[00:04] graingert: I don't, but I'm curious what graphics driver you use [00:04] heheh [00:04] guess [00:04] nvidia [00:04] graingert: have you tried nouveau? [00:04] how do I go back to nouvea from nvidia? [00:04] just disable in jockey? [00:05] graingert: yes, that should work & reboot [00:05] also I can't seem to get java plugins working in ff or chrome [00:05] do you know what I need installing [00:06] I have icedtea-plugin icedtea-7-plugin and icedtea-6-plugin [00:07] anyway just going to grab todays updates and see if it still happens [00:20] its known not to work very well on some systems.. so the solution is to disable it on all systems.. even ones which work.. and give no simple way to re-enable it again [00:20] *golf claps* bravo ubuntu.. ;) [00:21] Iirc, they're going to work on a whitelist that's going to be constantly updated. [00:22] the problem is.. its not that simple and it depends on the state of the system.. and if additional hardware devices have been plugged in [00:23] a blacklist is probably a smarter idea [00:24] I don't think they can do a whitelist because there are too many variables for hibernate to work, hardware alone isn't sufficient [00:24] but it sounds like they'd much rather prevent hibernate working on systems in which it works.. than accidentally allow hibernate on systems which might not.. a feature known as "retard" protection ;) [00:25] OEMs can enable it by default [00:25] and how many oems install ubuntu linux [00:25] all zero of them [00:25] Dell, System76 [00:26] there are quite a few OEMs, Canonical has a whole team that works with various OEMs [00:26] well.. here in australia i've never seen something for sale with ubuntu on it [00:26] Daekdroom: you were talking about which Brands have best compatilibity with Ubuntu ? [00:26] versus the almost 100% of the market that comes with windows [00:26] guys what's the command to install gnome classic on 12.04? [00:26] one of the few money-producing opportunities Canonical is going after [00:27] glosoli, nope. I'm talking about OEMs that ship Ubuntu-powered machines. [00:27] DaniG2k: it's already installed [00:27] glosoli not for me [00:27] glosoli I got rid of unity [00:27] sudo apt-get install gnome-fallback-session [00:27] k thnx [00:27] Daekdroom: just install gnome-session-fallback or gnome-panel (installing gnome-shell will also work) [00:27] or gnome-session-fallback [00:27] :) [00:27] Daekdroom: In my country most of them give you an option :) Linux or Windows [00:27] !info gnome-session-fallback [00:27] gnome-session-fallback (source: gnome-session): GNOME Session Manager - GNOME fallback session. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.2.1-0ubuntu5 (precise), package size 3 kB, installed size 157 kB (Only available for any all) [00:28] glosoli, Dell is the only one to do that around here, atleast among the respected and well known companies. [00:28] !info gnome-panel [00:28] gnome-panel (source: gnome-panel): launcher and docking facility for GNOME. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:3.3.90-0ubuntu1 (precise), package size 472 kB, installed size 1372 kB (Only available for any all) [00:28] ive got an idea.. there could be a toggle to enable hibernate in the power settings.. on whitelisted systems.. its enabeld by default.. otherwise its set to disabled [00:28] ^ that's the actual version [00:28] if you then re-enable it.. it could warn you that hibernate has not been tested on your system, and that you do so at your own risk [00:28] Daekdroom: And do you know which brand has the best support for Linux ? Thinking of changing my laptop just for ubuntu... coz I love it. In about 4 months period [00:29] snadge: I believe that was Design's idea, it just needs someone to write the patch [00:29] glosoli, unfortunately, I don't. But I think somewhere on the wiki there's a page that describe how well Ubuntu works with some laptop models. [00:29] also there could be a mechanism after a successful hibernate (for the first time on an untested system) it could prompt you to submit your hardware details to canonical [00:29] so that in a future update.. that hardware may or may not be included in the whitelist [00:30] Daekdroom: Well I won't find anything, coz If I buy smth most of the times it is new high tech thing :/ The same was with my Asus N61JA at the time I bought it [00:30] my acer aspire one is not on the whitelist :( .. i thought they were a fairly common netbook [00:31] the problem with doing tests is that the hibernation failures are often particular feature related; like doesn't hibernate with wifi in use or the like [00:32] which is why one successful result shouldn't be used to whitelist something.. and the result should contain whether wifi is enabled etc [00:32] so if you get a bunch of successful hibernations.. but none of them have wifi enabled.. you could then be suspicious [00:33] you could also log when the hardware goes into hibernation.. which would tell you roughly how many systems go into hibernate, and fail to come back out of it again.. ie, the ratio [00:33] snadge: Yeh I'm just saying that set of rules can be quite tricky to come up with [00:34] snadge: It's like it might be only wifi on battery power connected to a WPA-2 network on 5GHz [00:34] i also wonder if some blacklisted hardware works in windows.. and what form of witchcraft / voodoo trickery they use to work around it [00:34] (On a tuesday....nah, would never get a date dependent bug....) [00:36] true that.. and in those situations, as you know.. its possible to run scripts pre and post hibernate [00:36] to do things like .. shut down and re-enable wifi [00:36] snadge: Nod [00:36] it makes sense to do that.. rather than disable it entirely [00:37] it just underlines how much of an enormous problem it is though.. collecting useful information from the field would go a long way towards answering some of those questions [00:37] has online accounts been removed from system settings again, or is it just me? [00:37] snadge: It's just really difficult - because what normalyl happens is you figure it hibernates sometimes and it can be quite difficult to pin down what the circumstance was [00:38] like my netbook, im pretty sure that one time out of 10.. it stuffs up [00:38] jo-erlend, not just you. It disappeared from here too [00:38] but most of the time.. it works fine [00:38] Daekdroom, thanks. Stuff has disappeared here before for no apparent reason :) [00:38] Daekdroom: Do you know anything if Nvidia is getting Optimus for Ubuntu :) ? [00:39] glosoli, huh... I don't [00:39] Well, I've read a few things about Optimus in Linux, but I don't remember them [00:49] recent logs seem to have broken: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/02/26/%23ubuntu+1.txt [00:50] graingert: Give it time - we're not an hour into 26 yet! [00:50] urgh [00:50] can anyone remember who I was talking at? [00:51] the cronjob generates them at 3 minutes past an hour looking at the timestamps [00:51] a moment ago [00:51] it was just at the wrong moment [00:51] graingert: jbicha [00:52] jbicha: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/941200 it does seem to be some nvidia "issue" [00:52] Launchpad bug 941200 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell crashed with SIGSEGV in _nv022tls()" [Undecided,New] [00:52] although ubuntu-bug recommended gnome-shell [02:31] hey guys. double clicking on the app menu (to unmaximise a window) is more sensitive than double clicking on a window to maximise. is this important enough to report as a bug? [02:31] i was hoping one of you could try it out and see if i'm not being hypersensitive :P [02:36] Will123456, I think it is a single click on the app menu [02:36] to size it [02:48] Click and drag or double click to restore. [02:48] Well, to maximize too [02:51] Daekdroom, I thought they meant the maximize or half size button was the tick here in the app menu. :) [03:05] Daekdroom: double clicking behaves differently on windows and the appmenu [03:06] two clicks that the app menu registers as a "double click" will not register on windows [03:06] that's what i meant by more sensitive [03:06] try this: maximise a window, then