[00:11] <rick_h_> snap-l: lol, awesome
[00:11] <snap-l> It's a little beat up
[00:12] <snap-l> so I have dubbed it the beat box
[00:12] <snap-l> I crack me up sometimes.
[00:12] <rick_h_> you so funny
[11:46] <snap-l> Good morning
[12:46] <brousch> snowpacalypse is a let down this morning. < 1" of snow
[12:46] <snap-l> Yeah, but now we're getting sleet
[12:48] <brousch> we just got little round balls of frozen snow. not hail, frozen snow.
[12:48] <brousch> great stuff
[12:52] <brousch> uh oh, dropbox just got the only feature of ubuntuone that i actually use http://blog.dropbox.com/?p=984
[13:03] <snap-l> If they get the ability to purchase music, Ubuntu One becomes less valuable to me. :)
[13:06] <brousch> i buy from amazon and google
[13:06] <snap-l> I buy from Amazon when I want to test Banshee. :)
[13:07] <snap-l> Though more often than not I'm buying CDs
[13:07] <brousch> i don't even use a local music player any more
[13:07] <brousch> just drop the files into my music folder, they sync to google music, play it using their web player
[13:09] <brousch> banshee, rhythmbox, and amarok all suck in some way. google music in a chrome app is very nice
[13:09] <snap-l> How do you rip CDs? :)
[13:21] <snap-l> http://www.naxos.com/catalogue/item.asp?item_code=8.112070 <- Fuck Copyright
[13:21] <snap-l> All Naxos Historical, Naxos Classical Archives, Naxos Jazz, Folk and Rock Legends and Naxos Nostalgia titles are not available in the United States and some titles may not be available in Australia and Singapore because these countries have copyright laws that provide or may provide for terms of protection for sound recordings that differ from the rest of the world.
[13:26] <brousch> snap-l: audex
[13:32] <snap-l> KDE
[13:33] <snap-l> I should have guessed
[13:34] <brousch> yes
[13:34] <snap-l> Man, I can be an itiot sometimes
[13:34] <snap-l> fired up Banshee on my laptop and saw a bunch of duplicate library entries
[13:34] <brousch> when in qtland, do as the qties
[13:35] <snap-l> Was about to get indignant, but then remembered I made a symlink for Purchased From UbuntuOne in ~/Music for the logitech squeezebox server
[13:35] <snap-l> so, of course there were duplicates. I made them. :)
[13:35] <snap-l> <- idiot.
[13:39] <brousch> a smart music player would detect duplicates
[13:40] <snap-l> brousch: Write one. :)
[13:40] <brousch> no thanks
[13:49] <snap-l> I love how WOW calls their e-mail bill service "Care Express"
[13:50] <snap-l> I guess the e-mail address caresexpress wouldn't fly.
[13:51] <brousch> world of warcraft?
[13:57] <snap-l> Wide Open West
[13:57] <snap-l> Sorry, forgot the !
[13:57] <snap-l> WOW!
[13:57] <snap-l> better?
[13:58] <brousch> not really
[14:00] <brousch> holy crap look at all the comments on this already http://www.nixternal.com/why-does-kubuntu-suck/?utm_campaign=Why%20Does%20Kubuntu%20Suck?
[14:02] <rick_h_> morning
[14:19] <brousch> a-yep
[15:41] <snap-l> Man, Doug Helman's Standard Library stuff is awesome
[15:41] <snap-l> rick_h_: I'm going to give you $20 to keep that man in beers during PYcon. :)
[15:43] <brousch> bah, rick_h_ will just blow it on discount books
[15:48] <snap-l> heh
[15:49] <rick_h_> hah
[15:49]  * jrwren googles doug helman
[15:50] <rick_h_> yea, he's good stuff
[15:50] <rick_h_> jrwren: python module of the week
[15:50] <rick_h_> and turned that into a book, some good python tips/etc
[15:50] <jrwren> speaking of python tips... python411 podcast.  wtf?  i listen to get more awareness and the guy talks about biochem teh whole time and no python.
[15:50] <jrwren> i was very disappointed.
