/photo/1 | 14:17 |
| popey | no | 14:18 |
| popey | brilliant | 14:18 |
| penguin42 | chrisccoulson: Brilliant solution | 14:19 |
| chrisccoulson | heh :) | 14:19 |
| * penguin42 assumes that is a picture of a kitty..... | 14:19 | |
| directhex | chrisccoulson++ | 14:19 |
| directhex | chrisccoulson, is that pushed to the archive? | 14:19 |
| penguin42 | chrisccoulson: It's a shame you didn't call it pussyview which may have satisfied both sides | 14:20 |
| chrisccoulson | directhex, not atm. somebody suggested that i might start a new world war if i did that ;) | 14:20 |
| chrisccoulson | penguin42, lol | 14:20 |
| directhex | chrisccoulson, do it now or i'll sponsor the upload immediately | 14:21 |
| chrisccoulson | lol | 14:21 |
| sagaci | ha | 14:21 |
| directhex | not kidding! | 14:21 |
| * penguin42 waits for chrisccoulson's solution to bible apps | 14:22 | |
| directhex | i am happy to upload bible apps as long as they are modular enough to handle any holy book | 14:22 |
| popey | chrisccoulson: someone has pointed out to me that it should not be kitteh's. | 14:23 |
| popey | no apostrophe | 14:23 |
| chrisccoulson | oh, good catch ;) | 14:23 |
| directhex | dpkg-source: info: applying pornview_0.2pre1-11ubuntu2.diff.gz | 14:23 |
| directhex | now then now then... | 14:23 |
| sagaci | chrisccoulson: hi, I just realised/remembered that you were involved with chromium... are there any updates/ideas for the translation templates for chromium in Launchpad -- since fta seems to be gone...? | 14:24 |
| chrisccoulson | sagaci, oh, chromium is in pretty bad shape. nobody is maintaining it at all | 14:24 |
| sagaci | is that a debian or ubuntu issue? | 14:25 |
| chrisccoulson | it's a "there is nobody motivated enough about it in ubuntu" issue ;) | 14:25 |
| sagaci | ah righteo then | 14:25 |
| directhex | also it's a big jiggly mess | 14:26 |
| brobostigon | hence the chromium ppa, having no updates for months. | 14:27 |
| chrisccoulson | indeed. i would actually rather maintain 4 more versions of firefox than maintain chromium | 14:27 |
| brobostigon | hence i am using google-chrome-unstable now. | 14:27 |
| mgdm | Laney: ping? | 14:27 |
| sagaci | I'd personally prefer to use chromium but I've just been using chrome of late | 14:28 |
| directhex | BUNDLE THE WORLD! NO TIME TO EXPLAIN GET IN THE CAR! | 14:28 |
| sagaci | big lion? | 14:28 |
| brobostigon | sagaci: agreed, same here. | 14:28 |
| popey | RWAR! | 14:28 |
| directhex | autofoo is for losers. let's build our own build system! with blackjack! and hookers! | 14:28 |
| chrisccoulson | lol @ https://twitter.com/#!/davmor2/status/173051931181322240 | 14:30 |
| chrisccoulson | perhaps it's impossible to make everybody happy ;) | 14:30 |
| AlanBell | chrisccoulson: is it still for one handed browsing? (presumably because you are stroking a kitteh with the other hand) | 14:31 |
| chrisccoulson | lol | 14:31 |
| davmor2 | chrisccoulson: everyone loves the cloud and it's the in thing call it cloudview :D | 14:32 |
| AlanBell | PornView is an image and movie viewer/manager with thumbnail previews. Additional features includes thumbnail caching, directory tree views, adjustable zoom, and fullscreen view. Slideshows allow for unattended presentation of images for hands-free viewing. Pornview is written using GTK+. | 14:32 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | What an Interesting conversation to come in on :-) | 14:34 |
| AlanBell | hi TheOpenSourcerer | 14:34 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Hi AlanBell | 14:34 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Long time no speaky ;-) | 14:34 |
| * AlanBell dials the speakyphone | 14:34 | |
| sagaci | PawnView, or PictureView | 14:37 |
