TheMusoIs it just me, or is anybody else unable to click on an icon in the Unity 3D dash and have it activate?00:24
RAOFTheMuso: Worked here just now.  I do recall that behaviour yesterday, but I was hoping to chalk it up to my built-from-source unity plugin being awkward; it was also crashing like mad.00:29
TheMusoRAOF: Hrm ok. This is after updating to latest packages and a reboot this morning...00:43
RAOFI'm running cleaner stuff now, and it's working.  For now! :)00:44
TheMusohrm ok00:55
RAOFBah, multiarch.  Stop having conflicting changelog.gz01:31
jbichaRAOF: wasn't that supposed to be fixed?01:43
RAOFjbicha: Which particular problem?  Multiarch changelogs sometimes getting into a weird super-awesome conflicty state?01:44
ubot2`Debian bug 647522 in gzip "gzip -9n is not deterministic" [Normal,Open]01:45
RAOFI'm not sure this was actually the same problem.01:47
RAOFBut it might have been.01:47
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TheMusoRAOF: Hrm seems things with the dash are working after a reboot.02:18
stgraberrobert_ancell: apparently the new gnome-screensaver doesn't want to let me unlock it... any thought?02:28
robert_ancellstgraber, don't know anything off hand - do you know what version triggered the problem?02:29
jbichastgraber: caps lock? ....lol02:30
stgraberoh, now that's really odd. 3.2.1 was failing for me since I installed it, so I just reverted to 3.2.0 and it worked fine02:30
stgraberbut upgrading again still works02:30
stgraber(obviously killing the gnome-screensaver process)02:30
stgraberjbicha: hehe, I've been unlocking my screensaver from gnome-screensaver-command for a few days now, so believe me, I made sure I'm typing the right password ;)02:31
stgraberthough the fact that downgrading/upgrading worked is really odd, maybe one of the binaries got corrupted somehow02:31
jbichaoh, a few days? wow02:31
stgraberjbicha: yeah, been busy with other things and was initially suspecting some PAM issues, though I then confirmed that pam_unix was indeed called and works fine outside of gnome-screensaver02:33
stgraberanyway, the downgrade/upgrade fixed it AFAICS so I'm happy with that02:33
stgraberI have my laptop configured to lock after a minute of inactivty, so switching to tty1 and back to unlock was getting slightly annoying ;)02:33
jbicha1 minute, that's hardcore02:34
stgraberwell, that's the usual time it takes me to loose sight of my laptop when heading somewhere else, so that way I don't have to remember to lock it02:38
pittiGood morning06:08
pittiLaney: OK, I'll seed these two then06:08
pittiSweetshark: why does libreoffice-gnome not depend on libreoffice-gtk3?06:12
pittiSweetshark: should we seed -gtk3 explicitly?06:12
RAOFYou know what's totally awesome?  Writing tests for asynchronous protocol.06:41
RAOFWait, did I say awesome?  I may have meant painful.06:41
didrocksgood morning06:48
RAOFHey didrocks,  Good morning!06:50
didrocksgood morning RAOF ;)06:50
pittibonjour didrocks07:18
pittihey RAOF07:18
pittidid you have a nice weekend?07:18
didrocksguten morgen pitti, how are you?07:19
didrockswas a nice week-end here, quite short, but really enjoyable :)07:19
pittigot a cold last Friday, so we had a very quiet weekend; getting better, though07:19
didrocksargh, take care!07:19
Sweetsharkpitti: libreoffice-gnome hopefully depends on libreoffice-gtk. libreoffice-gtk3 is still _very_ experimental.08:32
pittiSweetshark: ah, I see; so it should go into universe for now? (because it wants to)08:33
Sweetsharkpitti: yes08:34
pittiSweetshark: ack, moved08:34
ricotzSweetshark, hi, could -gtk3 be an alternative to -gtk? meaning "libreoffice-gtk | libreoffice-gtk3"08:34
ricotzpitti, hello08:35
Sweetsharkricotz: well not yet IMHO. it should be there only for the fearless.08:35
pittihey ricotz, wie gehts?08:35
ricotzSweetshark, alright ;)08:35
ricotzpitti, danke, gut08:35
ricotzich hoffe dir auch08:35
ricotzSweetshark, the build size of libreoffice in ppas is still a huge problem :\08:36
ricotzpitti, are you able to restart this one https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/ppa/+build/3239100 ?08:36
SweetsharkMoin ricotz, pitti, all!08:37
RAOFpitti: I had a very lazy weekend; it was 39C and 37C respectively.  That puts a bit of a crimp on attempting to do anything physical!08:37
ricotzpitti, i am not sure when i cancel it if i am able to retry it afterwards08:37
pittiricotz: yes, I am, but woudl that help anything?08:37
pittiricotz: yes, you should be able to08:37
ricotzpitti, wgrant said the buildd have different sizes08:37
micahgricotz: if you cancel a PPA build, you cannot restart it08:37
ricotzso sometimes it works08:37
pittiricotz: I can help you with building it on a particular buildd, but you need to tell me which08:38
ricotzpitti, oh let me look08:38
ricotzpitti, the previous amd64 build worked fine on rutherfordium (virtual-64)08:39
Sweetsharkchrischoulson: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43868 (last three comments) and https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4517108:39
ubot2`Freedesktop bug 43868 in Libreoffice "FILEOPEN document saved with password: correct password not recognized" [Blocker,Closed: fixed]08:39
pittiricotz: and you know that promethium will fail?08:40
pittiricotz: hm, I don't see rutherfordium on https://launchpad.net/builders08:41
ricotzpitti, hmm, i dont know08:41
pittiI guess it was taken down again for other purposes08:41
Sweetsharkrickspencer3: I read that your LibreOffice works again. What did change? Was it the 3.5.0final upload or did you maybe remove ~/.libreoffice to get it working?08:41
rickspencer3Sweetshark, dunno, just did a dist-upgrade on Friday, and it started working after that08:42
