=== ailo is now known as _ailo [00:18] Yup todays iso is not real usable. lightdm does seem to be there, but I never get x anything. [00:21] The logo with the spinning band for a bit then nothing. I can get console, and can see the lightdm files in /usr/lib/lightdm. Don't know what else is missing though. [00:21] Tomorrow is another day. [02:14] micahg, before i do stuff that isn't necessary, should i be taking out Depends: lightdm-gtk-greeter on any packages? [02:14] no [02:22] micahg, okay, here is what i have done: [02:22] 1. replaced 'ubuntustudio-icon-theme' in the seeds with 'xubuntu-icon-theme' and gave it a comment [02:23] 2. added /usr/share/pixmaps to the ubuntustudio-menu package and modified the install file for /usr/share/pixmaps [02:23] 3. added Depends: ubuntustudio-default-settings to ubuntustudio-menu because -default-settings is where it sets the applications menu icon [02:23] [02:23] i feel a little dirty about #3 though [02:23] .. [02:24] oh, i haven't pushed to bzr yet thought, i wanted your confirmation i didn't forget something or do something stupid first [02:24] .. [02:26] scott-upstairs: if you feel that ubuntustudio-menu is part of the overall Ubuntustudio settings and *required* for the US experience, Depends is appropriate [02:29] micahg, i do, but it just seems disproportionately inelegant [02:29] why? [02:30] it just seems disproportionate to force the installation of the -default-settings package, and all it entails, just to set the applications menu icon [02:30] it's a minor issue to me, really [02:30] oh, haha, I read that backwards :) [02:31] :) [02:31] micahg, but if you do not think i need to do anything else at this point i will push to bzr [02:31] yeah, that's not right [02:31] okay [02:31] so have -default-settings depend on -menu? [02:31] no [02:31] i just worry that if someone were to install ubuntustudio-menu then they would be without the proper menu icon [02:33] I'd suggest shipping the icon and configuration together in either package [02:33] since this is more about branding, maybe in default-settings [02:34] AIUI, the menu package is just extra enhancements [02:36] micahg, it currently is in the -default-settings package [02:36] so i'll remove the Depends: ubuntustudio-default-settings from ubuntustudio-menu package [02:38] and i'll add the /usr/share/pixmaps into -default-settings as well [02:39] micahg, after i complete this should i commit and push? [02:39] yes, please [02:40] oh, I see what you're saying, I think ubuntustudio-desktop should depend on ubuntustudio-default-settings [02:40] that's where you force the branding [02:40] no, i don't think that was what i was saying [02:41] in bzr right now... [02:41] 1. -default-settings sets the application menu icon [02:41] 2. nothing currently has the /usr/share/pixmaps directory [02:41] [02:42] i thought "why put the application menu logo in default-settings? it really should be part of the -menu" [02:42] but then if someone installs just ubuntustudio-menu then the icon maybe be copied to their computer but not set properly [02:42] [02:42] that is why i thought of settings the -menu package to depend on -default-settings [02:43] it just seemed very, very heavy handed to force all the settings from -default-settings to set the application menu icon properly [02:43] !info ubuntustudio-menu [02:43] ubuntustudio-menu (source: ubuntustudio-menu): Menu for Ubuntu Studio. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.15 (oneiric), package size 6 kB, installed size 120 kB [02:44] !info scott-upstairs [02:44] Package scott-upstairs does not exist in oneiric [02:44] lol [02:44] meh, I wanted the long descriptions [02:44] Installs a menu for Ubuntu Studio's use case. These menu has new audio [02:44] production and video production subsections for Sound & Video section. [02:44] Description: Menu for Ubuntu Studio [02:44] Installs a menu for Ubuntu Studio's use case. These menu has new audio [02:44] production and video production subsections for Sound & Video section. [02:44] oh, hehe [02:45] you know? i'm tempted to just put it all (including the -menu stuff) into -default-settings just like xubuntu does [02:46] fine with me, less source packages = less things to upload :) [02:46] you want me to do that now? i can and fairly quickly i think [02:47] or we can wait [02:47] sure, just add a conflicts/replaces on the -menu package for -default-settings (conflicts since we're removing the package, not moving files) [02:47] okay [02:48] and remove it from the seed as well [02:48] right [02:49] i also see that the -menu package is currently depending on gnome-menus, i thought i saw some traffic that says we shouldn't do that? [02:50] do you need something in gnome-menus? [02:50] yeah, you don't need that anymore now that you're using Xfce [02:51] we might have at one time, but i don't know that we do anymore [02:51] okay, i will not add that to the -default-settings control file then [02:56] scott-upstairs, doing the menu as xubuntu does would be nice. The do not expect their menu to be used with anything else but xfce. [02:57] Len-1204, i'm not sure how our menu should be different, i'm not really very versed at menu stuff, i just look at what is done and hack it to work usually [02:59] scott-upstairs, we have a stock menu with two patches on it. Xubuntu has a new menu from scratch. [03:00] Len-1204, that certainly seems easier, how about we tackle this together when we restructure the menu? [03:03] okay, micahg, here