[00:13] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Gareth France] Tottenham Court Road/Tolworth  25th/26th February 2012 - http://cliftonts.co.uk/cubuntu/?p=106
[00:52] <Azelphur> popey: do you run munin? I made a plugin that does minecraft (and every other type of game server)
[02:13] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Kudos, LibreOffice - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/02/27/kudos-libreoffice/
[05:59] <aizuddin> hello?
[06:01] <aizuddin> i cannot connect ftp to my ubuntu server, can anyone help?
[06:04] <Azelphur> aizuddin: do you mean sftp?
[06:05] <aizuddin> and then, when i enter command 'ftp localhost' and login using the account and its password, it says '530 login incorrect, login failed, 421 service not available, remote server has closed connection'
[06:06] <Azelphur> why are you setting up FTP? FTP is deprecated
[06:06] <Azelphur> !private | aizuddin
[06:07] <aizuddin> oh ok, im sory, im a newbie
[06:07] <Azelphur> np :)
[06:08] <Azelphur> yea, why FTP and not SFTP? FTP is kinda obsolete nowo
[06:08] <aizuddin> haha, dont know, because i just had to follow this company old procedure
[06:09] <Azelphur> you'll probably find that most clients that support FTP support SFTP too now, it's much safer, and it's built into the OS and generally easier.
[06:09] <Azelphur> FTP is totally unencrypted and insecure, anyone can sniff your login details if they are on the same network as you
[06:09] <Azelphur> so basically, FTP bad SFTP good.
[06:10] <aizuddin> u mean, that server need to be set using sftp izzit?
[06:10] <aizuddin> i mean better using sftp right?
[06:10] <Azelphur> nope, if you have SSH you have SFTP already
[06:10] <Azelphur> do you intend for each of your users to have a ssh account as well as a FTP account?
[06:11] <aizuddin> ow, i think ssh already disabled by the admin, they dont want it to be enable
[06:11] <Azelphur> how are you even controlling the server then? :S
[06:11] <aizuddin> internally
[06:11] <Azelphur> like, your in front of the computer physically?
[06:12] <aizuddin> yes
[06:12] <Azelphur> *shrug*
[06:12] <aizuddin> they want it to be that way
[06:12] <Azelphur> You can disable ssh logins on ssh and still use SFTP if you like
[06:13] <aizuddin> ow ok, actually i nvr use that before ftp or sftp
[06:13] <Azelphur> hehe
[06:13] <Azelphur> but yea, either SFTP or FTPS, never FTP.
[06:13] <aizuddin> haha
[06:14] <aizuddin> then, i think i need to start from scratch how to setup web server in ubuntu server
[06:14] <aizuddin> *guide
[06:15] <Azelphur> aizuddin: what do you want, apache, mysql and php?
[06:15] <aizuddin> this 1 is using apache2
[06:15] <Azelphur> you already have a web server? then why do you want to set one up?
[06:16] <aizuddin> so that is the first step right
[06:16] <aizuddin> actually this server already runs about 5 website
[06:17] <aizuddin> i want to add another, but i dont know how, just created new user since i see every website placed in every account directory
[06:18] <Azelphur> you should ask the admin.
[06:18] <aizuddin> so right now, i want to upload web files using filezilla, but is says login incorrect, like there's no such user available in the list
[06:19] <Azelphur> wat...you said you was in front of the computer
[06:19] <aizuddin> ya, but the admin already out, right now this company dont have its own admin
[06:19] <aizuddin> ya, im in the server room
[06:19] <Azelphur> how are you controlling this machine?
[06:20] <aizuddin> *out=resign
[06:20] <aizuddin> in front of the computer
[06:20] <Azelphur> I see :P
[06:20] <Azelphur> ok, so put the files on a USB drive or something and done?
[06:20] <Azelphur> alternatively just enable SFTP since the old admin isn't there any more to say dumb things
[06:20] <aizuddin> hahahah
[06:21] <aizuddin> whats the command, will it change the current ftp login?