| DJones | sagaci: PawnView would get the financial watchdogs investigating it | 14:38 |
| directhex | prawnview | 14:43 |
| diplo | Anyone recommend a backup device for a SMB that they can take offsite, don't want tapes/or cloud based/rsync set up | 14:45 |
| diplo | Standard usb hard disc, or something like the Dell RD1000 ? | 14:45 |
| popey | pawnview | 14:45 |
| popey | lawnview | 14:45 |
| davmor2 | chrisccoulson: I think we are missing the obviousness of prawnview | 14:48 |
| chrisccoulson | lol | 14:48 |
| gord | well the oneiric alpha iso doesn't work at all... not really allowed to complain about that though really | 14:50 |
| Azelphur_ | aww ye, native Linux games on my machine...turn all the graphics to max \o/ | 15:15 |
| popey | Azelphur_: you use desura much? | 15:17 |
| Azelphur_ | popey: yea I bought it through desura :) | 15:18 |
| Azelphur_ | I like Desura :p | 15:18 |
| popey | yeah, saw that | 15:18 |
| Azelphur_ | I havn't used it too much yet, but I can certainly see it has potential | 15:19 |
| popey | yeah | 15:20 |
| Azelphur_ | popey: wonder if they are going to implement something ala steam friends | 15:20 |
| popey | i expect so | 15:23 |
| Azelphur_ | hopefully without all the terrible bits of steam friends though | 15:27 |
| bigcalm[xoom] | This lack of broadband is giving me the shakes | 15:29 |
| gord | i have to run steam on my phone just to be able to talk to people on my steam friends list when i'm not on windows... such a pain. don't need another one of them | 15:29 |
| bigcalm[xoom] | Or is that the coffee? | 15:29 |
| Azelphur_ | haha weird, oil rush makes cairo dock crash | 15:29 |
| Azelphur_ | gord that's a bad thing, however I HAVE GOOD NEWS FOR YOU :P | 15:29 |
| Azelphur_ | gord my friend has reverse engineered the protocol on the steam mobile client and has a pidgin protocol plugin available. | 15:30 |
| gord | Azelphur_, cool, get them to make a telepathy version | 15:30 |
| Azelphur_ | *shrug* he's a pidgin person, and empathy can load libpurple plugins anyway I believe? | 15:30 |
| gord | i have no idea | 15:31 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm[xoom]: pretty sure you are still meant to be working or have you just given up on that :D | 15:32 |
| * daubers needs 100cc of coffee | 15:32 | |
| daubers | STAT | 15:32 |
| Azelphur_ | !info telepathy-haze | 15:32 |
| lubotu3 | telepathy-haze (source: telepathy-haze): Telepathy connection manager that uses libpurple. In component main, is optional. Version 0.5.0-1 (oneiric), package size 75 kB, installed size 320 kB | 15:32 |
| * gord thinks we may lose the patient | 15:32 | |
| Azelphur_ | gord ^ :D | 15:32 |
| gord | Azelphur_, and what libpurple do i need? | 15:32 |
| Azelphur_ | No idea really, I just built it against pidgin since I'm a pidgin user | 15:33 |
| Azelphur_ | http://code.google.com/p/pidgin-opensteamworks/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fsteam-mobile | 15:33 |
| Azelphur_ | gcc -I/home/azelphur/Code/pidgin/pidgin-2.10.0/libpurple/ -I/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/glib-2.0/include/ -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/include/purple-2 -I/usr/include/json-glib-1.0 -lglib-2.0 -lpurple -I. -pipe *.c -fPIC -DPIC -ljson-glib-1.0 -shared -o libsteam.so | 15:34 |
| Azelphur_ | is the line I used to build it | 15:34 |
| diplo | :p | 15:35 |
| Azelphur_ | very early in development obviously, but it works and I'm using it | 15:35 |
| bigcalm[xoom] | davmor2: I am implementing oauth2 for an api im writing. Bits can be done, tricky without a net connection though | 15:36 |
| gord | Azelphur_, ah not in a released version, shame | 15:37 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm[xoom]: still no T'interweb then | 15:37 |
