[00:00] <AlanBell> http://askubuntu.com/questions/107442/orca-screen-reader/107473#107473 yay I did a thing on askubuntu to correct some fantasically crap advice that someone was given there
[00:02] <gord> i've only one experience with ask ubuntu, and that is that i have an rss feed from it in my google homepage. whenever i see a question i can answer i go there to find someone else has done a good job of answering it anyway.
[00:11]  * popey votes AlanBell up
[00:12] <AlanBell> somehow I have a reputation of 137, without actually thinking I use askubuntu at all
[00:14] <penguin42> AlanBell: You sure your chickens aren't doing stuff while you're out?
[00:14] <AlanBell> that is probably it
[00:14] <jpds> They're probably crossing the road.
[02:36] <Azelphur> Does anyone know how to force an upgrade on a package to a version available in a newer ubuntu release?
[02:37] <Azelphur> also, does anyone know what to do in order to point out that the version of the application in the repo is actually, 100% broken and needs to be updated
[05:13] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Calling All Twisted Daemon Experts - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/02/25/calling-all-twisted-daemon-experts/
[05:58] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: use a backport, or add the new ubuntu version to sources.list and pin it (apt pinning is your google keyword here), then apt-get install pkg=version
[05:58] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: and "file a bug"
[10:33] <jacobw> morning ubunteros
[10:33] <AlanBell> morning
[10:38] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:39] <dwatkins> hiya folks
[10:40] <brobostigon> hi dwatkins
[10:40] <dwatkins> I forgot to log in to my Ubuntu machine, that makes using x11vnc a little difficult...
[10:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: ping
[10:48] <KrimZon> I once set up xrdp on a machine to remote into it - it would create a new x session for each login
[11:03] <daubers> Morning
[11:13] <AlanBell> anyone got a Samsung Galaxy Y (or other budget smartphone suggestion)
[11:14] <directhex> how budget is budget?
[11:14] <AlanBell> £15/month preferably free handset
[11:16] <directhex> various low-end galaxies exist at that price point
[11:17] <directhex> acer liquid express from orange?
[11:19] <directhex> or from tmobile with moare data
[11:19] <directhex> xperia neo v? htc wildfire s?
[11:20] <directhex> couple of LGs from O2 at that rate, or a refurb galaxy s2 for £60
[11:23] <AlanBell> thanks
[11:23] <AlanBell> where is the refurb s2?
[11:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: Wifey has the Galaxy Ace and is happy with it.
[11:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> Got it from CPW
[11:29] <AlanBell> that is a possibility
[11:29] <AlanBell> http://shop.o2.co.uk/mobile_phone/pay_monthly/24_months/100MB/BlackBerry/Torch%209860 this looks like a good deal. Not Android, but quite cheap for a decent phone I think
[11:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> anyone got a init script to start/stop a minecraft server? Am trying this one but it aint working and no logs: https://github.com/Ahtenus/minecraft-init
[11:37] <jacobw> obvious question, doesn't minecraft-server provide its own init scripts?
[11:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> jacobw: if it did do you not think I would have tried it?
[11:39] <jacobw> i'm just kind of suprised it dosen't
[11:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> it's just a jar
[11:40] <jacobw> i realise that might be annoying ;)
[11:41] <jacobw> i can't see any logging stuff in the code
[11:43] <jacobw> have you done all this stuff https://github.com/Ahtenus/minecraft-init/blob/master/readme.markdown
[12:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> found a different script that seems to work: https://github.com/ajoberstar/minecraft-init
[12:00] <jacobw> awesome :)
[12:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> My son is now a happy chap.
[12:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> Anyone know any friendly Swedes who could spare my wife an hr? (or even a Norwegian might do it? eh christel_ ;-) ) https://twitter.com/#!/opensourcerer/status/173380412868001792
[12:27] <jacobw> translation?
[12:29] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: drop her a mail her mum is visiting so she's not on irc
[12:59] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: pong
[13:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hi popey Was going to ask about minecraft servers and OpenJDK but it seems to be running fine :-) I have a happy son whose is sending out an IP address to his mates.
[13:20] <popey> excellent
[14:30] <daubers> Urgh, covered in roof tile dust now
[14:32] <cliftonts> what are you up to daubers?