[15:51] <brousch> jrwren: i had hoped that guy retired permanently
[15:51] <jrwren> where are teh python equivalents of "The Ruby Show" and "the Ruby 5" ?
[15:51] <brousch> he tried to give away his podcast domain and such a year ago, but rick_h_ wouldn't bite
[15:52] <jrwren> would you want ot be associated with that?
[15:52] <brousch> a year ago there were 4 python/django podcasts. now there are none
[15:52] <jrwren> I wouldn't.
[15:52] <brousch> he gets good guests
[15:52] <rick_h_> brousch: that wasn't him
[15:52] <jrwren> Michael Foord's show is good.
[15:52] <jrwren> the one wiht teh pypy guy is what made me think pypy is awesome.
[15:52] <rick_h_> jrwren: no, not really a killer python podcast I've found that's lasted more than a few in a row
[15:52] <jrwren> or is it pipi ?
[15:52] <rick_h_> pypy
[15:53] <brousch> python 411 is an old guy who uses a mac and eats the whole time, right?
[15:53] <rick_h_> pypi == package hosting repository
[15:53] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, old guy
[15:53] <jrwren> pypy == python JIT
[15:53] <snap-l> WHy they named the cheese shop Pypi is beyond me
[15:53] <jrwren> ty.
[15:53] <jrwren> pypi is a terrible name for cheese shop
[15:53] <rick_h_> python package index
[15:53] <jrwren> esp when pypy already exists.
[15:53] <snap-l> At least call it Py Pee
[15:53] <rick_h_> pypy came after pypi
[15:53] <brousch> python package index
[15:54] <snap-l> And not py py
[15:54] <jrwren> i'd enver seen python package index abreviated as pypi until much after pypy
[15:54] <jrwren> but that is probably ME
[15:54] <rick_h_> this is like python trivia...next question
[15:54] <snap-l> Name the fastest land mammal
[15:54] <brousch> man
[15:54] <snap-l> The Cheetah
[15:54] <brousch> my car goes faster than a cheetah
[15:54] <snap-l> Sorry, rick_h_ it's your turn at the board.
[15:56] <Blazeix> https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=61095
[15:57] <rick_h_> I saw the title come across, then thought when I last tried to add hex and skipped the link
[15:59] <Blazeix> the biggest wtf is that spaces work
[16:00] <snap-l> Have I mentioned lately that PHP is a bastard language?
[16:00] <rick_h_> yea, it's kind of funny. Since I've left php there's not once I've thought I should use it for something
[16:00] <rick_h_> there's days I even think 'perl would be good here'
[16:00] <rick_h_> but NEVER php
[16:01] <brousch> wordpress
[16:02] <rick_h_> meh, I'm sick of WP
[16:02] <snap-l> brousch: That and gallery2 are the only PHP apps I'm currently running
[16:02] <snap-l> and I'm replacing gallery2 with Zenphoto
[16:03] <snap-l> I think the only PHP code I'd write would have to require it to be easily deployed on hosting environments
[16:03] <snap-l> and would also be an exploit. ;)
[16:09] <brousch> when i paste something into vim it indents each line more than the previous. this is really annoying. where is my problem? my .vimrc http://paste.mitechie.com/show/547/
[16:18] <snap-l> brousch: Use set paste
[16:18] <brousch> just add 'set paste' to my vimrc?
[16:18] <rick_h_> no
[16:18] <snap-l> Don't do that
[16:19] <rick_h_> " set the paste toggle key
[16:19] <rick_h_> set pastetoggle=<F11>
[16:19] <snap-l> just type "set paste" if you're pasting in a chunk of code
[16:19] <rick_h_> then toggle it back/forth when you paste something in
[16:19] <snap-l> or be like rick_h_ and map it
[16:19] <rick_h_> because once you set paste, you'll want to set nopaste
[16:19] <brousch> ah, so do that when i paste from outside vim?
[16:19] <rick_h_> rgr
[16:19] <snap-l> yes
[16:19] <Blazeix> i set my vim buffer and linux copy/paste buffer to be one and the same, then just use 'p' to paste both
[16:20] <Blazeix> that gets around having to use 'set paste'
[16:20] <snap-l> Blazeix: How did you get that to work reliably?
