[00:02] <encrypt> how do i report the bug? ubuntu-bug NetworkManager??
[00:05] <kklimonda> encrypt: ubuntu-bug network-manager-gnome
[00:05] <encrypt> thanks
[00:32] <snadge> help, i get a black screen and a mouse pointer when i log in with unity for some inexplicable reason
[00:32] <snadge> which logs can i look at for a clue?
[00:34] <snadge> lol if i restart lightdm, it restarts about 20 times
[00:39] <DebolazW> The UserInterfaceFreeze doesn't stop bug fixes does it?
[00:41] <Daekdroom> No, it doesn't.
[00:42] <DebolazW> Good, hopefully there's still time for someone to fix the intel titlebar bug then. :)
[00:46] <snadge> and fglrx title bug
[00:46] <snadge> im glad it affects intel too, maybe someone will do something about it
[00:46] <DebolazW> snadge: Which bug # is that?
[00:48] <snadge> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/770283
[00:49] <DebolazW> Unfortunately, it's not the same bug as the intel bug which is bug 930515
[00:49] <snadge> that also happens on radeon
[00:49] <DebolazW> But that being said, I have noticed the title bar sometimes doesnt update properly.
[00:50] <snadge> the glitchy text that is
[00:50] <DebolazW> It "lags behind" kind of, but I never really took that much notice of it.
[00:50] <snadge> yeah on fglrx it fails to update entirely
[00:50] <DebolazW> The glitchy text is annoying however. Its really only a visual thing, but it just makes the interface look a bit broken when its there 24/7 of your ui experience. :)
[00:50] <snadge> so all windows look like they have focus, v annoying
[00:52] <DebolazW> Does the radeon version of that also start with 12.04?
[00:52] <DebolazW> *Did rather
[00:54] <DebolazW> And does it appear exactly like seen in the screenshots attached to the 930515 bug? If so, you should mark that it affects you.
[01:02] <snadge> i cant even get unity to start atm
[01:02] <snadge> otherwise i would
[01:02] <snadge> sigh, mondays
[01:14] <DebolazW> For some reason, ubuntu wont let me alt-tab switch to terminals started with ctrl-alt-t anymore.
[01:14] <urfr332gO> Debolaz, you can set it up in compiz
[01:14] <DebolazW> urfr332gO: Has it been disabled?
[01:14] <urfr332gO> if your running unity that is.
[01:15] <urfr332gO> Debolaz, shouldn't have been has it worked at all?
[01:15] <DebolazW> Yes, until a few updates ago.
[01:16] <DebolazW> Actually, the ctrl-alt-t terminal isnt the only app. I just started ccsm and it wont let me tab switch to that either. :)
[01:16] <DebolazW> (But I can select it as normal on the launcher to switch to it)
[01:18] <urfr332gO> Debolaz, here is where in compiz you set it. http://imagebin.org/200995
[01:19] <urfr332gO> Debolaz, this is from the compizconfig settings manager
[01:21] <DebolazW> urfr332gO: You misunderstood me, I can start it. It's alt-tab switching to it at some later point that does not work here.
[01:21] <urfr332gO> Debolaz, I was just trying to give you the option of having the crtl-alt-t launch.
[01:22] <urfr332gO> I guess I missunderstaood.
[01:22] <DebolazW> Yes, and I appreciate it, but that isn't the problem, that works just fine. :)
[01:23] <urfr332gO> alt tab has a opened windows choice per stock setup
[01:23] <DebolazW> Its doing alt-tab to switch to that application later that doesn't work. I just noticed something now though, all the apps I cant switch to are marked with a "hollow" arrow on the unity launcher, while all the switchable apps running are marked with a filled arrow.
[01:23] <mhall119> trijntje: you still here
[01:23] <mhall119> ?
[01:25] <urfr332gO> with multiple terminals open the alt-tab has a dropdwon that you would click on the one you want on my setup, but I'm in oneiric right now. I wonder if you need to restart X
[01:25] <DebolazW> Does anyone here know what the different arrows on the left side of the icons on the launcher indicates?
[01:26] <urfr332gO> sudo restart lightdm wil restart the ldm
[01:28] <snadge> unity wont even start for me at the moment
[01:28] <DebolazW> urfr332gO: I solved the problem. :D
[01:28] <Daekdroom> Debolaz, it's because those 'hollow arrow' apps are supposedly in a different workspace.
[01:28] <Daekdroom> But sometimes they're nowhere.
