[00:00] <Riddell> yes you could well be right
[00:01] <nixternal> another reason i bring that up, is it seems cjwatson was touching a lot of the bugs supposedly specific to [kde] but never did anything with them after the fact
[00:04] <Riddell> yes he'll triage them a bit but not fix them generally
[00:29] <nixternal> cleaned out ubiquity-kde oem bugs, 1 left as incomplete. i couldn't reproduce it, and if they don't answer in the next 59 days, it will be closed anyways
[00:29] <nixternal> wish they made that 14 days instead of 60 days. if someone doesn't respond in 2 weeks, who cares :D
[01:13] <nixternal> alright, cleaned up about half of the ubiquity issues (>2 years). there are still 25 kde-specific ones I will get to later. time to get ready to go out for dinner
[01:13]  * nixternal notes i had fun doing this today! \o/
[04:59] <manchicken> So, who here is great with git?
[06:12] <ScottK> Woah.
[06:12] <ScottK> Heya manchicken.  Long time, no see.
[06:12] <ScottK> (not me re git)
[06:23] <nixternal> whoa, is that really the real manchicken ?
[06:24] <manchicken> Yup
[06:24]  * manchicken stands up
[06:24] <nixternal> how you been dude
[06:24] <manchicken> Mixed results :)
[06:24] <nixternal> same here :)
[06:24] <manchicken> Much less of me these days :)
[06:24] <nixternal> you still in champaign?
[06:25] <nixternal> how is the family?
[06:25] <manchicken> Mahomet, pretty close :)
[06:25] <nixternal> you voting for ron paul this time around? :p  /me remembers your blog posts back in the day
[06:25] <manchicken> Pretty good, we've got two kiddos now, not sure how much you've heard.
[06:26] <nixternal> i remember your first one, congrats on the second
[06:26] <manchicken> No, Ron Paul's actually pretty messed up these days.
[06:26] <nixternal> you still hacking on perl?
[06:26] <manchicken> He's a bit of a neocon now.
[06:26] <manchicken> Sometimes. My 9-5 is mostly ColdFusion.
[06:26] <nixternal> there's a change i wouldn't have called a couple of years ago
[06:27] <manchicken> The job market around here isn't very strong, so I don't have much of a choice :)
[06:27] <nixternal> yeah, it isn't any better up 57 either
[06:27] <manchicken> nixternal: That seems to be a regular theme when people try to make predictions about me :)
[06:27] <manchicken> I'm unpredictable ;)
[06:27] <nixternal> haha, so true
[06:28] <ScottK> Heya nixternal.  Nice to see you too.  I filed a nice new update-manager-kde bug for you.  Even a really easy one to fix.
[06:28] <nixternal> ubiquity! pfft update-manager, dist-upgrade baby :D
[06:28] <nixternal> if it is a really easy one to fix, then why didn't you fix it?
[06:30] <ScottK> Because I knew you were hot to trot.
[06:31] <ScottK> I'll work on it tomorrow.
[06:31] <nixternal> not hot enough to go buy a netbook just to play around with this one :p
[06:34] <nixternal> ScottK: is there a list of "must fix" bugs for us? figured I would find a link somewhere but I was unsuccessful at it
[06:34] <ScottK> What happened to the netbook you had?
[06:34] <ScottK> Did it die in the flood?
[06:35] <ScottK> Actually you can replicate this one in a VM just fine, just give it a small screen, but I digress.
[06:35] <nixternal> no, it survived the home devistation, it just died of natural causes
[06:35] <ScottK> OK.  Mine's still ticking.
[06:35] <nixternal> the display is bad
[06:36] <nixternal> only way to use it is to plug it in to an external monitor. but to do that i need to find my power chord or go buy a new one
[06:36] <nixternal> buying a new one seems dumb for a machine that doesn't work anyways
[06:37] <ScottK> Not too many High/Critical ones tagged Kubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.importance%3Alist=CRITICAL&field.
[06:37] <ScottK> importance%3Alist=HIGH&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.structural_subscriber=&field.component-empty-marker=1&field.tag=kubuntu&field.tags_combinator=ANY&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.has_cve.used=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.affects_me.used=&field.has_no_package.used=&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_branches.used=&field.has_branches=on&field.
[06:37] <ScottK> has_no_branches.used=&field.has_no_branches=on&field.has_blueprints.used=&field.has_blueprints=on&field.has_no_blueprints.used=&field.has_no_blueprints=on&search=Search
[06:38] <ScottK> Gotta love that Launchpad.
[06:38] <nixternal> needs a URL shortener service
[06:40] <ScottK> If you're working on Ubiquity stuff, that's definitlely good as it's gotten almost no love since shtylman bailed out.
[06:41] <nixternal> most of the bugs are old and non-existant
[06:41] <nixternal> only a few i was able to reproduce in 10.04.4, 11.10, and 12.04
[06:41] <nixternal> though they might not even be ubiquity kde_ui issues, but core issues instead
[06:56] <nixternal> heh, just bought a power adapter for the mini 10v for $3 shipped via amazon :)
[06:57] <ScottK> Nice
[06:57] <nixternal> I can use it headless
[06:57] <ScottK> Now you got a server again.
