[00:04] <blud2_> what does lubuntu use again.. um, not gdm, not lightdm..?
[00:06] <Unit193> LXDM.
[01:57] <bludshot> when i turned on my computer, it was saying Checking for running unattended upgrades, and getting stuck on that. So I booted to recovery and apt-get removed that and rebooted and then it said Could not write bytes: broken pipe. So I rebooted to recovery and did dpkg-reconfigure lxde to see if that fixes it, and now when I turn on the computer i just get a black screen, then a lubuntu loading
[01:57] <bludshot> screen for a split second and then a black screen forever (like more than an hour, presumably forever)
[03:00] <Treat1> Hi, to all
[03:01] <Treat1> I'm having some trouble with Audacious "No decoder" when trying to listen to online radio station,
[03:02] <holstein> Treat1: i would try VLC
[03:02] <holstein> i would try adding some codecs for whatever audio support you need
[03:02] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[03:02] <Treat1> I'm want to stay as close to the original disto as I can
[03:03] <holstein> Treat1: cool
[03:03] <Treat1> when I installed it I checked the Restricted Formats
[03:03] <holstein> then ask for a stream from the provider that doesnt require a codec
[03:04] <holstein> you'll either need to add a decoder, or try a different stream.. but i would do this after trying VLC
[03:04] <Treat1> I would like to get the codec's which ones do I need
[03:05] <holstein> Treat1: not sure... you'll need to check with the stream provider and see what it is.. or just install VLC.. fire up that stream and see what VLC says it is
[03:05] <holstein> you can go from there :)
[03:05] <Treat1> Oh ok you convinced me, I'll get vlc
[03:05] <Treat1> thx
[03:06] <Treat1> Damn, the one time that I thought I'd get by on the bare essentials.:-/
[04:43] <bludshot> i did some stuff to fix some problems, including doing dpkg-reconfigure lxdm   and now when I get into the desktop i have no start menu or task bar
[05:34] <asde> excuse me
[10:07] <Fudge> am now, pace barplaying p ol
[15:13] <karsten_> hey there. does anybody knows why i can install updates via the "Aktualisierungsverwaltung" (I think its Update Manger in English) in Lubuntu 11.10 without typing in my root-password
[16:48] <Treat1> After a fresh install of Lubuntu 11.10 I'm not able to set up printing on my networked printer. This has alway been a breeze, it's not even found when I put in the ip add. of the printer. Has anyone else had an issue like this.
[17:33] <Armin-Maywald> hi im currently testing lubuntu via an usb-stick and I noticed that my Media-Keyboard-buttons dont work. Is no such feature implemented in Lubuntu or do the Buttons work when I Install Lubuntu on my Harddrive.
[17:33] <Armin-Maywald> I would be happy if i get an answer
[17:35] <Unit193> Look for "media" in .config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml, it's all commented out.
[17:35] <Unit193> Not sure if they work as I don't have those keys.
[17:35] <Armin-Maywald> ok thanks for the advice
[17:52] <valdur55> damn it! I missed
[18:11] <leszek> hi
[18:11] <Unit193> Howdy, leszek.
[19:47] <smkatz> Hi. I can connect to wireless networks manually, but unclear how to get the list of wireless networks to appear
[19:47] <smkatz> using netgear usb dongle
[19:55] <smkatz> no problem that no one hears me. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1932472 posted thread with more detail
[19:59] <Unit193> I hear you, but all I can say is to look into nm-applet as I don't really use wireless.
[20:00] <Unit193> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1796785 that's also something that turned up.
[20:36] <smkatz> should I worry that update manager is not moving the progress bar, even though I have hard drive activity? It's applying changes
[20:41] <Myrtti> if the system is otherwise responsive, no
[20:42] <wxl> smkatz: i could imagine that happening with the installation of a big package e.g. a new kernel
[20:42] <Unit193> Or since it's the update manager....
[20:43] <wxl> …?
[20:43] <smkatz> so it asks me to escalate privileges, and then I had to click the apply changes button again
[20:43] <smkatz> I did add the ppa repository but did not add anything to the system from it
[20:44] <wxl> you could watch /var/log/dpkg.log
[20:44] <wxl> as it makes changes it will update it
[20:44] <Unit193> Doens't it also have a "Details" button?
[20:44] <wxl> tail -f /var/log/dpkg.log
[20:45] <smkatz> what's the terminal command to display that log? sorry. I know a bit of terminal, and am learning more
[20:45] <smkatz> the details button doesn't seem to be working
[20:45] <wxl> smkatz: what irc client you on?