rickspencer3Sweetshark, I saw there was a crasher that I had fixed08:42
rickspencer3so I assumed it was that08:42
Sweetsharkrickspencer3: most likely.08:42
ricotzpitti, the lucid amd64 build was smaller by 3gb, so these builder might not -- https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/ppa/+build/323914108:43
ricotzpitti, hoping the best for promethium ;)08:46
ricotzmicahg, thanks for making this clear :)08:46
pittihey seb12809:00
seb128hey pitti, wie gehts? had a good w.e?09:00
pittiseb128: fairly quiet, we didn't do much at all; veery relaxing :)09:01
pittiquite nice after travelling three weekends in a row09:01
pittiand I got a light cold anyway09:01
seb128pitti, relaxing is good as well indeed ;-)09:02
didrockssalut seb128!09:03
seb128didrocks, lut, en forme ?09:03
didrocksseb128: ouai, on commence toujours pas un crash Xorg, mais ça va :)09:03
didrockset toi?09:04
seb128ca va bien, mon xorg est stable ;-)09:04
seb128https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/compiz-core/fix-940139/+merge/94715 waouh: '"DOUBLED the CPU performance of compiz."09:06
seb128good start of week for compiz ;-)09:07
pitti"Status: Superseded" ?09:08
seb128pitti, https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/compiz-core/fix-940139/+merge/94728 is the new one it seems09:09
seb128(was reading from bug emails)09:09
pittiwow indeed!09:09
didrocksseb128: yeah, will be in this week compiz release :)09:10
seb128didrocks, excellent09:10
didrocksapparenlty sam had a similar one last cycle but forgot to merge it09:10
seb128pitti, so, tell me, how frozen is beta?09:10
seb128pitti, is that worth trying to get the nautilus,zg integration patch from dx in or is that better after beta?09:11
seb128(the patch does register every file copied to zg)09:11
pittiseb128: I'm not driving this time, not sure if we have another rebuild planned09:12
pittibetter coordinate in #u-release09:12
pittiseb128: there's certainly room for a respin still09:13
seb128well I wouldn't want a respin for that09:13
seb128I guess I can just upload and then ask there to see if they want to let it in or daly09:13
pittiSweetshark: will libreoffice-report-builder realistically come back for precise?09:19
pittiSweetshark: if not, would you mind dropping it from the transitional openoffice.org-report-builder package? (it should just be a "dead" transitional package without dependencies then, to avoid breaking upgrades)09:19
Sweetsharkfor precise -- no it wont.09:21
* Sweetshark adds todo.09:21
Sweetsharkchrisccoulson: chris, old friend!09:29
tkamppeter_pitti, hi09:29
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Sweetsharkchrisccoulson: There is the suspicion going on that your latest oneiric firefox update broke LibreOffice! Isnt that a great way to start the week?09:30
seb128is anyone else having alt-tab or issues? like I run gedit from a command line and doing alt-tab once doesn't send me back to it09:31
tjaaltonuh, why oh why was the "switch desktop" shortcut changed. current one doesn't even work right09:34
Sweetsharktjaalton: <flame on>09:35
micahgSweetshark: bug #?09:37
didrocksseb128: just tried, works here09:38
Sweetsharkricotz: btw, are you on the "libreoffice packaging mailing list"? I get multiple questions because people are missing the 3.4.5 update for oneiric in the ppa now.09:38
didrockstjaalton: it's just a keybinding change, I would be surprise for it to not work well09:38
seb128didrocks, ok, I regularly get it, like running dch, alt-tabbing back to the command line and alt-tab goes it my IRC09:38
didrockstjaalton: but for all the keybinding remarks, please ping JohnLea09:38
tjaaltondidrocks: keeping super down brings the shortcut popup in front09:39
seb128tjaalton, or better than ping, please open bugs09:39
didrocksseb128: hum, not fun, need to have a reproducible test case when you get a chance to unerstand what's going on09:39
tjaaltonanyway, was easy to change back..09:39
didrockstjaalton: right, known issue, bug opened even before the upload. It's tricky09:39
seb128didrocks, yeah, I will try to get one, first step was to see if others get the issue as well ;-)09:39
didrockstjaalton: will be fixed by a compiz upload and an unity patch09:39
tjaaltondidrocks: ok09:40
didrocksseb128: never noticed until now, sorry :(09:40
Sweetsharkmicahg: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43868 (last three comments) and https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45171, also bug 91965909:40
ubot2`Launchpad bug 919659 in libreoffice "[Downstream] Can't open/save document or spreadsheet with password" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91965909:40
ubot2`Freedesktop bug 43868 in Libreoffice "FILEOPEN document saved with password: correct password not recognized" [Blocker,Closed: fixed]09:40
chrisccoulsonSweetshark, oh, how so?09:40
chrisccoulsongood morning everyone :)09:40
Sweetsharkchrisccoulson: existing firefox profile+firefox update+LibreOffice-3.4.5 => bad (cant open password protected files anymore)09:42
micahgSweetshark: we don't use the system nss/nspr for firefox/thunderbird anymore, so LO shouldn't be affected by updates09:42
didrocksgood morning chrisccoulson :)09:43
Sweetsharkchrisccoulson, micahg: It is not that critical as LibreOffice 3.4.5 is still in proposed.09:43
chrisccoulsonhey didrocks09:43
Sweetsharkmicahg: does system nss maybe still read the profiles (and the updates change/migrate them)?09:43
micahgSweetshark: not sure09:45
Sweetsharkchrisccoulson: on the LibreOffice side, moggi on #libreoffice-dev is doing excellent work on this. But he just went to work, so will be back later maybe.09:45
Sweetsharkmicahg, chrisccoulson: this bug hits debian, ubuntu and gentoo, but it seems fedora/opensuse are spared by it.09:46