[06:58] <nixternal> perfect for storing my email, irssi, and yup, replace my way to noisey of a server
[07:02] <nixternal> so, it seems a majority of the comments on my last blog post don't like Kubuntu because a) it isn't a rolling release, b) we stick to close to KDE when there are better/more stable options available, c) canonical
[07:03] <nixternal> out of most of the comments where people said we stick to close to kde and aren't a rolling release, they were arch users. hrmm, arch sticks with kde like we do, they just make there desktop not look much like kde
[09:04] <jussi> nixternal: you are awesome, thank you for that blog post so much. I think we as a community can benefit from all those comments and maybe we could sit down and analyse them, write a list of problems and perhaps have a sprint?
[09:33] <Riddell> jussi: which one is that?
[09:35] <jussi> Riddell: http://www.nixternal.com/why-does-kubuntu-suck/
[09:35] <Riddell> ah yes, the provocative titled one :)
[09:40] <jussi> still, the comments have been suprisingly well behaved and kind of useful imho
[10:11] <Mamarok> Riddell: I think this report should be reassigned to Unity, it is certainly not an Amarok bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/940562
[10:12] <Mamarok> why should an application existing since 10 years suddenly change because a newcomer in the market wants these hotkeys?
[10:14] <yofel> jussi: agreed, I was reading them myself yesterday but only had time to read like half of them
[10:58] <Riddell> Mamarok: feel free to try and hope they agree
[10:59] <Mamarok> well, which unity part should this be assigned to then?
[11:04] <Riddell> I don't know, never used unity
[11:10] <Mamarok> I added a comment now
[11:10] <dantti> Riddell: morning, one question on that long ago UDS you were interested in changing the printer stuff, recently I even added the com.redhat.new... so pretty much the Add New printer dialong won't work well if the udev rule didn't work well, are you willing to change this for the next release or maybe it's too late?
[11:10] <Mamarok> but this is in now way a bug in Amarok
[11:12] <Riddell> dantti: I'm not sure what you're asking
[11:12] <dantti> Riddell: it misses a bit of smartness on new printers dialog and don't have the samba thing to probe for printer rbelem said he would help :P but it's quite a nice change because of the plasmoid and overall ui (I believe you saw my blog), so less stuff for you to care...
[11:12] <Riddell> dantti: you added it to what?
[11:13] <dantti> Riddell: the kded part of it now also shows the printer add notification
[11:13] <Riddell> dantti: you added it to your printer admin tool?
[11:13] <dantti> with a + to configure the printer button if the coosen was not so good
[11:13] <dantti> Riddell: yup, wondering if it's too late for this cycle
[11:14] <dantti> since imo it would be a nice to have feature (especially for the plasmoid thing)
[11:14] <Riddell> dantti: yes it'll be too late for this cycle I'm afraid (unless someone is really keen on it and shepherds it through feature freeze exceptions etc)
[11:14] <Riddell> but next cycle sure, if it has all the features of printer-applet and is less buggy that's lovely
[11:14] <dantti> oh I should read topics ::P FF
[11:15] <Riddell> dantti: where is it?  got .deb packaging yet or shall I post to the list to find people who can package it?
[11:16] <dantti> Riddell: k, well this week I'll probably fix the missing stuff and ask for kde review if someone if then willing to do an exception good, if hopefully on 4.9 backport it will be
[11:16] <dantti> Riddell: no package I believe
[11:16] <dantti> git.kde.org:print-manager
[11:17] <Riddell> dantti: cool I'll post to the list and hopefully someone will put it into a PPA for testing
[11:18] <dantti> Riddell: nice, http://simplest-image-hosting.net/png-0-plasma-desktopx21432%0A this is the knotification thing I was talking about
[11:19] <Riddell> dantti: that's what's is needed, what happens if you click on the systray icon?
[11:21]  * Riddell gumbles about kde systray notifications having no visual link to the systray icon
[11:40] <dantti> Riddell: it isn't connected to the systray icon, it's just a popup when you plug a new printer
[11:40] <dantti> Riddell: the plus is the configure button that let's you configure the newly installed printer the gtk version of printer applet has it too
[11:41] <dantti> Riddell: if you click on the systray it will show the plasmoid I posted here http://dantti.wordpress.com/2012/02/22/say-hello-to-our-must-have-new-plasmoid/
[11:42] <dantti> right now it doesn't properly hide because of QML - plasma bug
[11:42] <yofel> *drool*
[11:42] <yofel> dantti: looks great :)
[11:43] <dantti> yofel: thanks tho the plasma theme helps a lot ;)
[11:43] <yofel> hehe
[11:44] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/libkdcraw] Philip Muškovac * 29 * debian/ (5 files in 2 dirs) * Cherry-pick upstream commit d0e61353aeff0ec89cfa4a2de0c767286784c239 from master to add lcms2 support. (LP: #885324) * Build-depend on liblcms2-dev instead of liblcms1-dev
[11:44] <bulldog98> yofel: I lost my cia script somewhere, where is yours?
[11:45] <yofel> bulldog98: lp:project-neon, in the cia folder
[11:45] <bulldog98> yofel: why don’t we put it into the kubuntu-dev-tools ?