[20:46] <smkatz> chatzilla running on firefox
[20:46] <smkatz> running on a mac
[20:46] <smkatz> (not the computer I'm talking about)
[20:46] <wxl> aw well that probably won't help. :) you're not on the same machine
[20:47] <smkatz> if you need me to be
[20:47] <smkatz> I can be
[20:47] <wxl> anyways like i said "tail -f /var/log/dpkg.log" will produce the last few lines of the log and keep watching for further updates, printing them to the screen as they come
[20:47] <smkatz> you going to do x-windows screen sharing or something?
[20:47] <smkatz> ok
[20:47] <smkatz> sounds good
[20:47] <wxl> i was just thinking with, e.g. irssi, you could use the exec command and echo the last line of the log here
[20:47] <wxl> of course you could just look and tell us manually ;)
[20:48] <smkatz> knowledge is a dangerous thing
[20:48] <smkatz> what does the -f parameter do?
[20:48] <wxl> follow
[20:50] <Unit193> Same as `tailf` will do.
[20:51] <wxl>   -f, --follow[={name|descriptor}]
[20:51] <wxl>                            output appended data as the file grows;
[20:51] <wxl>                            -f, --follow, and --follow=descriptor are
[20:51] <wxl>                            equivalent
[20:51] <wxl> ^^ the joys of the /exec command
[20:53] <smkatz> it says it half-configured and installed some things
[20:53] <smkatz> the last line is "startup packages purge"
[20:54] <smkatz> does that help or do you need more detail?
[20:54] <wxl> naw that doesn't really help much.. half-configuring and installing is pretty standard fare stuff
[20:55] <smkatz> do you need more info? do you think there's a problem at all?
[20:56] <wxl> watch it and see if it continues to update
[20:56] <wxl> thus tail -f or tailf
[21:00] <smkatz> so there's something weird about this log
[21:01] <smkatz> the most recent log entry says it happens in 1980 (the bottom)
[21:01] <smkatz> the others are all in military time and in 2011
[21:01] <wxl> strange…
[21:01] <smkatz> the time appears to be correct on the machine although in 24 time
[21:01] <smkatz> and it still is at "purging startup packages"
[21:02] <smkatz> this is an old machine
[21:02] <smkatz> could the cmos battery be going?
[21:02] <smkatz> does it sync time as soon as it's connected to the internet?
[21:04] <wxl> there's only one reliable way to test your cmos battery (voltmeter) but that certainly could be one explanation
[21:06] <wxl> regardless of network time sync, cmos should maintain system time
[21:06] <smkatz> I just installed this last night (lbuntu)
[21:07] <smkatz> I didn't have a network connection until now
[21:07] <wxl> as i said should be irrelevant
[21:07] <smkatz> the time was wrong when I installed it
[21:07] <wxl> ah ho oh ho
[21:07] <wxl> time to get out the voltmeter :D
[21:07] <smkatz> ok
[21:07] <wxl> if you don't have one just replace the battery
[21:07] <wxl> make sure you know your cmos settings ahead of time tho
[21:08] <smkatz> could this explain why the updates are failing?
[21:08] <wxl> i can't say it is btu i'
[21:08] <wxl> m not sure how apt uses time
[21:08] <smkatz> well apt-get appears to work
[21:08] <smkatz> I can add stuff to the repository
[21:08] <smkatz> and do an update
[21:08] <wxl> update manager is an apt front end
[21:08] <wxl> you can just kill update manager and do everything with apt
[21:09] <smkatz> it was after I added ppa to the repository that update manager popped up
[21:09] <wxl> i don't use update manager. i don't trust it
[21:09] <smkatz> (I also did an apt-get update
[21:09] <smkatz> is that the same command?
[21:09] <wxl> did update proceed without problems?
[21:09] <smkatz> yes
[21:09] <wxl> did you then apt-get upgrade?
[21:09] <smkatz> no not yet
[21:09] <wxl> well you need to do that too in order to duplicate what update manager is doing
[21:09] <smkatz> I was following some instructions for installing some software
[21:09] <smkatz> ok sounds good
[21:09] <wxl> btw they don't work together simultaneous
[21:10] <smkatz> the commands?
[21:10] <smkatz> or the software?