ricotzSweetshark, hmm, i guess i am not subscribed then (will do), i removed this package in favour of the official one in oneiric, but i see it is still -proposed09:52
Sweetsharkricotz: yes and bug 873702 hits the builds to oneiric-proposed, but _not_ the ones in the ppa. So people were happily using the ppa and will not be happy with the same version in proposed.09:55
ubot2`Launchpad bug 873702 in libreoffice "some function names in Calc appear in english others in local language (mixed up) " [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87370209:55
asacdidrocks: hello ... got latest upgrades this morning and ctrl+alt+cursor-keys is broken to move around workspaces :/09:56
Sweetsharkricotz: why that bug only hits builds to proposed/main, but not ppas is *cough* "interesting" ...09:56
asacdidrocks: it doesnt do anything09:56
didrocksasac: it's not broken, it has been reaffected :)09:56
Sweetsharkricotz: it is exactly the same source package09:56
* didrocks is giving the same answer for the 20th time09:56
asacdidrocks: what does that mean?09:57
didrockson IRC, email :)09:57
Sweetsharkdidrocks: having fun yet? ;)09:57
didrocksasac: design changed the shortcut09:57
asacdidrocks: whats the shortcut?09:57
didrocksasac: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1jqeKtIJwqLtl58Wk_fqjr9Rrgxn9zsouCYOo-cZsLSE/edit09:57
didrocksasac: please, address any complain to JohnLea :)09:57
* didrocks changed back the shortcuts finally after trying for 5 days09:58
seb128asac, bug #94008509:58
ubot2`Launchpad bug 940085 in compiz "12.04, Compiz Wall plugin default shortcut keys are incorrect" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94008509:58
asacdidrocks: how can i switch workspaces now :)09:58
asaci need to do that09:59
asacif i cannot do that i am lost :(09:59
asacwell ... can move all apps to one workspace again09:59
didrocksasac: on the documentation, it's Shift + super + arrowss09:59
ricotzSweetshark, i see, there are two huge differences the ppa doesnt build against the -propose pocket, and it depends on ppa:ubuntu-toolchain-r/ppa !09:59
didrocksasac: to move a window on another ws, it's Super + alt + arrows09:59
asacwhen i press that09:59
asaci even get the shortcut keys documentation09:59
asacwhile switching09:59
seb128right, "known bug"09:59
didrocksasac: yeah, known issue09:59
asacseems its double occupied09:59
asacin this case it was good :)10:00
seb128asac, got to the control center and put it back to what you want and comment on the bug10:00
asacso whats the rational?10:00
asacjust random ergonomics?10:00
seb128there is no point to flood #ubuntu-desktop with it, it's a design,dx decision10:00
asaclike shift+super is in average better to type10:00
didrocksasac: Super is wanted to be the "central point of switching"10:00
seb128asac, I think the basis is that they want to make all the standard keybindings super based10:00
mptSuper based? Like Nick Minaj?10:00
asacif i think about my real keyboard where the super key is like exposited very far outside10:00
asacits not better10:00
mptNicki Minaj, rather10:01
seb128asac, i.e always do super-<something>10:01
seb128mpt, lol10:01
asacdidrocks: well ... making super key the central point of switching is not so nice10:01
asacbecause on my real keyboard its not a central key10:01
didrocksasac: I'm not supportive of the change for the record10:01
seb128asac, well as said better to comment on a but, we all basically agree here and the discussion is not very useful10:01
asaci think it makes sense10:01
didrocksbut something that you need to convince design on10:01
asacbut only if there were keyboard manufacturers10:01
asacthat listened and made ubuntu keys :)10:01
didrocksI tried for 5 days, didn't get accustomed to it and made my arms feeling pain10:02
seb128asac, maybe it's a first step, make the key actual special10:02
seb128then we can convince them we need an ubuntu logo on it ;-)10:02
asacand then i have to send in my keyboard so they can make it a centrally located key10:02
* didrocks would have been happy with Ctrl + Super on his keyboard TBH10:02
didrocksShift + super is quite painful10:03
asaclet me show you10:03
asacthing is ... the ctrl+alt+cursor doesnt do anything now10:03
asacso it could have been preserved10:03
asacas legacy10:03
Sweetsharkricotz: well, there is nothing in of relevance in ubuntu-toolchain-r for oneiric it seems to me. And we had the same issue waaay back with 3.4.4 -- fine in the ppa, broken in proposed. I dont think there is a broken package in proposed for that long.10:04
didrocksasac: compiz doesn't support multiple key for the same action10:04
Sweetsharkricotz: or is it? hmmmm.10:04
asacdidrocks: thats odd10:06
asacdidrocks: is itusing a key/key hashmap rather than key/value?10:06
asacwhy do yuou need a unique way from actkion to key?10:07
didrockstalk to upstream please ;)10:07
* didrocks has already more than 12 hours of work to do today10:07
ricotzSweetshark, building against "gnutls26 - 2.12.11-1" rather than 2.10.5-1ubuntu3 looks like a difference to me10:08
seb128didrocks, stop replying to random channels IRC comment and get to work! ;-)10:09
didrocksseb128: ok, I stop replying to your questions on #ubuntu-unity :p10:09
seb128didrocks, good first step ;-)10:09
didrocksseb128: I propose that you switch the nautilus + quicklist work with the nux blacklist :p10:10
seb128lol, no thanks :p10:10
Sweetsharkdidrocks: stop whining and write down how awesome I am at10:10
seb128didrocks, I'm looking to the nautilus zg stuff to start10:10
seb128let's see what I can do next10:10
Sweetsharkdidrocks: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BjoernMichaelsen/YourDeveloperApplication now that you did sponsor an upload for me ;)10:10
