[00:18] <Len-1204> Yup todays iso is not real usable. lightdm does seem to be there, but I never get x anything.
[00:21] <Len-1204> The logo with the spinning band for a bit then nothing. I can get console, and can see the lightdm files in /usr/lib/lightdm. Don't know what else is missing though.
[00:21] <Len-1204> Tomorrow is another day.
[02:14] <scott-upstairs> micahg, before i do stuff that isn't necessary, should i be taking out Depends: lightdm-gtk-greeter on any packages?
[02:14] <micahg> no
[02:22] <scott-upstairs> micahg, okay, here is what i have done:
[02:22] <scott-upstairs> 1. replaced 'ubuntustudio-icon-theme' in the seeds with 'xubuntu-icon-theme' and gave it a comment
[02:23] <scott-upstairs> 2. added /usr/share/pixmaps to the ubuntustudio-menu package and modified the install file for /usr/share/pixmaps
[02:23] <scott-upstairs> 3. added Depends: ubuntustudio-default-settings to ubuntustudio-menu because -default-settings is where it sets the applications menu icon
[02:23] <scott-upstairs>  
[02:23] <scott-upstairs> i feel a little dirty about #3 though
[02:23] <scott-upstairs> ..
[02:24] <scott-upstairs> oh, i haven't pushed to bzr yet thought, i wanted your confirmation i didn't forget something or do something stupid first
[02:24] <scott-upstairs> ..
[02:26] <micahg> scott-upstairs: if you feel that ubuntustudio-menu is part of the overall Ubuntustudio settings and *required* for the US experience, Depends is appropriate
[02:29] <scott-upstairs> micahg, i do, but it just seems disproportionately inelegant
[02:29] <micahg> why?
[02:30] <scott-upstairs> it just seems disproportionate to force the installation of the -default-settings package, and all it entails, just to set the applications menu icon
[02:30] <scott-upstairs> it's a minor issue to me, really
[02:30] <micahg> oh, haha, I read that backwards :)
[02:31] <scott-upstairs> :)
[02:31] <scott-upstairs> micahg, but if you do not think i need to do anything else at this point i will push to bzr
[02:31] <micahg> yeah, that's not right
[02:31] <scott-upstairs> okay
[02:31] <scott-upstairs> so have -default-settings depend on -menu?
[02:31] <micahg> no
[02:31] <scott-upstairs> i just worry that if someone were to install ubuntustudio-menu then they would be without the proper menu icon
[02:33] <micahg> I'd suggest shipping the icon and configuration together in either package
[02:33] <micahg> since this is more about branding, maybe in default-settings
[02:34] <micahg> AIUI, the menu package is just extra enhancements
[02:36] <scott-upstairs> micahg, it currently is in the -default-settings package
[02:36] <scott-upstairs> so i'll remove the Depends: ubuntustudio-default-settings from ubuntustudio-menu package
[02:38] <scott-upstairs> and i'll add the /usr/share/pixmaps into -default-settings as well
[02:39] <scott-upstairs> micahg, after i complete this should i commit and push?
[02:39] <micahg> yes, please
[02:40] <micahg> oh, I see what you're saying, I think ubuntustudio-desktop should depend on ubuntustudio-default-settings
[02:40] <micahg> that's where you force the branding
[02:40] <scott-upstairs> no, i don't think that was what i was saying
[02:41] <scott-upstairs> in bzr right now...
[02:41] <scott-upstairs> 1. -default-settings sets the application menu icon
[02:41] <scott-upstairs> 2. nothing currently has the /usr/share/pixmaps directory
[02:41] <scott-upstairs>  
[02:42] <scott-upstairs> i thought "why put the application menu logo in default-settings?  it really should be part of the -menu"
[02:42] <scott-upstairs> but then if someone installs just ubuntustudio-menu then the icon maybe be copied to their computer but not set properly
[02:42] <scott-upstairs>  
[02:42] <scott-upstairs> that is why i thought of settings the -menu package to depend on -default-settings
[02:43] <scott-upstairs> it just seemed very, very heavy handed to force all the settings from -default-settings to set the application menu icon properly
[02:43] <micahg> !info ubuntustudio-menu
[02:44] <scott-upstairs> !info scott-upstairs
[02:44] <scott-upstairs> lol
[02:44] <micahg> meh, I wanted the long descriptions
[02:44] <micahg>  Installs a menu for Ubuntu Studio's use case. These menu has new audio
[02:44] <micahg>  production and video production subsections for Sound & Video section.