| Azelphur_ | gord nothing besides the source no, but still, it's working :) | 15:38 |
| Azelphur_ | so, it's a good alternative for you when he starts building I guess | 15:38 |
| bigcalm[xoom] | I need to store a hashed password in a table. What's the recommended algorithm for this? Md5, sha1, other? | 15:38 |
| gord | i want a ppa :) | 15:38 |
| Azelphur_ | want fries with that? :P | 15:38 |
| gord | bigcalm[xoom], rot 13 | 15:39 |
| bigcalm[xoom] | davmor2: I guess vm are having trouble fixing it. They need to do it before end of school or they will have a lot more unhappy custom on the phone | 15:40 |
| bigcalm[xoom] | gord: lol | 15:40 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm[xoom]: only one | 15:40 |
| gord | bigcalm[xoom], i think md5 is fine right now, but sha2 has more legs, sha1 is depreciated | 15:41 |
| bigcalm[xoom]| | Oh T-Mobile, don't you start | 15:41 |
| bigcalm[xoom]| | davmor2: only one what? | 15:42 |
| bigcalm[xoom]| | gord: one can google md5 hashes and get surprising results | 15:42 |
| diplo | md5decrypter.co.uk | 15:43 |
| BigRedS | bigcalm[xoom]|: seed it | 15:43 |
| davmor2 | I just saw the unhappy custom on the phone and not the lot more bit ;) | 15:43 |
| gord | well md5 has a smaller digest size, so that is to be expected | 15:43 |
| BigRedS | anything is vulnerable to rainbow tables, so if you're concerned use a seed | 15:43 |
| bigcalm[xoom]| | Ta | 15:43 |
| bigcalm[xoom]| | I just tried to google from my work station :( | 15:44 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm[xoom]|: Can you say D'oh!!!!!!!!! | 15:48 |
| bigcalm[xoom]| | I can grumble | 15:49 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm[xoom]|: Can you say shuggin' fashin', shuggin' fashin', Dick Dastardly! | 15:49 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm[xoom]|: is it just net or everything? | 15:50 |
| bigcalm[xoom]| | Just net. Tv and phone are ok | 15:51 |
| penguin42 | bigcalm[xoom]|: You mustn't just store the hash - add some form of salt | 15:53 |
| penguin42 | bigcalm[xoom]|: There are now enough md5/sha's of common passwords on the net to make the easiest way to check them to google the hash | 15:54 |
| bigcalm[xoom]| | That's what I eluded to | 15:55 |
| BigRedS | doesn't one normally elude *from* (or simply elude)? | 16:01 |
| BigRedS | </pedant> | 16:01 |
| penguin42 | BigRedS: I've never heard someone refer to eluding from | 16:02 |
| BigRedS | no, but eluding definitely doesn't normally happen to | 16:03 |
| Laney | mgdm: HELLO!!!!!!!! | 16:05 |
| bigcalm[xoom] | Humf | 16:10 |
| mgdm | Laney: do you want me to do anything for that Pandoc thing (be it request a backport or whatever) and if so where? | 16:22 |
| Laney | mgdm: I need to ask Jonas to update it in Debian | 16:23 |
| Laney | you could do that if you like | 16:23 |
| mgdm | is that more than just 'emal and go "can you update it please?"' | 16:23 |
| Laney | nein | 16:24 |
| Laney | you could file it as a wishlist bug | 16:24 |
| mgdm | OK | 16:24 |
| mgdm | I shall do that | 16:24 |
| bigcalm[xoom]| | Silly T-Mobile is silly | 16:48 |
| davmor2 | Happy Friday everyone | 16:55 |
| danfish | AlanBell: which mailing list is going potty at the mo? (seen your tweets) | 17:32 |
| AlanBell | danfish: I tweeted a link to it :) | 17:33 |
| danfish | AlanBell: oh yeah. thanks | 17:39 |
| * danfish has a look then steps hastily back | 17:44 | |
| AlanBell | chrisccoulson: did kittyview hit the archives yet? | 18:07 |
| davmor2 | AlanBell: I think you'll find we agreed on prawnview to not offend the dog owners and cat hating czajkowski | 18:19 |
| AlanBell | oh, can I suggest chickenview then? | 18:19 |
| gordonjcp | wtf | 18:20 |
