[00:12] <arand> quidnunc: Aren''t they doing pretty much the same thing?
[00:16] <jtaylor> strange, I synced espeakup via syncpackage today but still not accept mail
[00:17] <jtaylor> its been a couple of hours already
[00:19] <RAOF> jtaylor: Beta freeze is a hard freeze; it'll be sitting in unapproved.
[00:19] <jbicha> jtaylor: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+queue?queue_state=1
[00:19] <jtaylor> :O O forgot about the freeze :/
[00:19] <jtaylor> a its not seeded so no damage done?
[00:20] <ajmitch> just have to be patient :)
[00:20] <RAOF> It's in unapproved; it hasn't hit the archive, so no damage done, even if it were seeded.
[00:36] <quidnunc> arand: I can only build dsc with pbuilder-dist
[00:36] <quidnunc> I think
[09:39] <stefanct> "[qastaging] Launchpad is processing new changes to this branch which will be available in a few minutes. Reload to see the changes." that was 10 hours ago...? :)
[09:39] <tumbleweed> stefanct: -> #launchpad
[09:42] <stefanct> thx
[09:50] <pipedream> tumbleweed: I kinda crashed last night. more or less ready to resume my efforts now
[09:51] <tumbleweed> pipedream: maybe we should move this to #ubuntu-packaging, as it's about a PPA package
[09:52]  * ajmitch wishes he had an SSD in his desktop now, upgrading from natty to oneiric is taking awhile
[09:56] <pipedream> tumbleweed: ok
[10:38] <geser> dholbach: thanks for sponsoring my vim merge. So the changelog shortening I've done is in your opinion ok (dropping 800 lines of debian/changelog delta)? There was a short discussion yesterday if it should be kept
[10:38] <dholbach> geser, personally I think it's alright
[10:38] <dholbach> it has happened before :)
[10:39] <Laney> call it "rebase" instead of "merge" and kill the changelog delta :-)
[10:40]  * ajmitch should finish off this merge & upload it 
[10:40] <geser> I tried to find a balance between preserving history (1000 lines) and the size of the real delta (30-40 lines) and dropped entries older than lucid
[10:40] <dholbach> sounds reasonable to me
[10:41] <dholbach> archaeologists should be able to find old changelogs still :)
[10:41] <geser> it's not like LP forgets something (for the main repositories)
[10:41] <ajmitch> though I'm merging a new upstream release of phpldapadmin due to some security issues in the current one :)
[10:43] <micahg> ajmitch: might need an FFe still
[10:43] <ajmitch> micahg: yeah it likely will
[10:43] <ajmitch> http://phpldapadmin.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Release shows a number of new features since 1.2.0
[10:43] <micahg> ajmitch: and thanks, that saves me from doing it :)
[10:44] <ajmitch> micahg: I don't want to deprive you of your fun ;)
[10:44] <micahg> heh, I've got a large bucket of "fun" to choose from :)
[10:44] <debfx> geser: my apt-cacher-ng sync has superseded your upload so you need to upload it again based on 0.7.1-1
[10:47] <micahg> debfx: I'd venture to say, depending on who uploaded whoever uploaded the package second is responsible (don't know if there's a way to tell at this point)
[10:47] <geser> will do, my change just quietens the logrotate warning from the unknown option
[10:48] <geser> would soyuz allow to upload a version if a newer version is sitting already in the queue?
[10:48] <micahg> yes, it was sitting in unapproved (since we're frozen)
[10:48] <micahg> but whoever's approving the queue should be watching for these things :))
[10:48] <debfx> still lp shouldn't allow accepting both
[10:48] <micahg> sure, it's unapproved
[10:49] <micahg> oh, accepting...
[10:49] <micahg> well, it's accepted, but wouldn't build
[10:50] <debfx> yeah it is accepted but it shouldn't allow it to be accepted
[10:51] <micahg> well, that doesn't seem like a high priority at this point
[10:51] <ajmitch> Laney: what do you need from me for this FFe fun? :)
[10:51] <Laney> money
[10:51]  * ajmitch has 10c around here somewherew
[10:51] <ajmitch> I can post it to you, should arrive in a couple of months
[10:51] <Laney> £ please
[10:52] <ajmitch> closest I have is euros, sorry :(
[10:52] <Laney> play money :(
[10:52] <Laney> usual stuff
[10:52] <Laney> how major is the update? any rdeps?
[10:53] <ajmitch> closest to an rdep is a Suggests from samba4, the update looks to be about 85% bugfixes
[10:54] <Laney> smoke testing would be nice, otherwise bug with rationale
[10:55] <Laney> build/install logs probably wouldn't be that interesting ...
[10:55] <ajmitch> it's a php app, so build logs should be boring
[10:55] <nigelb> Laney: can we gift you the metric system instead? :D
[10:55] <ajmitch> the main rationale is OMG security holes (it's php...)
