[00:24] Is it just me, or is anybody else unable to click on an icon in the Unity 3D dash and have it activate? [00:29] TheMuso: Worked here just now. I do recall that behaviour yesterday, but I was hoping to chalk it up to my built-from-source unity plugin being awkward; it was also crashing like mad. [00:43] RAOF: Hrm ok. This is after updating to latest packages and a reboot this morning... [00:44] I'm running cleaner stuff now, and it's working. For now! :) [00:55] hrm ok [01:31] Bah, multiarch. Stop having conflicting changelog.gz [01:43] RAOF: wasn't that supposed to be fixed? [01:44] jbicha: Which particular problem? Multiarch changelogs sometimes getting into a weird super-awesome conflicty state? [01:45] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=647522 [01:45] Debian bug 647522 in gzip "gzip -9n is not deterministic" [Normal,Open] [01:47] I'm not sure this was actually the same problem. [01:47] But it might have been. === topdownjimmy is now known as jay-tmt-2 === jay-tmt-2 is now known as topdownjimmy2 [02:18] RAOF: Hrm seems things with the dash are working after a reboot. [02:18] Weird. [02:28] robert_ancell: apparently the new gnome-screensaver doesn't want to let me unlock it... any thought? [02:29] stgraber, don't know anything off hand - do you know what version triggered the problem? [02:30] stgraber: caps lock? ....lol [02:30] oh, now that's really odd. 3.2.1 was failing for me since I installed it, so I just reverted to 3.2.0 and it worked fine [02:30] but upgrading again still works [02:30] (obviously killing the gnome-screensaver process) [02:31] jbicha: hehe, I've been unlocking my screensaver from gnome-screensaver-command for a few days now, so believe me, I made sure I'm typing the right password ;) [02:31] though the fact that downgrading/upgrading worked is really odd, maybe one of the binaries got corrupted somehow [02:31] oh, a few days? wow [02:33] jbicha: yeah, been busy with other things and was initially suspecting some PAM issues, though I then confirmed that pam_unix was indeed called and works fine outside of gnome-screensaver [02:33] anyway, the downgrade/upgrade fixed it AFAICS so I'm happy with that [02:33] I have my laptop configured to lock after a minute of inactivty, so switching to tty1 and back to unlock was getting slightly annoying ;) [02:34] 1 minute, that's hardcore [02:38] well, that's the usual time it takes me to loose sight of my laptop when heading somewhere else, so that way I don't have to remember to lock it [06:08] Good morning [06:08] Laney: OK, I'll seed these two then [06:12] Sweetshark: why does libreoffice-gnome not depend on libreoffice-gtk3? [06:12] Sweetshark: should we seed -gtk3 explicitly? [06:41] You know what's totally awesome? Writing tests for asynchronous protocol. [06:41] Wait, did I say awesome? I may have meant painful. [06:48] good morning [06:50] Hey didrocks, Good morning! [06:50] good morning RAOF ;) [07:18] bonjour didrocks [07:18] hey RAOF [07:18] did you have a nice weekend? [07:19] guten morgen pitti, how are you? [07:19] was a nice week-end here, quite short, but really enjoyable :) [07:19] got a cold last Friday, so we had a very quiet weekend; getting better, though [07:19] argh, take care! [08:32] pitti: libreoffice-gnome hopefully depends on libreoffice-gtk. libreoffice-gtk3 is still _very_ experimental. [08:33] Sweetshark: ah, I see; so it should go into universe for now? (because it wants to) [08:34] pitti: yes [08:34] Sweetshark: ack, moved [08:34] Sweetshark, hi, could -gtk3 be an alternative to -gtk? meaning "libreoffice-gtk | libreoffice-gtk3" [08:35] pitti, hello [08:35] ricotz: well not yet IMHO. it should be there only for the fearless. [08:35] hey ricotz, wie gehts? [08:35] Sweetshark, alright ;) [08:35] pitti, danke, gut [08:35] ich hoffe dir auch [08:36] Sweetshark, the build size of libreoffice in ppas is still a huge problem :\ [08:36] pitti, are you able to restart this one https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/ppa/+build/3239100 ? [08:37] Moin ricotz, pitti, all! [08:37] pitti: I had a very lazy weekend; it was 39C and 37C respectively. That puts a bit of a crimp on attempting to do anything physical! [08:37] pitti, i am not sure when i cancel it if i am able to retry it afterwards [08:37] ricotz: yes, I am, but woudl that help anything? [08:37] ricotz: yes, you should be able to [08:37] pitti, wgrant said the buildd have different sizes [08:37] ricotz: if you cancel a PPA build, you cannot restart it [08:37] so sometimes it works [08:37] ah [08:38] ricotz: I can help you with building it on a particular buildd, but you need to tell me which [08:38] pitti, oh let me look [08:39] pitti, the previous amd64 build worked fine on rutherfordium (virtual-64) [08:39] https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/ppa/+build/3237947 [08:39] chrischoulson: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43868 (last three comments) and https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45171 [08:39] Freedesktop bug 43868 in Libreoffice "FILEOPEN document saved with password: correct password not recognized" [Blocker,Closed: fixed] [08:40] ricotz: and you know that promethium will fail? [08:41] ricotz: hm, I don't see rutherfordium on https://launchpad.net/builders [08:41] pitti, hmm, i dont know [08:41] https://launchpad.net/builders/rutherfordium [08:41] I guess it was taken down again for other purposes [08:41] rickspencer3: I read that your LibreOffice works again. What did change? Was it the 3.5.0final