asacwasnt there a feature to make ctrl+alt the super key10:11
BigWhaleGreetings. So, is it safe to select download while updating and install 3rd party software with precise? Is this fuxed yet?10:11
asacvery down on the low level for old keyboards tha dont have super?10:11
BigWhaleerr fixed.10:11
didrocksSweetshark: well, an upload is not sufficent for a testimonial :)10:11
didrocksseb128: see, you pick your priorities! that's mean :)10:11
Sweetsharkdidrocks: does money help?10:11
seb128asac, you can look in gnome-control-center, layout, the option button in the bottom right corner10:12
micahgSweetshark: I think he's volunteering for more uploads :)10:12
seb128asac, that has all the low level xorg options stuff10:12
asaclet me check10:12
Sweetsharkmicahg: indeed10:13
BigWhaleseb128, what's this ex-chat you people are using? :)10:31
seb128BigWhale, it's an IRC client, why?10:31
seb128well I use xchat-gnome10:31
seb128sudo apt-get install xchat-gnome10:32
BigWhaleOh... I didn't realize that xchat had such signoff... :> I'm using it too.10:32
chrisccoulsonnice, http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13970_7-57385616-78/telefonica-mozillaphone-costs-10-times-less-than-an-iphone/10:35
chrisccoulsonwhen can i get one??! :-)10:35
seb128want a crappy phone? ;-)10:36
Sweetsharkpitti: ricotz just had an interesting idea about the calc formula l10n bug. unknown to me, the ppa had a dep on the toolchain ppa from ancient natty times. this could be the difference why it does not work in -proposed, but does in the ppa.10:37
pittiSweetshark: the build log should tell you which gcc/ld/etc. version it uses?10:38
seb128chrisccoulson, seems like those a semi-smart-phone, a samsung phone with bada is probably around the same10:38
BigWhalehmmm... my mouse just became unresponsive on my new laptop ... in 12.04. is this known bug? :10:39
seb128chrisccoulson, I've one, I can tell you it's feeling far from a smart phone experience, even if you can do stuff like browse the web etc10:39
dholbachcan somebody have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-greeter/+bug/884366?10:44
ubot2`Launchpad bug 884366 in unity-greeter "Theme is not customizable by downstream (derivative) distros" [Undecided,Confirmed]10:44
seb128dholbach, hey, I guess that's one for robert_ancell or mterry, but they are both not working at this time10:45
dholbachok, I hope I remember it later on and give them a prod :)10:46
dholbachseb128, when is the next gnome release due?10:46
seb128I will try to ping them, I looked at it before but I just hate conffiles handling10:46
dholbachI was wondering how you'd feel about pushing bug 933710 now so it can be properly tested10:46
ubot2`Launchpad bug 933710 in gnome-desktop3 "Laptops with eDP panels do not suspend when lid closed" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93371010:46
chrisccoulsondholbach, please do :)10:47
chrisccoulsoni can test that too10:47
seb128dholbach, I can sponsor that now if you want10:47
chrisccoulsoni have one of those displays10:47
dholbachseb128, as you like it - I can do it too10:48
seb128same here I think, but I never suspended on lid close :p10:48
dholbachI just ran across it10:48
seb128dholbach, let me do it, thanks10:48
dholbachrock and roll10:48
seb128dholbach, I just finished what I was doing10:48
seb128thanks for pointing it10:48
* dholbach hugs you all10:48
* seb128 hugs dholbach10:48
chrisccoulsonseb128, i hope that mozilla's platform is a bit better than bada btw ;)10:58
chrisccoulsonand it already looks like it is, from what i saw when i saw it demoed10:58
chrisccoulsonhttp://www.openwebdevice.com/ ;)10:58
chrisccoulson"This is a 100% open project where, for instance, operators and OEMs can actively and openly contribute to the code, instead of Mozilla developing internally and making code drops available."10:59
chrisccoulsonlol, i wish some other people did that too ;)10:59
seb128chrisccoulson, right, I just doubt that for 50€ you can get as good hardware that a galaxy or iphone11:00
seb128it's like the cost of the device production with the material they use11:00
seb128stuff like the screen, cpu etc are no that cheap11:00
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chrisccoulsonhopefully it will end up some decent devices :)11:00
seb128I would have prefered a decent phone for half the price11:00
seb128rather than a cheap phone ;-)11:01
seb128but yeah, let's see11:01
seb128I'm sure that has potential on markets where people can't afford expensive smart phones though11:02
xclaessehmm, ctr-alt-up/down does not work anymore in gnome-shell to switch workspace11:03
xclaessein ubuntu precise11:04
seb128xclaesse, change the keybindings in the control center11:04
seb128xclaesse, we changed the default to be super-shift rather than ctrl-alt11:04
seb128xclaesse, btw while you are there, where did the "revert ctrl-del keybinding" changes you commit for nautilus were discussed?11:05
seb128xclaesse, it would be nice to add some context in the commits, especially after ui freeze11:05
xclaessethey always said the correct fix is the undo, it's now done, I reverted the poor workaround11:06
xclaesseas everyone asked on bugzilla11:06
seb128xclaesse, did you get an ack from maintainers? where was it discussed ?11:06
xclaessenot as if they asked to make that in the first place11:06
seb128well "they" are the maintainers, they don't need to ask to do changes to what they maintain...11:07
xclaessethey did it after freeze without approval, in previous cycle11:07
seb128still, it's like random people want and commited to empathy without asking you or another maintainer11:08
seb128that feels weird11:08
seb128let's see if one the maintainers actually complain ;-)11:08
