[15:02] <Guest21943> hey I was wondering if I could obtain the latest alpha/beta of precise for installation so that I could help test, as I am going to re-install anway.  is that possible?
[15:12] <jussi> bah. 8 mins. missed them
[17:19] <Len2> I was just looking at https://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/OfficialOneiric
[17:20] <Len2> At the bottom it mentions this thing called "AWN"
[17:20] <Len2> Huh? Can people not just write it out instead of some letters? what does that mean? it just looks like a panel to me.
[17:23] <len> Anyway, are we still pursuing an "AWN only" concept? or are we just looking at getting xfce working for us right now and see where things are going.
[17:25] <len> If AWN is a program, and we are still thinking going that way some time later... is there a ref I can go to to find out more?
[17:25] <len> Sorry for the switch of logins... that was where I happened to have the browser up.
[17:25] <holstein> hehe...http://awn-project.org/ seems dead
[17:26] <len> Right... Thanks for the answer.
[17:26] <holstein> when i used AWN, it required 3d
[17:26] <holstein> +, i just personally hate the dock thing
[17:27] <holstein> i feel like it would compromise stability for a slick look that most folks probably wont appreciate in the end
[17:30] <holstein> seems like there was a lot of talk about the look and feel of ubuntustudio not too long ago
[17:30] <holstein> and i personally think that was the strongest thing it had going fo it
[17:30] <holstein> for*
[17:30] <holstein> it felt so modern... and zen almost
[17:31] <holstein> anyways... ill get behind whatever we can make happen!
[17:31] <holstein> im just saying.. i dont see anyone wishing they had a dock
[17:32] <holstein> but, it looks slick, and any little thing we could do drastic like that would really set us apart from main ubuntu and xubuntu
[17:32] <holstein> not that we need to detract users from either place, but if we are providing a whole different experience, i can see that as a benefit
[17:32] <holstein> even if that experience is far from what i want, and something that im going to nix right out of the box
[17:43] <len> holstein, I was thinking I could make a dock/menu/panel thingy that has buttons like that... 
[17:44] <len> each button would be a selection of apps for a type of work.. sort of megga workflows
[17:44] <holstein> len: i bet you can :)
[17:44] <len> in other words each button might represent a few related workflows.
[17:45] <len> when the button is pressed the whole thing is replaced by a set of buttons that go to apps for the super workflow.
[17:45] <holstein> sounds similar to what ScottL was talking about
[17:45] <len> holstein does that make sense?
[17:45] <holstein> i think there are some mock-ups?
[17:46] <holstein> maybe just text on it
[17:46] <len> I would do it in tk/tcl... because I think it will be around forever. and even if the version changes the scripting will still work for old apps.
[17:46] <len> Text would be real easy. Icons would take more time as they are new to me.
[17:48] <len> I think I could make it configurable without having to recode...
[17:48] <len> holstein I am thinking however that this would be 12.11 ish stuff.
[17:48] <holstein> len: cool!
[17:48] <holstein> i like the idea for sur
[17:48] <holstein> e
[17:49] <len> I am also (slowly) working on "TikTOC" to replace gcdmaster. I am not at all happy with what ardour puts out.
[17:50] <len> holstein, do you know how to put toc files out in ardour3? I can find it in ardour 2 but not 3
[18:04] <holstein> len: nah... i havent used it enough
[18:04] <holstein> lsd over in #opensourcemusicians would know
[18:04] <holstein> or las in #ardour
[18:18] <ScottL> len, len-nb , when we work on the menu i would encourage you to use a bzr branch owned by you under your launchpad account, this will make merging the code together much easier
[18:19] <len-nb> ScottL i can't do much for the next few hours but when I get back I will see how to do that
[18:20] <ScottL> no rush, i still need to get micahg some information about the recent set of change, but i would like to knock the menu change before the end of the coming week
[18:20] <ScottL> even if it isn't "perfect", we still have made progress and can tweak it later
[18:20] <ScottL> i heard a really good saying that i'm trying to embrace; "don't let perfect stand in the way of better"
[18:21] <ScottL> reading the backscroll reminds me of something...