find the slowest double click you can do on the app menu to unmaximise the window. now try that on the window title bar [03:06] it probably won't maximise the window [03:07] Well, you could try filling a bug report, but I'm not sure how important (if a bug at all) they'd consider it. [03:07] yeah, that's why I asked here first :P [03:07] am i being too precise? :P [03:07] I personally cannot find a difference between speed for each of the actions. [03:07] *minimum speed [03:08] Ah. Nevermind, just did. [03:08] it's subtle, right? [03:08] yes. [03:09] both window title bars and the app menu don't seem to take into account the "double click timeout" setting under mouse and touchpad settings, though maybe you have to restart the session to have that come into effect [03:10] the only reason i can think this might constitute a proper bug is if they don't adapt to the double click timeout, which would be nice for accessibility reasons right? [09:56] ut [10:02] ping mhall119, is there a way to translate unity quicklists of precise? [10:05] trijntje, yes. there is. [10:06] use Name[lang]=Translated [10:09] valdur55: so I should use bzr to get the .desktop files, add the translations and push it to lp? I have no exprience with bzr [10:11] the above meaning: is that the correct procedure? Not meaning: explain all of bzr to me [10:15] trijntje, http://mhall119.com/2012/02/contributing-to-unity-for-non-developers-quicklists/ and http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/ ... [10:16] trijntje, first, test my idea. Maybe it doesn't work. It seems to work, but i can't test [10:18] valdur55: I'll try adding the translations to the .desktop files first, thanks! [10:27] is this the 12.04 channel? [10:28] If you maximize the screen, why doesn't the unity bar hide anymore?? bug? [10:28] yup [10:28] it appears to be a bug [10:28] that it wont dodge windows [10:28] i hope so.. i was so mad.. i don't wanna install ccsm [10:29] you dont have to, you can make it autohide from the wallpaper menu [10:29] autohide for now at least [10:29] okay good *phew.. i have a netbook.. prolly not a big deal for ypu guys [10:30] Well, when it doesnt hide, it obscures whatever is underneath it [10:30] are there any setting to change the size of the unity bar yet?? [10:30] :> [10:31] via ccsm, yeah [10:31] or via Ubuntu Tweak [10:31] that should be top priority to make defauly :( [10:32] the icon resize? I think it was in the appearance menu for a while [10:32] but not sure :> [10:32] you probably could find it somewhere in the dconf editor too [10:33] oh yeah one more thing.. everytime i log out to LightDM it keeeps crashing and restarting.. have you ever had that?? [10:33] i meaning restarting the xserver.. not the whole computer [10:33] not on my desktop, but on intel based laptop, yeah [10:34] i guess you have AMD? lol [10:34] nah, Im on nvidia here [10:35] well, I would suggest you file a bug :) [10:35] i hopw i have time to [10:35] its pretty much the point of using precise at its current state :) [10:36] you can always use 'ubuntu-bug' command [10:36] i know.. usually i wouldn't be the fist to file a bug.. there are always repeats of the same filed bug on launchpad [10:36] it takes about 3 minutes to fill [10:37] yeah ill do it.. tomorrow tho [10:37] yeah, for me the most annoying thing is searching for dupes :) [10:37] whaat version ubuntu are you using atm? [10:38] 12.04 on desktop [10:38] its surprisingly stable for an alpha [10:38] linux alpha :) [10:38] and I dualboot it on my laptop [10:38] oh! i thought you'd use something for mainstream.. like 10.04.4.. like im using [10:39] my fallback to sanity is arch linux :) [10:39] ubuntu is only good when you tinker too much with the inner parts.. lol [10:39] I remember when PCLinuxOS was the big thing [10:39] u remember that?? [10:39] I remember when redhat was the big thing :P [10:40] how long have you been using linux for lol??? [10:40] for some time, on and off [10:40] compared to what linux was on desktop [10:40] ubuntu is a dream [10:40] 2006..ish for me.. i started at 13 [10:41] i