[01:28] <Daekdroom> Pressing Super + S twice usually fixes it
[01:28] <DebolazW> urfr332gO: It turns out it was a new setting in the unity plugin that when enabled would only let me switch between windows in my current viewport (Whatever that means)
[01:29] <Daekdroom> Nope. It's a bug.
[01:29] <DebolazW> Daekdroom: Ah.
[01:29] <Daekdroom> Because the window wasn't being treated as in the current workspace.
[01:29] <Daekdroom> (Some people do, however, prefer the alt-tab switcher to show all windows)
[01:30] <urfr332gO> Debolaz, compiz is a bit slow in rendering and since unity is a plugin a field offrun at the least. :)
[01:30] <urfr332gO> of fun*
[01:30] <DebolazW> Daekdroom: I don't really use workspaces, I havent found a good way of switching between them yet.
[01:30] <Daekdroom> I don't use them either.
[01:30] <DebolazW> I guess I could bind S+arrow keys to them, but will that occupy something already used?
[01:31] <snadge> ctrl-alt arrow keys
[01:31] <urfr332gO> I have the cube all set up with it and other stuff but regularly loose the window headers.
[01:31] <snadge> for whatever reason.. gnome-shell doesnt bind that by default.. so nfi how to switch workspaces with gnome shell
[01:31]  * DebolazW learns something new about unity every day. :)
[01:31] <snadge> unity wont start.. or if it does, i get no launcher or panel
[01:31] <DebolazW> I only get to use it on this little netbook a few times a week though.
[01:32] <urfr332gO> snadge, have you tweaked compiz?
[01:33] <snadge> ive reset my compiz settings to default
[01:34] <urfr332gO> snadge, ah have you tried the 2d?
[01:34] <snadge> unity-2d works yeah.. but i only have one desktop for some reason
[01:35] <snadge> well actually theres 4.. but the keyboard binding to switch between them doesnt appear to be working
[01:35] <urfr332gO> I have been installing the gnome-shell, and have actually switched to it now that gives you 4 desktops unity, unity 2d, gnome 3 and the fallback.
[01:36] <urfr332gO> snadge, you can add more desktops in compiz within unity.
[01:43] <snadge> yeah thats for unity though, which isnt working properly
[01:43] <snadge> no idea why
[01:47] <urfr332gO> snadge, are you getting all the choices in the dash you should the links at the botom of the window?
[01:49] <urfr332gO> snadge, I had these disappear in my oneierc set up, and just restarted the ldm fixed it.
[09:46] <bluefoxicy> so
[09:46] <bluefoxicy> I am about to break the download mirrors
[09:46] <bluefoxicy> Yes I meant that.
[09:46] <bluefoxicy> Trying to update to u+1 now :)
[09:46] <bluefoxicy> let's see if they choke
[09:47] <bluefoxicy> earlier I tried to download a pdf file... it was 8.7 megabytes and took a little under 3 seconds to download ;)
[09:49] <ironhalik> dont worry, you wont get close to saturating the mirrors ;>
[09:50] <bluefoxicy> hehe
[10:48] <mortal> how do I disable dri (for battery reasons)?
[10:52] <mortal> oh, found it but it seems that unity does not decrease the effects
[10:53] <pmjdebruijn> if you disable DRI, you can't run unity 3d anymore AFAIK
[10:53] <pmjdebruijn> and with Unity 2D running on your CPU, I doubt it'll save you any power
[10:53] <pmjdebruijn> though you'd need to test to be sure
[10:58] <zzecool> bluefoxicy: what connection  speed ?
[10:58] <zzecool> 100 ?
[11:00] <zzecool> ironhalik: =) morning
[11:41] <ironhalik> hi zzecool :>\
[11:41] <ironhalik> Hmm, I wonder
[11:41] <zzecool> :D
[11:41] <ironhalik> In current state, Ubuntu will be updating packages? or only fixes?
[11:42] <ironhalik> ie. will I get the latest vlc when it comes out :)
[11:42] <ironhalik> hate the package freeze, you technically get stuck with whatever was the latest month before release, for half a year
[11:43] <micahg> ironhalik: precise already has 2.0.0
[11:44] <brobostigon> this is one reason i like debian unstable, as it constantly gets updates, but also risk due to lack of testing, breakage,
[11:44] <ironhalik> yeah, but theyre working on 2.0.1, which has a fix that I need, and wonder of it will land in Ubuntu
[11:44] <brobostigon> ironhalik: try the vlc ppa?
