[01:47] <DropsOfSerenity> is there any way to change the gradation of the volume slider when I press the volume up button, I have sensitive speakers and would like to raise it  around 2% instead of 5% i'm running ubuntu 12.04
[02:20] <DropsOfSerenity> is there any way to change the gradation of the volume slider when I press the volume up button, I have sensitive speakers and would like to raise it  around 2% instead of 5% i'm running ubuntu 12.04
[02:20] <DropsOfSerenity> i've been looking in dconf-editor for an option like volume-step or something
[04:25] <JamesMR> popey: do you happen to know if kazam usually hangs for ages after recording a two hour screencast?
[04:34] <cheako> has anyone used luks on a USB drives casper-rw file?
[05:38] <kabiigon> hi
[05:38] <kabiigon> does anyoneknow about usb3
[05:42] <kabiigon> my card is being reconized by lspci
[05:51] <cheako> kabiigon: I've got that, but I don't have any devices beyond usb2.0.
[05:52] <cheako> One note is that installing the drivers on windows XP will cause kvm/qemu to loose access to USB devices(if you follow).
[05:54] <log> !info mesa
[05:54] <log> !info mesa oneiric
[05:57] <cheako> !info mesa-common-dev
[06:38] <cheako> I've mastered folding USB persistent storage into squashfs.  http://jan.varho.org/?p=254&cpage=1#comment-1123
[07:50] <xiambax> GTK seems to be buggy in development
[07:50] <xiambax> Could it be because of old themes?
[07:59] <cheako> xiambax: I have problems with huludesktop after attempting(failing) to configure transparency in GTK.  I don't understand engines at all.
[08:00] <xiambax> I do a little. But all the engines apparently pulled over correctly. Still look like ass. I just went default gtk
[08:05] <cheako> Yeah, I just want fiery/blurry/cube-spinning/wobbling effects back.  Though this gnome-shell interface is niffy.
[08:07] <xiambax> I prefer gnome over unity. but i used Fluxbox back in the day.
[08:07] <xiambax> But I have a mac desktop
[08:07] <xiambax> So mac and gnome seem very similar to me
[08:10] <cheako> I had a G5-PPC and I ended up putting Debian on it because I couldn't stand the UI(back then I was a sawfish/gnome-session/panel user) used) and it's X implementation leaved much to be desired.
[08:10] <cheako> ...that and after going hard down the filesystem's b-tree would be corrupt, when that happens it's all over.
[10:22] <OldManMagnus> hi. anyone got any idea how to change the nautilus right click menu to get the "open with" option back?
[10:23] <OldManMagnus> i'm writing some code and want to run it from nautilus.
[10:24] <OldManMagnus> it gives you a list of programs you can use, but doesn't seem to let you add your own.
[10:33] <spacebug-> OldManMagnus: I'm using an extention for that in nautilus which lets you add your own program/scritps to run on files/folders
[10:40] <OldManMagnus> spacebug-: ah, that sounds useful. got a link?
[10:46] <OldManMagnus> spacebug-: ?
[10:47] <spacebug-> sorry took a shower hehe. Hum
[10:48] <spacebug-> not sure which of my packages it is.. w8
[10:48] <pangolin> OldManMagnus: I think nautilus-actions is what you want
[10:49] <spacebug-> http://pastebin.com/y4jr1T9D
[10:49] <spacebug-> yeah me too
[10:50] <OldManMagnus> cool. thanks guys.
[10:50] <spacebug-> then scripts should be in $HOME/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts
[11:02] <DaniG2k> guys how can I remove unity in 12.04 and install xfce?
[11:04] <DaniG2k> guys how can I remove unity in 12.04 and install xfce?
[11:04] <robin0800> ! notunity | DaniG2k
[11:05] <brobostigon> !xubuntu-desktop
[11:05] <DaniG2k> so i have to install gnome first and xfce second?
[11:06] <brobostigon> DaniG2k: you should just be able to install xubuntu-desktop package, and just switch on login.
[11:06] <DaniG2k> ok
[11:06] <DaniG2k> how do I get rid of Unity after?