[06:21] <Azelphur> sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[06:21] <Azelphur> it'll change nothing to do with your proFTPd server
[06:21] <Azelphur> after installing openssh-server, you can control the server over ssh, and upload files from your FTP client using your SSH credentials.
[06:22] <aizuddin> ok, then this thing will automatically enable once i install it right?
[06:22] <Azelphur> yep
[06:23] <aizuddin> ok,
[06:23] <aizuddin> lemmetry
[06:23] <Azelphur> brb, getting food.
[06:44] <Azelphur> aizuddin: any luck?
[06:55] <aizuddin> hurm.. :s .. im a bit confuse now
[06:56] <Azelphur> aizuddin: all you need to do is install openssh-server, and connect using SFTP and your normal login details
[06:57] <aizuddin> erm.. after i install openssh, how to log in to that thing?
[06:58] <Azelphur> what FTP client do you have?
[06:59] <aizuddin> filezilla?
[06:59] <Azelphur> so click file > site manager
[07:00] <Azelphur> and new site, protocol: SFTP
[07:00] <Azelphur> put host, user and password in, connect.
[07:02] <aizuddin> logon type?
[07:02] <Azelphur> normal.
[07:03] <aizuddin> ok wait me try
[07:05] <aizuddin> ok, it says, openssh is already a newer version
[07:06] <Azelphur> you already have it then
[07:21] <aizuddin> azelphur
[07:21] <Azelphur> ?
[07:22] <aizuddin> so what to do now, i try login but it comes out 'network error: connection refused'
[07:23] <Azelphur> you left port blank, right?
[07:23] <aizuddin> right, the right port is 22 izzit?
[07:24] <Azelphur> yea should be
[07:28] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:28]  * Azelphur waves at czajkowski
[07:29]  * Azelphur is off to sleep
[07:58] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:00] <popey> that
[08:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> \o/
[08:03] <AlanBell> morning
[08:09] <DJones> ali1234: Sounds like you you see the fallback as having possibilities
[08:10] <ali1234> DJones: it looks worse than it is because gtk3 themes don't really work the same
[08:10] <ali1234> in terms of features it is identical to gnome 2
[08:11] <ali1234> maybe even a few improvements
[08:12] <DJones> I didn't get chance to try it, had a stack of updates in a vm & by the time they'd finished it was time to do something elses
[08:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> Did everyone have a nice weekend?
[08:18] <MooDoo> saturday i was ill, photoshoot sunday went ok :D
[08:18] <MooDoo> TheOpenSourcerer: what about you?
[08:18] <AlanBell> Rugby was fun
[08:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yeah - enjoyed it mostly. The England Wales game was a real cracker of a match.
[08:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: Ah was this the Ubuntu rugby trip?
[08:20] <dwatkins> aloha
[08:23] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: yup, spent a lot of time with the kids
[08:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> Cool.
[08:23] <popey> now, off to london
[08:24] <popey> also, no sign of raspberry pi yet
[08:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> have a nice day \o/
[08:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Is it supposed to be out today then?
[08:24] <popey> rumours say, yes
[08:25] <popey> "In other news, if you don’t own an alarm clock, this weekend might be a good time to do some shopping."
[08:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[08:26] <DJones> Ah well, our internet may be a bit flakey today, changing email systems over from an own server to a webmail hosted system, guy thats doing it says that there's that much email to transfer over, it'll kill the bandwidth
[08:27] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: yes, London Irish vs Northampton Saints
[08:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> DJones: https://github.com/gtozzi/imapcp
[08:29] <DJones> TheOpenSourcerer: I'm sitting back & letting the IT support firm we use do it (well, them and MooDoo's collegues)
[08:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> hey :-)
[08:29] <DJones> Its going from pop3 to imap
[08:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ewww,
[08:31] <DJones> Yeah, even worse, they're only changing 80% of the email over, depending on which departments your in you get one of two @domain.com address, they're only doing one of them at the minute
[08:52] <ali1234> does anyone know why no keyboard shortcuts work after i upgraded yesterday?
