[00:00] <sreich> i must commend you guys on your installer, it's very slick
[00:00] <sreich> fedora's is really terrible
[00:00] <Riddell> :)
[00:01] <Riddell> bulldog98: I don't know, you'd need to ask ossi
[00:01] <sreich> ask ossi about what/
[00:02] <JontheEchidna> a temporary way to remove the open-tty-on-shutdown warning for the live cd
[00:02] <sreich> just kdmrc
[00:03]  * Riddell snoozes
[00:03] <sreich> i don't think there's like a "run once" kind of way of doing that
[00:03] <sreich> dunno how livecd's actually work, but can't you just use the original when installing
[00:03] <sreich> so the livecd doesn't have it,  but the real install does?
[00:04] <JontheEchidna> yeah, there might be a way to do that
[00:04] <sreich> i'm assuming there are pre-installation scripts or something
[00:05] <sreich> hm, i wonder what kdmctl could do...
[00:11] <sreich> rbelem: sorry to ask you this again, but what were the sources to put in /etc/sources.lst for oneiric?
[00:12] <sreich> rbelem: was that specific only to the chroot?
[00:12] <sreich> or do i need that if i'm going to try and get the sources and build a package on kubuntu 4.8
[00:34] <sreich> ah, ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports should work perhaps
[00:49] <sreich> hm, after installing ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports, I receive  libkactivities6 : Depends: libkactivities-bin (= 4:4.8.0-0ubuntu1~oneiric1~ppa1) but it is not going to be installed
[00:49] <sreich> same for kde-runtime : Depends: kde-runtime-data (>= 4:4.7.4-0ubuntu0.1)
[00:57] <sreich> full error list: http://paste.kde.org/430016/
[02:02] <sreich> ah, managed to fix it
[02:50] <rbelem> heya sreich 
[02:51] <sreich> hello
[02:51] <sreich> went the vm route and gave up  :D
[02:51] <sreich> since it had some failure
[02:51] <sreich> but the vm works great
[03:10] <rbelem> sreich, what were the errors?
[03:11] <sreich> can't remember ;)
[03:21] <rbelem> :-)
[04:34] <rbelem> Riddell, i uploaded to kubuntu-active ppa the plasma-mobile package with the fix
[07:01] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kactivities] Philip Muškovac * 8 * debian/ (changelog control) Add breaks/replaces for libkactivities-bin against kde-runtime-data
[07:03] <yofel> sreich: fixed, thanks
[07:32] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kactivities] Philip Muškovac * 9 * debian/ (changelog control) add some more breaks/replaces
[07:35] <Riddell> morning
[10:14] <Riddell> rbelem: plasma-mobile is uploaded, waiting for it to get published to see if we can build images
[10:15] <Riddell> it'll need the xsession file at least before the images are any use
[10:33] <Peace->  this is kubuntu xD http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/27/plasma-desktopfm1802.png
[10:35] <Riddell> Peace-: how do I set my taskbar buttons to be icons only?
[10:35] <Riddell> I'm yet to find that setting
[10:39] <Peace-> Riddell: icontask widget?
[10:39] <Riddell> oh i see, it's a separate widget
[10:40] <Peace-> Riddell: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/27/plasma-desktopNj1802.png
[10:40] <Peace-> Riddell: btw just run desktop console 
[10:40] <Peace-> copy and paste my javascript and click run 
[10:40] <Peace-> :)
[10:40] <Riddell> right got it
[10:41] <Riddell> as I suspected, I don't especially like it but I'll give it a try to see if there's anything in it, that is the fashion nowadays
[10:41] <Riddell> what do the random arrows mean?
[10:41] <Riddell> oh one is current window
[10:42] <Peace-> Riddell: you use bottom panel or up panel ?
[10:42] <Peace-> do you
[10:42] <Riddell> bottom panel
[10:44] <Peace-> bah maybe you could like chakra style or unkool7 panel 
[11:01] <Riddell> bug 915431 for the taking!
[11:31] <schnelle> guys new plasma nm is released: http://lamarque-lvs.blogspot.com/2012/02/plasma-nm-090.html
[11:31] <schnelle> is it too late for precise?
[11:32] <Riddell> that's what we are targetting for precise
[11:32] <Riddell> schnelle: want to package it?