upload or did you maybe remove ~/.libreoffice to get it working? [08:42] Sweetshark, dunno, just did a dist-upgrade on Friday, and it started working after that [08:42] Sweetshark, I saw there was a crasher that I had fixed [08:42] so I assumed it was that [08:42] rickspencer3: most likely. [08:43] pitti, the lucid amd64 build was smaller by 3gb, so these builder might not -- https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/ppa/+build/3239141 [08:46] pitti, hoping the best for promethium ;) [08:46] micahg, thanks for making this clear :) [09:00] hey [09:00] hey seb128 [09:00] hey pitti, wie gehts? had a good w.e? [09:01] seb128: fairly quiet, we didn't do much at all; veery relaxing :) [09:01] quite nice after travelling three weekends in a row [09:01] and I got a light cold anyway [09:02] pitti, relaxing is good as well indeed ;-) [09:03] salut seb128! [09:03] didrocks, lut, en forme ? [09:03] seb128: ouai, on commence toujours pas un crash Xorg, mais ça va :) [09:04] et toi? [09:04] ca va bien, mon xorg est stable ;-) [09:06] :p [09:06] https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/compiz-core/fix-940139/+merge/94715 waouh: '"DOUBLED the CPU performance of compiz." [09:07] good start of week for compiz ;-) [09:08] "Status: Superseded" ? [09:09] pitti, https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/compiz-core/fix-940139/+merge/94728 is the new one it seems [09:09] (was reading from bug emails) [09:09] wow indeed! [09:09] ;-) [09:10] seb128: yeah, will be in this week compiz release :) [09:10] didrocks, excellent [09:10] apparenlty sam had a similar one last cycle but forgot to merge it [09:10] pitti, so, tell me, how frozen is beta? [09:11] pitti, is that worth trying to get the nautilus,zg integration patch from dx in or is that better after beta? [09:11] (the patch does register every file copied to zg) [09:12] seb128: I'm not driving this time, not sure if we have another rebuild planned [09:12] better coordinate in #u-release [09:13] seb128: there's certainly room for a respin still [09:13] well I wouldn't want a respin for that [09:13] I guess I can just upload and then ask there to see if they want to let it in or daly [09:13] delay [09:14] right [09:19] Sweetshark: will libreoffice-report-builder realistically come back for precise? [09:19] Sweetshark: if not, would you mind dropping it from the transitional openoffice.org-report-builder package? (it should just be a "dead" transitional package without dependencies then, to avoid breaking upgrades) [09:21] for precise -- no it wont. [09:21] * Sweetshark adds todo. [09:21] thanks [09:29] chrisccoulson: chris, old friend! [09:29] pitti, hi === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [09:30] chrisccoulson: There is the suspicion going on that your latest oneiric firefox update broke LibreOffice! Isnt that a great way to start the week? [09:31] is anyone else having alt-tab or issues? like I run gedit from a command line and doing alt-tab once doesn't send me back to it [09:34] uh, why oh why was the "switch desktop" shortcut changed. current one doesn't even work right [09:35] tjaalton: [09:37] Sweetshark: bug #? [09:38] seb128: just tried, works here [09:38] ricotz: btw, are you on the "libreoffice packaging mailing list"? I get multiple questions because people are missing the 3.4.5 update for oneiric in the ppa now. [09:38] tjaalton: it's just a keybinding change, I would be surprise for it to not work well [09:38] didrocks, ok, I regularly get it, like running dch, alt-tabbing back to the command line and alt-tab goes it my IRC [09:38] tjaalton: but for all the keybinding remarks, please ping JohnLea [09:39] didrocks: keeping super down brings the shortcut popup in front [09:39] tjaalton, or better than ping, please open bugs [09:39] seb128: hum, not fun, need to have a reproducible test case when you get a chance to unerstand what's going on [09:39] anyway, was easy to change back.. [09:39] tjaalton: right, known issue, bug opened even before the upload. It's tricky [09:39] didrocks, yeah, I will try to get one, first step was to see if others get the issue as well ;-) [09:39] tjaalton: will be fixed by a compiz upload and an unity patch [09:40] didrocks: ok [09:40] seb128: never noticed until now, sorry :( [09:40] micahg: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43868 (last three comments) and https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45171, also bug 919659 [09:40] Launchpad bug 919659 in libreoffice "[Downstream] Can't open/save document or spreadsheet with password" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/919659 [09:40] Freedesktop bug 43868 in Libreoffice "FILEOPEN document saved with password: correct password not recognized" [Blocker,Closed: fixed] [09:40] Sweetshark, oh, how so? [09:40] good morning everyone :) [09:42] chrisccoulson: existing firefox profile+firefox update+LibreOffice-3.4.5 => bad (cant open password protected files anymore) [09:42] Sweetshark: we don't use the system nss/nspr for firefox/thunderbird anymore, so LO shouldn't be affected by updates [09:43] good morning chrisccoulson :) [09:43] chrisccoulson, micahg: It is not that critical as LibreOffice 3.4.5 is still in proposed. [09:43] hey didrocks [09:43] micahg: does system nss maybe still read the profiles (and the updates change/migrate them)? [09:45] Sweetshark: not sure [09:45] chrisccoulson: on the LibreOffice side, moggi on #libreoffice-dev is doing excellent work on this. But he just went to work, so will be back later