| gordonjcp | czajkowski hates cats? I knew there was something *wrong* about her... :-/ | 18:20 |
| gordonjcp | how can you hate cats and be on the Internet? | 18:20 |
| davmor2 | AlanBell: might offend the battery farmed chickens if they see free ones ;) | 18:20 |
| ali1234 | hmm i think i just found the mailing list thing you were talking about earlier | 18:22 |
| ali1234 | OP has a point. the dash has a really nasty habit of finding things you don't want people to see at the exact time they happen to be watching over your shoulder. | 18:27 |
| AlanBell | yes, the adverts should not be in the apps lens | 18:32 |
| ali1234 | not just adverts. remember that screenshot where the guy had loads of torrents in the dash? | 18:33 |
| AlanBell | http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/717 | 18:34 |
| ali1234 | well ok, one | 18:34 |
| ali1234 | but you get the idea | 18:34 |
| directhex | moo | 18:34 |
| AlanBell | ali1234: this is zeitgeist, it tracks what you do and is according to some people a good idea | 18:35 |
| ali1234 | i know | 18:35 |
| ali1234 | i turned it off | 18:35 |
| hamitron | evening all | 18:36 |
| hamitron | :) | 18:36 |
| ali1234 | but i'm an expert | 18:36 |
| zleap | 26th April for 12.04 release right | 18:36 |
| AlanBell | I don't think I have ever seen it do something usefull | 18:36 |
| zleap | i am trying to get it mentioned in my local community partnership magazine | 18:36 |
| AlanBell | yes zleap | 18:37 |
| AlanBell | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule | 18:37 |
| davmor2 | ali1234: you can just use the privacy tool | 18:37 |
| ali1234 | yes, that's what i did | 18:37 |
| ali1234 | blacklist * | 18:37 |
| zleap | ok ty, this should go in the April issue, by whichj time i may have this computer group up and running, and may be try and see if any young people want a release party :D | 18:37 |
| zleap | or a demo event at the may dc/Lug meet | 18:38 |
| AlanBell | excellent zleap :) | 18:38 |
| zleap | :) | 18:38 |
| zleap | youth service are waiting on references | 18:39 |
| zleap | more burocratic nonsense basically | 18:39 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Jono Bacon] Reminder: Ubuntu Global Jam Video Q+A Coming Up! - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/02/24/reminder-ubuntu-global-jam-video-qa-coming-up/ | 19:13 |
| DJones | Has anybody tried this gnome2 fallback mode for 12.04 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1928350 | 19:23 |
| ali1234 | no, but i assume it's the new port of gnome-panel to gtk3? | 19:24 |
| ali1234 | (or maybe it still uses gtk2) | 19:24 |
| * DJones loads up virtualbox | 19:24 | |
| ali1234 | i really hate forums that don't let you see images unless you log in | 19:26 |
| hamitron | or download files | 19:27 |
| DJones | Looking through the thread, "It's Gnome 3 that's skinned to look like Gnome 2" | 19:29 |
| ali1234 | oh that. | 19:29 |
| ali1234 | awful | 19:29 |
| hamitron | :/ | 19:29 |
| ali1234 | you can't move the panel around | 19:29 |
| ali1234 | you can't do anything useful with the second monitor | 19:29 |
| zleap | ok they won't put inthe release date for ubuntu 12.04 as aparenly it won;t mean much to most people | 19:30 |
| ali1234 | it's basically "gnome 2 if you configured it to be as much like gnome shell as possible and only have 1 monitor" | 19:30 |
| ali1234 | there is a way to run gnome panel in gtk3/12.04 though, supposedly | 19:31 |
| Azelphur_ | If your after multi monitor support, XFCE is good :D | 19:31 |
| ali1234 | no it isn't | 19:32 |
| * Azelphur_ is a quad monitor user | 19:32 | |
| zleap | so will keep trying places, time to print out more posters and put ubuntu stickers in random places :D | 19:32 |