[11:44] <zzecool> ironhalik: you can use the official ppa's of every project
[11:45] <micahg> maybe, maybe not, the bug fix can probably certainly get in
[11:45] <ironhalik> yeah, but the dependencies are broken currently :)
[11:45] <ironhalik> in vlc's ppa
[11:45] <zzecool> ironhalik: the way ubuntu is doing it is the right one because imagine a company running ubuntu on unstable releases
[11:45] <zzecool> maintain 1 2 pc its ok
[11:45] <Daekdroom> If VLC 2.0.1 is a bug-fix release, then it might get updated.
[11:45] <micahg> and precise comes with a nice requestbackport tool in ubuntu-dev-tools for those willing to help test backports for updates they'd like
[11:45] <zzecool> but having an epic breakage
[11:46] <ironhalik> zzecool: I run arch linux also, its rolling distro - latest packages, and everything pretty much works :P
[11:46] <zzecool> but there is a risk
[11:46] <zzecool> i like unstable too
[11:46] <zzecool> dont get me wrong
[11:46] <zzecool> :D
[11:47] <zzecool_eating> im afk
[11:47] <zzecool_eating> :D
[11:47] <zzecool_eating> ill be back :o
[11:47] <ironhalik> ;>
[11:48] <ironhalik> Im also asking, because vlc2.0.0 got two ubuntu updates since its in the repos
[11:48] <ironhalik> so theyre fitting it already :)
[12:05] <dupondje> We need a Ubuntu rolling release :(
[12:05] <dupondje> but yea :P
[12:11] <Ian_Corne> zzecool_eating: they could just have a rolling version too i think
[12:59] <zzecool_eating> Ian_Corne: they should have an official ppa like universe multiverse  etc that will have the rolling updates
[12:59] <zzecool_eating> Ian_Corne: like rollingverse
[12:59] <zzecool_eating> something like that
[13:00] <zzecool_eating> better than an allnew  version
[13:00] <zzecool_eating> giving the ability to go back
[13:02] <zzecool> ironhalik: today i got a Vlc update
[13:02] <zzecool> :D
[13:02] <zzecool> i <3 the new interface  , actually its only the color on the time bar
[13:02] <zzecool> little things that matter
[13:02] <zzecool> ;p
[13:03] <zzecool> Myunity 3 released today i think
[13:03] <zzecool> nice interface and easy fast edit of the basic features :)
[13:17] <sociallyawkwardp> hello everybody, is this the right place to talk about bugs?
[16:58] <oconnore> eek, updates today broke on openjdk-7
[17:08] <bigjools> is there a separate channel for precise-on-kubuntu questions or will here do?
[17:08] <Pici> This is the place.
[17:09] <bluefoxicy> i started mine upgrading yesterday but it only made it 1 package in :|
[17:09] <bigjools> excellent - in that case, is it a known problem that notifications don't have any sound?
[17:10] <bluefoxicy> then it paused and asked me about restarting services for glibc
[17:18] <ironhalik> oconnore: there are some problem with java vm all the time
[17:18] <ironhalik> so it may have been already broken :)
[17:19] <oconnore> ironhalik: Oh, it was already broken, but now it is extra broken :)
[17:20] <zzecool> oconnore: you are right
[17:20] <zzecool> my java somehow revert back to verson 6
[17:20] <zzecool> ..<
[17:20] <zzecool> >.<
[17:20] <zzecool>  what the  happened?
[17:20] <oconnore> zzecool: yeah, I had to redo all of my /etc/alternatives links because the openjdk-7 package still uses openjdk-6 links somehow.
[17:21] <oconnore> or it just fails to overwrite them when you upgrade to 7
[17:21] <bluefoxicy> today is a crap day
[17:21] <bluefoxicy> I've already gotten job offers :(
[17:21] <oconnore> bluefoxicy: sorry
[17:21] <nhaines> bluefoxicy: congratulations?
[17:21] <ironhalik> oconnore: http://webupd8.googlecode.com/files/update-java-0.5b
[17:21] <ironhalik> oconnore: this handy script allows you to switch betweem JVMs
[17:22] <bluefoxicy> I can't obtain clearance, so 100% of the job offers I've gotten thusfar are not feasible for me.  So I guess I will just sit around and play Go today.  If Java isn't too broken to get me on the KGS.