[14:32] <daubers> cliftonts: Running cables through the roof at the hackspace
[14:32] <cliftonts> aah right
[14:32] <daubers> And screaming at the router
[14:32] <daubers> no-one seems to have the password for it :)
[14:33] <cliftonts> lol
[14:37] <cliftonts> daubers: well the Tottenham Court Road computer fair is DEAD today!
[14:58]  * daubers closes up the hackspace
[17:09] <AlanBell> afternoon all
[17:09]  * AlanBell has been out hat shopping
[17:18] <MartijnVdS> Top hat? Bowler hat?
[17:18] <brobostigon> deer stalker?
[17:18] <penguin42> thing with bells
[17:18] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: one of those jester hats you mean? :)
[17:18] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Yeh
[17:19]  * penguin42 hopes AlanBell hasn't been buying a Fedora
[17:19] <MartijnVdS> Maybe a cowboy hat
[17:19] <MartijnVdS> or a sombrero
[17:19] <AlanBell> http://www.orvis.co.uk/store/product.aspx?pf_id=7910&dir_id=466&group_id=10625&cat_id=11585&subcat_id=11586
[17:22] <AlanBell> mine is black which isn't shown on the website
[17:23] <penguin42> Gah! He has bought a Fedora!
[17:23] <AlanBell> it isn't red
[17:23] <penguin42> true
[17:24] <AlanBell> they didn't have one in #dd4814
[17:26] <penguin42> that would be pretty special
[17:30] <brobostigon> wales 12 : 12 eng.
[17:35] <AlanBell> czajkowski: what train are you getting to Reading?
[17:37] <brobostigon> wales 19 : 12 eng. wales are doing pretty well, really.
[17:41] <czajkowski> AlanBell: aiming to be there for 12:30
[17:42] <czajkowski> how about you
[17:42] <MartijnVdS> Heh, Picasa's face detector + pictures from a family reunion = confusion all around
[17:42] <MartijnVdS> it's tagging 2 aunts as 1 person, and 3 nieces as 1 person :)
[17:43] <gordonjcp> hehe
[17:46] <brobostigon> lol
[17:46] <MartijnVdS> Well they do look alike (as they're family), but still.. :)
[17:47] <AlanBell> czajkowski: well I have car so can do any time really, I can meet you at the station perhaps
[17:48] <AlanBell> I will be the one in a hat
[17:49] <czajkowski> sure
[17:50] <czajkowski> dont know where the train staion is in relation to the stadium?
[17:50] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: Check google maps ;)
[17:52] <czajkowski> MartijnVdS: you dont say ;)
[17:52] <czajkowski> was more of a passing comment
[17:52] <MartijnVdS> :)
[17:52] <AlanBell> more than a walk
[17:52] <MartijnVdS> Wonder of our age, that
[17:52] <AlanBell> there are probably buses or some kind of organised way to get there, but I have a car and free parking
[17:55] <AlanBell> though last time czajkowski got in my car I had to scrap it the next day
[17:56] <gordonjcp> o_O
[17:58] <czajkowski> AlanBell: hah forgot about that
[17:59] <gordonjcp> sounds like a story worth the telling...
[18:01]  * daubers makes cake
[18:03] <christel> mmmcake
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> \o/ cake
[18:03] <penguin42> typeof(cake) ?
[18:04] <MartijnVdS> sizeof(cake) ?
[18:05] <daubers> typeof(cake) = victoria_sponge; sizeof(cake)=20cm;
[18:05] <daubers> or should that be (cm) 20
[18:05] <daubers> Hmmm...
[18:05] <penguin42> cake.jam=strawberry ?
[18:06] <gordonjcp> cake.jam = bramble
[18:06] <daubers> strawberry \o/
[18:06] <penguin42> daubers: Yeh!
[18:07] <daubers> coops finest :)
[18:07]  * penguin42 wonders if cake[0] is the top or bottom cake - but I guess there could be wars about that
[18:08] <dwatkins_> cake wars
[18:08] <daubers> I love the smell of baking in the evening, smells like victory.
[18:09] <penguin42> well, going to bed on a slice of victoria sponge with the smell of warm cake must make for nice dreams
[18:10] <dwatkins> gooey dreams
[18:12] <brobostigon> !info chromium-browser precise
[18:48] <ali1234> has anyone seen this 7 page article about raspberry pi in linux format?
