sreichi must commend you guys on your installer, it's very slick00:00
sreichfedora's is really terrible00:00
Riddellbulldog98: I don't know, you'd need to ask ossi00:01
sreichask ossi about what/00:01
JontheEchidnaa temporary way to remove the open-tty-on-shutdown warning for the live cd00:02
sreichjust kdmrc00:02
* Riddell snoozes00:03
sreichi don't think there's like a "run once" kind of way of doing that00:03
sreichdunno how livecd's actually work, but can't you just use the original when installing00:03
sreichso the livecd doesn't have it,  but the real install does?00:03
JontheEchidnayeah, there might be a way to do that00:04
sreichi'm assuming there are pre-installation scripts or something00:04
sreichhm, i wonder what kdmctl could do...00:05
sreichrbelem: sorry to ask you this again, but what were the sources to put in /etc/sources.lst for oneiric?00:11
sreichrbelem: was that specific only to the chroot?00:12
sreichor do i need that if i'm going to try and get the sources and build a package on kubuntu 4.800:12
sreichah, ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports should work perhaps00:34
sreichhm, after installing ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports, I receive  libkactivities6 : Depends: libkactivities-bin (= 4:4.8.0-0ubuntu1~oneiric1~ppa1) but it is not going to be installed00:49
sreichsame for kde-runtime : Depends: kde-runtime-data (>= 4:4.7.4-0ubuntu0.1)00:49
sreichfull error list: http://paste.kde.org/430016/00:57
sreichah, managed to fix it02:02
rbelemheya sreich 02:50
sreichwent the vm route and gave up  :D02:51
sreichsince it had some failure02:51
sreichbut the vm works great02:51
rbelemsreich, what were the errors?03:10
sreichcan't remember ;)03:11
rbelemRiddell, i uploaded to kubuntu-active ppa the plasma-mobile package with the fix04:34
CIA-42[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kactivities] Philip Muškovac * 8 * debian/ (changelog control) Add breaks/replaces for libkactivities-bin against kde-runtime-data07:01
yofelsreich: fixed, thanks07:03
CIA-42[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kactivities] Philip Muškovac * 9 * debian/ (changelog control) add some more breaks/replaces07:32
Riddellrbelem: plasma-mobile is uploaded, waiting for it to get published to see if we can build images10:14
Riddellit'll need the xsession file at least before the images are any use10:15
Peace- this is kubuntu xD http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/27/plasma-desktopfm1802.png10:33
RiddellPeace-: how do I set my taskbar buttons to be icons only?10:35
RiddellI'm yet to find that setting10:35
Peace-Riddell: icontask widget?10:39
Riddelloh i see, it's a separate widget10:39
Peace-Riddell: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/27/plasma-desktopNj1802.png10:40
Peace-Riddell: btw just run desktop console 10:40
Peace-copy and paste my javascript and click run 10:40
Riddellright got it10:40
Riddellas I suspected, I don't especially like it but I'll give it a try to see if there's anything in it, that is the fashion nowadays10:41
Riddellwhat do the random arrows mean?10:41
Riddelloh one is current window10:41
Peace-Riddell: you use bottom panel or up panel ?10:42
Peace-do you10:42
Riddellbottom panel10:42
Peace-bah maybe you could like chakra style or unkool7 panel 10:44
Riddellbug 915431 for the taking!11:01
ubottuLaunchpad bug 915431 in calligra (Ubuntu Precise) "needs transitional packages for old koffice application names" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91543111:01
schnelleguys new plasma nm is released: http://lamarque-lvs.blogspot.com/2012/02/plasma-nm-090.html11:31
schnelleis it too late for precise?11:31
Riddellthat's what we are targetting for precise11:32
Riddellschnelle: want to package it?11:32
schnelleRiddell: I still don't have time to learn to package :( I am finishing economic studies at the moment11:33
Riddelloh good, you can tell us how to make money when you're done :)11:34
yofelRiddell: I wanted to do NM11:54
Riddellyofel: go go NM powahs!11:57
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RiddellI think this is looking all good http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/precise/kubuntu-active/20120227/livecd-20120227-i386.out12:08
Riddellnew error here http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/kubuntu-active/precise/daily-live-20120227.log12:10
Peace-anyone knows why  here there is bad fonts? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/501061/caratterikde.png12:15
rbelemthanks Riddell 12:17
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BluesKajHiyas all13:37
Peace-BluesKaj: :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJzFTRIfiws13:48
=== greyback|lunch is now known as greyback
BluesKajPeace-,  you like unity don't you ...you keep trying to make kde look like gnome :)13:49
Peace-BluesKaj: i don't like :D but i like how plasma works 13:50
Peace-BluesKaj: i have my personal layout :)13:50
Peace-BluesKaj: it's more.... like... "you see?! unity it's so easy to do with kde xD "13:51
BluesKajPeace-,  ok :)13:54
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ubottuTesting help needed in #kubuntu-devel ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, em15:25