[17:22] <zzecool> ironhalik: i had install java using this script
[17:22] <zzecool> installed*
[17:22] <bluefoxicy> oconnore:  how broken is Java :|
[17:22] <zzecool> but as oconnore  says some updates revert the verison back
[17:22] <zzecool> version*
[17:23] <ironhalik> yeah
[17:23] <ironhalik> I had to force eclipse to use java 1.7 :>
[17:23] <bluefoxicy> haha what... all the updates are downloaded, it's installing
[17:23] <zzecool> http://www.webupd8.org/2012/01/install-oracle-java-jdk-7-in-ubuntu-via.html
[17:23] <bluefoxicy> time remaining:  1 day 14 hours
[17:23] <oconnore> bluefoxicy: it seems rather broken to me. Sorry. You got a government job offer that needs clearance?
[17:23] <oconnore> ironhalik: that's cool!
[17:24] <bluefoxicy> oconnore:  I lost my job because after 4 years they decided to deny clearance, so of course every job I get offered requires an even higher level clearance.
[17:25] <bluefoxicy> That's why I'm sitting home playing Go and testing the new version of Ubuntu.  Because I have nothing better to do except complain to someone that their software's broke.
[17:26] <oconnore> bluefoxicy: sorry to hear it. Although I do like Go
[17:26] <bluefoxicy> heh :)
[19:53] <log> Do anyone else's libnotify notifications randomly turn royal blue?
[19:53] <log> s/libnotify//
[19:54] <log> Er, never mind. Confirmed in Bug #934425.
[20:39] <ironhalik> bug #666
[20:39] <ironhalik> huh
[20:45] <Oer> bug one is more fun
[20:48] <darthanubis> anyone here try an upgrade to Kubuntu Precise?
[20:51] <glosoli> Is there any way or irc channel to talk with the developers who fix the bugs ?
[20:53] <pangolin> the bug should have a Contact maintainer link
[20:54] <yofel> darthanubis: me, worked mostly fine
[21:09] <zzecool> ironhalik: you here?
[21:28] <glosoli> is there any way to get "Ubuntu locally integrated menus" in Precise ?
[21:43] <glosoli> zzecool: you here ?
[21:44] <zzecool> glosoli: yes
[21:44] <gaby> hello every body - can any one guide me - how to update my ubuntu to 12.04
[21:44] <glosoli> zzecool: do you know where I can find some indicators-applets for ubuntu ?
[21:44] <glosoli> ;D
[21:45] <zzecool> what exactly do you need?
[21:46] <glosoli> zzecool: I don't actually know atm, think i need to see a list to understand, it just feels like something is missing
[21:46] <glosoli> ;D
[21:47] <zzecool> gaby: press alt + f2    and type  update-manager -d
[21:47] <zzecool> :)
[21:47] <zzecool> have fun and good lock
[21:47] <zzecool> luck ;p
[21:48] <gaby> zzecool: i did - and nothing happend
[21:48] <zzecool> erm
[21:48] <zzecool> refresh
[21:48] <zzecool> you should see  "a new version is rdy"  or something
[21:48] <gaby> how to refresh then
[21:48] <zzecool> press the refresh button
[21:49] <gaby> where is it
[21:49] <zzecool> gaby: press alt + f2    and type  update-manager -d       PRESS ENTER
[21:50] <zzecool> glosoli: i use one for ubuntu one one for dropbox and one for system monitoring
[21:50] <gaby> i did
[21:50] <gaby> and nothinghappend
[21:50] <glosoli> zzecool: what's with that for ubuntu one, what can it do ?
[21:50] <zzecool> ahh was and one more to change the speed of my cpu
[21:51] <zzecool> it shows you the status
[21:51] <gaby> zzecool : i did it again - and nothing happend
[21:51] <zzecool> if it syncing etc
[21:51] <glosoli> zzecool: can I do disconnect from it ?
[21:51] <zzecool> yes
[21:51] <zzecool> glosoli: how did you upgrate to precise
[21:51] <zzecool> upgrade*
[21:53] <glosoli> zzecool: where Can it get it ? I did not upgrade, I picked daily cd
[21:53] <zzecool> gaby: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDH4i1J6QoE
[21:53] <zzecool> its the same like in this vid
[21:54] <zzecool> dont pay attention on the version
[21:54] <zzecool> glosoli: wait
[21:55] <zzecool> glosoli: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:rye/ubuntuone-extras && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntuone-indicator
[21:55] <zzecool> im the man
[21:55] <zzecool> ;p
[21:55] <glosoli> no you aint :D
[21:55] <zzecool> you know that i am
[21:55] <zzecool> ;p
[21:57] <glosoli> anyway does anyone here know how to enable global menu for Libreoffice as lo-menubar package not working
[21:58] <glosoli> zzecool: that indicator sucks, it's not monochrome
[21:58] <glosoli> :D
[21:58] <zzecool> what is it ?