| hamitron | I used to like XFCE, now just don't seem to | 19:32 |
| ali1234 | all the standard xfce applications are years out of date | 19:34 |
| ali1234 | i'm talking about the video player, the terminal, and the file manager | 19:34 |
| ali1234 | and if i use the gnome ones instead, i can't configure anything properly | 19:34 |
| Azelphur_ | I use most gnome things instead, nautilus and totem :) | 19:35 |
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| ali1234 | KDE and gnome at least share most settings through xdg | 19:36 |
| ali1234 | run a gnome app in kde, it looks like kde | 19:36 |
| ali1234 | run a kde ap in gnome, it looks like gnome | 19:36 |
| ali1234 | run a gnome or kde app in xfce, it looks like a mess | 19:36 |
| Azelphur_ | hehe | 19:36 |
| ali1234 | because xfce is horribly out of date and doesn't support anything like that | 19:36 |
| Azelphur_ | my apps are themed fine | 19:36 |
| ali1234 | show a screenshot, i bet i can find at least 3 problems with the themeing | 19:37 |
| hamitron | themes are not everything.... better to have a mismatched theme, but with the correct functionality | 19:37 |
| ali1234 | i disagree | 19:37 |
| Azelphur_ | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2012/February/2012-02-08-030714_3840x1200_scrot.png | 19:37 |
| ali1234 | ... | 19:38 |
| ali1234 | you only have 1 program running | 19:38 |
| ali1234 | and no panels | 19:38 |
| MartijnVdS | Hahaha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-kbMF1GF2A#! | 19:38 |
| Azelphur_ | ali1234: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2012/February/2012-02-24-193905_874x632_scrot.png | 19:39 |
| ali1234 | o_O | 19:39 |
| ali1234 | the drop "shadow" on those radio buttons is a crime | 19:40 |
| Azelphur_ | that's more the specific theme I've chosen rather than an issue in XFCE :) | 19:40 |
| ali1234 | the text on the frames appears to be in a totally different font for some reason | 19:41 |
| ali1234 | yes, well if you pick a theme that's hideous to start with it's kind of hard to notice when it breaks i guess :) | 19:41 |
| Azelphur_ | ali1234: *shrug* It's the only theme that actually uses black as a base colour I could find | 19:41 |
| Azelphur_ | I dunno why everybody insists on using bright colors for background | 19:42 |
| ali1234 | because it's much easier to read | 19:42 |
| Azelphur_ | ali1234: nope | 19:42 |
| ali1234 | unless you're a cave-dweller :) | 19:42 |
| Azelphur_ | ali1234: whites more intensive on your eyes, white is more of a highlight color, while black is null, void | 19:43 |
| Azelphur_ | black backgrounds should be the norm, white is for things of actual relevance (eg text) | 19:43 |
| Azelphur_ | plus it looks cool because it totally matches my monitors. :D | 19:44 |
| ali1234 | so, on your first screenshot, why is the window title text much bigger than the font used inside the windows? | 19:44 |
| ali1234 | the kerning is also terrible | 19:45 |
| ali1234 | Pid ginView lol | 19:45 |
| Azelphur_ | because I specifically set the font size lower in pidgin to squeeze more text in | 19:45 |
| Azelphur_ | ali1234: haha, my little window switcher to manage the madness :P | 19:45 |
| ali1234 | on the menus? | 19:45 |
| Azelphur_ | in the pidgin menus, yes | 19:45 |
| DJones | Don't know if its the same for monitors as it is for projectors, I'm always advised that the bext colours for reading on a projector are yellow text on a blue background | 19:45 |
| ali1234 | so why don't you make the titlebar text smaller to match it? | 19:46 |
| ali1234 | how can you even look at that without getting annoyed? | 19:46 |
| DJones | But being honest, to me, it looks awefull | 19:46 |
| Azelphur_ | ali1234: pretty fine, no reason that window title bars should have the same font size as the content :P | 19:46 |
