[00:05] <Len-1204> knome, you are welcome, our menu files are a bit of a mess...
[00:06] <knome> :)
[00:10] <Len-1204> I think I will actually import the xubuntu file and edit/rename it.
[00:11] <Len-1204> Because our menu file has as much "funny" stuff as it does, I will probably comment it a bit more though.
[00:11] <Len-1204> It is handy having xubuntu on one drive and US12.04 on the other.
[00:14]  * knome is off for now
[00:14] <knome> see you later :)
[01:59] <Len-1204> ScottL, the menu file belongs in ubuntustudio-default-settings. How do I set up a bzr branch... first and second how do I set up a package that will not interfere with the settings package?
[02:01] <Len-1204> I could take over the menus file.... but it might be nice to leave it around as backup.
[02:03] <Len-1204> Anyway, gone for a minute to reboot. I think I have the menu done.
[02:09] <Len-1204> ScottL, I have removed the start file for menus as well as renaming the merge file.
[02:10] <Len-1204> after rebooting we seem to be using the one file in /etc/xdg/xdg-ubuntustudio/menus
[03:06] <ScottL> Len-1204, we can put the menu files into whatever package we want, we have it currently in the ubuntustudio-menu package and xubuntu has it in xubuntu-default-settings
[03:06] <ScottL> to streamline the process, i would suggest we just keep the menu in ubuntustudio-menu for now
[03:07] <ScottL> we always have the revisions in launchpad if we need to revert to a previous version
[03:08] <Len-1204> ScottL, Ok, what do I need to do to have access?
[03:09] <Len-1204>  I think I need to reboot to a permanent account so I can do an ssh key thing.
[03:15] <Len-1204> Time to reboot
[03:20] <ScottL> len-nb,  my suggestion would be to use bzr to pull the branch for ubuntustudio-menu
[03:20] <len-nb> Pull?
[03:21] <len-nb> ScottL, i thought I was putting stuff in it...
[03:21] <ScottL> aye, you are going to push, but not before pulling
[03:21] <len-nb> I have to get ssh stuff figured out first...
[03:22] <ScottL> because this is a version control system you want to pull the bzr branch from the main trunk first
[03:22] <len-nb> So they know I am who I am... whoever that is.
[03:22] <ScottL> no problem, but i'll still type this because i will probably be away from irc for a bit with the family
[03:22] <ScottL> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio/ubuntustudio-menu says to 
[03:22] <ScottL> Get this branch:
[03:22] <ScottL>     bzr branch lp:~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio/ubuntustudio-menu 
[03:23] <len-nb> Ok,
[03:23] <len-nb> Does it end up on my system then?
[03:23] <ScottL> yes
[03:23] <len-nb> Or my own branch on theirs
[03:23] <len-nb> ok
[03:23] <ScottL> you will have a local copy of the code that you can change
[03:24] <ScottL> then you will push it to your own branch under your launchpad id
[03:24] <len-nb> ok
[03:24] <ScottL> also, you will probably want to set 'bzr whoami' as well
[03:24] <len-nb> ok
[03:24] <ScottL> and also 'bzr launchpad-login' or similar
[03:25] <len-nb> I have a login with them already
[03:25] <len-nb> or is this different?
[03:26] <ScottL> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaunchpadStepByStepInstructions is an okay tutorial
[03:26] <ScottL> bzr whoami 'Your Name email@example.com'
[03:27] <len-nb> I may have that already too. It spits that out when I login
[03:27] <ScottL> http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/beta/en/tutorials/using_bazaar_with_launchpad.html#publishing-your-changes
[03:27] <ScottL> this shows the launchpad login (which i think allows you to push to launchpad)
[03:28] <ScottL> and right below that section is the pushing to your own branch as well
[03:29] <len-nb> I could ask more questions, but it is prolly best if I work through the tut.. and stumble though
[03:29] <len-nb> I think you have given me enough.
[03:30] <len-nb> I'm going to try setting up the account and branch under my account first then pull and push.
[03:35] <len-nb> Anyone... I got two different ways of making an ssh key thrown at me
[03:36] <len-nb> when I try to make my own code branch it asks for rsa and the tutorial says dsa.
[03:37] <len-nb> what is the difference? and dose it matter which kind I use?
[03:37] <len-nb> s/dose/does
[03:58] <len-nb> bzr pull seems to be telling me I have to have a user called ubuntustudio-dev
[04:14] <len-nb> Ok, I used branch. I have a copy on my drive.... busy messing it up
[04:15] <len-nb> Then I guess I put it in my own branch and tell you it is there.
[04:35]  * micahg waves to ScottL
[07:47] <len-nb> ScottL: https://code.launchpad.net/~len-ovenwerks/+junk/ubuntustudio-menu
[07:48] <len-nb> Off to bed
[09:43] <saidinesh5> hehe
[15:00]  * ScottL waves back at micahg 
[15:00] <ScottL> micahg, i have the copyright file, but i have a concern
[15:00] <ScottL> the original image (start-here.svg) was in the ubuntustudio-icon-theme package....checking on version
[15:03] <ScottL> ubuntustudio-icon-theme version 58 in bzr
[15:03] <len> ScottL, good morning
[15:03] <ScottL> there is a copyright file but i can't tell who should be attributed to the image
[15:03] <ScottL> good morning len 
[15:04] <len> I don't know if you saw things or not. I have only one question though.
