[00:00] http://askubuntu.com/questions/107442/orca-screen-reader/107473#107473 yay I did a thing on askubuntu to correct some fantasically crap advice that someone was given there [00:02] i've only one experience with ask ubuntu, and that is that i have an rss feed from it in my google homepage. whenever i see a question i can answer i go there to find someone else has done a good job of answering it anyway. === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [00:11] * popey votes AlanBell up [00:12] somehow I have a reputation of 137, without actually thinking I use askubuntu at all [00:14] AlanBell: You sure your chickens aren't doing stuff while you're out? [00:14] that is probably it [00:14] They're probably crossing the road. [02:36] Does anyone know how to force an upgrade on a package to a version available in a newer ubuntu release? [02:37] also, does anyone know what to do in order to point out that the version of the application in the repo is actually, 100% broken and needs to be updated [05:13] [Jono Bacon] Calling All Twisted Daemon Experts - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/02/25/calling-all-twisted-daemon-experts/ [05:58] Azelphur: use a backport, or add the new ubuntu version to sources.list and pin it (apt pinning is your google keyword here), then apt-get install pkg=version [05:58] Azelphur: and "file a bug" === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [10:33] morning ubunteros [10:33] morning [10:38] good morning everyone, [10:39] hiya folks [10:40] hi dwatkins [10:40] I forgot to log in to my Ubuntu machine, that makes using x11vnc a little difficult... [10:45] popey: ping [10:48] I once set up xrdp on a machine to remote into it - it would create a new x session for each login [11:03] Morning [11:13] anyone got a Samsung Galaxy Y (or other budget smartphone suggestion) [11:14] how budget is budget? [11:14] £15/month preferably free handset [11:16] various low-end galaxies exist at that price point [11:17] acer liquid express from orange? [11:19] or from tmobile with moare data [11:19] xperia neo v? htc wildfire s? [11:20] couple of LGs from O2 at that rate, or a refurb galaxy s2 for £60 [11:23] thanks [11:23] where is the refurb s2? [11:29] AlanBell: Wifey has the Galaxy Ace and is happy with it. [11:29] Got it from CPW [11:29] that is a possibility [11:29] http://shop.o2.co.uk/mobile_phone/pay_monthly/24_months/100MB/BlackBerry/Torch%209860 this looks like a good deal. Not Android, but quite cheap for a decent phone I think [11:36] anyone got a init script to start/stop a minecraft server? Am trying this one but it aint working and no logs: https://github.com/Ahtenus/minecraft-init [11:37] obvious question, doesn't minecraft-server provide its own init scripts? [11:37] jacobw: if it did do you not think I would have tried it? [11:39] i'm just kind of suprised it dosen't [11:40] it's just a jar [11:40] i realise that might be annoying ;) [11:41] i can't see any logging stuff in the code [11:43] have you done all this stuff https://github.com/Ahtenus/minecraft-init/blob/master/readme.markdown [12:00] found a different script that seems to work: https://github.com/ajoberstar/minecraft-init [12:00] awesome :) [12:01] My son is now a happy chap. [12:16] Anyone know any friendly Swedes who could spare my wife an hr? (or even a Norwegian might do it? eh christel_ ;-) ) https://twitter.com/#!/opensourcerer/status/173380412868001792 [12:27] translation? [12:29] TheOpenSourcerer: drop her a mail her mum is visiting so she's not on irc [12:59] TheOpenSourcerer: pong [13:18] Hi popey Was going to ask about minecraft servers and OpenJDK but it seems to be running fine :-) I have a happy son whose is sending out an IP address to his mates. === Pendulum_ is now known as Pendulum [13:20] excellent [14:30] Urgh, covered in roof tile dust now [14:32] what are you up to daubers? [14:32] cliftonts: Running cables through the roof at the hackspace [14:32] aah right [14:32] And screaming at the router [14:32] no-one seems to have the password for it :) [14:33] lol [14:37] daubers: well the Tottenham Court Road computer fair is DEAD today! [14:58] * daubers closes up the hackspace [17:09] afternoon all [17:09] * AlanBell has been out hat shopping [17:18] Top hat? Bowler hat? [17:18] deer stalker? [17:18] thing with bells [17:18] penguin42: one of those jester hats you mean? :) [17:18] MartijnVdS: Yeh [17:19] * penguin42 hopes AlanBell hasn't been buying a Fedora [17:19] Maybe a cowboy hat [17:19] or a sombrero [17:19] http://www.orvis.co.uk/store/product.aspx?pf_id=7910&dir_id=466&group_id=10625&cat_id=11585&subcat_id=11586 [17:22] mine is black which isn't shown on the website [17:23] Gah! He has bought a Fedora! [17:23] it isn't red [17:23] true [17:24] they didn't have one in #dd4814 [17:26] that would be pretty special [17:30] wales 12 : 12 eng. [17:35] czajkowski: what train are you getting to Reading? [17:37] wales 19 : 12 eng. wales are doing pretty well, really. [17:41] AlanBell: aiming to be there for 12:30 [17:42] how about you [17:42] Heh, Picasa's face detector + pictures from a family reunion = confusion all around [17:42] it's tagging 2 aunts as 1 person, and 3 nieces as 1 person :) [17:43] hehe [17:46] lol [17:46] Well they do look alike (as they're family), but