[20:51] <knome> hey pleia2 
[20:51] <pleia2> hey knome!
[20:52] <knome> i'm at my eeepc, so i can chat but not much else :)
[20:52] <pleia2> hehe ok
[20:54] <pleia2> so I created https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing/Products
[20:54] <pleia2> moved the stickers there, did a super basic t-shirt design
[20:55] <knome> yeah, i noticed the shirt design
[20:55] <pleia2> so I'm thinking we do a call for more t-shirt designs, and maybe ask for more suggestions for stuff to offer
[20:55] <knome> i think something basic is what we want
[20:55] <knome> i'd like one with quite small logo on the front
[20:55] <knome> and maybe nothing in the back
[20:56]  * pleia2 nods
[20:56] <knome> unless we come up with a cool motto or so, but that could be printed on the front too
[20:57] <knome> did you see the unity-greeter icons?
[20:57] <pleia2> yep
[20:57] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/precise_greeter/greeter_badges_preview.png for logs
[20:57] <knome> do you like the mouse head?
[20:58] <pleia2> yeah, much better than squishing the whole mouse in to 22x22
[20:58] <knome> yep
[20:58] <knome> maybe we could use that on the shirt designs too
[20:58] <knome> and other places that needs a clear shape and not something cut
[20:58]  * pleia2 nods
[20:59] <knome> what about a blue shirt with white mouse?
[20:59] <pleia2> can you add the mouse head SVG to the Artwork page?
[20:59] <knome> will do when i'm at my desktop
[20:59] <pleia2> great
[21:00] <pleia2> when I do the blog post about shirts I'll point people to the Artwork page so they start with the right stuff
[21:00] <knome> sure
[21:00] <knome> i will check everything is fine three
[21:00] <knome> *there
[21:00] <knome> and what about moving that to our website?
[21:01] <pleia2> I haven't fully thought about that yet, I'm wondering if we want to keep artwork-proposed on the wiki so anyone can upload, and have official released artwork on the website
[21:01] <knome> yeah, that
[21:01] <knome> i was referring to the official material
[21:02] <knome> we could try ro gather some banners and stuff there too
[21:02] <pleia2> yeah, that would be good
[21:03] <pleia2> do you have any opinions vendor-wise? I'm in the US so I think zazzle, cafepress
[21:03] <knome> well, not really
[21:03] <knome> i'd like to keep the expenses as small as possible
[21:03] <pleia2> they both ship internationally and mostly their stuff doesn't suck
[21:03] <knome> meaning the shipping+handling
[21:03]  * pleia2 nods
[21:03] <knome> with only one ordered product too
[21:05] <pleia2> ok, well I'll blog asking people what stuff they want to see, and that can help us narrow down a vendor
[21:05] <knome> yeah, that would be good
[21:05] <knome> do we have rights to do this
[21:05] <knome> i mean, vs. canonical
[21:06] <pleia2> and I can start drafting an official released artwork page for you and ochosi to review
[21:06] <pleia2> I don't think it'll be a problem, they don't sell xubuntu stuff (and I doubt they ever will, they had trouble moving their kubuntu stuff)
[21:06] <knome> mmh, but still
[21:06] <knome> should we check?
[21:06] <knome> just to have an official ack
[21:07] <knome> i mean, i don't want to go "oops"
[21:07] <pleia2> yeah, I see your point
[21:08] <pleia2> and I am going to go with not making profit on these (these sites let you add $1 or whatever to the cost of items to make money)
[21:08] <knome> yeah, definitely
[21:08] <knome> but still, on the (c) of the logos and stuff
[21:08] <knome> trademarks and so
[21:08] <pleia2> who does own the copyright of the locos?
[21:09] <knome> i don't know. it's possible i do, because i created that
[21:09] <pleia2> yeah, I think you do
[21:09] <knome> but the trademark... i don't know
[21:09] <knome> and what about the xfce mouse?
[21:09] <knome> i could check with xfce too that it's okay
[21:09] <pleia2> hmm, good question about the mouse
[21:10] <pleia2> ok, want me to email the canonical trademarks (I'll cc you) and you contact xfce?
[21:10] <knome> well, it's modified in the xubuntu logo
[21:10] <pleia2> yeah
[21:10] <knome> yep, sounds good
[21:10] <pleia2> great
[21:10] <knome> could you send me an email telling me i need to email xfce about the mouse?
[21:10] <pleia2> sure
[21:10] <knome> i mean, just something with a title to remind
[21:10] <knome> thanks
[21:11] <pleia2> that's pretty much all I had :) I am still working on text for the little fliers, I'll let you know when I have a draft that needs are love
[21:11] <knome> hehe, sure
[21:11] <pleia2> s/are/art
[21:13] <knome> sounds like a plan
[21:13] <pleia2> :)
[21:28] <pleia2> doh, trademarks doesn't use an email address anymore, they have a web form
[21:29] <knome> heh
[21:35] <pleia2> "Thank you for contacting us. Every email we receive is read and handled by a person from the Trademarks Team."
[21:35] <pleia2> hehe, woo, a real person!
[22:15] <knome> omg
[22:15] <knome> that's more than we could have ever asked for