=== ubott2 is now known as ubottu [15:02] hey I was wondering if I could obtain the latest alpha/beta of precise for installation so that I could help test, as I am going to re-install anway. is that possible? [15:12] bah. 8 mins. missed them [17:19] I was just looking at https://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/OfficialOneiric [17:20] At the bottom it mentions this thing called "AWN" [17:20] Huh? Can people not just write it out instead of some letters? what does that mean? it just looks like a panel to me. [17:23] Anyway, are we still pursuing an "AWN only" concept? or are we just looking at getting xfce working for us right now and see where things are going. [17:25] If AWN is a program, and we are still thinking going that way some time later... is there a ref I can go to to find out more? [17:25] Sorry for the switch of logins... that was where I happened to have the browser up. [17:25] hehe...http://awn-project.org/ seems dead [17:26] Right... Thanks for the answer. [17:26] when i used AWN, it required 3d [17:26] +, i just personally hate the dock thing [17:27] i feel like it would compromise stability for a slick look that most folks probably wont appreciate in the end [17:30] seems like there was a lot of talk about the look and feel of ubuntustudio not too long ago [17:30] and i personally think that was the strongest thing it had going fo it [17:30] for* [17:30] it felt so modern... and zen almost [17:31] anyways... ill get behind whatever we can make happen! [17:31] im just saying.. i dont see anyone wishing they had a dock [17:32] but, it looks slick, and any little thing we could do drastic like that would really set us apart from main ubuntu and xubuntu [17:32] not that we need to detract users from either place, but if we are providing a whole different experience, i can see that as a benefit [17:32] even if that experience is far from what i want, and something that im going to nix right out of the box [17:43] holstein, I was thinking I could make a dock/menu/panel thingy that has buttons like that... [17:44] each button would be a selection of apps for a type of work.. sort of megga workflows [17:44] len: i bet you can :) [17:44] in other words each button might represent a few related workflows. [17:45] when the button is pressed the whole thing is replaced by a set of buttons that go to apps for the super workflow. [17:45] sounds similar to what ScottL was talking about [17:45] holstein does that make sense? [17:45] i think there are some mock-ups? [17:46] maybe just text on it [17:46] I would do it in tk/tcl... because I think it will be around forever. and even if the version changes the scripting will still work for old apps. [17:46] Text would be real easy. Icons would take more time as they are new to me. [17:48] I think I could make it configurable without having to recode... [17:48] holstein I am thinking however that this would be 12.11 ish stuff. [17:48] len: cool! [17:48] i like the idea for sur [17:48] e [17:49] I am also (slowly) working on "TikTOC" to replace gcdmaster. I am not at all happy with what ardour puts out. [17:50] holstein, do you know how to put toc files out in ardour3? I can find it in ardour 2 but not 3 === shnatsel is now known as shnatsel|gprs [18:04] len: nah... i havent used it enough [18:04] lsd over in #opensourcemusicians would know [18:04] or las in #ardour [18:18] len, len-nb , when we work on the menu i would encourage you to use a bzr branch owned by you under your launchpad account, this will make merging the code together much easier [18:19] ScottL i can't do much for the next few hours but when I get back I will see how to do that [18:20] no rush, i still need to get micahg some information about the recent set of change, but i would like to knock the menu change before the end of the coming week [18:20] even if it isn't "perfect", we still have made progress and can tweak it later [18:20] i heard a really good saying that i'm trying to embrace; "don't let perfect stand in the way of better" [18:21] reading the backscroll reminds me of something... [18:21] i had thought about a package for ubuntu studio that would be "helpful" for the user [18:21] it might be an "extras" package or similar [18:21] it might set up some directory structures for users to help organize audio or video projects [18:21] it might even have the awn dock in it with work flows [18:22] just something that i thought about one day [18:22] but i don't know that i'll want to put too much effort into docks or panels for work flows right now [18:22] two reasons for this... [18:22] first we need to finish the work flows and document them in the wiki better (along general work flow) [18:23] second, i would like in the next two or three cycles *really* see about making work flows more transparent to users [18:23] this might be through gladish for audio [18:23] or even scripts ala ralph on the mailing list for audio [18:24] but the point would be to make it easier to start or restart an audio (this automation might include video, graphical, or photography work flows too) project [18:24] but we can flesh this out later, right now we need to get through this cycle [18:25] and probably