[21:10] <wxl> both of them put a lock on the cache and so if one of them has it locked, the other one can't access it
[21:10] <wxl> update manager and apt
[21:10] <smkatz> that makes sense
[21:10] <wxl> or more generally apt and any apt front end (synaptic, lsc, aptitude, etc.)
[21:10] <smkatz> ah ha.
[21:10] <smkatz> I have synaptic running
[21:10] <smkatz> not doing anything
[21:10] <smkatz> but running
[21:11] <smkatz> I'll close it
[21:11] <smkatz> why it was able to proceed at all?
[21:11] <smkatz> who knows
[21:11] <wxl> if it wasn't doing anything that's probably no big deal
[21:11] <wxl> i think the way synaptic works it doesn't put the lock on until it actually starts a process-- about when it asks for privs
[21:13] <smkatz> I think I may have given it though? not sure
[21:13] <smkatz> I closed synaptic. the update manager then became responsive
[21:13] <smkatz> I told it to cancel
[21:13] <smkatz> it's back at the package list
[21:14] <smkatz> should I try running it again? or run an apt-get upgrade?
[21:15] <wxl> smkatz: you can do what you like but i prefer apt
[21:16] <smkatz> I mean I'm going to be giving this to a novice user, so it would be nice to either set the update process with a script/cron job and disable the update manager or to get the update manager to work?
[21:18] <wxl> update manager should work
[21:19] <wxl> i suspect synaptic was what's giving you the trouble
[21:19] <wxl> though possibly the cmos battery too
[21:19] <wxl> i like NOT automatically updating as sometimes you find out there are updates you don't want because they're troublesome. usually that's not the case with the standard repos but if you have testing, proposed, any ppa's, etc-- you kind of never know
[21:22] <smkatz> so, it is now telling me in the log that it half-configured and half-installed a bunch of packages
[21:22] <smkatz> is it in the process of cancelling?
[21:22] <smkatz> (update manager, locked cache, cancelled)
[21:23] <wxl> so it's not running now?
[21:24] <smkatz> no, it appears to be writing log entries
[21:24] <smkatz> but it isn't running gui-wise
[21:24] <smkatz> (I cancelled it)
[21:24] <wxl> oh ok so it's not running
[21:24] <wxl> can you do "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install pastebinit" ?
[21:26] <smkatz> should I control c out of the tail -f?
[21:40] <smkatz> it appears the dpkg lists and stuff are locked
[21:40] <smkatz> maybe something like update-manager or sypantic didn't kill correctly
[21:41] <smkatz> I am going to try rebooting
[21:41] <smkatz> then doing apt-get upgrade
[21:58] <smkatz> for the record, my tackpad stopped working
[21:58] <smkatz> will reinstall
[21:58] <smkatz> thanks for the lessons everyone
[21:59] <wxl> smkatz: the trackpad was your problem?!
[22:28] <TrplHelix> Greetings All!  I <3 lubuntu.  But I broke it.  Modified /etc/apt/sources.list to include the 'precise' libraries.  Now apt-get fails to install software (even after all the apt-get autocleans/autoremoves ....)  Should I just reload my computer or is there an easy recovery?
[22:28] <wxl> TrplHelix: do you have pastebinit installed?
[22:29] <TrplHelix> no
[22:29] <wxl> well ok then you can do it manually
[22:29] <TrplHelix> well,  i typed paste then hit tab and nothing came up
[22:29] <TrplHelix> k
[22:30] <wxl> run `sudo apt-get update` and paste the results to paste.ubuntu.com and give us the resulting url
[22:30] <wxl> for that matter it might be good to have your /etc/apt/sources.list too
[22:32] <TrplHelix> wxl:  sudo apt-get update running now.  will provide sources.list too
[22:32] <wxl> TrplHelix: out of curiousity, what exact feedback to get you when trying to install software (and what are you trying to install?)
[22:32] <wxl> for that matter, what version are you on?
[22:34] <TrplHelix> I was trying to install angband 3.3.0.  I was using a .deb package that I found online but it has been removed.  I could not correctly compile from source.  Now I have 77 held packages and my librarys are half 11.10 and half 12.04.  Right now I just want to get back to using mysql
[22:35] <TrplHelix> i have lubuntu 11.10 and i modified apt/sources.list
[22:36] <TrplHelix> wxl:  http://pastebin.com/RFX3vLuF
[22:37] <TrplHelix> Additionally,  Update Manager is running at this moment claiming that, "Not all updates can be installed".  Buttons are Partial Upgrade and Close
[22:43] <TrplHelix> I clicked on the Partial Upgrade button and it wants to remove 2 apps.  one of which ‎is the LXDE login GUI...