[02:44] <scott-upstairs> Description: Menu for Ubuntu Studio
[02:44] <scott-upstairs>  Installs a menu for Ubuntu Studio's use case. These menu has new audio
[02:44] <scott-upstairs>  production and video production subsections for Sound & Video section.
[02:44] <scott-upstairs> oh, hehe
[02:45] <scott-upstairs> you know?  i'm tempted to just put it all (including the -menu stuff) into -default-settings just like xubuntu does
[02:46] <micahg> fine with me, less source packages = less things to upload :)
[02:46] <scott-upstairs> you want me to do that now?  i can and fairly quickly i think
[02:47] <scott-upstairs> or we can wait
[02:47] <micahg> sure, just add a conflicts/replaces on the -menu package for -default-settings (conflicts since we're removing the package, not moving files)
[02:47] <scott-upstairs> okay
[02:48] <micahg> and remove it from the seed as well
[02:48] <scott-upstairs> right
[02:49] <scott-upstairs> i also see that the -menu package is currently depending on gnome-menus, i thought i saw some traffic that says we shouldn't do that?
[02:50] <micahg> do you need something in gnome-menus?
[02:50] <micahg> yeah, you don't need that anymore now that you're using Xfce
[02:51] <scott-upstairs> we might have at one time, but i don't know that we do anymore
[02:51] <scott-upstairs> okay, i will not add that to the -default-settings control file then
[02:56] <Len-1204> scott-upstairs, doing the menu as xubuntu does would be nice. The do not expect their menu to be used with anything else but xfce.
[02:57] <scott-upstairs> Len-1204, i'm not sure how our menu should be different, i'm not really very versed at menu stuff, i just look at what is done and hack it to work usually
[02:59] <Len-1204> scott-upstairs, we have a stock menu with two patches on it. Xubuntu has a new menu from scratch.
[03:00] <scott-upstairs> Len-1204, that certainly seems easier, how about we tackle this together when we restructure the menu?
[03:03] <scott-upstairs> okay, micahg, here is what i have done...
[03:03] <scott-upstairs> [seeds]
[03:03] <scott-upstairs> 1. replaced ubuntustudio-icon-theme with xubuntu-icon-theme
[03:03] <scott-upstairs> 2. removed ubuntustudio-menu
[03:03] <scott-upstairs> [-default-settings]
[03:03] <scott-upstairs> 3. added menu files
[03:03] <scott-upstairs> 4. modificed default-settings.isntall for menu files
[03:04] <scott-upstairs> 5. added Conflicts/Replaces: ubuntustudio-menu
[03:04] <scott-upstairs> 6. removed Recommends: gnome-menus
[03:04] <scott-upstairs>  
[03:04] <scott-upstairs> does that sound correct?  should i add, commit, push?
[03:07]  * micahg wonders if 6 was an action or lack of one
[03:07] <micahg> but yes, sounds right
[03:11] <scott-upstairs> when i was adding the Conflicts/Replaces: ubuntustudio-menu i noticed that the -default-settings control file also said Recommend: gnome-menus
[03:11] <micahg> ah, ok, sounds good
[03:24] <scott-upstairs> micahg, seeds (rev. 1309) and -default-settings (rev. 95) pushed
[03:25] <scott-upstairs> sorry for the delay, wife got home from work and kids kept interrupting
[03:26] <micahg> scott-upstairs: sure, no rush, I've still got to have dinner before I tackle this stuff
[03:39] <micahg> scott-upstairs: BTW, it's better to do 1 commit per change, so removing ubuntustudio-menu should've been a separate commit from the icon change (it's good to bzr diff before committing to be sure that you've described the change properly)
[03:59] <ScottL> micahg, i had forgotten, i'm sorry, however, i believe i shall remember next time
[04:00] <micahg> ScottL: no worries, thanks
[04:01] <micahg> as soon as I get webkit building, I'll upload these
[06:19] <micahg> ScottL: FYI, Provides requires a comma separated package list like the other fields
[06:20]  * micahg fixes
[07:11] <micahg> ugh, now I don't know what to do about copyright...