[11:06] <brobostigon> DaniG2k: or just use xubuntu 12.04
[11:21] <zzecool> DaniG2k: read this http://askubuntu.com/questions/6302/how-can-you-remove-unity
[11:21] <zzecool> probably the same or almost the same will work for precise
[11:21] <zzecool> instead of use the terminal do what the tutorial says using synaptic
[11:22] <zzecool> so you can have a visual about what is happening
[11:22] <zzecool> glosoli: nooboli
[11:22] <zzecool> :D
[11:23] <glosoli> what ?
[11:25] <DaniG2k> im afraid it will mess up my system for some reason :S
[11:25] <glosoli> DaniG2k: Why would you remove unity
[11:25] <glosoli>  ?
[11:26] <DaniG2k> because i can't stand it
[11:26] <glosoli> DaniG2k: So just switch to Gnome Classic :)
[11:26] <glosoli> No need to remove it
[11:26] <glosoli> it doesn't use 10tb in your hdd
[11:26] <DaniG2k> my partition is really low on space
[11:26] <brobostigon> as i said, why not just use xubuntu 12.04, then no need to mess around, it has xfce, and no need to worry about unity.
[11:26] <DaniG2k> i have 200MB left :'(
[11:27] <glosoli> DaniG2k: how much you gave for Linux ?
[11:28] <DaniG2k> 20GB
[11:28] <DaniG2k> but Ubuntu becomes bigger and bigger
[11:28] <DaniG2k> so now I'm really low on space
[11:28] <DaniG2k> thinking of just switching distro
[11:29] <brobostigon> DaniG2k: it is worth seeing how big /var/log is, as that is where all the log files are, and it can become quite a size.
[11:30] <DaniG2k> brobostigon: its 34 MB
[11:30] <brobostigon> DaniG2k: you should have disk space analyser installed, use that to see wheree space is being used, and can be cleaned out.
[11:35] <yofel> DaniG2k: if you're on precise your apt file cache is likely using a lot of space, run apt-get clean
[11:50] <chmac> How do I get the laptop to lock the screen when I close the lid?
[11:51] <bazhang> chmac, check the screensaver settings?
[11:52] <chmac> bazhang: I don't have screensaver settings in system settings I don't think.
[11:53] <chmac> bazhang: My options in power settings are "when lid is closed" do nothing, suspend or hibernate. I want lock.
[11:57] <arand> chmac: Looking in dconf,doesn't look like that is available in gnome, unfortunately...
[11:57] <chmac> arand: Sadly my research is turning up the same, although I did find a bash script that apparently has the desired effect, will experiment later. :-)
[11:57] <chmac> arand, bazhang: Thanks for looking into it.
[11:58] <zzecool> chmac: system settings --------> brightness and lock
[11:59] <chmac> zzecool: So I have lock "On" after 5 minutes, but if I close the lid and reopen within 5 minutes, screen is unlocked.
[11:59] <arand> dconf makes me wonder what some people are smoking...
[12:00] <zzecool> chmac: Lock screen after screen : Turns off
[12:01] <zzecool> its simple
[12:01] <zzecool> why so much confusion ?
[12:01] <chmac> zzecool: Just tried it, but it doesn't have the desired effect.
[12:01] <chmac> zzecool: I think it refers to the setting above, turn the screen off when inactive for X minutes.
[12:02] <zzecool> What is the desired and what it does?
[12:02] <chmac> zzecool: I want the screen to lock when I close the laptop lid. It does not currently.
[12:05] <mortal> has anyone else had virtual desktop keybindings disappear with the latest update?
[12:06] <chmac> mortal: You mean ctrl-alt-left/right/etc? If so, yes.
[12:06] <zzecool> chmac: i think the suspend is broken
[12:06] <chmac> zzecool: I don't want my machine to suspend when I close the lid.
[12:07] <chmac> How do I find out (command line) whether a package was installed manually or as a dependency?
[12:07] <zzecool> then there is no feature that can make what you asking
[12:07] <zzecool> you can file a bug
[12:07] <zzecool> as a wish
[12:07] <zzecool> and explain what you want as a behaviour
[12:07] <chmac> zzecool: Ok, thanks for your input.