[18:21] <ScottL> i had thought about a package for ubuntu studio that would be "helpful" for the user
[18:21] <ScottL> it might be an "extras" package or similar
[18:21] <ScottL> it might set up some directory structures for users to help organize audio or video projects
[18:21] <ScottL> it might even have the awn dock in it with work flows
[18:22] <ScottL> just something that i thought about one day
[18:22] <ScottL> but i don't know that i'll want to put too much effort into docks or panels for work flows right now
[18:22] <ScottL> two reasons for this...
[18:22] <ScottL> first we need to finish the work flows and document them in the wiki better (along general work flow)
[18:23] <ScottL> second, i would like in the next two or three cycles *really* see about making work flows more transparent to users
[18:23] <ScottL> this might be through gladish for audio
[18:23] <ScottL> or even scripts ala ralph on the mailing list for audio
[18:24] <ScottL> but the point would be to make it easier to start or restart an audio (this automation might include video, graphical, or photography work flows too) project
[18:24] <ScottL> but we can flesh this out later, right now we need to get through this cycle
[18:25] <ScottL> and probably a few things will not get done this cycle and will slide into next cycle
[18:25] <ScottL> and i hope next cycle we can refine the UI , theme, etc but mainly focus on work flows and documentation
[21:37] <jussi> ScottL: ping?
[22:13] <ScottL> jussi, pong
[22:15] <knome> ScottL, dong
[22:30] <ScottL> knome, ding
[22:34] <knome> ScottL, any chancee of getting the cards to printer yet?
[22:35] <astraljava> ScottL: jussi is in Barcelona, most likely partying hard right now (Saturday evening, after all). :D
[22:36] <knome> ohai astraljava 
[22:36] <astraljava> o/
[22:39] <knome> meh.
[22:39] <knome> i'm getting sub-60% wlan signal here at the floor on front of the living room window
[22:39] <knome> don't ask why i
[22:39] <knome> 'm here.
[22:39] <knome> and, damn eeepc keyboard
[22:40]  * knome just set up pidgin on eeepc :)
[22:42] <astraljava> A real one?
[22:43] <knome> hah. not really. but i do have a bag which has the text PIGEON in it
[23:07] <len-nb> knome, I feel lucky if I get 50%... the ap is downstairs.
[23:08] <knome> len-nb, i'm about 3 meters away from the ap, no walls between
[23:09] <knome> well, maybe 4m
[23:09] <len-nb> Ouch! Mine is an old wap11
[23:09] <len-nb> in b mode
[23:10] <knome> linksys wrt54gs here
[23:10] <knome> though it must be the eeepc that sucks
[23:10] <len-nb> Netbook?
[23:11] <len-nb> No drive deal
[23:11] <len-nb> I'm trying to remember what I have heard about them... not sure
[23:12] <knome> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asus_Eee_PC#Eee_700_series
[23:12] <len-nb> Thanks.
[23:12] <knome> i have the 4G, one of the first
[23:12] <knome> 4G meaning it has 4G drive space, not 4G mem
[23:12] <knome> ...
[23:14] <knome> but i'm not really complaining.
[23:15] <knome> this is fine
[23:15] <knome> i couldn
[23:15] <knome> 't even afford another one.
[23:15] <knome> not in the money sense, but in the sense i'd just play with it all day long
[23:15] <knome> and i don't really need another yet, so...
[23:17] <len-nb> Ja, that was the one I thought it was.
[23:17] <knome> mm-hmm
[23:18]  * knome should be sleeping now too. but i'm stuck playing gnomine on this damn eeepc :)
[23:18] <len-nb> I have installed Ustudio on a 16G usb stick ok, but it took up about 4G, so not much room for playing with.