know! especially display problems back then! [10:41] LCD and native resolutions :S [10:42] yeah, I spent like two days on opensuse [10:42] to make it properly set resolution in gdm and desktop [10:42] with two displays [10:42] i couldn't run opensuse.. i had my first kernel panic with it tho! [10:42] precise pangolin is supposed to fix the dual display situation a bit [10:42] i saw when they were demonstrating it in orlando [10:43] it worked well for my netbook on the projector in the lecture hall too! [10:44] huh, I never tried it that way [10:44] just smaller screen next to bigger [10:44] and theres always a catch [10:45] i dunno.. it worked really well.. no lag or anything.. and this was a netbook.. [10:46] it was annoying changing the size of the window in the bigger moniter to refit the smaller one.. but that was it. [10:46] well, for me its not lag, its that the screen is either the height of the bigger one, and you actually can move the mouse outside of the display :) [10:46] or you cant set the native resolution at all [10:47] Im actually a little bit glad my oldish second LCD gave out ;> [10:47] huh.. weird.. [10:48] it was wayy easier using CRTs for multiple monitors [10:48] http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FXboN0tI_PU/TWF7LNTgHoI/AAAAAAABQUQ/yFWI-2GglaA/s1600/rh5-version.png [10:48] first linux distro ever for me [10:48] ofcouse I installed it, got scared by it and returned to windows 85 [10:49] I probably should have my LILO boot FDD somewhere :P [10:49] holy.. how old are you?? hahaha [10:49] only 25 [10:49] I was nerdish as a small kid [10:50] My first comp was MSDOS.. i was pretty nerdy too! [10:50] http://static.howtoforge.com/images/beryl_pclinuxos2007/14.jpg [10:51] hmm, I used to rock 'su-27 flanker' for hours on dos [10:51] my first linux distro for me [10:51] mmm, woddly windows, the main selling point of linux desktop back then :> [10:51] wobbly* [10:51] i used it as a liveCD and i was impressed with its performance.. my computer couldn't run Vista which just came out at the time [10:52] great alternative. but ubuntu wasn't as good back then compared to this [10:53] I think I was playing with fedora at that time [10:53] and learned what bleeding edge means for them :P [10:53] haha yeah [10:54] what do you think of Gnome3?? [10:54] I actually like it [10:54] many people hate it, miss the old gnome menus [10:55] but I hated the menus - you had to know where every shortcut install by default [10:55] and where is the line between preferences and administration :P [10:56] or you could launch everything from terminal [10:56] i have gnone 2 right now.. i downd [10:56] downgraded** [10:57] i used to run 11.04 before.. i needed something more stable for school [10:57] r u in college?? [10:57] yeah [10:57] for me, the metakey search/launcher is just a killer feature [10:58] tell, me, on 10.04.4, the gnome applets still move around on their own? :> [10:58] no.. atlwast not yet [10:58] atleast** [10:59] it annoyed the hell out of me [10:59] everytime i thikn about the weather applet tho.. haha.. i remember when my city got to -53C [10:59] maybe they fixed it [11:00] my city was second coldest in the world that night [11:00] they probably did.. they better atleast [11:01] i had that problem in ubuntu 11.04 where if put my computer to sleep but the machine wouldn't go into sleep mode. just the os did [11:01] i had not way of waking it back up again [11:02] have you ever had that before?? [11:02] Hmm, I dont think so [11:02] i lost so much homework that week.. i was pretty mad [11:03] I made pushing 'ctrl + s' a habit, just for that ocasion ;> [11:05] so what r u studying in college?? [11:05] computer science :P [11:06] haha same! what year?? [11:08] second [11:09] had couple of years after highschool [11:09] of break ;> [11:17] anyways i g2g [11:17] nice talkin to ya! [11:17] cheers! [12:53] ironhalik: applet moving has never been fixed afair === yofel_ is now known as yofel === bulldog98_ is now known as bulldog98 [14:18] !info vlc [14:18] vlc (source: vlc): multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.0-1 (precise), package size 1360 kB, installed size 3370 kB (Only available for any all) [14:53] why have I lost the network icon in unity [15:07] Hello. The menu color being light rather than dark in Ambiance - is it a bug or a feature? [15:08] Arnold: dark text is in radiance [15:10] It seems to be like that, yes. However, it's kind of the same in Ambiance, in which it should be inverted. [15:10] In Ambiance, it should be dark menu, and with light text. [15:11] Arnold: correct [15:17] Radiance: http://ubuntuone.com/2eSehD43cTxnrsltW6Lz1S [15:17] Ambiance: http://ubuntuone.com/0tQiUFbO8g8uBaelzOzgpQ [16:54] How to disable screen blanking on KUbuntu? [16:54] It blanks after about 10 minutes even though I have disabled blanking and screensaver. [16:58] hmm don't think it does here [16:59] Tronic: Have you disabled it the right one of the On AC Power/On battery/On Low battery tabs ? [17:00] * penguin42 has Dim Display turned off, and Screen Energy saving set to Switch off after 360min [17:02] hmm spotted something I didn't realise about KDE 4.8 - the 'activity's are a bit more than just virtual desktops; you can have differnet power behaviour on each one [17:04] Hmm, nice [17:05] KDE 4.8 seems waay better then last I remembered KDE [17:05] which was wieth 3.5/4.0 transition [17:06] yeh the 3.5/4.0 transition was painful [17:06] and first iteration of KDE4 were painfull :) [17:06] iterations* [17:07] yeh [17:08] penguin42: iirc per-activity power management was added in 4.8 [17:17] yofel: I hadn't previously seen the point of acitivities - but I can see for presentations or say watching a video that would be neat [17:20] hi [17:20] i need help logging in via lightdm, keeps making a loop and throws me out [17:23] i need help logging in via lightdm, keeps making a loop and throws me out [17:24] twistsyadada: After your password? [17:24] twistsyadada, in 12.04 ? [17:28] hi [17:28] yae [17:28] after pasword yes [17:28] happened after yesterdays updates [17:29] this is the 12.04 channel i think [17:29] nod [17:30] twistsyadada: you said this was also happening in 11.10 ? [17:30] no, i have read on forums about similar problem with login on stable release [17:30] penguin42: for me, activities (or workspaces) are a killer feature of linux [17:30] windows kinda has it too, but not so nicely implemented [17:31] i deleted some iceauthority filee [17:31] ironhalik: Well KDE4.8 has workspaces and new 'activities' [17:32] should i update the system again and check maybe? [17:33] Is there some nice GUI formatting tool, except gparted and gnome format? [17:33] i deleted Xauthority file too hoping that would help, bad idea probably [17:34] ever mv a file to a .bak ? [17:34] should have [17:34] too late [17:35] iam wondering why happen to my system and not to others [17:35] is there a program which could alter thse settings [17:36] ironhalik: There is one called palimpsest - that is the gnome disk utility or one of them [17:37] ironhalik: for kde there's partitionmanager [17:37] so nayone have any ideas how to get into system [17:39] thanks, gnome disk utility will work great [17:41] anyone encountered problems when using ubuntus start disk creator? [17:41] eg. data fail mid install? [17:41] ironhalik: what kind of , i have had many [17:42] failed to copy? [17:42] penguin42: you have any suggestion how to fix my problem? [17:43] data corrupted during install [17:43] ironhalik, data... what data.. boot data? [17:44] failed to copy [17:44] ironhalik: try formatting the flash disk and try fresh [17:44] yeah, doing it right now [17:45] twistsyadada: Try selecting a different session type before entering the password? [17:45] penguin42: that is the problem, no other sessions are showing [17:45] penguin42: before, i saw unity 2d or gnome, now all are missing [17:46] oh - that's odd [17:46] even guest login logs me out [17:46] Hmm did anything bad happen during the upgrade? [17:46] right now i have 2, my username and a guest session [17:47] well, its always a partial upgrade of course [17:47] but didnt notice anything odd [17:47] no held back