is what i have done... [03:03] [seeds] [03:03] 1. replaced ubuntustudio-icon-theme with xubuntu-icon-theme [03:03] 2. removed ubuntustudio-menu [03:03] [-default-settings] [03:03] 3. added menu files [03:03] 4. modificed default-settings.isntall for menu files [03:04] 5. added Conflicts/Replaces: ubuntustudio-menu [03:04] 6. removed Recommends: gnome-menus [03:04] [03:04] does that sound correct? should i add, commit, push? [03:07] * micahg wonders if 6 was an action or lack of one [03:07] but yes, sounds right [03:11] when i was adding the Conflicts/Replaces: ubuntustudio-menu i noticed that the -default-settings control file also said Recommend: gnome-menus [03:11] ah, ok, sounds good [03:24] micahg, seeds (rev. 1309) and -default-settings (rev. 95) pushed [03:25] sorry for the delay, wife got home from work and kids kept interrupting [03:26] scott-upstairs: sure, no rush, I've still got to have dinner before I tackle this stuff [03:39] scott-upstairs: BTW, it's better to do 1 commit per change, so removing ubuntustudio-menu should've been a separate commit from the icon change (it's good to bzr diff before committing to be sure that you've described the change properly) [03:59] micahg, i had forgotten, i'm sorry, however, i believe i shall remember next time [04:00] ScottL: no worries, thanks [04:01] as soon as I get webkit building, I'll upload these [06:19] ScottL: FYI, Provides requires a comma separated package list like the other fields [06:20] * micahg fixes [07:11] ugh, now I don't know what to do about copyright... [09:14] ScottL: I'm not really happy with the lightdm theme (maintainer scripts) or default-settings (debian/copyright) branches ATM, I made quite a few fixes to the default-settings branch, they're both only missing a thing or 2, but I'm too tired ATM to get this right === shnatsel is now known as shnatsel|gprs [21:00] Todays iso still looks small.. [21:01] scott-work: I am guessing it is still not ready to be tried. [21:05] len: sorry, that's my fault, I wasn't able to get the packages uploaded last night [21:07] No worries. Sleep is more important than this. [21:07] I'll get it sorted over the weekend so there's a beta candidate on monday [21:07] Are the missing apps being included at this time? [21:09] missing apps? well, currently, there's no ubuntustudio-desktop, default-settings, or lightdm-theeme [21:09] Ja, I tried yesterdays iso... no gui, just console. [21:09] ScottL: one thing I need from you is copyright information [21:10] len: same thing yesterday, these binaries were removed from precise accidentally [21:10] ScottL: we need to know the copyright of the images you added to the default settings package [21:10] micahg, I figured something like from the irc logs. [21:11] I debated doing a no change rebuild of the old versions, but as it was already broke, I didn't see the point [21:12] It would be nice to combine the settings and theming as xubuntu has. [21:14] yeah, we did a little package consolidation with menu moving into default settings (we need to update the copyright for that stuff as well) [21:15] Scott was asking for help redoing the menus... so I will take the changes and put them into one file instead of three. [21:18] well, for beta 1, let's just get everything working, them we can go back to consolidating :) [21:19] Oh yes. I just make the files, Scott adds them or not as he likes. [21:41] themes? I maintain that this has strong potential as the default wallpaper... http://shitsukesen.deviantart.com/art/Fake-Ubuntu-Studio-Screen-shot-173257515 [21:49] or perhaps this one http://spreadubuntu.org/en/material/unusual/beautiful-ubuntu-ray-traced-wallpapers [21:53] http://parker1.co.uk/eternity/screenshots/eternalstudio.png is my fav so far [21:53] i think the etched ones are knd of dry [21:53] kind* [21:54] i feel like thats where the desktop is headed though... with the faded out no color icons we are getting [21:54] i installed crunchbang and the icons in the try are the old-school ones with color [21:54] i like it :) [21:54] I'm not too picky, they are all better than I can do. [21:55] I would like a bit more contrast in the theme though. [21:55] yeah, at least more contrast [21:56] I find it hard to figure out which window I am typing into... [21:59] holstein fyi, I updated the logo... [22:00] http://spreadubuntu.org/files/Branded-eternalstudio-wide.png [22:01] It looks a bit cleaner. [22:03] I'd also submit these for consideration https://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/OfficialOneiric [22:03] love that etched metal look! === shnatsel|gprs is now known as shnatsel === shnatsel is now known as shnatsel|gprs [22:38] micahg: i will get it tonight, hopefully shortlly after getting home i'll be leaving in moments) [22:39] micahg: interestingly, these are wallpapers that we have been using already, so it might be that we didn't have copyright file in the previous package :/ [22:39] micahg: also, this has me wondering if i am including them in the default package then why do we also need a ubuntustudio-wallpaper package? [22:40] the last question is probably something stupidly simple and i'm too brain dead from work to realize it [22:40] at the moment [22:42] hold on, which images did i put into default-settings? wasn't that the icon images? [22:42] not the wallpapers? why the hell was i thinking it was wallpapers? [22:43] *shrug* going home, i'll suss it out there where i can really look at stuff and drop/leave the work stuff in my head at work