[12:07] <arand> mortal: They werer moved, no?
[12:08] <arand> mortal: super+shift+arrows
[12:08] <zzecool> chmac: go and fill the bug report because noon will do it for you
[12:08] <zzecool> nooone*
[12:08] <mortal> thank you
[12:10] <mortal> I have also lost the network-manager icon
[12:11]  * arand wonders if the keybind change will be the "omg-wtf-revert!!!-ubuntu-is-stupid" of this release ;)
[12:12] <chmac> arand: What's the new keybind?
[12:12] <arand> chmac: ^ I just said it :)
[12:12] <chmac> arand: Oh yes, so you did! :-)
[12:12] <chmac> Oh, that's a much better default.
[12:14] <chmac> Anyone else have openid issues logging into launchpad? Regularly fails for me and I can never remember exactly how I got it to work previously.
[12:21] <chmac> zzecool: The bug exists already https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/871047
[12:21] <zzecool> ok i will confirm it
[12:21] <zzecool> :)
[12:21] <zzecool> as affects me
[12:22] <chmac> Sweet
[12:23] <arand> zzecool: Likely something that could use forwarding upstream to gnome
[12:24] <zzecool> it is confirmed hope that it is going to get any attention
[13:00] <penguin42> chromium seems to be getting a bit touchy for me in PP; a few attempts to start, a few hangs - anyone else seeing this?
[13:01] <jokerdino> i think it is just you ma'am penguin42
[13:03] <penguin42> damn; going to be hard to debug and impossible to report given it's non-repeatable
[13:03] <jokerdino> what exactly is happening?
[13:04] <penguin42> jokerdino: I've had a few times clicked the button on the panel and it doesn't come up; click again a minute later and it starts
[13:05] <penguin42> jokerdino: But today I've also had a few crashes on simple stuff like G+ and google reader, page opening empty and other pages not responding to clicks
[13:06] <jokerdino> oh dear, it is awesome as ever before here.
[13:06] <jokerdino> BRB
[13:07] <brobostigon> penguin42: start it from terminal, and watch the error output in terminal.
[13:07] <penguin42> brobostigon: Indeed, and of course having done that it worked
[13:08] <brobostigon> penguin42: hmmm, interesting.
[13:08] <penguin42> bit of a heisenbug
[13:55] <spacebug-> I remapped show first menuitem from F10 to F12 in ccsm and I have also unchecked "enable menu shortcut key" in terminal but when I press F10 now it brings up the same menu I get when pressing right mouse key. How can I disable/change that? I'm using F10 to get the quit dialog in mc
[14:48] <jrgifford> anyone know what package supplies the dictionaries? I found a bug - it doesn't know what "Pangolin" is...
[14:52] <ironhalik> the irony...
[14:53] <jrgifford> i know right?
[14:53] <brobostigon> !aspell
[14:53] <brobostigon> !info aspell
[18:10] <cjohnston> I just opened chromium and got a system crash.. It says "Sorry, Ubuntu 12.04 has expereinced an internal error. It gives me a check box for send an error report, a button for show details and a continue button.. One problem, my mouse stops working after this crash.. The Caps lock and scroll lock buttons on my keyboard are now flashing.. any ideas?
[18:10] <penguin42> cjohnston: If capslock/scroll lock are flashing it's probably a kernel panic - you need to hit reset
[18:11] <cjohnston> penguin42: I did that the first time, and it did it again.. is there anything i can do to get rid of this?
[18:12] <cjohnston> other than wait for an update?
[18:13] <penguin42> cjohnston: it's most likely a graphics driver issue (although chromium is getting touchy for me as well and I'm not seeing a kernel panic)
[18:15] <penguin42> cjohnston: It's interesting it manages to display the crash box before it dies - there is a small chance there are actually some logs in /var/log/syslog after reboot
[18:17] <zzecool> glosoli: you here?
[18:17] <cjohnston> penguin42: is there something i can search for it in to try and find?