packages either [17:47] odd [17:48] i heard everyone got a new login screen etc [17:48] with a new > symbol next to password box [17:48] i have the > but no sessions [17:49] can't suggest much - maybe debug in /var/log/lightdm logs [17:49] and that's why lubuntu fails... [17:49] ok will do [17:50] changes with lightdm :P [17:52] penguin42: lightdm log says authentication successful [17:52] bah nvm, ill reinstall [17:55] howdy. I'm running precise on a freescale mx53 and it doesn't have some kernel modules i'd like (for example, 'tun'). what's the recommended procedure for getting that? "apt-get source " and then build modules myself? [17:57] dash: Yeh you don't have many choices; probably a good idea to ask for them to be turned on in the config as well [17:58] OK [18:08] dash: the default config has tun: CONFIG_TUN=y, just not as a module [18:10] dash, do you have a /dev/net/tun [18:11] mknod /dev/net/tun c 10 200 [18:11] http://blog.galemin.com/tag/tun/ [18:23] hi [18:25] bucky: hmm, i don't even have a /dev/net [18:25] ah, just mkdir. [18:27] trism: it doesn't here [18:28] trism: /boot/config-3.1.1-1400-linaro-lt-mx5 has "# CONFIG_TUN is not set" in it [18:29] modinfo tun [18:29] oh.. no mod [18:29] yup [18:32] so i'm left with the idea of manually building the module for now and maybe building a custom kernel deb later [18:38] dash: why are you running 3.1.1? Are there no 3.2 kernels for arm? [18:39] hi folks [18:39] i was here before about the lightdm login problem [18:39] Any new updates for someone ? [18:39] ;D [18:40] fixed it, the package gnome-session was uninstalled it seems [18:40] i installed it and i can login back now [18:40] not sure if that has anything to do with lightdm [18:41] glosoli: why [18:41] glosoli: libreoffice updates [18:42] industrialmess: just interested the second day that's silent for me :D [18:42] glosoli: try the main repos? [18:43] it's beta freeze, not much updates [18:43] yofel: Good question. It's the only one I saw for mx53 [18:43] industrialmess: using that one ;D [18:43] it's what 'linux-image-linaro-lt-mx5' depends on. [18:43] i see a 3.2.x one for omap though [18:44] are we on beta now? [18:44] dash: #ubuntu-kernel might know more [18:44] OK thanks [18:44] industrialmess: no, but archive is frozen for beta release testing [18:44] industrialmess: using that one already ;D [18:44] thats nice [18:44] glosoli: ya you said that twice :P [18:44] Tab completion in HUD would be nice, yes? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/941568 [18:44] Launchpad bug 941568 in unity (Ubuntu) "No tab completion for HUD." [Undecided,New] [18:44] industrialmess: hmmm ;D blindliness :D [18:46] ok iam going now [18:46] entered ubuntu irc after many years [18:46] :) [18:59] glosoli: ? [19:00] glosoli: i hate when there are no updates oufff [19:01] yeah, slow weekend [19:02] :'( [19:03] ironhalik: we may have more updates when we we enter Beta UI [19:03] there are many bugs that should get fixed for this version to be called LTS [19:04] so i hope we gonna have again a nice updates FIESTA [19:04] :) [19:13] yeah, we'll get out update fix every day! [19:13] btw LTS, I had pretty low opinion of 10.04 [19:13] ;> [19:14] but on the other hand, 12.04 so far, even in alpha, is amazingly good [19:14] especially compared do 11.10 alpha [19:15] so true [19:15] i can only agree with you [19:15] Trying to restrain myself from installing 12.04 on my lappy [19:16] i got it on mine since alpha 1 [19:16] :) [19:16] everything is ok [19:16] :) [19:16] which so far is my fallback PC in case something went terribly wrong [19:16] lol [19:16] remember the old linux day where almost any hardware driver was KERNEL PANIC [19:16] promised myself Ill install beta 1 on it [19:16] or even a hot plug usb lol [19:17] Yeah, it was kinda insane [19:17] beta 1 omgggg [19:17] you have to wait almost a month [19:17] you had to hack through conf's to get the simplest things working [19:17] * zzecool says omg [19:17] beta 1 should be out in a week [19:18] i was trying to scare you [19:18] * zzecool scare tactics failed [19:18] :P [19:20]