[23:19] <knome> 4G is tight. but it's manageable. i run xubuntu, but i removed a lot of software at install time
[23:19] <knome> i have about 800M free
[23:19] <len-nb> I kind of wonder what the advantage is, the cheaper aspire I have has a drive in the same space. 
[23:20] <len-nb> Does it have better battery time
[23:20] <knome> well, it's not too good
[23:20] <knome> but remind you, this *is* one of the first really small ones
[23:21] <len-nb> I don't know that I could use a keyboard much smaller... and not having a KB is what turned me away from the pads
[23:22] <knome> well, tbh this keyboard is a bit small for me
[23:22] <knome> but you get used to it
[23:22] <knome> and i'm not writing novels with this
[23:22] <knome> and i have a pretty decent writing speed too, i think
[23:22] <len-nb> So I have found... this one has become my main use computer
[23:22] <knome> :)
[23:23] <knome> i just have to prefer my desktop :)
[23:23] <len-nb> My desktop is downstairs... we don't heat downstairs.
[23:23] <len-nb> But my desktop has a nice soundcard.
[23:24] <ScottL> knome, sorry haven't really tried any printers yet
[23:24] <knome> mine too, but old
[23:24] <knome> ScottL, np :)
[23:25] <ScottL> just been busy, work especially, did 55 hours last week, probably more this week :(
[23:25] <len-nb> ScottL: Do you want me to setup the menu as I have it, or change over to one config file first?
[23:26] <knome> len-nb, but my desktop has two 24" monitors which handle the heating...
[23:26] <len-nb> What I have works fine.
[23:26] <knome> ScottL, too bad :(
[23:26] <ScottL> len-nb, let's get one config file working first, if you don't mind....we'll start KISS
[23:27] <len-nb> Knome, I just have an lcd thing, doesn't even put out as much heat as the cpu.
[23:27] <knome> len-nb, :)
[23:27] <ScottL> i trust everyone knows that acronym
[23:27] <knome> ScottL, did you mean: "that band"
[23:27] <knome> ;]=
[23:28] <len-nb> ScottL, Ok, I will do that. I will have to touch a few different things to do that though.
[23:28] <len-nb> I am assuming I would put it in /etc/xdg/xdg-ubuntustudio?
[23:30] <len-nb> Actually /etc/xdg/xdg-ubuntustudio/menus
[23:32] <ScottL> len-nb, i'm not exactly sure, but you might look at xubuntu-default-settings as a template, but i do think that is right
[23:33] <len-nb> Yes that is where I got the idea from
[23:34] <len-nb> ScottL there is a small startup script that sets the path to the menustuff we have in /usr/share that will have to be removed.
[23:35] <len-nb>  I'm going to reboot and play...
[23:35] <ScottL> len-nb, is the script in the xubuntu stuff or from our original menu?
[23:36] <knome> ScottL, so you're *really* ripping us off, aren't you??
[23:36] <knome> ;)
[23:36] <len-nb> just for ours, Xubuntu doesn't anything like it.
[23:36] <ScottL> len-nb, i thought so, i'm not sure that is needed anymore, especially if we are using the xubuntu (i.e. the proper) model for menus
[23:36] <len-nb> knome, not really, just using xubuntu as a lesson in using xfce right
[23:37] <ScottL> knome, i am afraid so
[23:37] <ScottL> len-nb, well, i've used their stuff a LOT during all my changes
[23:37] <len-nb> Ja, but like I say, they have the best xfce model in town.
[23:39] <len-nb> ScottL, do you want me to set up panels while we are at it? (mainly I mean get rid of it ;-) )
[23:39] <len-nb> Back in a minute...
[23:45] <CFHowlett> Will the US 12.04 beta be available next week?  Couldn't seem to find an official US release calendar...
[23:46] <knome> ScottL, i'm just kidding :)
[23:47] <ScottL> CFHowlett, we follow the same as ubuntu
[23:48] <CFHowlett> ScottL   thanks for the confirmation.  Looking forward to testing the new build!
[23:48] <knome> Len-1204, thanks for the compliments ;)