[18:19] <penguin42> well it would be a back trace I'd be looking for - just before the last boot
[18:19] <cjohnston> penguin42: I just found BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at ffffffff81176800
[18:19] <penguin42> cjohnston: Ah, can you pastebin it?
[18:20] <cjohnston> penguin42: its on the current boot, not the last one...
[18:20] <cjohnston> but still an issue
[18:20] <cjohnston> http://paste.ubuntu.com/856818/
[18:21] <glosoli> zzecool: yea
[18:21] <penguin42> cjohnston: Hmm that shouldn't happen
[18:22] <zzecool> glosoli: i had constant crashes on google chrome unstable
[18:22] <glosoli> zzecool: I'm not, just for nautilus....
[18:22] <zzecool> but i did delete .config/google-chrome and did a reinstall
[18:22] <cjohnston> penguin42: I also found http://paste.ubuntu.com/856826/
[18:23] <zzecool> im ok now
[18:23] <glosoli> zzecool: my nautilus constantly crash
[18:23] <zzecool> rly?
[18:23] <zzecool> np here
[18:23] <zzecool> works great
[18:24] <zzecool> i had some dash lock ups
[18:24] <zzecool> looked like working but you cant run any app
[18:24] <zzecool> only navigate
[18:24] <zzecool> log out log in is a fix
[18:29] <penguin42> cjohnston: Don't worry - probably separate bug
[18:30] <glosoli> friggin smuxi....
[18:30] <glosoli> disconnected me once again
[18:31] <cjohnston> penguin42: so do i need to report two seperate bugs?
[18:35] <penguin42> cjohnston: Yep, looks like it
[18:35] <cjohnston> what should I file them against? just ubuntu?
[18:36] <penguin42> cjohnston: use ubuntu-bug linux    for both of them
[18:36] <cjohnston> ok
[18:41] <cjohnston> penguin42: that went over very poorly for me.. I'm now at the login screen
[18:42] <penguin42> cjohnston: It sounds like lots of random stuff is failing for you - I'd run a ramtest
[18:42] <cjohnston> how do i do that
[18:43] <Hiob10hiob> moin, i have a problem.....
[18:44] <Hiob10hiob> when i leave my Laptop for a while, it cant wake up again
[18:44] <Hiob10hiob> the screen just stay black
[18:44] <Hiob10hiob> CTRL + ALT + F1 has no reaction
[18:45] <Hiob10hiob> only with CTRL + ALT + PRINT + U +X (Kernel Shutdown) i can shutdown
[18:49] <Hiob10hiob> any suggestions?
[18:51] <ironhalik> any ideas how I could run unity2d from livecd? when I try to change users, lightdm gets stuck in a restart loop
[18:51] <ironhalik> I think there was some way to simulate lightdm from within another session
[18:55] <Ampelbein> ironhalik: xnest or xephyr?
[19:12] <ironhalik> I think it will be easier to just install it :)
[19:17] <ironhalik> hmm, where is a samba share mounted?
[19:17] <ironhalik> if I accessed it via nautilus
[19:17] <crizzy> ironhalik: under /media likely
[19:17] <ironhalik> actually, its not there
[19:17] <ironhalik> neither in /mnt
[19:19] <Ampelbein> ironhalik: doesn't it show in mtab?
[19:20] <ironhalik> nope
[19:20] <ironhalik> nvm, I mounted it manually
[19:28] <scientes> with the test rebuild me everyone who has precise will have to downlaod everything over again?
[19:28] <Ampelbein> scientes: Nope, the rebuild is done in a seperate archive.
[19:29] <Ampelbein> scientes: You have to only download packages that failed in the rebuild and got a new upload to fix the failure.
[19:29] <scientes> will there be a rebuild in the main archive down the road?
[19:29] <Ampelbein> scientes: No, this is never done.
[19:29] <scientes> ok thx
[19:29] <scientes> so all i loose is stability bug-wise :)
[19:30] <scientes> ''This is still a BETA release.''