[11:33] <schnelle> Riddell: I still don't have time to learn to package :( I am finishing economic studies at the moment
[11:34] <Riddell> oh good, you can tell us how to make money when you're done :)
[11:35] <schnelle> :)
[11:54] <yofel> Riddell: I wanted to do NM
[11:57] <Riddell> yofel: go go NM powahs!
[12:08] <Riddell> I think this is looking all good http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/precise/kubuntu-active/20120227/livecd-20120227-i386.out
[12:10] <Riddell> new error here http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/kubuntu-active/precise/daily-live-20120227.log
[12:15] <Peace-> anyone knows why  here there is bad fonts? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/501061/caratterikde.png
[12:17] <rbelem> thanks Riddell 
[13:37] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:48] <Peace-> BluesKaj: :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJzFTRIfiws
[13:49] <BluesKaj> Peace-,  you like unity don't you ...you keep trying to make kde look like gnome :)
[13:50] <Peace-> BluesKaj: i don't like :D but i like how plasma works 
[13:50] <Peace-> BluesKaj: i have my personal layout :)
[13:51] <Peace-> BluesKaj: it's more.... like... "you see?! unity it's so easy to do with kde xD "
[13:54] <BluesKaj> Peace-,  ok :)
[15:25] <Riddell> !testers
[15:26] <Riddell> new kubuntu alternates http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/208/builds
[16:09] <Riddell> !testers 
[16:09] <Riddell> new images http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20120225/
[16:12] <BluesKaj> Riddell,  that url 404s
[16:12] <BluesKaj> last url
[16:13] <yofel> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20120227.1/
[16:13] <yofel> hm, oversized again
[16:13] <Riddell> that's the one
[16:13] <Riddell> yofel: well i386 is good so that's progress
[16:13] <Riddell> and the new limit is 703MB apparantly so we're close
[16:13] <Riddell> got amd64 now so take a look at what can be sacrifised
[16:14] <yofel> testcases got reset too
[16:14] <yofel> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/208/builds
[16:15] <yofel> I'll take the i386 ones and do some actual hardware testing on my eeePC later
[16:17] <BluesKaj> don't think I'll be testing any live cd images , prefer to update upgrade from the repos , since this system has to remain relatively stable
[16:18] <Riddell> thanks yofel, mind and mark any tests you are doing in the iso tracket
[16:19] <yofel> sure
[16:22] <yofel> could someone with some luks knowledge look at bug 891874?
[16:27] <debfx> ktorrent is an easy target to free some cd space
[16:32] <BluesKaj> ktorrent is ok , but I prefer the additional options that qbittorrent offers 
[16:33] <yofel> if a user wants ktorrent, he has an internet connection, so he can just install it from muon
[16:35] <BluesKaj> qbittorrent is in the repos as well
[16:36]  * yofel uses rtorrent
[16:36]  * debfx uses http
[16:37] <Riddell> 11M     ./en/amarok/   that's a lot
[16:37] <debfx> what about kppp? can the network manager widget do the same?
[16:38] <BluesKaj> kget\
[16:38] <Riddell> debfx: good question
[16:38] <Riddell> you might have to ask lamont
[16:38] <Riddell> (upstream)
[16:38] <yofel> afaik not
[16:38] <yofel> but I think you can install wvdial from the cd
[16:39] <Riddell> you need to download wvdial (I just tested it)
[16:40] <yofel> then not :/
[16:40] <Riddell> agateau: how attached are you to your documentation?  1.6M    ./en/gwenview
[16:40] <Riddell> 1.4M    ./en/rekonq
[16:41] <Riddell> ok rekonq needs languages split out
[16:41] <agateau> Riddell: can this go to a separate package?
[16:41] <Riddell> agateau: that's what I'm thinking
[16:41] <Riddell> actualy splitting languages in rekonq doesn't save much
[16:42] <Riddell> I think amarok is the clear area to target for more space
[16:50] <yofel> hm, shouldn't ubiquity propose a keyboard layout that matches the choosen language?
[16:50] <Riddell> yes
[16:50] <Riddell> I think it does for me, (UK)
[16:51] <yofel> well, for me (DE) it proposes English keyboard
[16:51] <Riddell> so maybe it matches your location
[16:51] <yofel> I'll file a bug and see
[16:52] <ScottK> Riddell: Do you know how the upgrader determines window size?  I filed a bug about one of the screens being overlarge on a netbook and I'll look into fixing it if I had some clue where to start.