maybe. [09:46] micahg, chrisccoulson: this bug hits debian, ubuntu and gentoo, but it seems fedora/opensuse are spared by it. [09:52] Sweetshark, hmm, i guess i am not subscribed then (will do), i removed this package in favour of the official one in oneiric, but i see it is still -proposed [09:55] ricotz: yes and bug 873702 hits the builds to oneiric-proposed, but _not_ the ones in the ppa. So people were happily using the ppa and will not be happy with the same version in proposed. [09:55] Launchpad bug 873702 in libreoffice "some function names in Calc appear in english others in local language (mixed up) " [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/873702 [09:56] didrocks: hello ... got latest upgrades this morning and ctrl+alt+cursor-keys is broken to move around workspaces :/ [09:56] ricotz: why that bug only hits builds to proposed/main, but not ppas is *cough* "interesting" ... [09:56] didrocks: it doesnt do anything [09:56] asac: it's not broken, it has been reaffected :) [09:56] ricotz: it is exactly the same source package [09:56] * didrocks is giving the same answer for the 20th time [09:57] didrocks: what does that mean? [09:57] on IRC, email :) [09:57] didrocks: having fun yet? ;) [09:57] asac: design changed the shortcut [09:57] didrocks: whats the shortcut? [09:57] now? [09:57] asac: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1jqeKtIJwqLtl58Wk_fqjr9Rrgxn9zsouCYOo-cZsLSE/edit [09:57] asac: please, address any complain to JohnLea :) [09:58] * didrocks changed back the shortcuts finally after trying for 5 days [09:58] asac, bug #940085 [09:58] Launchpad bug 940085 in compiz "12.04, Compiz Wall plugin default shortcut keys are incorrect" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/940085 [09:58] didrocks: how can i switch workspaces now :) [09:59] i need to do that [09:59] if i cannot do that i am lost :( [09:59] well ... can move all apps to one workspace again [09:59] asac: on the documentation, it's Shift + super + arrowss [09:59] Sweetshark, i see, there are two huge differences the ppa doesnt build against the -propose pocket, and it depends on ppa:ubuntu-toolchain-r/ppa ! [09:59] asac: to move a window on another ws, it's Super + alt + arrows [09:59] hah [09:59] erg [09:59] when i press that [09:59] i even get the shortcut keys documentation [09:59] while switching [09:59] right, "known bug" [09:59] asac: yeah, known issue [09:59] seems its double occupied [10:00] in this case it was good :) [10:00] hehe [10:00] asac, got to the control center and put it back to what you want and comment on the bug [10:00] so whats the rational? [10:00] just random ergonomics? [10:00] there is no point to flood #ubuntu-desktop with it, it's a design,dx decision [10:00] like shift+super is in average better to type [10:00] asac: Super is wanted to be the "central point of switching" [10:00] asac, I think the basis is that they want to make all the standard keybindings super based [10:00] Super based? Like Nick Minaj? [10:00] if i think about my real keyboard where the super key is like exposited very far outside [10:00] its not better [10:01] Nicki Minaj, rather [10:01] asac, i.e always do super- [10:01] mpt, lol [10:01] didrocks: well ... making super key the central point of switching is not so nice [10:01] because on my real keyboard its not a central key [10:01] asac: I'm not supportive of the change for the record [10:01] well [10:01] asac, well as said better to comment on a but, we all basically agree here and the discussion is not very useful [10:01] i think it makes sense [10:01] somewhat [10:01] but something that you need to convince design on [10:01] but only if there were keyboard manufacturers [10:01] but->bug [10:01] that listened and made ubuntu keys :) [10:02] ;-) [10:02] I tried for 5 days, didn't get accustomed to it and made my arms feeling pain [10:02] asac, maybe it's a first step, make the key actual special [10:02] then we can convince them we need an ubuntu logo on it ;-) [10:02] and then i have to send in my keyboard so they can make it a centrally located key [10:02] * didrocks would have been happy with Ctrl + Super on his keyboard TBH [10:03] Shift + super is quite painful [10:03] let me show you [10:03] thing is ... the ctrl+alt+cursor doesnt do anything now [10:03] so it could have been preserved [10:03] as legacy [10:04] ricotz: well, there is nothing in of relevance in ubuntu-toolchain-r for oneiric it seems to me. And we had the same issue waaay back with 3.4.4 -- fine in the ppa, broken in proposed. I dont think there is a broken package in proposed for that long. [10:04] asac: compiz doesn't support multiple key for the same action [10:04] ricotz: or is it? hmmmm. [10:06] didrocks: thats odd [10:06] didrocks: is itusing a key/key hashmap rather than key/value? [10:06] hehe [10:07] why do yuou need a unique way from actkion to key? [10:07] talk to upstream please ;) [10:07] * didrocks has already more than 12 hours of work to do today [10:08] Sweetshark, building against "gnutls26 - 2.12.11-1" rather than 2.10.5-1ubuntu3 looks like a difference to me [10:09] didrocks, stop replying to random channels IRC comment and get to work! ;-) [10:09] seb128: ok, I stop replying to your questions on #ubuntu-unity :p [10:09] didrocks, good first step ;-) [10:10] seb128: I propose that you switch the nautilus + quicklist work with the nux blacklist :p [10:10] lol, no thanks :p [10:10] didrocks: stop whining and write down how awesome I am at [10:10] didrocks, I'm looking to the nautilus zg stuff to