[11:46] <yofel> feel free to, there is another one in the archive, but that doesn't work like I want
[11:47] <jussi> dantti: that plasmoid is *awesome* *drool*
[11:48] <dantti> jussi: thanks :D
[11:48]  * dantti leaves to church now, bbl
[11:49] <jussi> laters dantti
[11:49] <jussi> btw, does anyone know if there is a tool to change the PIN number on a sim card?
[11:51] <mikecb> which one?
[11:51] <jussi> or do I need to pull it out and stick it in my phone to do so....
[11:51] <jussi> mikecb: which what? 
[11:51] <mikecb> pin?
[11:52] <mikecb> aren't there multiple ones?
[11:52] <jussi> mikecb: no, I mean the PIN that you put in on boot  before it gives you access
[11:53] <mikecb> http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/6567.html
[11:53] <mikecb> see if that works
[11:54] <mikecb> I just realized I have no idea what any of those numbers are for my phone
[11:54] <jussi> mikecb: They might work, but I have none of those items here in Kubuntu.
[11:54] <jussi> The simcard is in the 3G module of this machine
[11:55] <mikecb> ahh
[12:06] <Riddell> dantti: you have your sabbath and church on a saturday?
[12:41] <peace> morning
[12:41]  * peace skydive done
[12:48] <jussi> peace: was it awesome?`
[12:49] <peace> jussi: it's always awesome
[12:49] <jussi> hehe, I want to do it one day.
[12:50] <peace> jussi: i got the license now
[12:50] <jussi> peace: nice work
[12:50] <peace> jussi: xD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJrAnv8JiF0 that is my AFF
[13:16] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:17] <peace> BluesKaj: hey
[13:17] <BluesKaj> hi peace
[13:17] <peace> schmidtm_:
[13:17] <peace> ops sorry
[13:17] <peace> BluesKaj: i just done a skydive xD
[13:20] <BluesKaj> by yourself or with a guide?
[13:21] <peace> myself
[13:21] <peace> i got the license 
[13:22] <BluesKaj> thrill seeker , i'd never do it.
[13:23] <peace> xD
[13:23] <BluesKaj> no prarchutes large enough for 145kg ppl
[13:24] <peace> 145kg mm 
[13:24] <peace> i am 80kg
[13:29] <Ezim> hi guys/girls.
[13:29] <Ezim> some one from the team should contact richard: http://www.nixternal.com/why-does-kubuntu-suck/
[13:29] <Ezim> he seems to want to help out with kubuntu
[13:30] <BluesKaj> yes peace , also I'm 196 cm tall 
[13:30] <Ezim> :) what does this to do with what I write?
[13:30] <peace> BluesKaj: wtf :D 
[13:30] <yofel> Ezim: that's nixternal, don't mind him :P
[13:31] <peace> BluesKaj: 1.75
[13:31] <peace> m
[13:31] <yofel> Ezim: he's one of us too
[13:31] <BluesKaj> nixternal is regular member here
[13:31] <Ezim> yofel, hehe he is?
[13:31] <Ezim> haha sorry guys :).
[13:31] <Ezim> did not know that.
[13:33] <BluesKaj> peace, well ,that's what my drivers licence reads :)
[13:33] <peace> BluesKaj: ar you taller ?
[13:34] <BluesKaj> no , it's correct 
[13:34] <peace> ah
[13:34] <BluesKaj> 6' 5" in ft and inches
[13:38] <BluesKaj> opeace, I'm also pretty old to be jumping out of airplanes :)
[13:38] <BluesKaj> peace, ^
[13:39] <peace> BluesKaj: hahahaha you are not i am sure
[13:39] <peace> :D
[13:41] <BluesKaj> < is a grandfather
[13:41] <peace> :D i knew
[13:43] <BluesKaj> well , peace , you have more nerve than I do...I prefer solid ground under my feet m:)
[13:43] <peace> BluesKaj: :)
[13:44] <BluesKaj> peace,  we should be discussing this in OT
[13:44] <peace> BluesKaj: i could do a launch with a kde t-shirt one dayxD
[13:44] <peace> BluesKaj: right
[13:51] <Ezim> many users seems to have problem with kubuntu
[13:51] <Ezim> I hope many things can be solved with 12.04
[13:52] <Ezim> I agree about the comments about rekonq 
[13:52] <Ezim> the worst browser I have tried under linux.
[13:53] <BluesKaj> konqueror is almost as bad now too
[13:54] <Ezim> BluesKaj, yeah. I liked konqueror before.
[13:55] <Ezim> http://ubuntu-se.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=55870&start=20 I have written stuff about kubuntu here
[13:55] <Ezim> in swedish
[13:55] <Ezim> according to me some of its shortcomes
[13:55] <Ezim> and how I manage to solve/bypass them
[13:56] <Ezim> Där Kubuntu 11.10 i mitt tycke brister och vad man kan göra åt det. <<--- from here
[13:57] <peace> Ezim: sudo apt-get konq-plugins and then you have to identfy konqueror like firefox
[13:57] <peace> it will works better 
[13:57] <peace> i use firefox and konqueror 
[13:57] <peace> rekonq doesn't work.
