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| Guest21943 | hey I was wondering if I could obtain the latest alpha/beta of precise for installation so that I could help test, as I am going to re-install anway. is that possible? | 15:02 |
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| jussi | bah. 8 mins. missed them | 15:12 |
| Len2 | I was just looking at https://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/OfficialOneiric | 17:19 |
| Len2 | At the bottom it mentions this thing called "AWN" | 17:20 |
| Len2 | Huh? Can people not just write it out instead of some letters? what does that mean? it just looks like a panel to me. | 17:20 |
| len | Anyway, are we still pursuing an "AWN only" concept? or are we just looking at getting xfce working for us right now and see where things are going. | 17:23 |
| len | If AWN is a program, and we are still thinking going that way some time later... is there a ref I can go to to find out more? | 17:25 |
| len | Sorry for the switch of logins... that was where I happened to have the browser up. | 17:25 |
| holstein | hehe...http://awn-project.org/ seems dead | 17:25 |
| len | Right... Thanks for the answer. | 17:26 |
| holstein | when i used AWN, it required 3d | 17:26 |
| holstein | +, i just personally hate the dock thing | 17:26 |
| holstein | i feel like it would compromise stability for a slick look that most folks probably wont appreciate in the end | 17:27 |
| holstein | seems like there was a lot of talk about the look and feel of ubuntustudio not too long ago | 17:30 |
| holstein | and i personally think that was the strongest thing it had going fo it | 17:30 |
| holstein | for* | 17:30 |
| holstein | it felt so modern... and zen almost | 17:30 |
| holstein | anyways... ill get behind whatever we can make happen! | 17:31 |
| holstein | im just saying.. i dont see anyone wishing they had a dock | 17:31 |
| holstein | but, it looks slick, and any little thing we could do drastic like that would really set us apart from main ubuntu and xubuntu | 17:32 |
| holstein | not that we need to detract users from either place, but if we are providing a whole different experience, i can see that as a benefit | 17:32 |
| holstein | even if that experience is far from what i want, and something that im going to nix right out of the box | 17:32 |
| len | holstein, I was thinking I could make a dock/menu/panel thingy that has buttons like that... | 17:43 |
| len | each button would be a selection of apps for a type of work.. sort of megga workflows | 17:44 |
| holstein | len: i bet you can :) | 17:44 |
| len | in other words each button might represent a few related workflows. | 17:44 |
| len | when the button is pressed the whole thing is replaced by a set of buttons that go to apps for the super workflow. | 17:45 |
| holstein | sounds similar to what ScottL was talking about | 17:45 |
| len | holstein does that make sense? | 17:45 |
| holstein | i think there are some mock-ups? | 17:45 |
| holstein | maybe just text on it | 17:46 |
| len | I would do it in tk/tcl... because I think it will be around forever. and even if the version changes the scripting will still work for old apps. | 17:46 |
| len | Text would be real easy. Icons would take more time as they are new to me. | 17:46 |
| len | I think I could make it configurable without having to recode... | 17:48 |
| len | holstein I am thinking however that this would be 12.11 ish stuff. | 17:48 |
| holstein | len: cool! | 17:48 |
| holstein | i like the idea for sur | 17:48 |
| holstein | e | 17:48 |
| len | I am also (slowly) working on "TikTOC" to replace gcdmaster. I am not at all happy with what ardour puts out. | 17:49 |
| len | holstein, do you know how to put toc files out in ardour3? I can find it in ardour 2 but not 3 | 17:50 |
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| holstein | len: nah... i havent used it enough | 18:04 |
| holstein | lsd over in #opensourcemusicians would know | 18:04 |
| holstein | or las in #ardour | 18:04 |
| ScottL | len, len-nb , when we work on the menu i would encourage you to use a bzr branch owned by you under your launchpad account, this will make merging the code together much easier | 18:18 |