xclaesseI don't think they use nautilus11:08
xclaessethey surely use "rm" to delete a file11:08
xclaesseotherwise they would have found immediately that ctr-del is too dangerous with shift-del just next to it11:09
seb128or they use dnd or the context menu11:09
seb128well anyway I was asking because I looked to the commit to see where it was discussed, i.e bug report or other reference11:10
seb128and I wondered if you meant to commit that to master or rather to another vcs and you screwed up11:10
seb128seems you meant it ;-)11:10
xclaesseI did not discuss it, other than around a beer with fredp :p11:11
xclaessethey won't listen anyway11:11
xclaesseso I just did it11:11
xclaesseto see what happens11:11
seb128it's often not the way to get what you want11:11
seb128but let's see11:11
seb128I've the popcorn ready :p11:11
xclaesseseb128, the bug is https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64865811:12
ubot2`Gnome bug 648658 in File and Folder Operations "Change the Ctrl+del key back to Del and use notifications instead" [Enhancement,Resolved: fixed]11:12
xclaesseseb128, what's the rational for changing to shift-super-up/down btw? is that an ubuntu-specific change?11:15
seb128xclaesse, yes, it's ubuntu specific, and I think the rational is to have all the standard keybindings based around the super key11:16
seb128xclaesse, easier for new users, though confusing for old users, we still discuss how to deal with that11:16
seb128xclaesse, it's easy enough to change back in the control center for now while we sort it ouy11:16
xclaesseseb128, hmm, ok...11:17
chrisccoulsonhmmm, i officially hate patches to CSS11:42
seb128chrisccoulson, I though you hated any patches ;-)11:44
chrisccoulsonseb128, i especially hate CSS patches11:45
seb128chrisccoulson, btw do you still plan to look at g-s-d login time this cycle?11:45
chrisccoulsonthe problem with those is that they tend to end up being one huge chunk, which means that a single character change anywhere in the file causes the entire patch to fail to apply11:45
chrisccoulsonwe get that frequently with thunderbird11:45
seb128on my e6410 there is a gap of almost 3 seconds between g-s-d starts and anything else starts11:45
chrisccoulsonand Cimi thinks he's going to be distro-patching changes to the firefox theme11:46
seb128chrisccoulson, seems similar to glade patches :p11:46
chrisccoulsonover my dead body ;)11:46
chrisccoulsonseb128, yeah, i still plan to look at login time11:46
chrisccoulsonhas it regressed on your laptop then?11:46
chrisccoulsoni haven't checked mine recently11:46
seb128not sure11:47
seb128I've this 3 seconds gap11:47
seb128but during that time xorg is busy with a pink color bar11:48
seb128I've a monitors.xml for my config as well11:48
seb128I need to test without a stored config11:48
chrisccoulsonoh, sounds like display probing again ;)11:48
seb128could be11:48
chrisccoulsonthis is a typical css patch btw. is this what glade patches look like too? http://paste.ubuntu.com/859061/11:49
pittichrisccoulson: glade patches are worse as they are a real tree11:51
chrisccoulsonsounds fun ;)11:53
Sweetsharkchrisccoulson: please say hi to moggi_work, the guy running down the mozilla/libreoffice issue.12:10
moggi_workchrisccoulson: Sweetshark: hey12:12
moggi_workmy current assumption is that we have a problem with the new firefox/thunderbird profile12:13
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BigWhaleWhy are hotkeys for moving around the desktop remapped? It used to be Meta-Arrows, now it is Super-Arrow. It results in a few weird effects because super is also used for dash and launcher... :>13:12
BigWhale... hmm Meta is now used for HUD ...13:13
ryeBigWhale, re: super behavior for dash/launcher - bug #94019813:18
ubot2`Launchpad bug 940198 in unity "Help screen activates when switching desktops (dup-of: 939521)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94019813:18
ubot2`Launchpad bug 939521 in unity-distro-priority "Shortcut overlay appears even if you Super + another key" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93952113:18
seb128you guys, can you move those discussions to #ubuntu-unity?13:20
seb128it's like 5 times we have the keybindings discussion now, it's enough spamming of this channel for dx changes ;-)13:21
BigWhaleSorry. I'm just semi-present today. :)13:21
didrocksseb128: in fact 5+3 for when you weren't there :p13:22
seb128didrocks, ;-)13:22
seb128well anyway let's not discuss keybindings anymore here and just redirect to #ubuntu-unity13:22
didrocks(+8 even ;))13:24
tkamppeterpitti, bug 936629 is an Apport permission problem, can you have a look into it?13:47
ubot2`Launchpad bug 936629 in cups "Printing fails after printing first document " [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93662913:47
pittitkamppeter: yes,  it's on my radar13:48
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kamstrupAnyone know what happened to the bzr-rewrite plugin? It just has an empty package in precise14:04
seb128kamstrup, seems micahg broke it14:09
seb128kamstrup, i.e packaging error14:09
seb128kamstrup, can you open a bug?14:09
kamstrupseb128: thanks - was wondering if had a broken setup and was merely seeing some transitional package. Will open a bug14:09
seb128kamstrup, thanks14:10
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seb128kamstrup, you can probably wget http://cdn.debian.net/debian/pool/main/b/bzr-rewrite/bzr-rewrite_0.6.2+bzr242-1_all.deb and dpkg -i it14:11
seb128kamstrup, if you want a local fix meanwhile14:11
kamstrupseb128: thanks14:12
seb128kamstrup, yw14:20
seb128I knew that this nautilus revert without approval would lead to discussion ;-)14:23
didrocksseb128: oh, where?14:29