Riddellnew kubuntu alternates http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/208/builds15:26
Riddell!testers 16:09
ubottuTesting help needed in #kubuntu-devel ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, em16:09
Riddellnew images http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20120225/16:09
BluesKajRiddell,  that url 404s16:12
BluesKajlast url16:12
yofelhm, oversized again16:13
Riddellthat's the one16:13
Riddellyofel: well i386 is good so that's progress16:13
Riddelland the new limit is 703MB apparantly so we're close16:13
Riddellgot amd64 now so take a look at what can be sacrifised16:13
yofeltestcases got reset too16:14
yofelI'll take the i386 ones and do some actual hardware testing on my eeePC later16:15
BluesKajdon't think I'll be testing any live cd images , prefer to update upgrade from the repos , since this system has to remain relatively stable16:17
Riddellthanks yofel, mind and mark any tests you are doing in the iso tracket16:18
yofelcould someone with some luks knowledge look at bug 891874?16:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 891874 in kde4libs (Ubuntu) "[Regression] Solid shows LUKS partitions as removable disks" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89187416:22
debfxktorrent is an easy target to free some cd space16:27
BluesKajktorrent is ok , but I prefer the additional options that qbittorrent offers 16:32
yofelif a user wants ktorrent, he has an internet connection, so he can just install it from muon16:33
BluesKajqbittorrent is in the repos as well16:35
* yofel uses rtorrent16:36
* debfx uses http16:36
Riddell11M     ./en/amarok/   that's a lot16:37
debfxwhat about kppp? can the network manager widget do the same?16:37
Riddelldebfx: good question16:38
Riddellyou might have to ask lamont16:38
yofelafaik not16:38
yofelbut I think you can install wvdial from the cd16:38
Riddellyou need to download wvdial (I just tested it)16:39
yofelthen not :/16:40
Riddellagateau: how attached are you to your documentation?  1.6M    ./en/gwenview16:40
Riddell1.4M    ./en/rekonq16:40
Riddellok rekonq needs languages split out16:41
agateauRiddell: can this go to a separate package?16:41
Riddellagateau: that's what I'm thinking16:41
Riddellactualy splitting languages in rekonq doesn't save much16:41
RiddellI think amarok is the clear area to target for more space16:42
yofelhm, shouldn't ubiquity propose a keyboard layout that matches the choosen language?16:50
RiddellI think it does for me, (UK)16:50
yofelwell, for me (DE) it proposes English keyboard16:51
Riddellso maybe it matches your location16:51
yofelI'll file a bug and see16:51
ScottKRiddell: Do you know how the upgrader determines window size?  I filed a bug about one of the screens being overlarge on a netbook and I'll look into fixing it if I had some clue where to start.16:52
RiddellScottK: no, I've never got round to looking into what the best practice is for dialogue size settings and netbooks is16:54
Riddellagateau probably knows16:54
Riddellwhen I asked notmart he didn't know16:54
ScottKRiddell: I think max vertical size ought to be 576 pixels.  I'm not sure where it is now.16:54
ScottKThe ones with displays smaller than that tend to have some local way to pan around a larger screen.16:55
Riddellit needs a settings to say "this is a dialogue and shouldn't be full screen even on a netbook" for the "do you want to upgrade" dialogue16:55
* agateau agrees with ScottK16:55
RiddellI don't even know how to set max size, most of the sizing is automatic16:55
ScottKI see.16:55
Riddellit should also resize after the "terminal" is hidden but I suspect it isn't16:55
ScottKNo wonder I couldn't find anything in the code setting the size.16:56
RiddellScottK: open up the window in qtdesigner and press all the buttons until it works16:56
Riddellassuming it's a .ui file16:56
agateauone can set a max size, but that is usually not a good idea: content will get cropped16:56
ScottKagateau: This is Bug 940789 I'm discussing.16:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 940789 in update-manager (Ubuntu) ""Obsolete packages will be removed" dialogue is too tall for netbook screen with KDE front end" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94078916:57
agateaulast time i ran it, I noticed the installer wastes space on the border with some useless margins, is it still the case?16:57
ScottKI'm sure it hasn't changed.16:58
ScottKThis isn't the installer though, this is the dist-upgrade tool.16:58
agateaudid you take a screenshot?16:58
agateauoh, the dist-upgrade tool16:58
ScottKI didn't, but I can describe it.17:10
yofelanyone from you guys got an idea what's wrong here? http://imgur.com/GSaPx (input field highlight)17:11
ScottKI got the same.17:12
Riddellthat's a plasma issue17:12
* ScottK guessed it was by design, but is probably wrong.17:12
RiddellI've seen it on lightdm too17:12
yofelgot a bug for it?17:12
Riddellit'll be a bug in that plasma widget17:12
Riddellno sorry17:12
yofelI'll check later then17:12
agateauyofel: I have the same problem with lightdm: it looks like the rectangle which draws the focus halo is not scaled correctly17:14
agateauyofel: maybe ping people on #plasma?17:14
yofelcan do that too17:14