[09:14] <micahg> ScottL: I'm not really happy with the lightdm theme (maintainer scripts) or default-settings (debian/copyright) branches ATM, I made quite a few fixes to the default-settings branch, they're both only missing a thing or 2, but I'm too tired ATM to get this right
[21:00] <len> Todays iso still looks small.. 
[21:01] <len> scott-work: I am guessing it is still not ready to be tried.
[21:05] <micahg> len: sorry, that's my fault, I wasn't able to get the packages uploaded last night
[21:07] <len> No worries. Sleep is more important than this.
[21:07] <micahg> I'll get it sorted over the weekend so there's a beta candidate on monday
[21:07] <len> Are the missing apps being included at this time?
[21:09] <micahg> missing apps?  well, currently, there's no ubuntustudio-desktop, default-settings, or lightdm-theeme
[21:09] <len> Ja, I tried yesterdays iso... no gui, just console.
[21:09] <micahg> ScottL: one thing I need from you is copyright information
[21:10] <micahg> len: same thing yesterday, these binaries were removed from precise accidentally
[21:10] <micahg> ScottL: we need to know the copyright of the images you added to the default settings package
[21:10] <len> micahg, I figured something like from the irc logs.
[21:11] <micahg> I debated doing a no change rebuild of the old versions, but as it was already broke, I didn't see the point
[21:12] <len> It would be nice to combine the settings and theming as xubuntu has.
[21:14] <micahg> yeah, we did a little package consolidation with menu moving into default settings (we need to update the copyright for that stuff as well)
[21:15] <len> Scott was asking for help redoing the menus... so I will take the changes and put them into one file instead of three.
[21:18] <micahg> well, for beta 1, let's just get everything working, them we can go back to consolidating :)
[21:19] <len> Oh yes. I just make the files, Scott adds them or not as he likes.
[21:41] <CFHowlett> themes?  I maintain that this has strong potential as the default wallpaper...  http://shitsukesen.deviantart.com/art/Fake-Ubuntu-Studio-Screen-shot-173257515 
[21:49] <CFHowlett> or perhaps this one  http://spreadubuntu.org/en/material/unusual/beautiful-ubuntu-ray-traced-wallpapers
[21:53] <holstein> http://parker1.co.uk/eternity/screenshots/eternalstudio.png is my fav so far
[21:53] <holstein> i think the etched ones are knd of dry
[21:53] <holstein> kind*
[21:54] <holstein> i feel like thats where the desktop is headed though... with the faded out no color icons we are getting
[21:54] <holstein> i installed crunchbang and the icons in the try are the old-school ones with color
[21:54] <holstein> i like it :)
[21:54] <len> I'm not too picky, they are all better than I can do.
[21:55] <len> I would like a bit more contrast in the theme though.
[21:55] <holstein> yeah, at least more contrast
[21:56] <len> I find it hard to figure out which window I am typing into...
[21:59] <CFHowlett> holstein   fyi, I updated the logo...
[22:00] <CFHowlett> http://spreadubuntu.org/files/Branded-eternalstudio-wide.png
[22:01] <len> It looks a bit cleaner.
[22:03] <CFHowlett> I'd also submit these for consideration  https://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/OfficialOneiric
[22:03] <CFHowlett> love that etched metal look!
[22:38] <scott-work> micahg: i will get it tonight, hopefully shortlly after getting home i'll be leaving in moments)
[22:39] <scott-work> micahg: interestingly, these are wallpapers that we have been using already, so it might be that we didn't have copyright file in the previous package :/
[22:39] <scott-work> micahg: also, this has me wondering if i am including them in the default package then why do we also need a ubuntustudio-wallpaper package?
[22:40] <scott-work> the last question is probably something stupidly simple and i'm too brain dead from work to realize it
[22:40] <scott-work> at the moment
[22:42] <scott-work> hold on, which images did i put into default-settings?  wasn't that the icon images?
[22:42] <scott-work> not the wallpapers?  why the hell was i thinking it was wallpapers?
[22:43] <scott-work> *shrug* going home, i'll suss it out there where i can really look at stuff and drop/leave the work stuff in my head at work