[16:54] <Riddell> ScottK: no, I've never got round to looking into what the best practice is for dialogue size settings and netbooks is
[16:54] <Riddell> agateau probably knows
[16:54] <Riddell> when I asked notmart he didn't know
[16:54] <ScottK> Riddell: I think max vertical size ought to be 576 pixels.  I'm not sure where it is now.
[16:55] <ScottK> The ones with displays smaller than that tend to have some local way to pan around a larger screen.
[16:55] <Riddell> it needs a settings to say "this is a dialogue and shouldn't be full screen even on a netbook" for the "do you want to upgrade" dialogue
[16:55]  * agateau agrees with ScottK
[16:55] <Riddell> I don't even know how to set max size, most of the sizing is automatic
[16:55] <ScottK> I see.
[16:55] <Riddell> it should also resize after the "terminal" is hidden but I suspect it isn't
[16:56] <ScottK> No wonder I couldn't find anything in the code setting the size.
[16:56] <Riddell> ScottK: open up the window in qtdesigner and press all the buttons until it works
[16:56] <Riddell> assuming it's a .ui file
[16:56] <agateau> one can set a max size, but that is usually not a good idea: content will get cropped
[16:57] <ScottK> agateau: This is Bug 940789 I'm discussing.
[16:57] <agateau> last time i ran it, I noticed the installer wastes space on the border with some useless margins, is it still the case?
[16:58] <ScottK> I'm sure it hasn't changed.
[16:58] <ScottK> This isn't the installer though, this is the dist-upgrade tool.
[16:58] <agateau> did you take a screenshot?
[16:58] <agateau> oh, the dist-upgrade tool
[17:10] <ScottK> I didn't, but I can describe it.
[17:11] <yofel> anyone from you guys got an idea what's wrong here? http://imgur.com/GSaPx (input field highlight)
[17:12] <ScottK> I got the same.
[17:12] <Riddell> that's a plasma issue
[17:12]  * ScottK guessed it was by design, but is probably wrong.
[17:12] <Riddell> I've seen it on lightdm too
[17:12] <yofel> got a bug for it?
[17:12] <Riddell> it'll be a bug in that plasma widget
[17:12] <Riddell> no sorry
[17:12] <yofel> I'll check later then
[17:14] <agateau> yofel: I have the same problem with lightdm: it looks like the rectangle which draws the focus halo is not scaled correctly
[17:14] <agateau> yofel: maybe ping people on #plasma?
[17:14] <yofel> can do that too
[17:22] <Riddell> anyone able to recreate this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/942102
[17:22] <Riddell> apachelogger: that a known issue upstream?
[17:24] <Riddell> 4.5M    amarok-common_2.5.0-0ubuntu5_all.deb
[17:24] <Riddell> much better than 11MB
[17:24] <Riddell> debfx, yofel: I think I'll upload amarok with the en docs split out
[17:24] <Riddell> after beta we'll need to look into how to get them installable by people who want it
[17:24] <yofel> those are used nowhere in the default UI?
[17:25] <Riddell> yofel: sound notifications?
[17:25] <Riddell> k3b finished burning
[17:25] <Riddell> quassel I think
[17:25] <yofel> no, the amarok docs
[17:26] <Riddell> oh well if you do Help->Handbook in amarok yes
[17:26] <yofel> ah, if it's just the handbook then ok
[17:26] <Riddell> we could also look at reducing the rediculously large images in that handbook
[17:26] <Riddell> Mamarok ^^
[17:29] <ScottK> Doesn't the image compression thing we have do that anyway?
[17:30] <Riddell> ScottK: I mean reduce from 1024x768 to 300x200 for example
[17:30] <ScottK> Oh.
[17:30] <Riddell> full screen images are no good in khelpcentre
[17:34]  * Riddell disables kubuntu tests in iso tracker
[17:36] <yofel> Riddell: why?