[19:30] <scientes> already says BETA
[19:31] <penguin42> cjohnston: Reboot, hold left shift down as it comes past the bios, you should get a grub menu and on that menu is a memtest, leave it at the memtest for a few hours and see if it gives any errors
[19:43] <scientes> cjohnston, at least the recent memtests will tell you on the screen after a full pass has completed without errors
[19:52] <scientes> are delta-debs going to come any time soon?
[19:52] <scientes> i.e. presto
[19:54] <arand> scientes: A debdelta server for the ubuntu repo? THere isn't one yet?
[19:54] <scientes> all the test-rebuild is so that people don't run into problems when they download the source and build their own
[19:54] <scientes> arand, ubuntu brainstorm said it was in development
[19:54] <scientes> presto for ubuntu
[20:02] <mrdeb> hi
[20:02] <mrdeb> who uses the 1204
[20:08] <penguin42> most here
[20:19] <outbox> when I dig host the query time is always 0 even when I restart dnsmasq,  how can i make sure that dnsmasq is working fine?
[20:22] <urfr332gO> outbox, you running a actual release or 12.04?
[20:22] <ironhalik> penguin42: maybe you will know - whe the hell Ubuntu didnt go with Precise Penguin with 12.04?!
[20:23] <outbox> urfr332gO, yes
[20:23] <urfr332gO> outbox, yes meaning 12.04?
[20:24] <penguin42> ironhalik: I don't know! Precise Penguin Provides Perfect Peudonym
[20:24] <penguin42> ironhalik: Personally I blame big Mark
[20:24] <outbox> urfr332gO, it is
[20:24] <urfr332gO> outbox, cool, you in the right place. :)
[20:24] <ironhalik> if he keeps it up, we gonna have to do something about big mark ;>
[20:25] <ironhalik> anyone actually had dnsmasq installed by default?
[20:25] <ironhalik> oh nvm, I probably had it, it just wasnt caching
[20:25] <penguin42> ironhalik: It seems dnsmasq is now a default in PP
[20:26] <zzecool> yes it is
[20:26] <zzecool> its was a description in one bluprint asswel
[20:26] <zzecool> as well*
[20:26] <zzecool> ;p
[20:26] <outbox> so how can i uninstall dnsmasq as network-manager depends on it
[20:26] <scientes> installing dnsmasq by default now?
[20:27] <scientes> that sounds like a good move
[20:27] <scientes> its a great piece of software
[20:27] <zzecool> scientes: do you know any way to make dnsmsq to forward the resolvs to another dns ?
[20:28] <zzecool> i was trying to find a way to have dnsmsq + dnscrypt work together in different ips
[20:28] <zzecool> but i cant find any way to forward the dns resolves
[20:28] <scientes> zzecool, dnsmasq just uses resolv.conf
[20:28] <scientes> unless you give it another resolv.conf
[20:28] <zzecool> hmm
[20:29] <scientes> you can also set dns server on a domain basis
[20:29] <scientes> like to force ipv6 resolving for google
[20:29] <scientes> or maybe they make that the default now, not sure
[20:29] <scientes> just man dnsmasq, its well documented
[20:29] <zzecool> i think that whatever i put in resolv.conf resets back to 127.0.0.1 where dnsmaq is listening
[20:29] <scientes> ahhh gotcha
[20:30] <scientes> thats a dhcp problem
[20:30] <scientes> but its probably not 127.0.0.1 but your external ip address
[20:30] <outbox> zzecool, you can use package resolveconf to keep your resolve.conf settings permanenly
[20:30] <penguin42> zzecool: Yeh, there is now a config file that dnsmasq reads instead - and it's all driven by network manager
[20:30] <scientes> ^^^
[20:31] <zzecool> i know all this
[20:31] <scientes> dnsmasq in ubuntu i guess uses an alternate resolv.conf
[20:31] <zzecool> every single one dns server - cache have an option to only cache and forward the resolves to another server
[20:31] <zzecool> i cant find this feature to dnsmasq
[20:31] <scientes> zzecool, and that is exactly what dnsmasq does by default
[20:32] <scientes> so you don't even have to configure it
[20:33] <zzecool> scientes: let me explain
[20:33] <zzecool> i have 2 dns servers running on my pc
[20:33] <scientes> zzecool, just set the alternate resolv.confr by hand
[20:33] <scientes> and then put the ips you want to forward to inthere
[20:33] <zzecool> confr ?
