[02:11] <HiDeHo> Hi wondering why i cant have access to ubuntu channel. a week or two ago i came here and asked for permissions to be given for em to be allowed to enter again i was told to read the rules and i promised i would abide by them. then i thought i was unbanned seems i am not.
[02:11] <HiDeHo> weird that
[02:11] <HiDeHo> i can only assume i will never again be allowed to use the channel.
[06:55] <elky> HiDeHo, the thing is, we're aware you don't use ubuntu, but instead you use mint. We  *don't* and *cannot* support mint. You however, seem to expect us to, continually, despite hundreds of warnings. Why should we unban you?
[07:14] <HiDeHo> elky: i understand that. its ok. I really was thinking of installig ubuntu on another computer for testing the latest. you just helped me realise what to do. thanks again.
[07:14] <HiDeHo> is moving on from here now
[07:14] <HiDeHo> pm me if you hve any thing else to discues on this.
[09:02] <M4dH4TT3r> hello TMNT
[09:02] <M4dH4TT3r> now why/when was i banned and how am i just hearing about it now while ive been there for approx 3 days?
[09:07] <AlanBell> M4dH4TT3r: you were banned on Feb 24 2012 10:12:55 for repeatedly using inappropriate language for a family friendly channel
[09:09] <M4dH4TT3r> so if i was banned then why did no one tell me about it?
[09:10] <M4dH4TT3r> btw wtf isnt cussing ;)
[09:10] <AlanBell> well I believe they did, and you then mentioned in #ubuntu that you had been banned which kind of acknowledges you were aware of it at the time
[09:10] <M4dH4TT3r> lol no
[09:10] <AlanBell> anyhow, I don't really want to discuss the ban with you, just answering your questions about when and why.
[09:10] <M4dH4TT3r> i was talking about something else
[09:11] <M4dH4TT3r> yeah im waiting for TMNT as he told me to come here
[09:11] <AlanBell> that would be Tm_T
[09:11] <M4dH4TT3r> yeah
[09:12] <M4dH4TT3r> i fill in the blanks ;)
[09:23] <Tm_T> M4dH4TT3r: hi
[09:25] <M4dH4TT3r> hi
[09:25] <Tm_T> M4dH4TT3r: I wasn't the one who set the original ban, but I see you were banned before being removed from the channel
[09:26] <M4dH4TT3r> i was?
[09:27] <M4dH4TT3r> while this doesnt come as a suprise to me i honestly dont remember it
[09:28] <Tm_T> dexter: yes?
[09:28] <Tm_T> ah
[09:29] <dexter> Okay, someone should check in on -ot
[09:30] <M4dH4TT3r> what your gonna make me a op did i hear you right? cause i strongly advise aginst this.
[09:31] <Tm_T> M4dH4TT3r: huh?
[09:35] <M4dH4TT3r> haha its triangulated La59.454862 Lo135.319053 Al-5.045000
[09:35] <ikonia> M4dH4TT3r: stop the games - leave the channel
[09:35] <ikonia> M4dH4TT3r: you troll freenode it's boring, there is no further discussion to be head.
[09:35] <ikonia> had
[09:36] <M4dH4TT3r> ikonia please go away you know we dont like eachother for some years now why do you continue?
[09:37] <ikonia> I don't disliked you, I just have no interest in allowing you continue to break the channels rules, so there is nothing more to discuss, please leave this channel and go about your behaviour in other channels
[09:37] <ikonia> bye
[09:37] <Tm_T> M4dH4TT3r: you've been banned multiple times by multiple ops because of your behaviour, so I believe you did all this on purpose
[09:39] <M4dH4TT3r> yeah a few of which ikonia incited, but anyways no i wasnt even there for some of them its suddenly my fauly ops bann me for things like typos,previous bans, ect and somehow you think this sets precidence and justifies your actions?