seb128didrocks, #gnome-hackers14:30
didrocksah :)14:30
desrtDBO: hey?15:43
desrtwho is michael hruby?15:45
* desrt notes that http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/bamf/trunk/revision/446 broke bamf due to some (apparent?) bad merge conflict resolution15:48
chrisccoulsondesrt, i guess that is mhr3 ;)15:53
desrtmhr3: you broke bamf :)15:54
mhr3desrt, i did what?15:54
desrtmhr3: see url above ^^15:54
desrtplz fix :)15:54
* Sweetshark is going slightly mad debugging bug 562027 ...15:55
ubot2`Launchpad bug 562027 in libreoffice "[Upstream] Unable to shutdown / reboot / logout when quickstarter is active" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/56202715:55
mhr3desrt, the removal of that one line doesn't seem right15:55
desrtDBO: are you sure this commit is correct: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/bamf/trunk/revision/366 ?15:56
desrtDBO: i think you only own one ref, but you are dropping 2.15:56
desrtoh.  read it wrong.  disregard.15:57
* desrt wonders wtf is going on here15:57
desrtthis is showing up in valgrind, which i find quite odd... ref() unref() should not be causing a free....15:58
* desrt digs into closed signal handler15:59
mhr3desrt, so what exactly did i break?16:01
mhr3afaict i properly merged it - see https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/bamf/bamf.export-pid/+merge/9314016:02
desrtmhr3: there was a line in the header dropped by the merge16:02
desrtthe utf8 property getter16:02
mhr3desrt, if that wasn't supposed to be removed blame the merge i pasted16:04
mhr3i just re-merged it after making a tarball16:04
desrtmhr3: i'm afraid my bzr-fu is not up to snuff16:04
desrtyou're saying this is macro's fault?16:04
desrtTrevinho: poke16:05
mhr3desrt, no, marco just approved it, it was jason's branch16:05
* desrt doesn't see his name here anywhere16:05
desrtmhr3: do you have access to fix it?16:06
mhr3desrt, yea, need to merge propose it though, otherwise didrocks would kill me16:08
didrocksmhr3: do I need that particular reason to do so? :)16:08
mhr3and it looks like i'm pretty close to getting killed by him :P16:08
* didrocks looks at the pile of prooves against mhr3 on his desk :)16:09
desrtdidrocks: bzr messed up a merge and deleted a line of code by accident16:09
desrtdidrocks: it needs to be added back16:09
didrocksdesrt: yeah yeah, it's all bzr's fault! :)16:09
didrocksdesrt: which one?16:09
desrtdidrocks: i prefer to blame tools than coworkers :)16:09
desrtsee https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/bamf/bamf.export-pid/+merge/9314016:09
desrt65 -gchar * bamf_window_get_utf8_prop (BamfWindow *self, const char* prop);16:10
desrt66 +guint32 bamf_window_get_pid (BamfWindow *self);16:10
didrocksdesrt: but but, tools are your best friends! :)16:10
desrtthat should have been a straight add -- not a replace16:10
didrocksmhr3: you almost break ABI! :)16:10
desrtdidrocks: not his fault!  remember: blame bzr ;)16:11
didrocksoh right16:11
didrocksbad bad bzr :p16:11
* didrocks rethinks of some sentence "if you cherry-pick this patch for the release, you will assume the consequence" :)16:11
mhr3didrocks, damn it, i should have left you do the tarball and the blame could be on you :P16:11
didrocksfortunatly, he has chosen the safe side! :)16:11
didrocksmhr3: heh, that what you get from helping!16:12
desrtmaybe we blame lp, actually16:12
* desrt got bitten by a similar bug recently16:12
desrti had a working branch, pushed it16:13
desrtted setup an MR16:13
mhr3didrocks, so, can i push it directly or do we want a merge?16:13
desrtand somehow the MR ended up with a conflicted merge in it16:13
didrocksmhr3: no, push it directly16:13
didrocksmhr3: all this branch foo was already manual16:13
didrocksmhr3: oh no16:13
didrocksmhr3: sorry, propose a merge16:13
didrocksmhr3: so that it's pushed to the ppa16:13
mhr3and you'll want test then, right?16:13
didrocksmhr3: self approve it16:13
mhr3i'm sooo not writing them :P16:13
didrocksmhr3: fine for this once ;)16:14
desrttest: grep for bamf_window_get_utf8_prop in the header.  is it there?: test passes!16:14
didrocksbut shhhhhhh, don't tell anybody16:14
didrocksin addition, not to an IRC channel16:14
didrockswe are only the three of us, that's fine :)16:14
mhr3especially not a logged one16:14
didrocksright, so "shhhhhhhh" :-)16:14
desrtfor google: ubuntu canonical bamf unity test merge bzr "no test" "without test" didrocks approved autolanding16:15
ricotzseb128, hello, was staying evolution 3.2.x a decision made by the lack of time and man-power or were there serious stability concerns?16:15
didrocksdesrt: dude, I really hate you sometimes :p16:15
seb128ricotz, hey, at UDS time they announced that they would port it to gsettings and webkit this cycle, and knowing evolution there is no way that would result in a stable version16:16
seb128ricotz, so we stayed behind16:16
seb128ricotz, did they back out from it?16:16
desrtdidrocks: just trolling to keep my sanity :)16:16
didrocksdesrt: I'm clearly seeing that ;)16:16
* desrt attempts to sort out what the hell is going on inside bamffactory16:16
ricotzseb128, i think the gsettings transitions was done, not sure about the webkit one16:17
BigWhaleoffice time ends! yay!16:17
ricotzseb128, but there are requests to have it updated to 3.316:17
seb128ricotz, that's risky and impact on stuff like indicator-datetime16:17
seb128ricotz, so not for this cycle16:17
ricotzseb128, the problem is most likely the e-d-s transition16:18
ricotzseb128, is there anything else serious besides indicator-datetime?16:19
mhr3didrocks, i updated https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/bamf/bamf.export-pid/+merge/9314016:20
mhr3didrocks, now let's see how the merge bot will handle it ;)16:21