[17:36] <Mamarok> Riddell: those images are in userbase
[17:37] <Mamarok> Riddell: it might be useful to ask Yuri who did the conversion if he can only import the reduced ones
[17:37] <Mamarok> as these are the big image you only see when you click on it in the wiki
[17:38] <Riddell> yofel: to rebuild for smaller amarok
[17:38] <yofel> ah, ok
[17:39] <Riddell> I'm off for the evening, skaet should rebuild for new kubuntu
[17:49] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/meta-kde] Philip Muškovac * 29 * debian/ (changelog rules) kde 4.8
[17:58] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/meta-kde] Philip Muškovac * 30 * debian/ (changelog control rules) * Replace suggests on koffice with calligra and adjust versioning (LP: #941875) * Don't suggest kde-l10n which doesn't exist in kubuntu
[18:38] <Tm_T> hm
[18:39] <Tm_T> I should steal^W lend some hardware from work for testing purposes
[18:49] <ScottK> Riddell: amarok with the new binary accepted.
[18:49] <ScottK> (still waiting on other archs to build, however)
[19:01] <debfx> Riddell: I think we should ship all the documentation for languages that are on the cd. reducing the image sizes (could be done during the package build) or dropping ktorrent sounds much better to me.
[20:43] <mgraesslin> bulldog98: see https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/104099/ - identi.ca seems broken :-)
[20:43] <bulldog98> mgraesslin: thanks
[22:55] <apachelogger> bulldog98: guilty of what?
[22:56] <apachelogger> yofel: I got sicked out, so no plymouth yet
[22:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: notify sounds ... yes, but not my upstream :P
[23:02] <apachelogger> oh cool
[23:02] <apachelogger> so muon updater decides that it does not want to update the cache before doing the actual upgrade, thus running into 404s and now it is locked into unusability
[23:02] <apachelogger> why that is certainly useful
[23:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes you can recreate the issue?
[23:03] <apachelogger> where is jon the tacko?
[23:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: the notifications?
[23:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: sounds from notifications.  are you saying you can recreate the problem (no sound) or are you saying something else?
[23:04] <apachelogger> ptrace: Operation not permitted.
[23:04] <apachelogger> oh I do hate my life
[23:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am saying the issue is well know and it is broken because of windows :P
[23:04] <apachelogger> dfaure should know the details IIRC
[23:04] <apachelogger> basically knotify is now doing bogus url handling which results in this problem
[23:05] <apachelogger> (fallout from the widely discussed qurl behaviour change)
[23:05] <apachelogger> oh muon-updater now decided that it wants to commence
[23:05] <apachelogger> Oo
[23:06] <Riddell> apachelogger: aah
[23:07] <apachelogger> huh, why do I have ardour installed :O
[23:07] <apachelogger> oh
[23:07] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/28/plasma-desktopJX2497.png
[23:07] <apachelogger> boooh
[23:08] <apachelogger> that should totally be richtexted ^^
[23:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: did someone do print-manager yet?
[23:09]  * apachelogger wanted to try something
[23:09] <Riddell> apachelogger: how do you mean "do"?
[23:09] <apachelogger> well, did someone package it yet?
[23:09] <Riddell> I think nixternal tried it out
[23:10] <apachelogger> IIRC you sent a mail
[23:10] <apachelogger> to get it into some ppa
[23:10] <Riddell> I haven't seen any packages
[23:10] <apachelogger> ok
[23:15] <Ezim> guys/girls I will sadly be gone for a time :(. I do not know how long. 
[23:20]  * Ezim likes his new kubuntu cyber family.
[23:23]  * apachelogger cyberhugs Ezim
[23:24] <apachelogger> "The next import is scheduled to run as soon as possible."
[23:24] <apachelogger> wouldn't it be much nicer if lunchpad were using the flipping remote repo -.-
[23:24] <apachelogger> G
[23:24] <Ezim> apachelogger, I will be back with new energy hopefully :) can help around more then support session.
[23:32] <apachelogger> Start in 12 hours (2505) Oo
[23:41] <apachelogger> launchpad--
[23:58] <apachelogger> [kubuntu-members] Check if disabling krunner does save memory/log in time : TODO
[23:58] <apachelogger> Oo
[23:59] <apachelogger> yes it does?!
[23:59] <apachelogger> [kubuntu-members] Reenable krunner in netbook settings, ensure run by kcm workspace changer: TODO
[23:59] <apachelogger> why?!
[23:59]  * apachelogger doesn't understand most work items TBH
[23:59] <apachelogger> [kubuntu-members] Ensure strigi nepomuk integration works (esp KRunner), check with upstream if they advise to turn on by default : TODO
[23:59] <apachelogger> so what is the deal with krunner?