[13:58] <peace> (for me)
[13:58] <Ezim> peace, will take a look. thx peace.
[14:01] <peace> Ezim: look konqueror and google plus http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/25/plasma-desktopdC1826.png
[14:02] <Ezim> peace, nice.
[14:03] <Ezim> peace, I still prefer firefox/chrome/opera over konqueror/rekonq
[14:03] <Ezim> :) If I would decide rekonq would not be default broswer and even not installed by default
[14:03] <Ezim> people that needs qt-browser can use konqueror for backup thing.
[14:03] <peace> Ezim: well konqueror is light i use it for that and because for my bank it works so... i prefer it
[14:04] <peace> Ezim: btw there is firefox-qt
[14:04] <Ezim> peace, firefox-qt?
[14:04] <peace> but unluckly you need to change the theme to see it properly
[14:04] <Ezim> you mean theme?
[14:04] <peace> Ezim: no
[14:04] <peace> firefox-qt 
[14:04] <peace> it's a version of firefox that uses qt libraries
[14:05] <Ezim> peace, your kubuntu looks :P gnome;ish :P.
[14:05] <BluesKaj> chromium-browser works well, but some think google is evil :)
[14:05] <Ezim> faenzo icons? :)
[14:05] <peace> Ezim: kfaenza
[14:05] <Ezim> peace, :) yeah I can see that.
[14:05] <Ezim> I prefer oxygen old.
[14:05] <Ezim> best icon theme
[14:06] <peace> Ezim: :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYzEty1TYAE&feature=g-upl&context=G2a5e810AUAAAAAAAIAA
[14:07] <peace> Ezim: and here the firefox-qt version http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/tinderbox-builds/mozilla-central-linuxqt/1330168309/
[14:07] <Ezim> peace, I am using 4.8.0 :).
[14:08] <Ezim> peace, thx, firefox works good in its default way with kde theme :).
[15:15] <dantti> Riddell: yes,  sabbath at saturday :D (can sabbath happen on another day?)
[16:07] <dantti> Riddell: oh I dind't know that Sabbath was also used by sunday church too, since since both words seem the same and in Brazil we don't have this distinction...
[16:09] <jussi> dantti: heh, yeah, its like that. 
[16:11] <dantti> jussi: nice to know :P I thought it was a nicer name to name the Saturday (as in english Saturday is the day of Saturn iirc), so as every one said happy sabbath I thought it was to dissociate with the week day..
[16:16] <BluesKaj> dantti,  afaik Sunday is the Christian Sabbath
[16:18] <dantti> BluesKaj: not really
[16:18] <dantti> it was changed by romans long ago, so most people have it as the Christian Sabbath, but some don't
[16:21] <BluesKaj> ok , BBL ...
[16:48] <yurikoles> plese commit verify patch https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-l10n-ru/+bug/935521
[17:20] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace] Philip Muškovac * 620 * debian/changelog typo
[17:31] <debfx> yurikoles: will do, thanks for spotting that!
[17:32] <debfx> we could really use a machine that regularly builds our packages to detect missing files
[17:43] <yofel> agreed
[17:44] <ScottK> That or we could read the bugs that get filed ....
[17:51] <debfx> I don't think we have a bug report about missing /usr/include/KDE/KDescendantsProxyModel so that approach doesn't really work
[17:52] <ScottK> OK.  We did have the kdel10n-ru FTBFS bug though.
[17:53] <debfx> right, but that bug report didn't say "you failed to install file X"
[17:54] <debfx> well until an hour ago :)
[17:55] <yofel> does someone know how bad of an idea it is to build without -Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions?
[17:55] <yofel> except that you might have a bit slower library loading
[17:59] <JontheEchidna> symbol lookup during runtime might be slower
[17:59] <JontheEchidna> iirc
[18:00] <Mamarok> ScottK: thanks for reassigning that report :)
[18:00] <ScottK> Mamarok: You're welcome.
[18:01] <yofel> JontheEchidna: yeah, that much I found out, just trying to make sure as I plan to disable that for kdepim (it breaks the ktimetracker kpart for some reason I haven't found out yet)
[18:02] <JontheEchidna> other than that I don't think it's particularly bad
[18:16] <yurikoles> debfx: first patch in #935521 contains copy-paste from romanian section. i uploaded the fixed one
[18:17] <ScottK> debfx: kde4libs accepted.
[18:40] <yofel> kdevelop 4.3 rc1 up for packaging
[19:58] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdepim] Philip Muškovac * 192 * debian/ (changelog rules) Don't use -Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions in LDFLAGS to work around kde bug 283479 (LP: #864975)
[20:02] <CIA-42> [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Jonathan Kolberg * 145 * zsh_completion/_kde-l10n-build-status Added zsh completion for kde-l10n-build-status
[20:34] <rbelem> hi Riddell 
[20:38] <nixternal> why does kontact have to be such a pita?
[20:42] <rbelem> Riddell, could you take a look at the startactive package? i uploaded it to the kubuntu-active ppa :-)
[20:45]  * yofel did another test upgrade from lucid
[20:45] <yofel> "Failed to fetch the resource collection" AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH...............