[21:58] <zzecool> its mono for me
[21:58] <zzecool> im using faenza icons  ho ho
[21:59] <gaby> one more thing please - my software center - i cant find the search box to search for the soft ware i  need - can you tell me how to get this search box back
[21:59] <glosoli> zzecool: it's like standart icon for me
[22:00] <zzecool> gaby take a screenshot uploaded somewhere  and post the link here so we can see
[22:00] <glosoli> zzecool: show me a screenshoot
[22:00] <zzecool> glosoli: wait
[22:01] <gaby> where can i post the screen shot
[22:01] <gaby> give me the sit
[22:01] <zzecool> try imageshack
[22:02] <zzecool> glosoli: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24436243/ubuntuone.png
[22:02] <glosoli> zzecool: do you have any dropbox vs ubuntuone expierence ? ;D
[22:02] <zzecool> what do you mean ?
[22:03] <zzecool> In simple terms Dropbox is better in everything
[22:03] <zzecool> but i use the both
[22:03] <zzecool> them
[22:03] <glosoli> zzecool: why better ?
[22:04] <zzecool> numerous reasons
[22:05] <glosoli> zzecool: for examle
[22:05] <glosoli> example''
[22:05] <zzecool> Perfect website  , speed , features
[22:05] <gaby> how can i give you the screen shoot
[22:05] <zzecool> post the link gaby
[22:05] <gaby> where to post the link - please give me the site to upload my picture
[22:05] <glosoli> zzecool: so what's point for using Ubuntu One for you
[22:05] <glosoli>   ?
[22:06] <zzecool> glosoli: more free space  + i only have tutorials and guides that i need to remember for linux there
[22:06] <zzecool> Dropbox is for everything else
[22:06] <zzecool> glosoli: do you have dropbox acc ?
[22:06] <zzecool> if not i can send you an invite
[22:06] <zzecool> and get me and you 250mb bonus
[22:06] <zzecool> :)
[22:07] <gaby> what is the site to upload my screenshoot
[22:07] <zzecool> thats one more reason
[22:07] <glosoli> zzecool: Can I sync local folders with dropbox ?
[22:07] <zzecool> gaby: dont get me wrong but do you have any experience with linux and generaly computers  - internet  :)
[22:08] <zzecool> gaby: you are asking about the most simple things and still trying to upgrade to beta in a quite techy OS
[22:08] <zzecool> ;/
[22:08] <gaby> iam only user
[22:08] <zzecool> ok
[22:08] <gaby> not so experienced like you
[22:08] <zzecool> i will help you :)
[22:08] <gaby> thanks
[22:08] <zzecool> but learn the first rule
[22:08] <zzecool> google is your friend
[22:08] <zzecool> :)
[22:08] <zzecool> wait
[22:09] <zzecool> http://imageshack.us/
[22:09] <zzecool> this is maybe the most known site for images upload
[22:09] <zzecool> but
[22:09] <zzecool> you can use anything
[22:09] <zzecool> you can also upload it to you facebook almbum and send the direct link
[22:09] <zzecool> :)
[22:09] <zzecool> whatever
[22:11] <zzecool> glosoli: no you cant
[22:11] <zzecool> glosoli: with dropbox you can only sync Dropbox's subfolder
[22:11] <zzecool> subfolders*
[22:12] <zzecool> its like sandbox  where the Dropbox folder is the root
[22:12] <zzecool> with ubuntu one you can pick any folder if i remember right
[22:13] <gaby> http://imageshack.us/f/837/softwarecenterx.png/
[22:13] <diegoviola> hi
[22:13] <diegoviola> will ubuntu start shipping wayland this year?
[22:13] <diegoviola> wayland+x11
[22:13] <zzecool> diegoviola: i dont think
[22:14] <diegoviola> ok
[22:14] <diegoviola> so when this will start to happen please?
[22:14] <glosoli> zzecool: can it sync local folders ?
[22:14] <diegoviola> is there any plans...
[22:15] <zzecool> i answered you
[22:15] <glosoli> zzecool: friggin smuxi died
[22:15] <jtaylor> when there is a stable release maybe
[22:15] <zzecool> glosoli: no you cant
[22:15] <diegoviola> ok
[22:15] <zzecool> glosoli: with dropbox you can only sync Dropbox's subfolder
[22:15] <zzecool> its like sandbox  where the Dropbox folder is the root
[22:15] <zzecool> with ubuntu one you can pick any folder if i remember right
[22:15] <diegoviola> 1.0 is coming soon i heard
[22:15] <glosoli> zzecool: yeah, then ubuntu one pownz for space and for my needs ;D
[22:16] <zzecool> but its freaking slow ;p
[22:16] <glosoli> zzecool: for what ?