| len-nb | ScottL i can't do much for the next few hours but when I get back I will see how to do that | 18:19 |
| ScottL | no rush, i still need to get micahg some information about the recent set of change, but i would like to knock the menu change before the end of the coming week | 18:20 |
| ScottL | even if it isn't "perfect", we still have made progress and can tweak it later | 18:20 |
| ScottL | i heard a really good saying that i'm trying to embrace; "don't let perfect stand in the way of better" | 18:20 |
| ScottL | reading the backscroll reminds me of something... | 18:21 |
| ScottL | i had thought about a package for ubuntu studio that would be "helpful" for the user | 18:21 |
| ScottL | it might be an "extras" package or similar | 18:21 |
| ScottL | it might set up some directory structures for users to help organize audio or video projects | 18:21 |
| ScottL | it might even have the awn dock in it with work flows | 18:21 |
| ScottL | just something that i thought about one day | 18:22 |
| ScottL | but i don't know that i'll want to put too much effort into docks or panels for work flows right now | 18:22 |
| ScottL | two reasons for this... | 18:22 |
| ScottL | first we need to finish the work flows and document them in the wiki better (along general work flow) | 18:22 |
| ScottL | second, i would like in the next two or three cycles *really* see about making work flows more transparent to users | 18:23 |
| ScottL | this might be through gladish for audio | 18:23 |
| ScottL | or even scripts ala ralph on the mailing list for audio | 18:23 |
| ScottL | but the point would be to make it easier to start or restart an audio (this automation might include video, graphical, or photography work flows too) project | 18:24 |
| ScottL | but we can flesh this out later, right now we need to get through this cycle | 18:24 |
| ScottL | and probably a few things will not get done this cycle and will slide into next cycle | 18:25 |
| ScottL | and i hope next cycle we can refine the UI , theme, etc but mainly focus on work flows and documentation | 18:25 |
| jussi | ScottL: ping? | 21:37 |
| ScottL | jussi, pong | 22:13 |
| knome | ScottL, dong | 22:15 |
| ScottL | knome, ding | 22:30 |
| knome | ScottL, any chancee of getting the cards to printer yet? | 22:34 |
| astraljava | ScottL: jussi is in Barcelona, most likely partying hard right now (Saturday evening, after all). :D | 22:35 |
| knome | ohai astraljava | 22:36 |
| astraljava | o/ | 22:36 |
| knome | meh. | 22:39 |
| knome | i'm getting sub-60% wlan signal here at the floor on front of the living room window | 22:39 |
| knome | don't ask why i | 22:39 |
| knome | 'm here. | 22:39 |
| knome | and, damn eeepc keyboard | 22:39 |
| * knome just set up pidgin on eeepc :) | 22:40 | |
| astraljava | A real one? | 22:42 |
| knome | hah. not really. but i do have a bag which has the text PIGEON in it | 22:43 |
| len-nb | knome, I feel lucky if I get 50%... the ap is downstairs. | 23:07 |
| knome | len-nb, i'm about 3 meters away from the ap, no walls between | 23:08 |
| knome | well, maybe 4m | 23:09 |
| len-nb | Ouch! Mine is an old wap11 | 23:09 |
| len-nb | in b mode | 23:09 |
| knome | linksys wrt54gs here | 23:10 |
| knome | though it must be the eeepc that sucks | 23:10 |
| len-nb | Netbook? | 23:10 |
| len-nb | No drive deal | 23:11 |
| len-nb | I'm trying to remember what I have heard about them... not sure | 23:11 |
| knome | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asus_Eee_PC#Eee_700_series | 23:12 |
| len-nb | Thanks. | 23:12 |
| knome | i have the 4G, one of the first | 23:12 |
| knome | 4G meaning it has 4G drive space, not 4G mem | 23:12 |
| knome | ... | 23:12 |
| knome | but i'm not really complaining. | 23:14 |
| knome | this is fine | 23:15 |
| knome | i couldn | 23:15 |
| knome | 't even afford another one. | 23:15 |
| knome | not in the money sense, but in the sense i'd just play with it all day long | 23:15 |
| knome | and i don't really need another yet, so... | 23:15 |
| len-nb | Ja, that was the one I thought it was. | 23:17 |
| knome | mm-hmm | 23:17 |
| * knome should be sleeping now too. but i'm stuck playing gnomine on this damn eeepc :) | 23:18 | |