[20:49] <bulldog98> yofel: yeah I know that’s a nice error
[20:50] <yofel> bulldog98: I don't mind it having a "warning" symbol if it was a warning
[20:50] <yofel> but infact it's a fatal error that doesn't really make it unusable
[20:50] <yofel> I'll see if we can somehow work around that
[20:50] <yofel> as that pretty much reliably fails on upgrades from what I know
[20:50] <bulldog98> yofel: even better is if you get that stuff 100000 times
[20:53] <yofel> JontheEchidna: do you have an idea what to do about apper and muon-updater competing for updates? After a lucid upgrade I have 2 "updates available" symbols in the panel. One from apper, one from muon
[20:53] <JontheEchidna> you'd have to disable update notifications from one of the two
[20:55] <yofel> hm, that's somewhat sub-optimal, but I don't really have an idea either
[21:04] <sreich> how can i make a package of kde-workspace/plasma/netbook/containments/sal only, for kubuntu. the source is from git
[21:04] <sreich> but i don't think it has any deps on git
[21:05] <yofel> sreich: iirc you can't build pieces of kde-workspace by themselves, only the whole thing
[21:05] <yofel> at least not unpatched
[21:05] <jussi> thats sub optimal
[21:05] <sreich> yeah...
[21:06] <sreich> basically i only need to compile sal for someone to test only that, without having to compile kde on that machine as well
[21:06] <sreich> no idea how to do that
[21:10] <ScottK> sreich: If you want it in a package, you can get the source package for Kubuntu/4.8.0, replace the sal directory and rebuild it.  Then you'll have new debs built with the new code.
[21:10] <ScottK> That will require building all of workspace, but that's less than all of KDE
[21:10] <sreich> yeah, will only take a couple minutes to build anyways
[21:10] <sreich> where can i get the source?
[21:10] <yofel> sreich: apt-get source kde-workspace
[21:11] <sreich> i'm not on kubuntu
[21:11] <ScottK> Are you on a Debian based system?
[21:11] <sreich> no
[21:11] <ScottK> Hang on.  Links coming
[21:12]  * yofel goes back fighting kdepim
[21:12] <sreich> yofel: and winning? ;)
[21:12] <yofel> sreich: unlikely :(
[21:12] <ScottK> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/kde-workspace_4.8.0b.orig.tar.bz2
[21:12] <ScottK> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/kde-workspace_4.8.0b-0ubuntu4.debian.tar.gz
[21:12] <ScottK> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/kde-workspace_4.8.0b-0ubuntu4.dsc
[21:12] <ScottK> sreich: Those are the "Source package" for what's in Kubuntu Precise right now.
[21:13] <sreich> what's with the different files though?
[21:13] <starbuck> ScottK: would that run also then on oneiric with KDe 4.8?
[21:13] <ScottK> kde-workspace_4.8.0b-0ubuntu4.debian.tar.gz is essentially a patch of the upstream tar that include the debian style packaging and our local patches.
[21:14] <rbelem> sreich, if you want to build the packages you can create a chroot
[21:14] <ScottK> starbuck: I didn't look if there are any difference in the PPA packages for Oneiric.  You should pull the source from the PPA if that's what you're using.
[21:15] <sreich> ScottK: how can i actually compile the package then?
[21:15] <sreich> on my system
[21:16] <rbelem> sreich, http://capricorn.woot.net/~jdrew/debian-chroot.html
[21:16] <yofel> ScottK, starbuck: the oneiric package is the precise one without the changes for oxygen-gtk
[21:16] <ScottK> I've no idea how to run the Debian build system on non-debian systems.
[21:17] <sreich> rbelem: hm, thanks
[21:17] <rbelem> sreich, you may replace debian stuff by ubuntu ones
[21:17] <sreich> rbelem: and the bootstrap?
[21:18] <sreich> can remain the same, i presume?
[21:18] <sreich> btw, what's oneiric and how does building a package for that fit into my issue?
[21:18] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdepim] Philip Muškovac * 193 * debian/ (changelog control) Add libprison-dev to build-depends
[21:19] <nixternal> wth, precise has me so confused right now. thunderbird is v11, yet the stable release via mozilla is v10.0.2. how are they expecting thunderbird 11 to be released in time for an lts release?
[21:19] <rbelem> sreich, i will get you the link for the oneiric debootstrap
[21:19] <yofel> nixternal: mozilla has pushing out releases in a speed lately that I wouldn't be surprised if they'll release it in april
[21:20] <yofel> *has been
[21:20] <nixternal> yofel: damn, you are right. March 13, 2012 to be exact
[21:20] <nixternal> man, they are ripping out releases
[21:20] <rbelem> sreich, http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/debootstrap
[21:20]  * yofel remembers that he used firefox 3.5 a while ago
[21:21] <yofel> now we're at 11.....
[21:21] <nixternal> ok, confusion subsided for precise, now my confusion is at the extension developers. the 3 biggest extensions don't support thunderbird 11 yet. bastards :)
[21:21] <starbuck> yofel: yeah, thats insane :)
[21:21] <sreich> rbelem: thanks
[21:21] <rbelem> sreich, a direct link http://mirrors.xmission.com/ubuntu//pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_1.0.37_all.deb
[21:21] <nixternal> i only use firefox for testing websites, otherwise i am strictly a chrome-beta channel lover
[21:22] <yofel> someone forgot what major versions were for (no, I'm not thinking of you at all Linus..)