[09:40] <ikonia> M4dH4TT3r: no more discussion. Bye
[09:40] <M4dH4TT3r> point made
[09:40] <ikonia> agreed, bye
[09:41] <M4dH4TT3r> were you leaving irc ikonia? because this would be doing me a great service
[12:46] <amiacara> Morn
[12:46] <ikonia> hello amiacara
[12:46] <amiacara> I can't use #ubuntu
[12:46] <Myrtti> yes, I'm still looking at the issue
[12:46] <amiacara> I'm banned
[12:46] <amiacara> by the floodbot
[12:46] <amiacara> :\
[12:46] <Myrtti> I've already told you to have patience, as I can't immediately see what's wrong
[12:46] <ikonia> thanks Myrtti
[12:47] <amiacara> !LTS > amiacara
[12:47] <amiacara> !precise > amiacara
[12:49] <oCean> amiacara: you changed your nick while the bot muted you, /part and rejoin #ubuntu should fix that I think
[12:50] <amiacara> thanks Myrtti
[12:50] <oCean> there you are :)
[17:17] <h00k> nice.
[19:54] <bazhang> caps lock delay looks familiar
[19:54] <LjL> Kubuntu 12.04 here, doesn't happen
[19:55] <ikonia> either way, it's not something that needs to be taken up with "the kernel team" at this time
[19:55] <bazhang> ie I recall a user a while back who claimed the exact same issue
[19:56] <ikonia> bazhang: I've seen it before too, the time I saw it was just X11 in fall back and lagging due to poor video input response
[19:57] <LjL> there is an old report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/294995
[19:58] <ikonia> LjL: bingo, thank you
[20:26] <bazhang> relying on common sense.
[20:27] <bazhang> when even ubuntu /member users are recommending non-supported distros
[20:28] <ikonia> I don't see a problem with someone suggesting an alternative distro if ubuntu doesn't do something the user needs it to do,
[20:28] <ikonia> (I wasn't following the question)
[20:28] <ikonia> just randomly spouting other distros isn't useful
[20:28] <bazhang> crunchbang
[20:29] <bazhang> and lubuntu is the obvious answer
[20:29] <ikonia> well, as that's pretty much an empty shell of a distro not sure why someone would push it
 anybody know where it might be possible to download a beta version of "Ubuntu for Android?"
[20:37] <bazhang> does not exist?
[20:37] <ikonia> that's got popey 's name all over it for reference
[20:37] <bazhang> yep
[20:38] <popey> heh
[20:39] <popey> hilariously my wifi _just_ dropped immediately after i said 'heh'
[20:40] <Silverlion> wb popey
[20:40] <popey> ☺
[20:40] <LjL> bazhang: tbh i don't see a problem either suggesting other OS's when they may genuinely be more suitable. i always say "if you're into games a lot, perhaps better to use Windows", for instance.
[20:40] <ikonia> LjL: it's valid, ubuntu / linux can't tick all the boxes for some peoples needs
[20:40] <LjL> and yes, that's called common sense, suggesting an alternative when suitable instead of sticking to "but it's only strictly about Ubuntu here"
[20:41] <ikonia> supporting an ubuntu user can be saying "maybe ubuntu isn't the best move for you"
[20:41] <ikonia> however just screaming "arch FTW" for every question is garbage
[20:41] <LjL> yes
[20:41] <LjL> yes
[20:41] <ikonia> "I want to update xorg" "try gentoo" - no
[20:41] <bazhang> LjL, lubuntu is the obvious choice. crunchbang is not a good choice at all. and it's not supported
[20:41] <ikonia> bazhang: you're right, however lubuntu is so new, maybe he didn't know ?
[20:42] <tsimpson> SupportersGuide needs changing then ;)
[20:42] <ikonia> I know I missed lubuntu getting developed until it was at a useful stage, then I found it
[20:42] <LjL> tsimpson: yes, i meant to object to that part.