[20:34] <scientes> you can tell dnsmasq which resolv.conf to use in dnsmasq.conf
[20:34] <zzecool> but network manager use his config
[20:34] <zzecool> every time dnsmasq starts
[20:34] <zzecool> let me show you
[20:35] <zzecool> type  :  ps aux | grep dnsmasq
[20:36] <zzecool> you will see the config
[20:36] <scientes> well im using oneric
[20:36] <scientes> hope the upgrade to precise doesn't f it up for me
[20:36] <scientes> cause i use dnsmasq for alot of stuff
[20:36] <scientes> like tftp
[20:37] <zzecool> wait i will show you
[20:37] <zzecool> scientes: http://pastebin.com/eYbxVpVh
[20:38] <zzecool> this is by default
[20:38] <zzecool> so its allrdy a mess
[20:38] <scientes> oh geeze
[20:38] <scientes> that ubuntu for you (did i say that!)
[20:39] <scientes> if they are going to do something ugly like that they should listen on a non-default port
[20:39] <zzecool> it gonna be for you too ;p
[20:39] <scientes> or just on lo
[20:39] <scientes> so it doesn
[20:39] <zzecool> its on lo
[20:39] <scientes> 't conflict with running your own dns server
[20:39] <zzecool> but on the default port
[20:39] <scientes> on the real port
[20:39] <scientes> no, its not on lo
[20:39] <zzecool> my second dns is running on 127.0.0.2 so i dont have a conflict
[20:39] <scientes> its on 127.0.0.1
[20:39] <scientes> there is a difference
[20:39] <zzecool> but i cant redirect form dnsmasq to the second
[20:40] <scientes> thats a fucking mess
[20:40] <zzecool> i told ya
[20:40] <scientes> shit, and the precise upgrade already started
[20:40] <zzecool> lol
[20:40] <scientes> that will fuck my shit up
[20:41] <penguin42> scientes: While it may indeed be, they prefer less language in this channel
[20:41] <zzecool> i was testing DNSCrypt form opendns
[20:41] <zzecool> its very cool
[20:41] <scientes> oh sorry penguin42
[20:41] <zzecool> but doesnt give a shit about local dns names
[20:41] <zzecool> so you need a second dns
[20:41] <zzecool> ;/
[20:41] <ironhalik> hmm, I guess I can enable dnsmasq caching function?
[20:41] <zzecool> ironhalik: i dont know
[20:42] <mrdeb> huh
[20:42] <zzecool> it is suppose that the implement dnsmasq for cache but the config  is strange
[20:42] <zzecool> i dont get it
[20:42] <zzecool> that they *
[20:43] <zzecool> nevermind gonna watch some series  ;p c ya
[20:43] <ironhalik>       hf :>
[20:43] <zzecool> ty
[20:44] <zzecool> if you have any news about dnsmasq  give me a notice when you see me again :)
[20:51] <penguin42> hmm - is it possible to run a dns server on a port other than 53 and resolv.conf pick it up? And would it make sense for nm to do that to cause less chaos?
[20:52] <penguin42> hmm doesn't look like resolv.conf supports a port
[20:54] <scientes> is this a ubuntu change or an upstream change?
[20:54] <scientes> dnsmasq supports a config directory, ie /etc/dnsmasq.d/
[20:54] <scientes> then network manager could split out the DHCP, TFTP, stuff
[20:55] <ironhalik> hmm, Ive got no dnsmasq confs in etc
[20:55] <scientes> and ship a differn't default dns config for dnsmasq that only listens locally
[20:55] <scientes> ironhalik, /etc/dnsmasq.conf
[20:55] <scientes> the directory is not shipped currently
[20:56] <ironhalik> nope, no conf
[20:56] <scientes> but dovecot for example changed from one big, to a directory style
[20:56] <ironhalik> and no service, either
[20:56] <scientes> oh, well i havn't confirmed that
[20:56] <penguin42> scientes: Looks like it's Ubuntu - based off: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-p-dns-resolving
[20:56] <ironhalik> well, should it have an init script?