[16:20] <rick_h_> yea, I use autocutsel to copy then around, but not done the one clipboard to rule them all yet
[16:20] <snap-l> Also, if you're using SSH, set paste is still useful
[16:20] <Blazeix> snap-l: yeah, for SSH i still use set paste
[16:20] <Blazeix> i have set clipboard=unnamed in my vimrc
[16:21] <Blazeix> and that works for *almost* everything
[16:21] <brousch> hey, it works!
[16:21] <Blazeix> chrome sometimes has weirdness
[16:21] <snap-l> browser clipboards and vim are failboats
[16:22] <brousch> thanks
[16:22] <snap-l> np
[16:27] <rick_h_> oh yay, the technology debate gets going and I get to do my jqyery vs YUI rant!
[16:27] <brousch> jquery FTW!
[16:32] <snap-l> Woah.
[16:33] <snap-l> Got a conference pack from Ubuntu coming
[16:33] <snap-l> brousch: LMK if you want some swag.
[16:33] <snap-l> brousch: ARe you comin to the jam in Ann Arbor?
[16:33] <brousch> stickers maybe
[16:33] <brousch> yeah, jamming
[16:33] <snap-l> OK, I'll bring them with, then
[16:34] <snap-l> Also will be bringing a bunch of 11.10 CDs
[16:34] <snap-l> want them out of the garage prior to 12.04 dropping. :)
[16:34] <brousch> i have an assload of them still
[16:34] <brousch> you sent me a lifetime supply
[16:35] <snap-l> Heh
[16:35] <snap-l> That's about 1/3of what I have left
[16:43] <rick_h_> wtf, someone pitching ExtJS?!
[16:43] <snap-l> Hello 2005
[16:44] <snap-l> I hear ExtJS got better recently
[16:44] <rick_h_> grrrrrr, can I just go off and be like "let the real JS people decide this kthx" ?
[16:44] <snap-l> somewhere called "MUG"
[16:44] <rick_h_> someone actually threw http://trends.builtwith.com/topsites/jquery at me
[16:45] <snap-l> rick_h_: Is that related to the tremor I felt?
[16:45] <rick_h_> naw, not yet. No one's talking of switching yet
[16:46] <snap-l> I'm surprised nobody tossed out Bootstrap yet.
[16:46] <rick_h_> basically wanted to throw the 'jquery + backbone' == yui and is more popular
[16:46] <rick_h_> so then I threw back:  yes, if you narrow down we're all going to do AMD, require.js, backbone, jquery, handlebars, qunit  then you start to match up
[16:46] <rick_h_> snap-l: heh, let's just say the bootstrap conversation is out there as well
[16:46] <snap-l> so essentially it's do-able. ;)
[16:47] <rick_h_> no, at least we have smart people there
[16:47] <rick_h_> basically it's "yes, handy for that first time you use it, then a pita when you go to change it, and even more a pita to maintain over time"
[16:47] <rick_h_> it's like django!
[16:47] <brousch> beautiful perfection?
[16:47] <snap-l> Programmer crack
[16:47] <rick_h_> "whoa, I get all this working ootb? Let me just tweak this over here...and over there...and there's a update to the framwork, so change all this..."
[16:48] <rick_h_> "@!$#@@#$#@ this tool!"
[16:48]  * brousch checks the calendar for th next time he'll see rick_h_
[16:48] <rick_h_> brousch: there's a small chance I'll be at the jam
[16:48] <brousch> small?
[16:48] <rick_h_> so play the odds!
[16:48] <rick_h_> grandpa is in town and wife is working, so if I can pitch the boy off on gramps I'll run out maybe
[16:48] <snap-l> brousch: You're only three hours away. Don't think he won't make a special trip to kick your ass
[16:49] <brousch> snap-l: he hasn't yet ;)
[16:49] <brousch> bring the boy!