[10:56] <tumbleweed> so, it'll still have security holes :)
[10:56] <ajmitch> yup
[10:56] <tumbleweed> maybe even bigger ones, if php itself is anything to go by :P
[10:56] <ajmitch> 2+2=4, except when running php? :)
[10:56] <nigelb> haha
[10:57]  * Laney measures nigelb in links, then runs several furlongs away
[10:57]  * nigelb goes to find a converter.
[10:59] <Laney> 1/25 of a rod
[11:00] <nigelb> ...
[11:00] <Laney> 1/100 of a chain?
[11:02] <ajmitch> Laney: bug 941855, want u-release subscribed?
[11:03] <Laney> did it
[11:03] <Laney> do you have any ability to test?
[11:04] <ajmitch> limited, I don't have an ldap server up & running
[11:04] <Laney> k
[11:04]  * Laney sticks a cherry on top
[11:05]  * ajmitch is just trying to look at some of the big bad bugs on the rc bugs page, though tumbleweed & micahg seem to have got most :)
[11:05] <nigelb> phpldapadmin *shudder*
[11:06] <ajmitch> nigelb: I know...
[11:06] <nigelb> I spent 2 weeks playing with it :)
[11:06] <ajmitch> it's like giving a teenager the keys to an expensive car & hoping that they don't crash it ;)
[11:06] <tumbleweed> ajmitch: I'm sure there are lots of worthwile things there, still
[11:06] <nigelb> ajmitch: wow, exactly!
[11:07] <tumbleweed> the automated lucid->precise upgrade tests are main-only, right? It'd be nice to run some on universe packages. But I doubt we'd have the manpower to deal with them...
[11:08] <micahg> tumbleweed: stgraber is running upgrade tests on the flavors
[11:08] <tumbleweed> right, but nothing approaching debian's piuparts upgrade tests of the whole archive
[11:09] <tumbleweed> (a few issues in rcbugs were squeeze->wheezy ugprades, which applied to lucid->precise)
[11:11]  * ajmitch thinks having universe upgrades tested is probably almost as important
[11:12] <tumbleweed> I agree, they are important bugs for our users
[11:13] <tumbleweed> Ubuntu has a reputation of not upgrading cleanly, and only part of that comes from crazy PPAs :P
[11:14] <micahg> I fixed a release upgrade bug in lucid at the last UDS :)
[11:15] <tumbleweed> unfortunatly, they are a pain to test, becasue of the debconf upgrade problem (that's worked around in update-manager)
[11:23] <ajmitch> Laney: ta for the ffe approval, uploading now
[11:33] <Laney> ye beauty
[12:55] <hakermania> Hello :) May I be told when is the last timeline (which 'freeze') in which ubuntu can accept backports(new version of program already in the repos). I have thhe realease schedule link but setill not sure. Thanks :)
[12:56] <tumbleweed> hakermania: the last time for FFes to be processed is unseeded universe final freeze https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
[12:57] <tumbleweed> and the -backports for new packages process doesn't appear to be usable yet
[13:07] <hakermania> tumbleweed, so, what do you suggest for having a ready backport?
[13:18] <tumbleweed> go with an FFe ifyo want a newer version in precise, and please try and do it before beta 2
[13:50] <geser> jtaylor: do you plan to get your planner FTBFS fix directly into Ubuntu or wait some more on a new upload?
[18:08] <jtaylor> geser: probably makes sense to fix planenr directly, the new upload will likely include new features
[18:08] <jtaylor> I'll do that later
[20:24] <AnAnt> Hello, is universe/multiverse also freezed ?
[20:24] <broder> AnAnt: universe and multiverse are subject to feature freeze
[20:25] <broder> due to lp limitations, uploads also get held for beta freeze, but if the package isn't on any beta products (cds, etc.), then they basically get instantly approved
[20:25] <broder> (so effectively not beta-frozen)
[20:26] <AnAnt> broder: so, I can sync packages that aren't on CDs ?
[20:26] <broder> AnAnt: yes
[20:26] <AnAnt> ok
[20:26] <broder> AnAnt: note that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BetaFreeze only mentions main and restricted
[20:27] <AnAnt> ok
[20:29] <micahg> AnAnt: the archive is frozen, but sources that don't affect images are usually waved through
[20:29] <micahg> that wiki page needs updating
[20:30] <broder> micahg: i thought non-imaged packages were actually an automatic accept and not just "usually"
[20:30] <micahg> it still requires a human
[20:31] <broder> right, but as automatic as anything done by a human can be
[20:31] <micahg> and if someone uploaded some crazy universe package that took 2 days to build, it might not go through
[20:31] <AnAnt> ok
[21:04] <broder> fyi, for people who are doing the stripe ctf, they're planning to shut it down on wednesday
[21:05] <tumbleweed> so soon?
[21:05] <tumbleweed> broder: have you finished yet?
[21:05] <broder> no :-/
[21:05] <broder> but i haven't put more than about 5 minutes of serious effort into it
[21:06] <broder> i know conceptually what i want to try and do, but haven't figured out how to do it yet
[21:07] <tumbleweed> :)