start [10:10] let's see what I can do next [10:10] didrocks: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BjoernMichaelsen/YourDeveloperApplication now that you did sponsor an upload for me ;) [10:11] wasnt there a feature to make ctrl+alt the super key [10:11] Greetings. So, is it safe to select download while updating and install 3rd party software with precise? Is this fuxed yet? [10:11] very down on the low level for old keyboards tha dont have super? [10:11] err fixed. [10:11] Sweetshark: well, an upload is not sufficent for a testimonial :) [10:11] seb128: see, you pick your priorities! that's mean :) [10:11] didrocks: does money help? [10:12] asac, you can look in gnome-control-center, layout, the option button in the bottom right corner [10:12] Sweetshark: I think he's volunteering for more uploads :) [10:12] asac, that has all the low level xorg options stuff [10:12] thx [10:12] let me check [10:13] micahg: indeed [10:26] ups [10:31] seb128, what's this ex-chat you people are using? :) [10:31] BigWhale, it's an IRC client, why? [10:31] well I use xchat-gnome [10:32] sudo apt-get install xchat-gnome [10:32] Oh... I didn't realize that xchat had such signoff... :> I'm using it too. [10:35] nice, http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13970_7-57385616-78/telefonica-mozillaphone-costs-10-times-less-than-an-iphone/ [10:35] when can i get one??! :-) [10:36] want a crappy phone? ;-) [10:37] pitti: ricotz just had an interesting idea about the calc formula l10n bug. unknown to me, the ppa had a dep on the toolchain ppa from ancient natty times. this could be the difference why it does not work in -proposed, but does in the ppa. [10:38] Sweetshark: the build log should tell you which gcc/ld/etc. version it uses? [10:38] chrisccoulson, seems like those a semi-smart-phone, a samsung phone with bada is probably around the same [10:39] hmmm... my mouse just became unresponsive on my new laptop ... in 12.04. is this known bug? : [10:39] chrisccoulson, I've one, I can tell you it's feeling far from a smart phone experience, even if you can do stuff like browse the web etc [10:43] hiya [10:44] can somebody have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-greeter/+bug/884366? [10:44] Launchpad bug 884366 in unity-greeter "Theme is not customizable by downstream (derivative) distros" [Undecided,Confirmed] [10:45] dholbach, hey, I guess that's one for robert_ancell or mterry, but they are both not working at this time [10:46] ok, I hope I remember it later on and give them a prod :) [10:46] seb128, when is the next gnome release due? [10:46] I will try to ping them, I looked at it before but I just hate conffiles handling [10:46] I was wondering how you'd feel about pushing bug 933710 now so it can be properly tested [10:46] Launchpad bug 933710 in gnome-desktop3 "Laptops with eDP panels do not suspend when lid closed" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/933710 [10:47] dholbach, please do :) [10:47] i can test that too [10:47] dholbach, I can sponsor that now if you want [10:47] i have one of those displays [10:48] seb128, as you like it - I can do it too [10:48] same here I think, but I never suspended on lid close :p [10:48] I just ran across it [10:48] dholbach, let me do it, thanks [10:48] rock and roll [10:48] dholbach, I just finished what I was doing [10:48] thanks for pointing it [10:48] * dholbach hugs you all [10:48] * seb128 hugs dholbach [10:58] seb128, i hope that mozilla's platform is a bit better than bada btw ;) [10:58] and it already looks like it is, from what i saw when i saw it demoed [10:58] http://www.openwebdevice.com/ ;) [10:59] "This is a 100% open project where, for instance, operators and OEMs can actively and openly contribute to the code, instead of Mozilla developing internally and making code drops available." [10:59] lol, i wish some other people did that too ;) [11:00] chrisccoulson, right, I just doubt that for 50€ you can get as good hardware that a galaxy or iphone [11:00] it's like the cost of the device production with the material they use [11:00] stuff like the screen, cpu etc are no that cheap === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [11:00] hopefully it will end up some decent devices :) [11:00] I would have prefered a decent phone for half the price [11:01] rather than a cheap phone ;-) [11:01] but yeah, let's see [11:02] I'm sure that has potential on markets where people can't afford expensive smart phones though [11:03] hmm, ctr-alt-up/down does not work anymore in gnome-shell to switch workspace [11:04] in ubuntu precise [11:04] xclaesse, change the keybindings in the control center [11:04] xclaesse, we changed the default to be super-shift rather than ctrl-alt [11:05] xclaesse, btw while you are there, where did the "revert ctrl-del keybinding" changes you commit for nautilus were discussed? [11:05] xclaesse, it would be nice to add some context in the commits, especially after ui freeze [11:06] they always said the correct fix is the undo, it's now done, I reverted the poor workaround [11:06] as everyone asked on bugzilla [11:06] xclaesse, did you get an ack from maintainers? where was it discussed ? [11:06] not as if they asked to make that in the first place [11:07] well "they" are the maintainers, they don't need to ask to do changes to what they maintain... [11:07] they did it after freeze without approval, in previous cycle [11:08] still, it's like random people want and commited to empathy without asking you or another maintainer [11:08] that