Riddellanyone able to recreate this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/94210217:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 942102 in kde4libs (Ubuntu) "Notifications have no alert sounds" [Undecided,New]17:22
Riddellapachelogger: that a known issue upstream?17:22
Riddell4.5M    amarok-common_2.5.0-0ubuntu5_all.deb17:24
Riddellmuch better than 11MB17:24
Riddelldebfx, yofel: I think I'll upload amarok with the en docs split out17:24
Riddellafter beta we'll need to look into how to get them installable by people who want it17:24
yofelthose are used nowhere in the default UI?17:24
Riddellyofel: sound notifications?17:25
Riddellk3b finished burning17:25
Riddellquassel I think17:25
yofelno, the amarok docs17:25
Riddelloh well if you do Help->Handbook in amarok yes17:26
yofelah, if it's just the handbook then ok17:26
Riddellwe could also look at reducing the rediculously large images in that handbook17:26
RiddellMamarok ^^17:26
ScottKDoesn't the image compression thing we have do that anyway?17:29
RiddellScottK: I mean reduce from 1024x768 to 300x200 for example17:30
Riddellfull screen images are no good in khelpcentre17:30
* Riddell disables kubuntu tests in iso tracker17:34
yofelRiddell: why?17:36
MamarokRiddell: those images are in userbase17:36
MamarokRiddell: it might be useful to ask Yuri who did the conversion if he can only import the reduced ones17:37
Mamarokas these are the big image you only see when you click on it in the wiki17:37
Riddellyofel: to rebuild for smaller amarok17:38
yofelah, ok17:38
RiddellI'm off for the evening, skaet should rebuild for new kubuntu17:39
CIA-42[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/meta-kde] Philip Muškovac * 29 * debian/ (changelog rules) kde 4.817:49
CIA-42[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/meta-kde] Philip Muškovac * 30 * debian/ (changelog control rules) * Replace suggests on koffice with calligra and adjust versioning (LP: #941875) * Don't suggest kde-l10n which doesn't exist in kubuntu17:58
Tm_TI should steal^W lend some hardware from work for testing purposes18:39
ScottKRiddell: amarok with the new binary accepted.18:49
ScottK(still waiting on other archs to build, however)18:49
debfxRiddell: I think we should ship all the documentation for languages that are on the cd. reducing the image sizes (could be done during the package build) or dropping ktorrent sounds much better to me.19:01
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mgraesslinbulldog98: see https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/104099/ - identi.ca seems broken :-)20:43
bulldog98mgraesslin: thanks20:43
apacheloggerbulldog98: guilty of what?22:55
apacheloggeryofel: I got sicked out, so no plymouth yet22:56
apacheloggerRiddell: notify sounds ... yes, but not my upstream :P22:58
apacheloggeroh cool23:02
apacheloggerso muon updater decides that it does not want to update the cache before doing the actual upgrade, thus running into 404s and now it is locked into unusability23:02
apacheloggerwhy that is certainly useful23:02
Riddellapachelogger: yes you can recreate the issue?23:03
apacheloggerwhere is jon the tacko?23:03
apacheloggerRiddell: the notifications?23:03
Riddellapachelogger: sounds from notifications.  are you saying you can recreate the problem (no sound) or are you saying something else?23:03
apacheloggerptrace: Operation not permitted.23:04
apacheloggeroh I do hate my life23:04
apacheloggerRiddell: I am saying the issue is well know and it is broken because of windows :P23:04
apacheloggerdfaure should know the details IIRC23:04
apacheloggerbasically knotify is now doing bogus url handling which results in this problem23:04
apachelogger(fallout from the widely discussed qurl behaviour change)23:05
apacheloggeroh muon-updater now decided that it wants to commence23:05
Riddellapachelogger: aah23:06
apacheloggerhuh, why do I have ardour installed :O23:07
apacheloggerthat should totally be richtexted ^^23:08
apacheloggerRiddell: did someone do print-manager yet?23:09
* apachelogger wanted to try something23:09
Riddellapachelogger: how do you mean "do"?23:09
apacheloggerwell, did someone package it yet?23:09
RiddellI think nixternal tried it out23:09
apacheloggerIIRC you sent a mail23:10
apacheloggerto get it into some ppa23:10
RiddellI haven't seen any packages23:10
Ezimguys/girls I will sadly be gone for a time :(. I do not know how long. 23:15
* Ezim likes his new kubuntu cyber family.23:20
* apachelogger cyberhugs Ezim23:23
apachelogger"The next import is scheduled to run as soon as possible."23:24
apacheloggerwouldn't it be much nicer if lunchpad were using the flipping remote repo -.-23:24
Ezimapachelogger, I will be back with new energy hopefully :) can help around more then support session.23:24
apacheloggerStart in 12 hours (2505) Oo23:32
apachelogger[kubuntu-members] Check if disabling krunner does save memory/log in time : TODO23:58
apacheloggeryes it does?!23:59
apachelogger[kubuntu-members] Reenable krunner in netbook settings, ensure run by kcm workspace changer: TODO23:59
* apachelogger doesn't understand most work items TBH23:59
apachelogger[kubuntu-members] Ensure strigi nepomuk integration works (esp KRunner), check with upstream if they advise to turn on by default : TODO23:59
apacheloggerso what is the deal with krunner?23:59

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