| * hamitron doesn't in KDE either | 19:47 | |
| ali1234 | moving on... | 19:47 |
| Azelphur_ | hehe | 19:47 |
| ali1234 | why is the gap between names in the nicklist bigger than the height of the actual nicks? | 19:47 |
| Azelphur_ | not sure what you mean by that | 19:48 |
| jacobw | in..? | 19:48 |
| ali1234 | "26 people in room" | 19:48 |
| ali1234 | then a list of nicks | 19:48 |
| ali1234 | Chanserv, Edge, ... | 19:48 |
| ali1234 | why is the gap between the bottom of the "C" and the top of "E" so big? | 19:48 |
| ali1234 | i don't even know how you could have configured that | 19:49 |
| Azelphur_ | *shrug* I think perhaps that's derived by the theme again | 19:49 |
| Azelphur_ | It's just a standard gtk widget | 19:49 |
| ali1234 | distance between nicks shoulw be the same as the distance between the messages | 19:49 |
| Azelphur_ | *Shrug* could probably squeeze one or two extra nicks in the list | 19:50 |
| * jacobw snuggles irssi | 19:50 | |
| Azelphur_ | jacobw: irssi can't do horizontal tiling :( | 19:50 |
| ali1234 | purely for aesthetic reasons | 19:50 |
| * Azelphur_ can see all the things | 19:50 | |
| jacobw | sure it can, or rather, tmux can :) | 19:51 |
| Azelphur_ | jacobw: would require running like 15 instances of irssi in some really weird setup | 19:51 |
| jacobw | yeah, it wouldn't work | 19:51 |
| ali1234 | it would be awful | 19:51 |
| davmor2 | byobu-tmux ftw | 19:51 |
| ali1234 | you want to type in window 13? sure, just press ctrl-a ctrl-n 13 times! | 19:52 |
| Azelphur_ | jacobw: not being able to tile IRC was one of my major gripes when I switched from windows, it's what I came up with to solve it :P | 19:52 |
| Azelphur_ | haha | 19:52 |
| jacobw | i'm glad byobu uses tmux now | 19:52 |
| ali1234 | tmux is for people who think clicking in a window is too easy | 19:52 |
| jacobw | well, it is :p | 19:52 |
| ali1234 | screen is for people who need to run a long running command on a remote server and don't want it to get killed by a hang up | 19:53 |
| brobostigon | well, i changed back to byobu-screen on my vps, as byobu-tmux was ram and cpu hungry. | 19:53 |
| ali1234 | tmux also doesn't support -D | 19:54 |
| ali1234 | which is the most useful screen option ever | 19:54 |
| brobostigon | byobu-tmux alone, used %20 ram, not acceptable. | 19:54 |
| ali1234 | since it allows you to automatically run a session inside any context and then remotely connect to it later | 19:54 |
| davmor2 | ali1234: you can disconnect from byobu-tmux and reconnect | 19:55 |
| brobostigon | byobu-screen uses basiclly nothing measurable. | 19:55 |
| ali1234 | you can't disconnect from it until it is already running | 19:55 |
| ali1234 | i think it's a different switch actually | 19:56 |
| ali1234 | ah -d -m | 19:56 |
| ali1234 | eg put "while 1; do screen -d -m; done" in your gnome-session startup | 19:57 |
| ali1234 | you are now able to ssh into the machine and access a shell inside the X11 security context | 19:57 |
| ali1234 | actually don't do that, you'll get millions of screens :) | 19:58 |
| ali1234 | you need -D -m, which doesn't fork | 19:59 |
| ali1234 | so i was half right | 19:59 |
| jacobw | :) | 19:59 |
| ali1234 | anyway, tmux can't do that afaik | 20:00 |
| jacobw | weekends are boring | 20:03 |
| dwatkins | tmux is confusing with reattaching | 20:13 |
| penguin42 | ooh a play.com advert for a cheap Android tablet for only £NaN | 20:16 |
| Azelphur_ | Must buy! | 20:16 |
| jacobw | penguin42: ooh | 20:18 |
| ali1234 | asda were selling the archos 28 for £30 today | 20:18 |
| penguin42 | gah - it's £69.99 when you click through | 20:18 |
| ali1234 | only on the website. it's sold out | 20:18 |