[21:22] <starbuck> nixternal: what are the three?
[21:22] <nixternal> lightning, zindus, and that one that makes thunderbird threads look like gmail ___________ <- i forgot that damn word :)
[21:23] <starbuck> nixternal: i need to try the last one, never heard of that for now :)
[21:24] <nixternal> damn, "Provider for Google Calendar" is another one that isn't available for v11
[21:25] <nixternal> and enigmail. actually, not much is available for v11 as of right now in terms of extensions
[21:25] <rbelem> sreich, to run debootstrap `sudo debootstrap oneiric ubuntu-oneiric-chroot/ http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu`
[21:25] <sreich> ok
[21:25] <nixternal> starbuck: Thunderbird Conversations is the name of that plugin I couldn't remember
[21:26] <starbuck> nixternal: thanks, gotta try
[21:27] <nixternal> w00t, found a pre release for it
[21:28] <rbelem> sreich, ping me when you get the chroot ready
[21:28] <rbelem> :-)
[21:28] <sreich> opk
[21:28] <sreich> *ok
[21:40] <sreich> rbelem: 'W: Failure trying to run: chroot /home/sreich/Desktop/kubuntu chroot stuff/debootstrap/ubuntu-oneiric-chroot mount -t proc proc /proc'
[21:43] <Ezim> hi nixternal :).
[21:43] <Ezim> I was before linking to your blog-post.
[21:43] <Ezim> :P
[21:43] <rbelem> sreich, one minute
[21:44] <rbelem> sreich, did you run deboostrap as root?
[21:44] <sreich> yeah, sudo
[21:45] <rbelem> sreich, could you paste to me the entire error?
[21:46] <sreich> http://paste.kde.org/429254/
[21:47] <sreich> am i doing this is the wrong path?
[21:49] <rbelem> sreich, i think the path is ok
[21:49] <sreich> hm
[21:49] <rbelem> sreich, do you have any special parameter to mount yours partitions?
[21:49] <rbelem> sreich, could you paste the `mount` output?
[21:50] <sreich> http://paste.kde.org/429260/
[21:55] <rbelem> sreich, there may be a mount parameter that is blocking the chroot
[21:55] <rbelem> sreich, what is your distro?
[21:55] <yofel> apachelogger: whatever happened to your plymouth stuff?
[21:56] <sreich> rbelem: fedora 16
[21:56] <rbelem> sreich, one minute
[21:56] <starbuck> sreich: time to switch :)
[21:57] <sreich> lol
[21:58] <rbelem> sreich, lets try a different path
[21:59] <rbelem> sreich, `sudo debootstrap oneiric /opt/ubuntu-oneiric-chroot/ http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu`
[22:01] <yofel> *sigh*
[22:01] <yofel> that stupid local mail resource folder path is set in akonadi's sql db :/
[22:01] <jussi> yofel: *hug*
[22:02] <yofel> jussi: :D
[22:05] <rbelem> sreich, how is it going?
[22:06] <sreich> still downloading
[22:07] <jussi> So Im here at MWc... met this guy who is working for a company doing a very cool android app
[22:08] <jussi> Have a look at sinne - its free and the android market, works with > 2.2
[22:08] <jussi> its a keyboard app, but really really fast.
[22:11] <jussi> anyway, bed time now
[22:14] <sreich> rbelem: alrighty, isntalled successfully now
[22:14] <rbelem> sreich, awesome
[22:16] <rbelem> sreich, i'm looking for kde4.8 for oneiric
[22:17] <sreich> ok, thanks
[22:17] <rbelem> yofel, do we have a ppa with kde 4.8 for oneiric?
[22:17] <yofel> rbelem: ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[22:17] <rbelem> yofel, thanks
[22:20] <rbelem> sreich, put this http://paste.kde.org/429266/ in your /opt/ubuntu-oneiric-chroot/etc/apt/sources.list
[22:20] <rbelem> sreich, remove everything from there before
[22:23] <sreich> rbelem: anything else?
[22:24] <rbelem> sreich, yup
[22:24] <rbelem> sreich, things are coming slowly to my mind :-)
[22:24] <sreich> ah ok ;)
[22:25] <rbelem> sreich, sudo mount -o bind /dev /opt/ubuntu-oneiric-chroot/dev
[22:27] <rbelem> sreich, sudo chroot /opt/ubuntu-oneiric-chroot su -
[22:27] <sreich> ok
[22:27] <rbelem> sreich, did you copy the /etc/resolv.conf to /opt/ubuntu-oneiric-chroot/etc/resolv.conf?
[22:27] <sreich> yes
[22:28] <rbelem> sreich, now run apt-get update
[22:29] <rbelem> sreich, apt-get install python-software-properties
[22:29] <rbelem> sreich, add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[22:30] <rbelem> sreich, apt-get update
[22:30] <Tm_T> 4.8.0a ?
[22:30] <yofel> Tm_T: the a because the tarball was refreshed before release
[22:31] <Tm_T> hmmm
[22:31] <Tm_T> how thad differs from our previous 4.8.0 packages?