still.. :) [17:47] czajkowski: well I have car so can do any time really, I can meet you at the station perhaps [17:48] I will be the one in a hat [17:49] sure [17:50] dont know where the train staion is in relation to the stadium? [17:50] czajkowski: Check google maps ;) [17:52] MartijnVdS: you dont say ;) [17:52] was more of a passing comment [17:52] :) [17:52] more than a walk [17:52] Wonder of our age, that [17:52] there are probably buses or some kind of organised way to get there, but I have a car and free parking [17:55] though last time czajkowski got in my car I had to scrap it the next day [17:56] o_O [17:58] AlanBell: hah forgot about that [17:59] sounds like a story worth the telling... === christel_ is now known as christel [18:01] * daubers makes cake [18:03] mmmcake [18:03] \o/ cake [18:03] typeof(cake) ? [18:04] sizeof(cake) ? [18:05] typeof(cake) = victoria_sponge; sizeof(cake)=20cm; [18:05] or should that be (cm) 20 [18:05] Hmmm... [18:05] cake.jam=strawberry ? [18:06] cake.jam = bramble [18:06] strawberry \o/ [18:06] daubers: Yeh! [18:07] coops finest :) [18:07] * penguin42 wonders if cake[0] is the top or bottom cake - but I guess there could be wars about that [18:08] cake wars === dwatkins_ is now known as dwatkins [18:08] I love the smell of baking in the evening, smells like victory. [18:09] well, going to bed on a slice of victoria sponge with the smell of warm cake must make for nice dreams [18:10] gooey dreams [18:12] !info chromium-browser precise [18:12] chromium-browser (source: chromium-browser): Chromium browser. In component universe, is optional. Version 17.0.963.56~r121963-0ubuntu3 (precise), package size 19705 kB, installed size 72030 kB (Only available for any all) [18:48] has anyone seen this 7 page article about raspberry pi in linux format? [18:48] i'm wondering how they stretched it out to 7 pages [18:48] i mean that's about 50% of the magazine [18:50] because it's the raspberry pi, it should time travel and take every page of every linux format magazine ever. [18:50] \o/ [19:16] evening [19:18] o/ [19:24] how is precise right now? [19:26] rather fine [19:27] * jacobw checks schedule [19:29] * daubers puts the kettle on, loads up episode one of BSG and get's his warhammer paints out [19:31] jacobw: Kprecise isn't too bad - chromium is being a bit touchy for me, other than that all good [19:32] kubuntu? [19:32] i've given up on kde after a few years of advocacy and a few more years of waiting for 4.x to reach the standard of 3.5 [19:36] i don't care enough about gui things aren't web based anymore [19:39] jacobw: Yeh, I found I prefered current 4.x to the way Gnome was going [19:41] penguin42: i'm in the small cross section of people who like both unity and gnome3 [19:42] each to our own hey [19:42] :) [19:42] things that run in the terminal or the browser > other things [22:39] adobe dropped linux for adobe air [22:39] they suck [22:40] that means bbc iplayer may stop working, [22:40] are they under some sort of pressure to do this [22:41] bbc iplayer requires only flash that i know of, i dont have adobe air here, and iplayer works fine. [22:42] ah [22:43] why drop support for linux, creating the software can't be that much different to creating the software for OSX [22:43] both are in a way unix, but there are alot of differences. [22:43] ok [22:45] i would say, everything in osx above basic darwin is different, but i think they even adapt and change that.from the published OSS darwin. [22:45] ok [22:46] but they certainly used darwin as a basis, but everything above that, i would say is different. [22:46] hmm, they could reverse that policy if the raspberry PI takes off adn can use adobe air properly [22:47] i dont think there is even the basic gnu toolset, in osx. [22:48] ah [22:48] its bsd based isn't it [22:48] so not gpl license [22:49] it must have dd though, as the basic osx haiku liveusb creation instructions mention dd being there. [22:49] zleap: darwin is based on nextstep, therefore bsd, yes. [22:50] ah, nextstep being the front end [22:50] in part, in darwin also, [22:50] i need to read up on OSX for this computer group, youth service place uses macs [22:50] ah. [22:51] I thought the whole point of air was to be platform independent apps [22:51] so much for that [22:51] yeah [22:51] mind you won't html5 do away with all this flash stuff too [22:51] adobe and everything they make can just go jump off a cliff [22:51] flash is dead, html5 has replaced it [22:51] exactly [22:52] air was slightly different, still bloated though [23:07] I'm not that great at apache configs, can anyone take a look at this and tell me how I might move it to be on a subdomain? http://collabedit.com/d6u87 [23:07] like, instead of being active only on /munin, I want to put it on munin.azelphur.com [23:17] Does anyone else have sound from their speakers when headphones are plugged in [23:17] shaneo1: it's a "common" thing that happens, but it's hardware specific to fix it. [23:18] I have realtek hardware built in my laptop, [23:18] shaneo1: the only advice I can really give is google the hardware, see if you can find any answers on ubuntuforums or askubuntu, Upgrading alsa may also help [23:19] I am running the latest alsa on 12.04 [23:19] did it happen on 11.10? [23:19] no [23:19] file a bug [23:19] ok thanks