| ali1234 | also it's only a tablet in the sense that it isn't a phone | 20:19 |
| Laney | 69.99 clearly is a number | 20:19 |
| Laney | complain! | 20:19 |
| gordonjcp | ali1234: so, it's a phone, without the GSM chipset? | 20:20 |
| jacobw | it takes 7 minutes to walk to the supermarket, and about 4 minutes to purchase something, making an 18 minutes round trip | 20:21 |
| jacobw | how badly do i want tangfastics? :| | 20:21 |
| gordonjcp | and because of its daft form factor it can't be mounted in landscape format without looking stupid | 20:21 |
| ali1234 | gordonjcp: pretty much yes | 20:21 |
| ali1234 | gordonjcp: if you want something that's portrait and mountable you want the archos 32 home connect | 20:22 |
| ali1234 | er i mean landscape | 20:22 |
| gordonjcp | ali1234: so as a tablet to be mounted in the space where a rear view mirror would go, it's still not what I'm looking for | 20:22 |
| gordonjcp | hm, that looks fairly decent | 20:22 |
| ali1234 | and meant 35 | 20:22 |
| gordonjcp | even better | 20:23 |
| ali1234 | resistive touchscreen would probably be bad for mounting in a car | 20:26 |
| ali1234 | cos you have to press really hard | 20:26 |
| ali1234 | you'd need a good mount | 20:26 |
| gordonjcp | yeah | 20:27 |
| gordonjcp | I was going to make a bracket up to go onto a mounting point just above the windscreen | 20:28 |
| penguin42 | jacobw: Why does the supermarket take so long - don't they have a self-scan ? | 20:38 |
| * penguin42 waits the extra minute or so for him to return | 20:40 | |
| bigcalm_lappy | Update manager wants to have some fun. Do I let it download 43.5mb over my mobile connection I wonder | 20:42 |
| ali1234 | i had 500mb of updates today | 20:43 |
| bigcalm_lappy | ali1234: 12.04? | 20:43 |
| ali1234 | yes | 20:43 |
| bigcalm_lappy | :) | 20:43 |
| ali1234 | now there's another 71mb since 5 hours ago | 20:44 |
| popey | wheee as everything lands | 20:51 |
| MartijnVdS | Instead of doing that throughout the cycle.. | 20:52 |
| popey | sadly wasnt ready | 20:52 |
| * bigcalm_lappy whimpers without his broadband connection | 20:53 | |
| MartijnVdS | popey: at least it's not late March ;) | 20:53 |
| popey | indeed | 20:53 |
| * MartijnVdS is going to report a lot of bugs on Monday | 20:53 | |
| bigcalm_lappy | popey: laptop fully working now? | 20:53 |
| AlanBell | there should be another libreoffice upgrade to come (at least one) | 20:53 |
| MartijnVdS | My work machine has an ATi card and it does WEIRD things | 20:53 |
| MartijnVdS | (unity (panel, dock) shows up when the screensaver is active, for instance).. and right-click menus only show up after selecting one of the items in them | 20:54 |
| AlanBell | if you have a big screen and LibreOffice won't start then you have to remove libreoffice-gtk which takes out all the pretty | 20:54 |
| ali1234 | MartijnVdS: when you report the menu one tell em it affects nvidia too | 20:55 |
| ali1234 | and it's all menus | 20:55 |
| popey | bigcalm_lappy: ya | 20:58 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/916981 | 20:58 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 916981 in unity (Ubuntu) "Popup artifacts using google chrome right click mouse menu" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 20:59 |
| popey | i already filed the menu's not appearing bug | 20:59 |
| bigcalm_lappy | popey: good show :) | 20:59 |
| popey | and have someone working on it | 20:59 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: Ah, #? :) | 20:59 |
| popey | bug 931473 | 20:59 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 931473 in Compiz Workarounds Plugins "Menus don't fully appear" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/931473 | 20:59 |
| popey | later than yours | 20:59 |