| len-nb | I have installed Ustudio on a 16G usb stick ok, but it took up about 4G, so not much room for playing with. | 23:18 |
| knome | 4G is tight. but it's manageable. i run xubuntu, but i removed a lot of software at install time | 23:19 |
| knome | i have about 800M free | 23:19 |
| len-nb | I kind of wonder what the advantage is, the cheaper aspire I have has a drive in the same space. | 23:19 |
| len-nb | Does it have better battery time | 23:20 |
| knome | well, it's not too good | 23:20 |
| knome | but remind you, this *is* one of the first really small ones | 23:20 |
| len-nb | I don't know that I could use a keyboard much smaller... and not having a KB is what turned me away from the pads | 23:21 |
| knome | well, tbh this keyboard is a bit small for me | 23:22 |
| knome | but you get used to it | 23:22 |
| knome | and i'm not writing novels with this | 23:22 |
| knome | and i have a pretty decent writing speed too, i think | 23:22 |
| len-nb | So I have found... this one has become my main use computer | 23:22 |
| knome | :) | 23:22 |
| knome | i just have to prefer my desktop :) | 23:23 |
| len-nb | My desktop is downstairs... we don't heat downstairs. | 23:23 |
| len-nb | But my desktop has a nice soundcard. | 23:23 |
| ScottL | knome, sorry haven't really tried any printers yet | 23:24 |
| knome | mine too, but old | 23:24 |
| knome | ScottL, np :) | 23:24 |
| ScottL | just been busy, work especially, did 55 hours last week, probably more this week :( | 23:25 |
| len-nb | ScottL: Do you want me to setup the menu as I have it, or change over to one config file first? | 23:25 |
| knome | len-nb, but my desktop has two 24" monitors which handle the heating... | 23:26 |
| len-nb | What I have works fine. | 23:26 |
| knome | ScottL, too bad :( | 23:26 |
| ScottL | len-nb, let's get one config file working first, if you don't mind....we'll start KISS | 23:26 |
| len-nb | Knome, I just have an lcd thing, doesn't even put out as much heat as the cpu. | 23:27 |
| knome | len-nb, :) | 23:27 |
| ScottL | i trust everyone knows that acronym | 23:27 |
| knome | ScottL, did you mean: "that band" | 23:27 |
| knome | ;]= | 23:27 |
| len-nb | ScottL, Ok, I will do that. I will have to touch a few different things to do that though. | 23:28 |
| len-nb | I am assuming I would put it in /etc/xdg/xdg-ubuntustudio? | 23:28 |
| len-nb | Actually /etc/xdg/xdg-ubuntustudio/menus | 23:30 |
| ScottL | len-nb, i'm not exactly sure, but you might look at xubuntu-default-settings as a template, but i do think that is right | 23:32 |
| len-nb | Yes that is where I got the idea from | 23:33 |
| len-nb | ScottL there is a small startup script that sets the path to the menustuff we have in /usr/share that will have to be removed. | 23:34 |
| len-nb | I'm going to reboot and play... | 23:35 |
| ScottL | len-nb, is the script in the xubuntu stuff or from our original menu? | 23:35 |
| knome | ScottL, so you're *really* ripping us off, aren't you?? | 23:36 |
| knome | ;) | 23:36 |
| len-nb | just for ours, Xubuntu doesn't anything like it. | 23:36 |
| ScottL | len-nb, i thought so, i'm not sure that is needed anymore, especially if we are using the xubuntu (i.e. the proper) model for menus | 23:36 |
| len-nb | knome, not really, just using xubuntu as a lesson in using xfce right | 23:36 |
| ScottL | knome, i am afraid so | 23:37 |
| ScottL | len-nb, well, i've used their stuff a LOT during all my changes | 23:37 |
| len-nb | Ja, but like I say, they have the best xfce model in town. | 23:37 |
| len-nb | ScottL, do you want me to set up panels while we are at it? (mainly I mean get rid of it ;-) ) | 23:39 |
| len-nb | Back in a minute... | 23:39 |
| CFHowlett | Will the US 12.04 beta be available next week? Couldn't seem to find an official US release calendar... | 23:45 |
| knome | ScottL, i'm just kidding :) | 23:46 |
| ScottL | CFHowlett, we follow the same as ubuntu | 23:47 |
| CFHowlett | ScottL thanks for the confirmation. Looking forward to testing the new build! | 23:48 |
| knome | Len-1204, thanks for the compliments ;) | 23:48 |
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