[22:31] <Tm_T> that
[22:32] <rbelem> sreich, apt-get install build-essential 
[22:32] <nixternal> hrmm. anyone else notice some things disappear when attached or minimized to the panel. ie. thunderbird and the telepathy widget
[22:32] <Tm_T> I'm on oneiric btw
[22:32] <yofel> Tm_T: not we refreshed it, upstream refreshed it before they released 4.8.0. But as we get early-access to the tarballs we already had the old one on launchpad. So an arbitrary version bump like that is needed
[22:32] <sreich> nixternal: yes!
[22:33] <sreich> the taskmanager widget seems to have some regression i think
[22:33] <Tm_T> yofel: right, thanks (:
[22:33] <sreich> my issue was related to "show only from current activity" for some reason
[22:33] <sreich> possibly not at all your issue though
[22:33] <yofel> nixternal: I'll confirm the telepathy one, and the telepathy folks didn't have an idea except blaming plasma
[22:33] <yofel> it works if you put it in the systray
[22:33] <rbelem> sreich, apt-get build-dep kde-workspace
[22:34] <nixternal> yofel: nice to know about the telepathy widget
[22:35] <rbelem> sreich, apt-get source kde-workspace
[22:36] <rbelem> sreich, after that apply your changes
[22:38] <rbelem> sreich, enter the source and run dpkg-buildpackage -b -j<num_jobs>
[22:38] <sreich> you're far faster than my internet connection ;p
[22:39] <rbelem> sreich, add -nc parameter if you want to build without clean the sources
[22:39] <rbelem> sreich, :-D
[22:39] <sreich> hm, interesting..after the chroot now alt+right/left arrow switches VT's
[22:39] <sreich> interesting
[22:39] <rbelem> sreich, that's it, i think :-)
[22:42] <rbelem> i think i will turn this into a blog post :-)
[22:42] <sreich> you should!
[22:42] <sreich> very helpful indeed
[22:42] <sreich> this sort of info gets too easily lost too
[22:42] <Riddell> rbelem: you got sreich all sorted?
[22:42] <rbelem> that's true, and that link is a pretty old
[22:43] <rbelem> Riddell, :-D
[22:45] <nixternal> hrmm, telepathy kcm shows me logged in to 4 services, but only shows those using google talk
[22:45] <rbelem> sreich, i forgot to say that you have to run inside the chroot 
[22:45] <nixternal> hrmm, jjesse did you just log into hotmail/msn chat crap?
[22:45] <yofel> are the others online? There's a button to show offline contacts
[22:45] <rbelem> sreich, mount /proc
[22:45] <rbelem> sreich, mount /sys
[22:45] <sreich> rbelem: oh crap
[22:45] <rbelem> sreich, mount /dev/pts
[22:46] <sreich> what if i didn't do that and i'm updating it?
[22:46] <rbelem> sorry
[22:46] <rbelem> sreich, you will get just some warnings
[22:46] <sreich> ok
[22:48] <jjesse> nixternal i may have :)
[22:49] <nixternal> the telepathy client is a buggy bastard, but i like its simplicity to be honest
[22:49] <nixternal> though, kopete worked flawlessly for the way i used it
[22:50] <rbelem> Riddell, could take a look at the startactive package? should i file a bug to FFe it?
[22:50] <Riddell> rbelem: yeah I'll look in a minue
[22:50] <Riddell> FFe bug probably a good idea yes
[22:51] <Riddell> shadeslayer: "I've created the tarballs for KDevelop 4.3 RC 1." is that your area?
[22:51] <rbelem> Riddell, i will upload tomorrow declarative-plasmoids
[22:51] <rbelem> Riddell, i will ping you when it is ready
[22:51] <rbelem> :-)
[22:52] <rbelem> Riddell, thaks
[22:53] <rbelem> Riddell, ah! also i will update tomorrow kubuntu-active-default-settings
[22:53] <rbelem> Riddell, and i hope this week i will get kcm filesharing ready
[22:54] <Riddell> progress on the images!
[22:54] <Riddell> we have logs http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/precise/kubuntu-active/20120225/livecd-20120225-i386.out
[22:54] <Riddell> missing share-like-connect which is in new, I'll look at that now
[22:55] <rbelem> groovy :-)
[22:58] <rbelem> sreich, i have to go now
[22:59] <sreich> rbelem: ok, thanks for the help
[23:00] <rbelem> sreich, i think Riddell and yofel can help you if you have any issues :-)
[23:00] <sreich> ok
[23:01] <rbelem> sreich, you r very welcome :-)
[23:08]  * yofel put ksecrets into experimental
[23:08] <yofel> if someone wants to test it
[23:08] <yofel> I have no idea how one is supposed to use it
[23:08] <yofel> upstream documentation is useless
[23:10] <bulldog98> yofel: what’s the kdelibs change in there?
[23:10] <Riddell> yofel: presumably you need an application that uses it
[23:10] <Riddell> yofel: it's just a library and kded module?