[20:42] <AlanBell> it says "The user came to the channel to solve their problem in Ubuntu so avoid pushing people away to operating systems that are not recognised derivatives of Ubuntu http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/derivatives"
[20:42] <ikonia> agreed, if it can be solved in ubuntu, fix it
[20:43] <AlanBell> it isn't stronger than "avoid" I don't want to say "never"
[20:43] <ikonia> I'll cut the lubuntu guy some slack though as it is still quite new and not as well publicised as possible could/should be
[20:43] <ikonia> AlanBell: avoid is fine, I like it's current wording
[20:44] <LjL> AlanBell: also "pushing people away" is one thing, "suggesting" is another. am i pushing people away by saying "if you really want to play commercial games, Ubuntu might not be suitable and maybe you're better off with Windows"?
[20:45] <LjL> if a user will say he wants to be able to compile everything from source in an automated fashion, i'll tell them to consider using Gentoo (not like that happens often, but just an example)
[20:46] <LjL> there's a fine line between "only supporting Ubuntu" and "creating a channel of zealots", you know
[20:47] <ikonia> Ubuntu FTW
[20:47] <ikonia> woot ubuntu
[20:48] <bazhang> he shouldn't be offering help as he is not following the direction of either distro then
[20:49] <AlanBell> LjL: well I would suggest people get a Wii or playstation or something if they want to play games
[20:49] <AlanBell> but anyhow, I don't want to deal with every specific example, common sense is still available :)
[20:50] <AlanBell> just don't want people arriving and being told to go use $otherdistro for no good reason
[20:50] <bazhang> one would imagine someone with a ubuntu members cloak could at least keep up at a minimum
[20:50] <Jordan_U> Though when I say a link to a pic from 4chan in #ubuntu I was expecting a lot worse :)
[20:52] <Jordan_U> s/say/saw/
 ok - I'm sure this channel's been flooded with this request, but where can I download Ubuntu-for-Android so that I can run it on my Nexus Prime?
[22:24] <bazhang> does not exist?
[22:25] <bazhang> why are people continually mentioning this as though it is real?
[22:26] <ikonia> bazhang: it is "real" canonical have a web site up about it
[22:26] <ikonia> the web site just says nothing beyond "check this out, it's real!"
[22:26] <Myrtti> and the email
[22:26] <bazhang> ikonia, with actual working beta to download
[22:26] <AlanBell> would only run on the motorola if it was available
[22:26] <ikonia> bazhang: is there a download ?
[22:26] <ikonia> bazhang: the website doesn't say one
[22:26] <bazhang> ikonia, thats my question
[22:26] <ikonia> ahh. no
[22:26] <ikonia> it's not released yet
[22:27] <ikonia> it's vapour ware in terms of availability, and release dates,
[22:27] <bazhang> and everyone is re-directing to #ubuntu-phone
[22:27] <ikonia> I agree, it's pointless
[22:27] <popey> vapourware is a somewhat pajorative term
[22:27] <ikonia> just people saying "when can I download this" in the channel
[22:27] <ikonia> popey: it wasn't intended to be,
[22:27] <bazhang> trickle down support
[22:27] <ikonia> but in terms of public availability - it doesn't exist
[22:28] <popey> especially when I had one in my hand last week
[22:28] <ikonia> and in terms of information, it doesn't exist
[22:28] <popey> this is why I'm trying to get the FAQ completed
[22:28] <ikonia> I know
[22:28] <bazhang> you by a phone with it then? not something you could ever download and install yourself
[22:29] <bazhang> err buy
[22:29] <ikonia> bazhang: at this time...who knowsx
[22:29] <bazhang> presumably popey
[22:29] <ikonia> just wait for ino
[22:29] <ikonia> info
[22:29] <ikonia> damn batteries are dying on keyboard now
[22:30] <popey> well, thats exactly what we did
[22:30] <popey> buy a phone and crowbar ubuntu onto it
[22:30] <popey> so yeah, it's something you could do, given we did it
[22:31] <bazhang> and it will be available gratis
[22:31] <popey> no idea
[22:31] <bazhang> drm free
[22:31] <Silverlion> gratis is a word i know ^^ and like