[20:58] <ironhalik>  hmm, on the other hand, maybe those changes make my openvpn work on 12.04 and not work in arch
[21:05] <Ian_Corne> nice one jo-erlend
[21:05] <jo-erlend> Ian_Corne?
[21:05] <Ian_Corne> https://lists.launchpad.net/unity-design/msg08073.html
[21:06] <Ian_Corne> did he reply?
[21:06] <jo-erlend> oh, that discussion went way too far.
[21:07] <Ian_Corne> I'm pretty sure he doesn't have much supporters of his views
[21:07] <jo-erlend> I don't think anybody bothered to see what the application is really about. It's a nearly defunct photo album/video catalog. Has absolutely nothing to do with pornography.
[21:08] <Ian_Corne> yeah
[21:08] <jo-erlend> if people are so sensitive that a mere word is enough to cause mental damage, then ... what can we do? There's got to be a limit.
[21:09] <Ian_Corne> indeed
[21:09] <jo-erlend> heh, you could, for instance say that fsck should be banned, because it could easily be mistyped into spelling an extremely horrible word. :)
[21:09] <jo-erlend> but I too went way too far in the discussion, and I'm trying to put it behind me. I don't usually react so strongly, and I shouldn't have.
[21:12] <ironhalik> hmm, Ubuntu tries to hit buisness market now, and such large and open repos could offset some corporate minds
[21:13] <ironhalik> ofcourse, you can install apps like that in Windows
[21:13] <ironhalik> but for some, of its in the software center, its built right into the operating system! portn operating system!
[21:14] <ironhalik> still, its much lesser evil/inconvinience then censoring everything
[21:14] <ironhalik> so nvm
[21:22] <jo-erlend> ironhalik, "apps like that"? You mean photo albums?
[21:22] <ironhalik> yeah, thats silly :)
[21:23] <ironhalik> photo albums named 'PronViewer' and using a blond, 80s style, pixelated chick as its icon
[21:23] <jo-erlend> What about "Xchat"? Does that sound a little suspicious as well?
[21:24] <ironhalik> less then BitchX :P
[21:24] <ironhalik> Its not about rational arguments, its about corporate mind
[21:24] <ironhalik> at least as I see it
[21:25] <jo-erlend> no, it was about religion. It was claimed that Ubuntu should be considered a completely Christian operating system, and therefore anything not Christian must be removed.
[21:26] <ironhalik> oh, I didnt think about it in that categories ;>
[21:26] <jo-erlend> but just like that discussion was inappropriate on the design list, this discussion is really inappropriate here, I think.
[21:26] <ironhalik> true
[21:31] <ironhalik> either way, I think the issue of operating system and religion conformity is silly enough it may be ignored :)
[21:31] <urfr332gO> ironhalik, gee golly wally were you not the one to complain about vapid posts yesterday. :)
[21:32] <ironhalik> I was? :)
[21:33] <jo-erlend> ironhalik, if you're reading through that list, however, you may find the posts from Ryan Gauger somewhat amusing...
[21:33] <ironhalik> I dont recall
[21:33] <urfr332gO> it was you but no biggie. :)
[21:33] <ironhalik> jo-erlend: I tried but it times out on me for some reason
[21:34] <ironhalik> urfr332gO: I really dont remember :) And since I dont visit the forums or lists, I dont know how its possible :)
[21:35] <urfr332gO> ironhalik, T 1330120503 8 28 ironhalik	thats a lot of pointless discussion '?
[21:36] <urfr332gO> from scrollback
[21:36] <ironhalik> oh that wasnt about a post :P
[21:36] <ironhalik> that was about a discussion here
[21:36] <urfr332gO> ironhalik, about my discussion with another.
[21:36] <urfr332gO> ironhalik, do you get the point your now is no different.