feels weird [11:08] let's see if one the maintainers actually complain ;-) [11:08] I don't think they use nautilus [11:08] they surely use "rm" to delete a file [11:09] otherwise they would have found immediately that ctr-del is too dangerous with shift-del just next to it [11:09] or they use dnd or the context menu [11:10] well anyway I was asking because I looked to the commit to see where it was discussed, i.e bug report or other reference [11:10] and I wondered if you meant to commit that to master or rather to another vcs and you screwed up [11:10] seems you meant it ;-) [11:11] I did not discuss it, other than around a beer with fredp :p [11:11] they won't listen anyway [11:11] so I just did it [11:11] right [11:11] to see what happens [11:11] it's often not the way to get what you want [11:11] but let's see [11:11] I've the popcorn ready :p [11:12] seb128, the bug is https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=648658 [11:12] Gnome bug 648658 in File and Folder Operations "Change the Ctrl+del key back to Del and use notifications instead" [Enhancement,Resolved: fixed] [11:15] seb128, what's the rational for changing to shift-super-up/down btw? is that an ubuntu-specific change? [11:16] xclaesse, yes, it's ubuntu specific, and I think the rational is to have all the standard keybindings based around the super key [11:16] xclaesse, easier for new users, though confusing for old users, we still discuss how to deal with that [11:16] xclaesse, it's easy enough to change back in the control center for now while we sort it ouy [11:17] seb128, hmm, ok... [11:42] hmmm, i officially hate patches to CSS [11:44] chrisccoulson, I though you hated any patches ;-) [11:45] seb128, i especially hate CSS patches [11:45] chrisccoulson, btw do you still plan to look at g-s-d login time this cycle? [11:45] the problem with those is that they tend to end up being one huge chunk, which means that a single character change anywhere in the file causes the entire patch to fail to apply [11:45] we get that frequently with thunderbird [11:45] on my e6410 there is a gap of almost 3 seconds between g-s-d starts and anything else starts [11:46] and Cimi thinks he's going to be distro-patching changes to the firefox theme [11:46] chrisccoulson, seems similar to glade patches :p [11:46] over my dead body ;) [11:46] yeah [11:46] seb128, yeah, i still plan to look at login time [11:46] has it regressed on your laptop then? [11:46] i haven't checked mine recently [11:47] not sure [11:47] I've this 3 seconds gap [11:48] but during that time xorg is busy with a pink color bar [11:48] I've a monitors.xml for my config as well [11:48] I need to test without a stored config [11:48] oh, sounds like display probing again ;) [11:48] could be [11:49] this is a typical css patch btw. is this what glade patches look like too? http://paste.ubuntu.com/859061/ [11:51] chrisccoulson: glade patches are worse as they are a real tree [11:53] heh [11:53] sounds fun ;) [12:10] chrisccoulson: please say hi to moggi_work, the guy running down the mozilla/libreoffice issue. [12:12] chrisccoulson: Sweetshark: hey [12:13] my current assumption is that we have a problem with the new firefox/thunderbird profile === chaoticuk_ is now known as chaoticuk === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === greyback is now known as greyback|lunch [13:12] Why are hotkeys for moving around the desktop remapped? It used to be Meta-Arrows, now it is Super-Arrow. It results in a few weird effects because super is also used for dash and launcher... :> [13:13] ... hmm Meta is now used for HUD ... [13:18] BigWhale, re: super behavior for dash/launcher - bug #940198 [13:18] Launchpad bug 940198 in unity "Help screen activates when switching desktops (dup-of: 939521)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/940198 [13:18] Launchpad bug 939521 in unity-distro-priority "Shortcut overlay appears even if you Super + another key" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/939521 [13:20] you guys, can you move those discussions to #ubuntu-unity? [13:21] it's like 5 times we have the keybindings discussion now, it's enough spamming of this channel for dx changes ;-) [13:21] thanks [13:21] Sorry. I'm just semi-present today. :) [13:22] seb128: in fact 5+3 for when you weren't there :p [13:22] didrocks, ;-) [13:22] well anyway let's not discuss keybindings anymore here and just redirect to #ubuntu-unity [13:24] +1 [13:24] (+8 even ;)) [13:47] pitti, bug 936629 is an Apport permission problem, can you have a look into it? [13:47] Launchpad bug 936629 in cups "Printing fails after printing first document " [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/936629 [13:48] tkamppeter: yes, it's on my radar === greyback|lunch is now known as greyback [14:04] Anyone know what happened to the bzr-rewrite plugin? It just has an empty package in precise [14:09] kamstrup, seems micahg broke it [14:09] kamstrup, i.e packaging error [14:09] kamstrup, can you open a bug? [14:09] seb128: thanks - was wondering if had a broken setup and was merely seeing some transitional package. Will open a bug [14:10] kamstrup, thanks === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [14:11] kamstrup, you can probably wget http://cdn.debian.net/debian/pool/main/b/bzr-rewrite/bzr-rewrite_0.6.2+bzr242-1_all.deb and dpkg -i it [14:11] kamstrup, if you want a local fix meanwhile [14:12] seb128: thanks [14:20] kamstrup, yw [14:23] lol [14:23] I knew that this nautilus revert without approval would lead to discussion ;-) [14:29] seb128: oh, where? [14:30] didrocks, #gnome-hackers [14:30] ah :) [15:43] DBO: hey? [15:45] who is michael hruby? [15:48] * desrt notes that http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/bamf/trunk/revision/446 broke bamf due to some (apparent?) bad merge conflict resolution [15:53] desrt, i guess that is mhr3 ;) [15:54] mhr3: you broke bamf :) [15:54] desrt, i did what? [15:54] mhr3: see url above ^^ [15:54] plz fix :) [15:55] * Sweetshark is going slightly mad debugging bug 562027 ... [15:55] Launchpad bug 562027 in libreoffice "[Upstream] Unable to shutdown / reboot / logout when quickstarter is active" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/562027 [15:55] desrt, the removal of that one line doesn't seem right [15:56] DBO: are you sure this commit is correct: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/bamf/trunk/revision/366 ? [15:56] DBO: i think you only own one ref, but you are dropping 2. [15:57] oh. read it wrong. disregard. [15:57] * desrt wonders wtf is going on here [15:58] this is showing up in valgrind, which i find quite odd... ref() unref() should not be causing a free.... [15:59] * desrt digs into closed signal handler [16:01] desrt, so what exactly did i break? [16:02] afaict i properly merged it - see https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/bamf/bamf.export-pid/+merge/93140 [16:02] mhr3: there was a line in the header dropped by the merge [16:02] the utf8 property getter [16:04] desrt, if that wasn't supposed to be removed blame the merge i pasted [16:04] i just re-merged it after making a tarball [16:04] mhr3: i'm afraid my bzr-fu is not up to snuff [16:04] you're saying this is macro's fault? [16:05] Trevinho: poke [16:05] desrt, no, marco just approved it, it was jason's branch [16:05] perplexing.... [16:05] * desrt doesn't see his name here anywhere [16:06] mhr3: do you have access to fix it? [16:08] desrt, yea, need to merge propose it though, otherwise didrocks would kill me [16:08] mhr3: do I need that particular reason to do so? :) [16:08] and it looks like i'm pretty close to getting killed by him :P [16:09] * didrocks looks at the pile of prooves against mhr3 on his desk :) [16:09] didrocks: bzr messed up a merge and deleted a line of code by accident [16:09] didrocks: it needs to be added back [16:09] desrt: yeah yeah, it's all bzr's fault! :) [16:09] desrt: which one? [16:09] didrocks: i prefer to blame tools than coworkers :) [16:09] see https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/bamf/bamf.export-pid/+merge/93140 [16:10] 65 -gchar * bamf_window_get_utf8_prop (BamfWindow *self, const char* prop); [16:10] 66 +guint32 bamf_window_get_pid (BamfWindow *self); [16:10] desrt: but but, tools are your best friends! :) [16:10] that should have been a straight add -- not a replace [16:10] mhr3: you almost break ABI! :) [16:11] didrocks: not his fault! remember: blame bzr ;) [16:11] oh right [16:11] bad bad bzr :p [16:11] * didrocks rethinks of some sentence "if you cherry-pick this patch for the release, you will assume the consequence" :) [16:11] didrocks, damn it, i should have left you do the tarball and the blame could be on you :P [16:11] fortunatly, he has chosen the safe side! :) [16:12] mhr3: heh, that what you get from helping! [16:12] that's* [16:12] maybe we blame lp, actually [16:12] * desrt got bitten by a similar bug recently [16:13] i had a working branch, pushed it [16:13] ted setup an MR [16:13] didrocks, so, can i push it directly or do we want a merge? [16:13] and somehow the MR ended up with a conflicted merge in it [16:13] mhr3: no, push it directly [16:13] mhr3: all this branch foo was already manual [16:13] mhr3: oh no [16:13] mhr3: sorry, propose a merge [16:13] mhr3: so that it's pushed to the ppa [16:13] and you'll want test then, right? [16:13] mhr3: self approve it [16:13] i'm sooo not writing them :P [16:14] mhr3: fine for this once ;) [16:14] test: grep for bamf_window_get_utf8_prop in the header. is it there?: test passes! [16:14] but shhhhhhh, don't tell anybody [16:14] in addition, not to an IRC channel [16:14] :) [16:14] we are only the three of us, that's fine :) [16:14] especially not a logged one [16:14] right, so "shhhhhhhh" :-) [16:15] for google: ubuntu canonical bamf unity test merge bzr "no test" "without test" didrocks approved autolanding [16:15] seb128, hello, was staying evolution 3.2.x a decision made by the lack of time and man-power or were there serious stability concerns? [16:15] desrt: dude, I really hate you sometimes :p [16:16] ricotz, hey, at UDS time they announced that they would port it to gsettings and webkit this cycle, and knowing evolution there is no way that would result in a stable version [16:16] ricotz, so we stayed behind [16:16] ricotz, did they back out from it? [16:16] didrocks: just trolling to keep my sanity :) [16:16] desrt: I'm clearly seeing that ;) [16:16] * desrt attempts to sort out what the hell is going on inside bamffactory [16:17] seb128, i think the gsettings transitions was done, not sure about the webkit one [16:17] office time ends! yay! [16:17] seb128, but there are requests to have it updated to 3.3 [16:17] ricotz, that's risky and impact on stuff like indicator-datetime [16:17] ricotz, so not for this cycle [16:18] seb128, the problem is most likely the e-d-s transition [16:19] seb128, is there anything else serious besides indicator-datetime? [16:20] didrocks, i updated https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/bamf/bamf.export-pid/+merge/93140 [16:21] didrocks, now let's see how the merge bot will handle it ;) [16:21] * mhr3 prepares popcorn [16:22] ricotz, evo is not a trivial codebase, we need to test migrations, and by experience it takes them 2 cycles to get things working as good as before after such transition [16:23] ricotz, there is no way we do that transition now [16:23] mhr3: if something bad happens, it won't be the merger/my fault. It will be launchpad/bzr [16:23] mhr3: I learnt that from the best, desrt! :) [16:23] :D [16:23] mhr3: are you doing general hacking on bamf? [16:23] didrocks, you're a quick learner... but it needs your approve ;) [16:24] mhr3: if so, and you have some time, i have a fun bug that really really needs tracking down [16:24] desrt, no, i just did a tarball cause didrocks was swamped [16:24] seb128, ok, thanks, i will forward this [16:24] ah. i see. [16:24] ricotz, thanks [16:24] seb128, i am hoping nothing will bump its dependencies on e-d-s 3.3 [16:24] http://fpaste.org/H9Oz/ demonstrates a bug in refcounting in bamf [16:25] desrt, jason or Trevinho are your people ;) [16:25] ricotz, it's past feature freeze, I doubt it [16:25] DBO, Trevinho: ^^ [16:25] seb128, hoping so ;) [16:25] if you close a window that was open at the time the program started you get a critical (or crash if under valgrind) [16:32] Has anyone reported losing right click ability on synaptic touchpads? [16:34] Daviey: on a mac touchpad? [16:34] aka 2 finger press as a right click not actually clicking the right button? [16:34] if so then yes https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/941046 [16:34] Launchpad bug 941046 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "Recent "clickpad patch" breaks two-finger-right-click" [Undecided,Confirmed] [16:44] can anyone confirm if bug 562027 is currently visible on precise? I cant reproduce reproduce it on oneiric and on my precise-VM the only thing that disturbs the logout is the crash reporter popping back into it. [16:44] Launchpad bug 562027 in libreoffice "[Upstream] Unable to shutdown / reboot / logout when quickstarter is active" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/562027 [17:10] good night everyone! [17:10] desrt, mhr3: I look to that [17:11] 'night pitti [17:14] good night pitti [17:19] Trevinho: i filed a bug with a fix here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bamf/+bug/942070 [17:19] Launchpad bug 942070 in bamf "bamf matcher messes up refcounting on views" [Undecided,New] [17:22] not 100% sure of the fix, but it makes sense to me and it fixes the problem [17:40] desrt, can you explain the problem in more detail [17:40] desrt, is gdbusproxy thread-safe? [17:40] DBO: "run the attached code and observe criticals" [17:40] mhr3: i think that doesn't really make sense [17:41] things that fire signals really need to be owned by a single thread [17:41] ie: the thread that the signals will be delivered to [17:41] beyond that, there are varying degrees of what could be classified as threadsafety. which one did you have in mind? [17:41] desrt, so using it from a gio thread is not a good idea? :) [17:42] i'd guess probably not... [17:42] like, it's definitely safe to have multiple proxies in use in different threads at the same time [17:43] but i don't think it makes snese to use a gdbusproxy from a thread other than its 'owner' thread [17:43] which we actually define in terms of the thread that owns the GMainContext that was the thread-default main context in effect at the time that the gdbusproxy was created [17:44] (which for all intents and purposes is the thread in which it was created) [17:45] thought so, just wanted to have a confirmation from people who know for sure :) [17:46] desrt, yeah I think you are right [17:47] desrt: I agree :) [17:47] DBO, any idea what would cause bamf to think that my devhelp window isn't on my current workspace even if it is? [17:47] Actually I've seen that reffing thing since long time, but I'm not sure why DBO put it inside :) [17:48] does that mean you'll write the tests for me to get it committed? :) [17:48] mhr3, do you have latest unity trunk? [17:48] DBO, no, i'm running 5.4 [17:48] Trevinho, the internal reffing? [17:48] desrt: do a merge request, and see if you can add to the tests we have inb bamf [17:48] Trevinho, the matcher shouldn't be reffing but the factory should [17:49] DBO: the reffing on signal... I mean, it's right... But only if it happens on all cases [17:49] the factory is [17:49] in a weird roundabout way [17:49] yes, the factory of course [17:49] it's unclear whether the ref is conceptually owned by the list or the hashtable [17:49] in reality it's owned by the hashtable [17:49] (because the function that removes it from the hashtable calls unref() on it) [17:49] but it gets reffed as it's added to the list... [17:49] desrt, I simply think of the ref as being owned by the factory, period [17:49] desrt: the ref should be both owned by the internal list and the factory hashtable [17:49] DBO: sounds good to me :) [17:49] the factory's list has no ownership [17:50] Trevinho: well.... it gets removed from the list in a weakref handler [17:50] so the list can't own a proper ref or it would never be removed [17:50] desrt: I mean the cached list of the view (if it's a children) [17:50] Trevinho, propose/desrt simply propose a merge [17:50] * desrt lets the people with more launchpad experience navigate that [17:51] good catch desrt [17:51] thanks for the fast feedback [18:02] seb128: oops, I thought I checked that, will fix [18:02] time for some exercice! /me waves good evening [18:02] micahg: hey, thanks [18:02] DBO: hey. another bug, while we're at it? [18:03] DBO: it seems that bamf-view is failing to properly cleanup priv->local_name and priv->local_icon in its dispose() -> leaks [18:05] desrt, Trevinho^^ [18:05] sorry I cant do it now [18:07] desrt: really? I tought I added them... [18:08] Trevinho: would appear not [18:08] desrt: yes, you're right [18:08] they're showing up in valgrind and i can't find any trace of them in dispose (and there is no finalize) [18:08] maybe I added them in a branch I didn't push :/ [18:08] it happens :P [18:08] * desrt does that a lot :) [18:08] * Trevinho fixes it [18:09] thanks [18:09] * desrt is nearing 0 leaks on the hud-service rewrite [18:09] DBO, desrt also approve this: https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/bamf/coverity-fix-937398 [18:10] * desrt is not getting involved with approvals [18:10] Trevinho, done [18:10] * desrt is scared of didrocks, honestly [18:10] desrt, no worries [18:10] the guy knows where i live [18:10] desrt: about? :) [18:10] desrt, hes french [18:11] Trevinho: if i approve something that has a bug in it, he kills me, right? :) [18:11] desrt, nah thats normally in an employment contract [18:11] stupid immune contractors [18:29] DBO: can be sensed to add an hashtable to cache the xprops in libunity? [18:30] Trevinho, no [18:30] they might change [18:31] mh ok [18:31] I'm dropping some things you left there... [18:39] DBO, desrt: https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/bamf/dispose-fixes/+merge/94824 [18:41] does any one know that trick that pitti told me about how to find which Python module is being and naughty and not using goi? [18:42] Trevinho, apporved and marked as such [18:42] thanks [18:45] rickspencer3: "echo raise Exception >./gtk.py" would probably work :) [18:45] hey broder [18:45] well, I guess I would have to add that the goi library somewhere, right? [18:46] a gtk.py in your current directory will supersede the globally installed one [18:46] then anytime anything tries to import gtk, it'll throw and you get a traceback [18:48] i think that's the first time i've seen someone say goi [18:48] broder, that is a nifty trick [18:48] in context of py-gi [18:49] rickspencer3: you can play around with sys.modules also [18:53] broder, thanks [18:53] meh, and that movie isn't on blu ray yet :-/ [18:54] rickspencer3: edit /usr/share/pyshared/gobject/constants.py and add a "raise ImportError('not me!')" at the top [18:54] * pitti off again, I didn't actually mean to open IRC [18:54] thanks pitti [18:54] * rickspencer3 pitti & === Ursinha_ is now known as Guest34384 [20:15] pitti: hm, bug #930839 - I'm pretty sure that no thread (other than the main one) is touching the UI, sure this is not some gtk problem instead? [20:15] Launchpad bug 930839 in update-manager "update-manager crashed with SIGABRT in __assert_fail_base(): Assertion !xcb_xlib_unknown_req_in_deq failed in dequeue_pending_request" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/930839 [20:24] what is the latest Unity release version in 12.04? [20:25] jono, you mean the current one of the one we will ship with? [20:25] jono: i have 5.4.0-0ubuntu2 it seems [20:25] seb128, the current version right now in 12.04 [20:25] jono, what dobey says [20:25] dobey, thanks [20:26] sure [20:27] I just wanted to ensure I am filing bugs against the right version [20:28] this bug where switching virtual desktops moves the window with focus is driving me nuts [20:29] jono: you're using the wrong keybinding. stop holding shift down with ctrl+alt [20:30] dobey, I mapped it to Ctrl+Alt Arrows [20:30] dobey, what is the default key-binding for this now? [20:30] jono: did you change the wrong setting then? moving a window around workspaces has been c-a-s for a very long time [20:30] dobey, Ctrl-Alt-Arrow? [20:31] or Ctrl-Alt-Shift [20:31] someone decided to change the change workspaces keybinding to be super-shift-arrow [20:31] interesting [20:31] so I re-mapped it to Ctrl-Alt-Arrow [20:31] and Super-Shift-Arrow still works [20:31] which is odd [20:32] jono: C-A-arrow *was* change workspaces, C-A-S-arrow has been "move current window across workspaces" forever [20:32] dobey, aha [20:32] jono: you probably changed the wrong setting :) [20:32] * jono checks [20:33] i had this exact same conversation a few hours ago with jdo :P [20:33] you are right dobey [20:33] I am an idiot [20:33] lol [20:33] sorry seb128, I will invalidate the bug [20:33] it turns out this is epic bacon user error [20:33] jono, no worry [20:34] and there is another bug with a bajillion duplicates about keybinding getting changed, i'm sure [20:52] aww. seb went to bed. [20:54] ==13701== definitely lost: 0 bytes in 0 blocks [20:54] ==13701== indirectly lost: 0 bytes in 0 blocks [20:54] ==13701== possibly lost: 0 bytes in 0 blocks [20:55] ah. the greatest sight there is. [20:55] desrt, oh, that can't be something that we wrote, surely? [20:55] chrisccoulson: it's the hud after a round of bugfixing :) [20:55] nice :) [20:55] well, the hud-service, that is [21:01] desrt: I have another little pet projects of mine at hand, that could use one of your 'rounds of bugfixing' .... [21:02] * desrt is all rounded up for today [21:02] gotta do real work now :) [21:02] desrt: ;) [23:25] seb128, hi, i subscribed you to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libpst/+bug/942311 [23:25] Launchpad bug 942311 in libpst "FFe: Update to libpst 0.6.54" [Undecided,New]