[16:49] <brousch> we can convert jrwren's office into a child holding cell
[16:55] <rick_h_> that's it, my penguicon talk is decided...why jquery can suck my left spaceball
[16:55] <rick_h_> see, fit some sci-fi in there :)
[16:59] <snap-l> heh
[17:03] <rick_h_> no wolfger today?
[17:03] <rick_h_> well http://honk.sigxcpu.org/con/Iodine_plugin_for_network_manager.html anyway I guess
[17:05] <_stink_> nice.
[17:06] <brousch> hm, are the armel packages in some special repo?
[17:12] <rick_h_> ok, talk is submitted
[17:13] <rick_h_> and no waldo to poke to get my talk granted, where is everyone today?
[17:16] <snap-l> heh
[17:16] <snap-l> waldo323 can't get his IRC set up
[17:17] <_stink_> er
[17:42] <rick_h_> dammit, I'm sick of this devolving into "but everyone else uses jquery..."
[17:42]  * rick_h_ screams!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[17:43] <rick_h_> "have you used it?" "well no, but it seemed so hard to get started"
[17:43] <_stink_> heh
[18:17] <brousch> homeskillet?
[18:20] <nixternal> you know it
[18:21] <brousch> i think you can only call someone a homeskillet if you've eaten with them at denny's
[18:21] <nixternal> I love how out of more than 60 comments thus far, not a single negative one or a troll. some of the best comments I have ever witnessed, though most seem to be coming from Arch users and not Ubuntu users :p
[18:21] <nixternal> eww, denny's
[18:22] <nixternal> the best skillet I have ever eaten in my life was from a restaurant in Watervliet, MI called Maw & Paw's. they had the best food ever. lard rocks! :D
[18:22] <brousch> yeah, a lot of arch on there. specifically that Chakra offshoot
[18:23] <brousch> lard rocks does not sound good to me
[18:23] <nixternal> arch is pretty awesome, though it definitely isn't for new users
[18:23] <nixternal> dwm & arch > *
[18:23] <nixternal> if you are a developer of course
[18:24] <brousch> only python and web
[18:24] <nixternal> i am starting to look at my workflow more and more and am realizing i could easily switch to any distro i wanted & not notice much of a difference. just as long as they had yakuake in their repos :)
[18:24] <nixternal> i use pip to install everything python
[18:24] <brousch> right
[18:24] <nixternal> i would never use ruby in ubuntu's repos because it is garbage, so i manually do that as well
[18:25] <brousch> you pip install ruby?
[18:25] <nixternal> i don't use a file manager, i am at the cli 99.9% of the time
[18:25] <nixternal> i use chrome for browsing, thunderbird & gmail for mail
[18:25] <nixternal> no you don't pip install ruby :p
[18:25] <rick_h_> heh, I need a decent shell and I'm moving to a chromebook
[18:25] <rick_h_> cli + chrome == my day
[18:26] <nixternal> if i didn't need to compile java/c++, a chromebook + cli would be all i need really
[18:32] <nixternal> fairly certain I am going to get one of the Intel Ultrabook things, probably the Asus because it doesn't do that crappy 13xx x 768 or whatever resolution everyone seems to use
[18:45] <brousch> kubuntu is missing armel packages. it's not happy on my NookColor. i'm going to try debian
[18:48] <brousch> nixternal: have you tried the kde plasma netbook?
[18:50] <nixternal> not in 2 years I haven't
[20:31] <brousch> i can get the galaxy nexus for $200 today. should i pull the trigger?
[20:35] <krondor> why not quad core phones are a ways off, it is the cadillace of specs at the moment and you get nexus support
[20:41] <krondor> I expect around xmas you'll see the first real quad core or nextgen SoC options and 720p samoled screens.
[20:42] <krondor> android 5.x is on the horizon too, but definitley not till next year and gnexus will no doubt get that update.
[20:45] <brousch> do you work for vzw?
[20:45] <krondor> nope I'm just speculating from the rumor mill
[20:46] <brousch> grrrr, fighting with a sales goober over chat
[20:46] <brousch> the $100 discount doesn't show when i login
[20:50] <brousch> she punted to phone support and tried to sell me a pouch for carrying my phone
[20:57] <brousch> oh those bastards
[20:57] <snap-l> 4...3...2...1...