* mhr3 prepares popcorn16:21
seb128ricotz, evo is not a trivial codebase, we need to test migrations, and by experience it takes them 2 cycles to get things working as good as before after such transition16:22
seb128ricotz, there is no way we do that transition now16:23
didrocksmhr3: if something bad happens, it won't be the merger/my fault. It will be launchpad/bzr16:23
didrocksmhr3: I learnt that from the best, desrt! :)16:23
desrtmhr3: are you doing general hacking on bamf?16:23
mhr3didrocks, you're a quick learner... but it needs your approve ;)16:23
desrtmhr3: if so, and you have some time, i have a fun bug that really really needs tracking down16:24
mhr3desrt, no, i just did a tarball cause didrocks was swamped16:24
ricotzseb128, ok, thanks, i will forward this16:24
desrtah.  i see.16:24
seb128ricotz, thanks16:24
ricotzseb128, i am hoping nothing will bump its dependencies on e-d-s 3.316:24
desrthttp://fpaste.org/H9Oz/ demonstrates a bug in refcounting in bamf16:24
mhr3desrt, jason or Trevinho are your people ;)16:25
seb128ricotz, it's past feature freeze, I doubt it16:25
desrtDBO, Trevinho: ^^16:25
ricotzseb128, hoping so ;)16:25
desrtif you close a window that was open at the time the program started you get a critical (or crash if under valgrind)16:25
DavieyHas anyone reported losing right click ability on synaptic touchpads?16:32
SarvattDaviey: on a mac touchpad?16:34
Sarvattaka 2 finger press as a right click not actually clicking the right button?16:34
Sarvattif so then yes https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/94104616:34
ubot2`Launchpad bug 941046 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "Recent "clickpad patch" breaks two-finger-right-click" [Undecided,Confirmed]16:34
Sweetsharkcan anyone confirm if bug 562027 is currently visible on precise? I cant reproduce reproduce it on oneiric and on my precise-VM the only thing that disturbs the logout is the crash reporter popping back into it.16:44
ubot2`Launchpad bug 562027 in libreoffice "[Upstream] Unable to shutdown / reboot / logout when quickstarter is active" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/56202716:44
pittigood night everyone!17:10
Trevinhodesrt, mhr3: I look to that17:10
seb128'night pitti17:11
didrocksgood night pitti17:14
desrtTrevinho: i filed a bug with a fix here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bamf/+bug/94207017:19
ubot2`Launchpad bug 942070 in bamf "bamf matcher messes up refcounting on views" [Undecided,New]17:19
desrtnot 100% sure of the fix, but it makes sense to me and it fixes the problem17:22
DBOdesrt, can you explain the problem in more detail17:40
mhr3desrt, is gdbusproxy thread-safe?17:40
desrtDBO: "run the attached code and observe criticals"17:40
desrtmhr3: i think that doesn't really make sense17:40
desrtthings that fire signals really need to be owned by a single thread17:41
desrtie: the thread that the signals will be delivered to17:41
desrtbeyond that, there are varying degrees of what could be classified as threadsafety.  which one did you have in mind?17:41
mhr3desrt, so using it from a gio thread is not a good idea? :)17:41
desrti'd guess probably not...17:42
desrtlike, it's definitely safe to have multiple proxies in use in different threads at the same time17:42
desrtbut i don't think it makes snese to use a gdbusproxy from a thread other than its 'owner' thread17:43
desrtwhich we actually define in terms of the thread that owns the GMainContext that was the thread-default main context in effect at the time that the gdbusproxy was created17:43
desrt(which for all intents and purposes is the thread in which it was created)17:44
mhr3thought so, just wanted to have a confirmation from people who know for sure :)17:45
DBOdesrt, yeah I think you are right17:46
Trevinhodesrt: I agree :)17:47
mhr3DBO, any idea what would cause bamf to think that my devhelp window isn't on my current workspace even if it is?17:47
TrevinhoActually I've seen that reffing thing since long time, but I'm not sure why DBO put it inside :)17:47
desrtdoes that mean you'll write the tests for me to get it committed? :)17:48
DBOmhr3, do you have latest unity trunk?17:48
mhr3DBO, no, i'm running 5.417:48
DBOTrevinho, the internal reffing?17:48
Trevinhodesrt: do a merge request, and see if you can add to the tests we have inb bamf17:48
DBOTrevinho, the matcher shouldn't be reffing but the factory should17:48
TrevinhoDBO: the reffing on signal... I mean, it's right... But only if it happens on all cases17:49
desrtthe factory is17:49
desrtin a weird roundabout way17:49
Trevinhoyes, the factory of course17:49
desrtit's unclear whether the ref is conceptually owned by the list or the hashtable17:49
desrtin reality it's owned by the hashtable17:49
desrt(because the function that removes it from the hashtable calls unref() on it)17:49
desrtbut it gets reffed as it's added to the list...17:49
DBOdesrt, I simply think of the ref as being owned by the factory, period17:49
Trevinhodesrt: the ref should be both owned by the internal list and the factory hashtable17:49
desrtDBO: sounds good to me :)17:49
Trevinhothe factory's list has no ownership17:49
desrtTrevinho: well.... it gets removed from the list in a weakref handler17:50
desrtso the list can't own a proper ref or it would never be removed17:50
Trevinhodesrt: I mean the cached list of the view (if it's a children)17:50
DBOTrevinho, propose/desrt simply propose a merge17:50
* desrt lets the people with more launchpad experience navigate that17:50
DBOgood catch desrt17:51
desrtthanks for the fast feedback17:51
micahgseb128: oops, I thought I checked that, will fix18:02
didrockstime for some exercice! /me waves good evening18:02