a few things will not get done this cycle and will slide into next cycle [18:25] and i hope next cycle we can refine the UI , theme, etc but mainly focus on work flows and documentation [21:37] ScottL: ping? [22:13] jussi, pong [22:15] ScottL, dong [22:30] knome, ding [22:34] ScottL, any chancee of getting the cards to printer yet? [22:35] ScottL: jussi is in Barcelona, most likely partying hard right now (Saturday evening, after all). :D [22:36] ohai astraljava [22:36] o/ [22:39] meh. [22:39] i'm getting sub-60% wlan signal here at the floor on front of the living room window [22:39] don't ask why i [22:39] 'm here. [22:39] and, damn eeepc keyboard [22:40] * knome just set up pidgin on eeepc :) [22:42] A real one? [22:43] hah. not really. but i do have a bag which has the text PIGEON in it [23:07] knome, I feel lucky if I get 50%... the ap is downstairs. [23:08] len-nb, i'm about 3 meters away from the ap, no walls between [23:09] well, maybe 4m [23:09] Ouch! Mine is an old wap11 [23:09] in b mode [23:10] linksys wrt54gs here [23:10] though it must be the eeepc that sucks [23:10] Netbook? [23:11] No drive deal [23:11] I'm trying to remember what I have heard about them... not sure [23:12] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asus_Eee_PC#Eee_700_series [23:12] Thanks. [23:12] i have the 4G, one of the first [23:12] 4G meaning it has 4G drive space, not 4G mem [23:12] ... [23:14] but i'm not really complaining. [23:15] this is fine [23:15] i couldn [23:15] 't even afford another one. [23:15] not in the money sense, but in the sense i'd just play with it all day long [23:15] and i don't really need another yet, so... [23:17] Ja, that was the one I thought it was. [23:17] mm-hmm [23:18] * knome should be sleeping now too. but i'm stuck playing gnomine on this damn eeepc :) [23:18] I have installed Ustudio on a 16G usb stick ok, but it took up about 4G, so not much room for playing with. [23:19] 4G is tight. but it's manageable. i run xubuntu, but i removed a lot of software at install time [23:19] i have about 800M free [23:19] I kind of wonder what the advantage is, the cheaper aspire I have has a drive in the same space. [23:20] Does it have better battery time [23:20] well, it's not too good [23:20] but remind you, this *is* one of the first really small ones [23:21] I don't know that I could use a keyboard much smaller... and not having a KB is what turned me away from the pads [23:22] well, tbh this keyboard is a bit small for me [23:22] but you get used to it [23:22] and i'm not writing novels with this [23:22] and i have a pretty decent writing speed too, i think [23:22] So I have found... this one has become my main use computer [23:22] :) [23:23] i just have to prefer my desktop :) [23:23] My desktop is downstairs... we don't heat downstairs. [23:23] But my desktop has a nice soundcard. [23:24] knome, sorry haven't really tried any printers yet [23:24] mine too, but old [23:24] ScottL, np :) [23:25] just been busy, work especially, did 55 hours last week, probably more this week :( [23:25] ScottL: Do you want me to setup the menu as I have it, or change over to one config file first? [23:26] len-nb, but my desktop has two 24" monitors which handle the heating... [23:26] What I have works fine. [23:26] ScottL, too bad :( [23:26] len-nb, let's get one config file working first, if you don't mind....we'll start KISS [23:27] Knome, I just have an lcd thing, doesn't even put out as much heat as the cpu. [23:27] len-nb, :) [23:27] i trust everyone knows that acronym [23:27] ScottL, did you mean: "that band" [23:27] ;]= [23:28] ScottL, Ok, I will do that. I will have to touch a few different things to do that though. [23:28] I am assuming I would put it in /etc/xdg/xdg-ubuntustudio? [23:30] Actually /etc/xdg/xdg-ubuntustudio/menus [23:32] len-nb, i'm not exactly sure, but you might look at xubuntu-default-settings as a template, but i do think that is right [23:33] Yes that is where I got the idea from [23:34] ScottL there is a small startup script that sets the path to the menustuff we have in /usr/share that will have to be removed. [23:35] I'm going to reboot and play... [23:35] len-nb, is the script in the xubuntu stuff or from our original menu? [23:36] ScottL, so you're *really* ripping us off, aren't you?? [23:36] ;) [23:36] just for ours, Xubuntu doesn't anything like it. [23:36] len-nb, i thought so, i'm not sure that is needed anymore, especially if we are using the xubuntu (i.e. the proper) model for menus [23:36] knome, not really, just using xubuntu as a lesson in using xfce right [23:37] knome, i am afraid so [23:37] len-nb, well, i've used their stuff a LOT during all my changes [23:37] Ja, but like I say, they have the best xfce model in town. [23:39] ScottL, do you want me to set up panels while we are at it? (mainly I mean get rid of it ;-) ) [23:39] Back in a minute... [23:45] Will the US 12.04 beta be available next week? Couldn't seem to find an official US release calendar... [23:46] ScottL, i'm just kidding :) [23:47] CFHowlett, we follow the same as ubuntu [23:48] ScottL thanks for the confirmation. Looking forward to testing the new build! [23:48] Len-1204, thanks for the compliments ;)