[21:37] <urfr332gO> yours
[21:37] <ironhalik> it was tangue-in-cheek, since I didnt participate much
[21:37] <urfr332gO> ironhalik, I don't really care by the way just pointing this out. :)
[21:38] <urfr332gO> we all talk and say things off topic, most of us realize this and try to keep it shor.
[21:38] <ironhalik> I guess you're right - discussing the state of gaming and graphic performance in linux, in comparision with windows is almost religious in nature and should be ignored :P
[21:38] <urfr332gO> short
[21:39] <ironhalik> oh
[21:39] <ironhalik> well, since there is no other chatter here
[21:39] <urfr332gO> go for it I say. :)
[21:39] <ironhalik> ;>
[21:40] <ironhalik> hmm, Im even idling in #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:40] <ironhalik> But people there are talking about frozen pizza :/
[21:41] <urfr332gO> ironhalik, I never go there it is like a good old boys club with generally user with no critical thinking abilities, but that is just my opinion. :)
[21:41] <urfr332gO> users
[21:42] <ironhalik> Well, if you "love frozen pizza", you seriously lack critical thinking abilities :)
[21:43] <urfr332gO> ironhalik, lol that is about the jist of it, and while eating it in your parents basement, "mommie"
[21:43] <ironhalik> and I think he ment frozen as in not-yet-thawed
[21:43] <urfr332gO> lol
[21:44] <ironhalik> Thats cruel :> I think most Ubuntu users moved out of their parents basement ;>
[21:47] <ironhalik> I think I know someone that lives with his parents attic actually, and his an avid Windows Sever 2003 user :)
[21:48] <urfr332gO> ironhalik, may have moved out but the mentality sticks. :) It is a metaphor
[21:49] <ironhalik> Sure, just kidding around ;>
[21:49] <ironhalik> But its still true story :)
[22:02] <Amoz> hi, anyone know if the ctrl+alt+arrowkeys shortcuts in gnome-shell are borked?
[22:04] <penguin42> Amoz: Someone said they changed to super+alt+arrowkeys (not tried it myself)
[22:05] <jakubo> hi, what does the dri mesa experimental package do in 12.04?
[22:07] <Amoz> penguin42, doesn't work here either. I'll check if I can find shortcut settings somewhere.
[22:09] <jakubo> does it change anyting?
[22:12] <Daekdroom> jakubo, I think it contains the gallium mesa driver for nvidia cards, but let me check
[22:13] <jakubo> it activated quite a few things when gallium was not default, but that changed quite some time ago
[22:14] <jakubo> it used to bork my intel driver for instance...
[22:14] <Daekdroom> Well, the opensource nouveau driver is quite recent, so it might not be default on mesa yet.
[22:15] <ironhalik> Amoz: you can change the shortcuts in CCSM
[22:15] <Daekdroom> ironhalik, he's talking about gnome-shell
[22:15] <ironhalik> Amoz: right now they're binded to super+shift+arrows
[22:16] <ironhalik> oh, sorry, missed that :D
[22:16] <Daekdroom> Nothing to do with how unity shortcuts are set
[23:47] <ironhalik> Guys, would you say that missing hibernation entry in the cog button is a pm-utils issue of the applets? :>
[23:49] <snadge> its actually a "feature"
[23:51] <snadge> hibernate has been disabled by default, unless your system appears in a whitelist.. which is apparently very small
[23:52] <snadge> you can re-enable it again by editing an obscure file
[23:52] <penguin42> that's a bit sad - although I can kind of understand why
[23:53] <ironhalik> oh, wow
[23:53] <ironhalik> funny part is, pm-hibernate works correctly
[23:53] <ironhalik> where is the file I can edit? :>
[23:55] <ironhalik> btw, disabling hibernation by default is not very green of them :P
[23:57] <ironhalik> ok, found the file http://askubuntu.com/questions/94754/how-to-modify-policykit-to-allow-hibernation-in-upower
[23:59] <Daekdroom> ironhalik, hibernation is known to not work very well on a lot of systems.
[23:59] <graingert> is anyone getting an issue where they type a few letters into gnome-shell and it crashes?