seb128micahg: hey, thanks18:02
desrtDBO: hey.  another bug, while we're at it?18:02
desrtDBO: it seems that bamf-view is failing to properly cleanup priv->local_name and priv->local_icon in its dispose() -> leaks18:03
DBOdesrt, Trevinho^^18:05
DBOsorry I cant do it now18:05
Trevinhodesrt: really? I tought I added them...18:07
desrtTrevinho: would appear not18:08
Trevinhodesrt: yes, you're right18:08
desrtthey're showing up in valgrind and i can't find any trace of them in dispose (and there is no finalize)18:08
Trevinhomaybe I added them in a branch I didn't push :/18:08
Trevinhoit happens :P18:08
* desrt does that a lot :)18:08
* Trevinho fixes it18:08
* desrt is nearing 0 leaks on the hud-service rewrite18:09
TrevinhoDBO, desrt also approve this: https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/bamf/coverity-fix-93739818:09
* desrt is not getting involved with approvals18:10
DBOTrevinho, done18:10
* desrt is scared of didrocks, honestly18:10
DBOdesrt, no worries18:10
desrtthe guy knows where i live18:10
Trevinhodesrt: about? :)18:10
DBOdesrt, hes french18:10
desrtTrevinho: if i approve something that has a bug in it, he kills me, right? :)18:11
DBOdesrt, nah thats normally in an employment contract18:11
DBOstupid immune contractors18:11
TrevinhoDBO: can be sensed to add an hashtable to cache the xprops in libunity?18:29
DBOTrevinho, no18:30
DBOthey might change18:30
Trevinhomh ok18:31
TrevinhoI'm dropping some things you left there...18:31
TrevinhoDBO, desrt: https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/bamf/dispose-fixes/+merge/9482418:39
rickspencer3does any one know that trick that pitti told me about how to find which Python module is being and naughty and not using goi?18:41
DBOTrevinho, apporved and marked as such18:42
broderrickspencer3: "echo raise Exception >./gtk.py" would probably work :)18:45
rickspencer3hey broder18:45
rickspencer3well, I guess I would have to add that the goi library somewhere, right?18:45
brodera gtk.py in your current directory will supersede the globally installed one18:46
broderthen anytime anything tries to import gtk, it'll throw and you get a traceback18:46
dobeyi think that's the first time i've seen someone say goi18:48
kenvandinebroder, that is a nifty trick18:48
dobeyin context of py-gi18:48
dobeyrickspencer3: you can play around with sys.modules also18:49
rickspencer3broder, thanks18:53
dobeymeh, and that movie isn't on blu ray yet :-/18:53
pittirickspencer3: edit /usr/share/pyshared/gobject/constants.py and add a "raise ImportError('not me!')" at the top18:54
* pitti off again, I didn't actually mean to open IRC18:54
rickspencer3thanks pitti18:54
* rickspencer3 pitti &18:54
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mvopitti: hm, bug #930839 - I'm pretty sure that no thread (other than the main one) is touching the UI, sure this is not some gtk problem instead?20:15
ubot2`Launchpad bug 930839 in update-manager "update-manager crashed with SIGABRT in __assert_fail_base(): Assertion !xcb_xlib_unknown_req_in_deq failed in dequeue_pending_request" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93083920:15
jonowhat is the latest Unity release version in 12.04?20:24
seb128jono, you mean the current one of the one we will ship with?20:25
dobeyjono: i have 5.4.0-0ubuntu2 it seems20:25
jonoseb128, the current version right now in 12.0420:25
seb128jono, what dobey says20:25
jonodobey, thanks20:25
jonoI just wanted to ensure I am filing bugs against the right version20:27
jonothis bug where switching virtual desktops moves the window with focus is driving me nuts20:28
dobeyjono: you're using the wrong keybinding. stop holding shift down with ctrl+alt20:29
jonodobey, I mapped it to Ctrl+Alt Arrows20:30
jonodobey, what is the default key-binding for this now?20:30
dobeyjono: did you change the wrong setting then? moving a window around workspaces has been c-a-s for a very long time20:30
jonodobey, Ctrl-Alt-Arrow?20:30
jonoor Ctrl-Alt-Shift20:31
dobeysomeone decided to change the change workspaces keybinding to be super-shift-arrow20:31
jonoso I re-mapped it to Ctrl-Alt-Arrow20:31
jonoand Super-Shift-Arrow still works20:31
jonowhich is odd20:31
dobeyjono: C-A-arrow *was* change workspaces, C-A-S-arrow has been "move current window across workspaces" forever20:32
jonodobey, aha20:32
dobeyjono: you probably changed the wrong setting :)20:32
* jono checks20:32
dobeyi had this exact same conversation a few hours ago with jdo :P20:33
jonoyou are right dobey20:33
jonoI am an idiot20:33
jonosorry seb128, I will invalidate the bug20:33
jonoit turns out this is epic bacon user error20:33
seb128jono, no worry20:33
dobeyand there is another bug with a bajillion duplicates about keybinding getting changed, i'm sure20:34
desrtaww.  seb went to bed.20:52
desrt==13701==    definitely lost: 0 bytes in 0 blocks20:54
desrt==13701==    indirectly lost: 0 bytes in 0 blocks20:54
desrt==13701==      possibly lost: 0 bytes in 0 blocks20:54
desrtah.  the greatest sight there is.20:55
chrisccoulsondesrt, oh, that can't be something that we wrote, surely?20:55
desrtchrisccoulson: it's the hud after a round of bugfixing :)20:55
chrisccoulsonnice :)20:55
desrtwell, the hud-service, that is20:55
Sweetsharkdesrt: I have another little pet projects of mine at hand, that could use one of your 'rounds of bugfixing' ....21:01
* desrt is all rounded up for today21:02
desrtgotta do real work now :)21:02
Sweetsharkdesrt: ;)21:02
ricotzseb128, hi, i subscribed you to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libpst/+bug/94231123:25
ubot2`Launchpad bug 942311 in libpst "FFe: Update to libpst 0.6.54" [Undecided,New]23:25

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