[22:16] <zzecool> upload - sunc
[22:16] <zzecool> sync*
[22:16] <glosoli> zzecool: it aint here
[22:16] <zzecool> rly ?
[22:16] <zzecool> you are lucky
[22:16] <glosoli> zzecool: my internet provider is good
[22:16] <glosoli> :)
[22:16] <zzecool> ;p
[22:17] <glosoli> zzecool: I have my upload in ubuntu one limited to 2048 kB/s
[22:17] <zzecool> ermm whats your upload speed
[22:17] <zzecool> in mbits ?
[22:18] <zzecool> Here at Greece for public lines its only 1 mbit
[22:18] <glosoli> zzecool: it's fiber, so upload and download uses the same bandwidth so 5 megabytes down/up
[22:18] <zzecool> the best you can get its 24 mbit / 1mbit    ( down / up )
[22:18] <glosoli> zzecool: it's considered as slow in my country :)
[22:18] <zzecool> hmm yeah
[22:18] <glosoli> Best you can get is about 500 mbit
[22:18] <zzecool> we are ADSL
[22:18] <jtaylor> <1mbit/128kbit :(
[22:19] <zzecool> jtaylor: that sucks rly bad
[22:19] <zzecool> we were there some years before
[22:20] <zzecool> internet is ok if you are 10 mbit or more
[22:20] <zzecool> if you can download data with 1 mb / sec  then its ok
[22:20] <zzecool> i can handles this
[22:20] <zzecool> handle*
[22:20] <zzecool> glosoli: 500 ?
[22:21] <zzecool> :o
[22:30] <glosoli> zzecool: smuxi............
[22:30] <zzecool> lol
[22:31] <zzecool> i blame you isp
[22:31] <zzecool> your
[22:31] <glosoli> zzecool: Nah :) Chatting with skype and using www just fine
[22:31] <glosoli> zzecool: in btw, i saw that your post about dodge window gathered a bit more attention
[22:31] <zzecool> i blame your freenode server
[22:31] <zzecool> glosoli: yes it does
[22:32] <zzecool> but i think that there is a better workaround
[22:32] <glosoli> zzecool: what ?
[22:32] <glosoli> what exactly'
[22:32] <zzecool> to have the ability to choose  launcher behaviour per workspace
[22:32] <zzecool> instead of dodge
[22:33] <glosoli> nah, dodge would be enough for me
[22:33] <zzecool> always on on the 1st workspace
[22:33] <zzecool> autohide to all the other let say
[22:33] <glosoli> zzecool: sorry but this time I'm pretty sure your idea wouldn't be considered
[22:33] <zzecool> this is onna be ok for me
[22:33] <zzecool> lol
[22:33] <zzecool> if they dont want to bring dodge back whatever the cost may be
[22:34] <zzecool> then this is my only chance :D
[22:34] <glosoli> zzecool: Does anyone from devs answered ?
[22:34] <zzecool> i dont think so
[22:34] <zzecool> no sure
[22:34] <zzecool> not
[22:34] <glosoli> zzecool: have you tryed to Email Mark, or anyone else ?
[22:35] <zzecool> i think dev's are loyal to the guide canonical gave them
[22:35] <zzecool> only time will tell
[22:35] <zzecool> no reason glosoli  because they allrdy know
[22:36] <zzecool> its simple they didnt wan to fix the bugs or didnt have the time
[22:36] <zzecool> so the removed the feature for the lts
[22:36] <zzecool> simple as that
[22:36] <zzecool> everything else are just excuses
[22:37] <zzecool> not even a child could believe ..
[22:38] <zzecool> Im sure they are also paying attention to blogs like omgubuntu
[22:39] <zzecool> and its was a carnival parade   when pl realied that dodge is or will be removed  ever from the code  ( not accessible thought ccsm or dconf )
[22:39] <zzecool> ppl realized
[22:39] <zzecool> *
[22:39] <zzecool> even*
[22:39] <zzecool> omg its late so many typos
[22:39] <zzecool> glosoli: im gonna sleep :)
[22:40] <zzecool> c ya
[23:36] <lan3y> apport seems very messy at the moment