[23:11] <yofel> bulldog98: iirc some mail in the discussion said that you need to rebuild kdelibs with  ksecrets to make it usable
[23:11] <bulldog98> Riddell: kwallet can use it as backend afaik
[23:11] <bulldog98> yofel: ok
[23:11] <yofel> Riddell: it's a service for dbus with a sync module and should behave as a kwallet backend
[23:11] <Riddell> rbelem: startactive is a native package in the PPA
[23:12] <Riddell> so change a kwallet setting and everything will use secretservice?
[23:13] <yofel> should be, except that is something I'm pretty sure is broken in my package
[23:13] <yofel> as kwallet should have a checkbox to use ksecrets, and it doesn't
[23:13] <yofel> I need to find some upstream dev to explain to me how that's supposed to work
[23:16] <Riddell> rbelem: how do you actually use startactive?  there's no xsession file to log into
[23:17] <nixternal> Riddell: on printer-config, when you select "Show printers shared by other systems", should shared printers just automatically show up?
[23:22] <rbelem> Riddell, the xsession desktop will be in the kubuntu-active-default-settings
[23:23] <rbelem> Riddell, hum... it should not be native, i think
[23:25] <Riddell> nixternal: I've no idea, it's dantti's programme
[23:25] <sreich> rbelem: so..how do i actually provide someone with this package. can i just give them plasma-netbook?
[23:25] <nixternal> hehe
[23:25] <sreich> also, how do i compile for $arch
[23:25] <Riddell> nixternal: but I would guess so
[23:26] <sreich> -a i guess?
[23:26] <nixternal> the computer must be a part of the same workgroup with samba probably then for that to work. time to play with that for a few minutes and see if i can get it to automatically recognize printers
[23:26]  * sreich wonders what valid values there are
[23:26] <rbelem> sreich, the package is in the parent dir of the source root
[23:26] <kklimonda> hmm, does recent changes in how canonical supports Kubuntu mean demoting everything but Qt (and libraries used by Unity) to universe?
[23:28] <rbelem> sreich, and probably the netbook package has the changes
[23:28] <sreich> ok
[23:28] <sreich> so that was easy. /me prays it will work ;)
[23:30] <rbelem> sreich, does the target computer have kde4.8?
[23:30] <yofel> kklimonda: maybe not all, but probably most of our packages
[23:30] <sreich> rbelem: yes
[23:30] <rbelem> nice
[23:32] <nixternal> did this survive that brutal attack I just puto n my system?
[23:32] <nixternal> looks like
[23:38] <nixternal> yeah, when apport crashes, 'The KDE Crash Handler', aka Dr. Konqi, fires up so I can report the bug. any plan/idea for a fix?
[23:38] <sreich> what should i pass to dpkg-buildpackage -t for i686?
[23:40] <nixternal> don't we use i386? I assume you are building on a x86_64 machine
[23:40] <sreich> oh
[23:40] <sreich> yes i am
[23:40] <sreich> thx
[23:42] <nixternal> did that work? it has been awhile since I used x86_64 & built x86 packages
[23:42] <yofel> uh, I think you need a 32-bit chroot for that.
[23:42] <nixternal> i finally got tired of ia32-libs :)
[23:43] <yofel> at least that's what I use
[23:43] <yofel> maybe you can do that in some other way too
[23:43] <nixternal> i can't remember now, i think i used schroot back in the day as well
[23:43] <nixternal> amd64 is worthless anyways
[23:43] <sreich> worthless?
[23:44] <nixternal> what is the benefit of it?
[23:44] <sreich> oh, no idea ;)
[23:44] <nixternal> do the pros outweight the cons?
[23:44] <nixternal> i don't either, i just know i never saw any type of performance increase
[23:45] <nixternal> but i know working with java & other things that weren't x86_64 specific had to mingle with ia32-libs and there were some dirty hacks that had to be done for quite a few projects i worked on in the past
[23:45] <nixternal> with x86 and pae, i can use all the memory i need and it is all good
[23:45] <sreich> you get far fewer registers with x86
[23:45] <sreich> it's a crappy arch
[23:46] <nixternal> holy hell, one crash started an insane chain of events
[23:46] <sreich> 64-bit widens the registers and provides more
[23:46] <sreich> heh
[23:46] <nixternal> knetattach crash > apport runs as it should > apport crashes > dr. konqi runs as it shouldn't > dr. konqi crashes > apport runs as it should > apport is now frozen
[23:47] <sreich> hahaa
[23:47] <nixternal> now i am looking at a backtrace and i have no idea which app it belongs to
[23:49] <nixternal> wth, now LP opened (w/o me knowing or wanting it to) to file a bug report against kde-runtime & kcmshell4
[23:49] <nixternal> oh lord
[23:49] <yofel> kcmshell4 would be for apport, as that's what it uses to open the browser for bugfiling
[23:50] <yofel> hm
[23:52] <yofel> hm, no, it only uses xdg-open these days
[23:55] <rbelem> sreich, still want to build for i686?
[23:56] <sreich> rbelem: yes
[23:56] <rbelem> sreich, do you have linux32 cmd in fedora?
[23:57] <sreich> rbelem: yes
[23:59] <rbelem> sreich, we have two ways to do that
[23:59] <rbelem> sreich, one is using pbuilder and the other is creating a x86 chroot