[18:48] <ali1234> i'm wondering how they stretched it out to 7 pages
[18:48] <ali1234> i mean that's about 50% of the magazine
[18:50] <Azelphur> because it's the raspberry pi, it should time travel and take every page of every linux format magazine ever.
[18:50] <Azelphur> \o/
[19:16] <jacobw> evening
[19:18] <daubers> o/
[19:24] <jacobw> how is precise right now?
[19:26] <AlanBell> rather fine
[19:27]  * jacobw checks schedule
[19:29]  * daubers puts the kettle on, loads up episode one of BSG and get's his warhammer paints out
[19:31] <penguin42> jacobw: Kprecise isn't too bad - chromium is being a bit touchy for me, other than that all good
[19:32] <jacobw> kubuntu?
[19:32] <jacobw> i've given up on kde after a few years of advocacy and a few more years of waiting for 4.x to reach the standard of 3.5
[19:36] <jacobw> i don't care enough about gui things aren't web based anymore
[19:39] <penguin42> jacobw: Yeh, I found I prefered current 4.x to the way Gnome was going
[19:41] <jacobw> penguin42: i'm in the small cross section of people who like both unity and gnome3
[19:42] <penguin42> each to our own hey
[19:42] <jacobw> :)
[19:42] <jacobw> things that run in the terminal or the browser > other things
[22:39] <dogmatic69> adobe dropped linux for adobe air
[22:39] <dogmatic69> they suck
[22:40] <zleap> that means bbc iplayer may stop working,
[22:40] <zleap> are they under some sort of pressure to do this
[22:41] <brobostigon> bbc iplayer requires only flash that i know of, i dont have adobe air here, and iplayer works fine.
[22:42] <zleap> ah
[22:43] <zleap> why drop support for linux,  creating the software can't be that much different to creating the software for OSX
[22:43] <brobostigon> both are in a way unix, but there are alot of differences.
[22:43] <zleap> ok
[22:45] <brobostigon> i would say, everything in osx above basic darwin is different, but i think they even adapt and change that.from the published OSS darwin.
[22:45] <zleap> ok
[22:46] <brobostigon> but they certainly used darwin as a basis, but everything above that, i would say is different.
[22:46] <zleap> hmm,  they could reverse that policy if the raspberry PI takes off adn can use adobe air properly
[22:47] <brobostigon> i dont think there is even the basic gnu toolset, in osx.
[22:48] <zleap> ah
[22:48] <zleap> its bsd based isn't it
[22:48] <zleap> so not gpl license
[22:49] <brobostigon> it must have dd though, as the basic osx haiku liveusb creation instructions mention dd being there.
[22:49] <brobostigon> zleap: darwin is based on nextstep, therefore bsd, yes.
[22:50] <zleap> ah,  nextstep being the front end
[22:50] <brobostigon> in part, in darwin also,
[22:50] <zleap> i need to read up on OSX for this computer group,  youth service place uses macs
[22:50] <brobostigon> ah.
[22:51] <dogmatic69> I thought the whole point of air was to be platform independent apps
[22:51] <dogmatic69> so much for that
[22:51] <zleap> yeah
[22:51] <zleap> mind you won't html5 do away with all this flash stuff too
[22:51] <dogmatic69> adobe and everything they make can just go jump off a cliff
[22:51] <dogmatic69> flash is dead, html5 has replaced it
[22:51] <zleap> exactly
[22:52] <dogmatic69> air was slightly different, still bloated though
[23:07] <Azelphur> I'm not that great at apache configs, can anyone take a look at this and tell me how I might move it to be on a subdomain? http://collabedit.com/d6u87
[23:07] <Azelphur> like, instead of being active only on /munin, I want to put it on munin.azelphur.com
[23:17] <shaneo1> Does anyone else have sound from their speakers when headphones are plugged in
[23:17] <Azelphur> shaneo1: it's a "common" thing that happens, but it's hardware specific to fix it.
[23:18] <shaneo1> I have realtek hardware built in my laptop,
[23:18] <Azelphur> shaneo1: the only advice I can really give is google the hardware, see if you can find any answers on ubuntuforums or askubuntu, Upgrading alsa may also help
[23:19] <shaneo1> I am running the latest alsa on 12.04
[23:19] <Azelphur> did it happen on 11.10?
[23:19] <shaneo1> no
[23:19] <Azelphur> file a bug
[23:19] <shaneo1> ok thanks