[15:04] <len> does it matter who the owner on the files is? does it matter what group does it matter what permitions?
[15:05] <len> LP doesn't show any of that.
[15:05] <ScottL> i have not had to worry about that, len, so i suspect it does not
[15:05] <ScottL> as to why...i can't say thoughn
[15:05] <len> Makes sense as it is all copied by root.
[15:06] <len> Ok menus is done then.
[15:06] <len> ScottL, you will do the copy from where it is?
[15:09] <len> I don't know if it matters, but the copyright is set up to the person who first made the package... I don't know that there is anything in there that is original ;-)
[15:10] <len>  Maybe a few *.directory files
[15:13] <len> Does the copy right have to be a person? If it could be the project that would mean less worries.
[15:20] <len> All, The Meetings page lists the "next" meeting as last week. Is there one this week and where?
[15:21] <len> Speaking of the Meeting web page... the top still says first sunday of the month which last week was not. Should the web page be changed?
[16:24] <ScottL> len, i'm not up to date on how copyright files should be handled
[16:24] <ScottL> len, re: meeting - nobody is keeping up with the meeting wiki page and we had decided to do every 2nd week for meeting but that has fallen through mostly so i don't know how the meeting announcement should go at this time
[16:25]  * ScottL is off to the store, this is my weekend that i'm taking care of a lot of yard work
[17:31] <len> OK, I off to do stuff too.
[17:38]  * astraljava notices our meetings aren't effectively no more.
[18:58] <shnatsel> meeting? what? where?
[19:25] <astraljava> *sigh* bi-weekly formal, and alternating informal. But yeah, seems no one cares anymore.
[19:26] <astraljava> I shouldn't complain, though. I'm going to drop my contribution significantly, anyway.
[19:49] <micahg> ScottL: yeah, I'm not sure either, that was part of my hesitation in uploading originally
[21:00] <ScottL> micahg, there was a single copyright file with those images, i can make an authors file explaining that i created the images based on a previous image that is one of the other authors listed and even link to the original version of the code
[21:00] <ScottL> micahg, shouldn't that take care of the copyright (and author) file(s)?
[21:01] <micahg> yes, as long as we know who created and owns the copyright and what license's they're usable unser
[21:01] <micahg> created is less important than owns the copyright
[21:02] <ScottL> well, the original authors file listed a lot of authors but doesn't attribute to a particular image
[21:02] <ScottL> however, the copyright appears to be the same for all of them
[21:03] <ScottL> i'll be happy to license my work under the same (after i make sure it isn't something like MIT or other crazy one) to make it simple
[21:03] <ScottL> micahg, with ^^^ allow us to move forward then?
[21:04] <micahg> I think so
[21:05] <ScottL> okay, is there any reason that i can't update (or pull) the branch from bzr and add this?  (i.e. did you have other changes)
[21:05] <micahg> I pushed everything up IIRC
[21:06] <ScottL> okay, doing this now
[21:08] <micahg> I won't be able to upload for a few more hours, so no rush
[21:14] <len> ScottL, is the menu going to be included? or not yet? Maybe one thing at a time.
[21:49] <ScottL> len, i would say let's keep the menu in the menu package
[21:50] <ScottL> len, i would like to include it but i don't think we have time to get it by monday
[21:50] <ScottL> micahg, i have pushed to default-settings to bzr
[21:56] <len> I have left in the same package ScottL I think we will all be happy to have something that has X again right now.
[21:57] <ScottL> len, i don't think it's the menu package that is causing the loss of x, it was the lightdm configuration (which was in the -default-settings package) that was causing problem, i believe
[21:58] <ScottL> len, i'm sorry, i completely misread your statement
[21:58] <ScottL> disregard my previous statement
[22:00] <len> No prob. I'm going to finish what I have for panels. I want to have a clear drive for installs again this week.
[22:01] <len> I will do two sets. One with a second panel as on my web page and one without so it doesn't haunt us...
[22:02] <len> In both cases the clock will be replaced with orage. but look the same.... unless otherwise requested.
[22:03] <len> The main reason I wanted to be here for the meeting today was to see if there was a firm thought one way or the other about the second panel.
[22:05] <len> BTW I don't care if you use my panel setup (either one) I just spent some time on it and feel I shouldn't just toss it.
[22:06] <len> The panel stuff would be part of the settings package as it all ends up in /etc/xdg/xdg-ubuntustudio/xfce (i think.
[22:07] <len> I can email the few files, or set up a branch in my login. Your choice...
[23:07] <len-nb> ScottL, Just checking through things to see what I could pull to base panel settings on.
[23:08] <len-nb> ScottL, found the settings package, but looking through things it looks like the menu files have already been merged into settings.
[23:09] <len-nb> Warning, if you grab my branch for menus and install it beside the current settings I think things may end up broken again.
[23:11] <len-nb> So it looks like ubuntustudio-settings and ubuntustudio-menus are no longer compatible.