[20:57] <brousch> now the ad has removed the galaxy nexus
[20:58] <snap-l> Thank you for choosing Verizon
[21:05] <nixternal> unless you have amazing 4g support where you will be using the gnex, i wouldn't go with it. i would either wait (quadies coming soon), or if you have to upgrade now, htc rezound then the gnex. i returned my gnex twice before switching to the rezound. couldn't be happier
[21:05] <rick_h_> 4g is nice :)
[21:06] <nixternal> ics is nice, especially on a tablet. on a phone you really don't get to utilize the greatness that ics brings to android.
[21:06] <rick_h_> and I do like the size/ics myself of the nexus
[21:06] <nixternal> though ics folders pwn me
[21:06] <nixternal> unless the gnex can make a chicago style dog the way portillos, super dawg, and such do, i don't care for it :)
[21:07] <krondor> nixternal:  i think ics is worth it for the gmail/corp mail client updaets alone...
[21:07] <krondor> I'm jealous (still eying the sgs2 ics ports, which have too many rough edges at the moment)
[21:08] <krondor> plus phone encryption because I'm paranoid!
[21:08] <nixternal> i wouldn't say alone, though that is a really nice feature to be honest.
[21:08] <nixternal> krondor: yeah, seems all of the ics roms/leaks out there for the phones seem to miss the "hardware accelleration" right now
[21:09] <krondor> yeah sgs2 issues so far are wake lock craziness (ie crap battery life) and camera / rendering perf. issues
[21:10] <brousch> we have good 4G in grand rapids. had it before those ghetto east siders
[21:10] <nixternal> yeah, camera always seems to be a PITA with initial ROMs and usually never gets straightend out until an official ICS OTA comes out
[21:10] <nixternal> seems the work around for camera is "install camera app foo instead"
[21:11] <krondor> ooh and third party vpn api in ics so I can actually vpn to work without root (not that I wouldn't have root)
[21:11] <nixternal> krondor: now that would be a reason no doubt, especially if you have to vpn
[21:11] <brousch> and they're letting me keep my unlimited plan
[21:12] <nixternal> brousch: yeah, as long as you had unlimited with 3g, you will have unlimited with 4g, until verizon figures out a way to get away from the grandfather rules the fcc enforced
[21:12] <brousch> heh
[21:13] <nixternal> now if only vzw could keep their 4g service up for longer than 2 to 3 weeks before it shuts down for a few hours
[21:13] <krondor> nixternal:  if they really cared they'd just start doing what AT&T do and throttle the unlimited to 2G when you pass their quota mark
[21:13] <krondor> they might already be doing that... but at least you don't get billed I guess
[21:16] <nixternal> vzw does that already
[21:16] <nixternal> they will throttle you even if you have "unlimited" data
[21:22] <krondor> ooh looks like opencomputer has added things since I last looked
[21:22] <brousch> i'm gonna have to go occupy verizon if i want this $100 off
[21:22] <krondor> err opencompute
[21:26] <krondor> downward spiral of apple http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17158047
[21:47] <krondor> man this channel is quite for a friday despite my best efforts..
[21:47] <krondor> quiet my brain is apparently done for the day
[21:47] <_stink_> hah
[21:49] <rick_h_> heh, working
[21:49] <rick_h_> widox: heading to the store, last minute requests?
[21:49] <rick_h_> _stink_: that cherry coke is regular right?
[21:50] <_stink_> rick_h_: sure
[21:50] <rick_h_> _stink_: k
[21:50] <_stink_> but uh, don't go too crazy
[21:50] <_stink_> trying to get what i suggested :P
[21:51] <rick_h_> heh, easy requests
[21:51] <brousch> pork rinds and prune juice please
[22:03] <jrwren> ya'll having a party?
[22:13] <waldo323_> maybe they are having a coding party?
[22:33] <Blazeix> jrwren: http://blog.mitechie.com/2012/02/20/bookie-sprint-feb-25th-10am-4pm/