[22:44] <wxl> sorry work's calling over here
[22:44] <wxl> but long story short you did a bad thing :D
[22:44] <TrplHelix> No sweat, take your time!
[22:44] <TrplHelix> and yes.... i figured i did wrong.  Should I just reload?
[22:58] <wxl> ok back
[22:58] <TrplHelix> :)
[22:58] <wxl> so sadly the problem with what you've got going on is you're now half way in between precise and oneiric
[22:58] <wxl> and unfortunately it's not very easy to undo what apt has done…
[22:58] <TrplHelix> ok.  to bad, i really like the new bluefish.
[22:59] <TrplHelix> I'll reload 11.10 and wait patiently with the rest of us mortals :(
[22:59] <TrplHelix> er ;(
[22:59] <wxl> so unless you want to spend a bunch of time basically backtracking by hand, or unless you want to fully dip into precise, you should either use a backup or reinstall
[22:59] <TrplHelix> Thank you for your time!
[23:00] <TrplHelix> and for providing a troll free zone hehe :D
[23:00] <wxl> what you did wasn't necessarily bad but you'd want to be a little bit more careful about what you let the next version install
[23:00] <wxl> or you could just grab a deb from packages.ubuntu.com
[23:01] <TrplHelix> ooh let me research that option
[23:01] <wxl> http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/i386/angband/download
[23:02] <wxl> all this for a game too
[23:02]  * wxl shakes his head :D
[23:02] <TrplHelix> lol yup
[23:02] <TrplHelix> angband is my achiles heal
[23:03] <wxl> nethack/asciiportal ftw ;)
[23:03] <wxl> oh you want to see some rad text based game???
[23:03] <TrplHelix> please!
[23:03] <wxl> http://jsbin.com/egiqul/49 <-- the source code is only <140 characters
[23:04] <TrplHelix> wow... looking
[23:04] <wxl> (and that's why it's rad-- the actual game is pretty lame)
[23:04] <wxl> https://gist.github.com/1672254
[23:04] <wxl> ok enough offtopic stuff for now :D this channel gets logged. if you want to chat about random stuff, feel free to pop over to #lubuntu-offtopic
[23:05] <TrplHelix> oh.  TY for your time once more.
[23:05] <wxl> anytime
[23:29] <iceroot> can someone on lubuntu 12.04 provide me the output of "dpkg -l gnome-screensaver"? does it start with "ii" for you? do you only have lxde installed or also unity/gnome?
[23:31] <wxl> iceroot:
[23:31] <wxl> No packages found matching gnome-screensaver.
[23:32] <iceroot> as it seems we have "gnome-screensaver" and "xscreensaver" lubuntu-desktop is suggesting gnome-screensaver which is pulling gnome-time-admin -> gnome-system-tools -> gnome-screensaver
[23:33] <iceroot> hm, something on my system was pulling gnome-screensaver which is now conflicting with xscreensaver
[23:33] <wxl> and by "we" you mean "you??" :D
[23:33] <iceroot> yes :)
[23:34] <iceroot> hm, maybe we should have a "conflict" for xscreensaver and gnome-screensaver? lubuntu-desktop is pulling gnome-screensaver (indirectly) and lubuntu-settings is pulling "xscreensaver" (indirectly)
[23:35] <iceroot> but i am not sure what that means if we have unity and lubuntu installed
[23:35] <wxl> aw man i remember one day i spent trying to figure out how to do reverse dependencies and now i don't remember how :/
[23:35] <wxl> we don't have unity anymore though, right?
[23:35] <iceroot> wxl: aptitude why foobar
[23:35] <wxl> right i tried to figure out how to do it withput aptitude :D
[23:35] <iceroot> wxl: no but if you do "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop"
[23:36]  * wxl does not do sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop :D
[23:36] <wxl> (which is why i don't have ubuntu…)
[23:36] <iceroot> or if you do "sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop" on ubuntu :)
[23:36] <wxl> neither would i do that
[23:37] <iceroot> i thought i am stupid, i told xscreensaver not to do anything and the screensaver was active after 5 minutes... and it was gnome-screensaver
[23:37] <iceroot> i will do some research about that tomorrow and why i have gnome-screensaver and you dont have it
[23:39] <iceroot> do we have a workarounf for this "grey on black"? i really need evolution usable at the moment
[23:40] <wxl> not afaik