| ali1234 | MartijnVdS: that one sounds different to what i'm seeing | 20:59 |
| ali1234 | popey's bug sounds closer to mine | 21:00 |
| MartijnVdS | I get what popey gets, but even less "working" menu bits | 21:00 |
| ali1234 | popey: each menu item appears only after you've moused over it right? | 21:00 |
| ali1234 | screenshot looks right too | 21:00 |
| popey | yes | 21:01 |
| popey | thats just one exaple | 21:01 |
| popey | sometimes you just see the drop shadow | 21:01 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 21:01 |
| ali1234 | normally i get the drop shaow and what ever option is directly under the mouse | 21:01 |
| popey | yeah | 21:01 |
| MartijnVdS | marking as 'affects me' | 21:01 |
| popey | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RE9btMmFn0 | 21:02 |
| popey | shows it | 21:02 |
| ali1234 | it's not movement based :) | 21:03 |
| MartijnVdS | it's window-switching related | 21:03 |
| ali1234 | you have to focus another window and then go bac, then it will do it | 21:03 |
| popey | oooh | 21:04 |
| popey | easy to reproduce | 21:04 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 21:04 |
| popey | can you please leave a comment about how easy that is to reproduce? | 21:05 |
| ali1234 | sure | 21:05 |
| popey | ta | 21:07 |
| popey | actually scratch that | 21:07 |
| popey | its already fixed ☺ | 21:07 |
| ali1234 | ok :) | 21:07 |
| popey | once it gets merged | 21:07 |
| popey | " The problem is with wrong XDamageNotifyEvents that we get from X" | 21:08 |
| popey | "We get invalid areas that are said to be 'needing redraw' in case of menus" | 21:08 |
| ali1234 | hmm how do i even access the right-click-titlebar menu on a maximized window? | 21:11 |
| ali1234 | if you have multimonitor, and you have a maximized window on onitor 1 and a focused window on monitor 2, the panel on monitor 1 should show the close button and menus for the maximized window on monitor 1. not the name of the focussed window on monitor 2 | 21:12 |
| popey | alt+space ☺ | 21:13 |
| ali1234 | popey: have you seen the thing with fullscreen windows that don't draw? | 21:20 |
| ali1234 | it's probably related | 21:20 |
| popey | no | 21:24 |
| occupy64k | Trying Unity again | 21:36 |
| ali1234 | argh who unplugged youtube | 21:42 |
| christian__ | yo | 23:06 |
| christian__ | anyone alive | 23:06 |
| AlanBell | daubers: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/SupportersGuide and anyone else interested | 23:34 |
| KrimZon | I don't see any "Don't refer to releases by rude parodies of their codename" in there. | 23:41 |
| * popey boggles that the guide recommends people _search_ ubuntu forums, yet not search askubuntu? | 23:46 | |
| popey | there seems to be some obsession in the irc community that askubuntu is somehow bad, and ubuntuforums is good. quite odd | 23:46 |
| * AlanBell says it *is* a wiki | 23:47 | |
| AlanBell | and it *was* an etherpad | 23:47 |
| popey | its not that I want to correct it | 23:47 |
| popey | it's that the attitude speaks volumes | 23:47 |
| popey | there is something fundamentally wrong there | 23:47 |
| AlanBell | can't say I use either | 23:47 |
| AlanBell | I don't think there is any attitude involved, one person who was drafting the document clearly finds some value in the forums, nobody involved in askubuntu added that as a thing in the guidelines yet | 23:51 |
| popey | its not just that document | 23:51 |
| AlanBell | we were discussing some kind of integration between #ubuntu-meta and askubuntu | 23:52 |
| popey | there's quite an embedded attitude that's been around ever since au started, it hasn't really changed. a resistance to it. | 23:53 |
| mattt | evening evening | 23:53 |
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