[08:52] <diplo> Morning
[08:54] <christel> morning
[08:54] <christel> TheOpenSourcerer: how is the hunt for a swede going?
[08:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> hey christel
[08:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> Badly :-) All I've had so far is some links to the Muppets Swedish chef ;-)
[09:00]  * czajkowski hugs christel morning darling 
[09:01] <mrevell> Guten morgen
[09:04] <christel> TheOpenSourcerer: lol well, if she'll settle for a norwegian just give me a prod :)
[09:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> Thanks christel I may well take you up on that!
[09:13] <christel> :)
[09:14] <daubers> Morning
[09:20] <andyloughran> hwody
[09:20] <andyloughran> howdy
[09:21] <JamesTait> Happy Monday, everyone! :D
[09:24]  * DJones kicks JamesTait for being cheerful on a Monday
[09:25] <JamesTait> DJones: It's the law. ;)
[09:25]  * daubers is the law
[09:25] <JamesTait> DJones: daubers told me to be cheerful, or he'd break my legs.
[09:25] <JamesTait> * may not actually me true
[09:25] <DJones> JamesTait: It should be the law that anybody who's cheerful on a Monday deserves a kick :)
[09:26] <andyloughran> DEFINITELY NOT
[09:26] <andyloughran> I'd get kicked all the time
[09:28] <JamesTait> andyloughran: Did daubers threaten you too?
[09:30] <andyloughran> nope, I'm just infectiously happy 99.9999% of the time
[09:30] <andyloughran> I'm only not happy when Amazon RRS goes down
[09:32] <JamesTait> andyloughran: The infectiously happy bit is a good way to be. :)
[09:32] <andyloughran> It's my superpower :D
[09:32] <andyloughran> http://scorecomms.com/andy_loughran
[09:32] <andyloughran> :D
[09:33] <JamesTait> I should be careful about suggesting that people in the Ubuntu community may not actually be happy and only appear so because they're under threat of violence.  It'll appear on someone's blog and before you know it, it'll be on the front page of Slashdot.
[09:34] <andyloughran> It's ok, daubers already threatened slashdot :p
[09:34] <JamesTait> Hah!
[09:37] <czajkowski> JamesTait: it's monday and already causing trouble
[09:37] <czajkowski> well done
[09:37] <JamesTait> czajkowski: Moi? Never!
[09:37] <daubers> slashdot... now there's somewhere you don't want to gon on a monday morning
[09:38] <JamesTait> daubers: Or most of the rest of the week, actually.
[09:38] <daubers> JamesTait: Very true
[09:39] <andyloughran> mornibng czajkowski
[09:39] <JamesTait> czajkowski: And a very good morning to you too! :D
[09:55] <bigcalm[xoom]> Hey up peeps :-)
[09:58] <DJones> bigcalm[xoom]: Any sign of cable fix yet?
[09:58] <bigcalm[xoom]> Day 4 of no virgin media internet connection. And
[09:59] <DJones> That answers that question
[09:59] <bigcalm[xoom]> And now my T-Mobile connection won't sit still
[09:59] <bigcalm[xoom]> :)
[10:01] <bigcalm[xoom]> How are you DJones ?
[10:04] <DJones> Not bad, nothing that painkillers & coffee can't solve
[10:04] <DJones> How about you apart from internet troubles
[10:05] <MooDoo> the end of the working day will help too :D
[10:05] <DJones> MooDoo: Thats a loooooonnnggggg way away though
[10:06] <MooDoo> DJones: too long, although i finish at 2 today, it won't come soon enough
[10:07] <bigcalm[xoom]> DJones: my breakfast is coffee and co-codamol :)
[10:07] <DJones> MooDoo: Just thought, the end of teh day means dog walk time, not good with a collapsing knee
[10:07] <DJones> bigcalm[xoom]: Snap, but with the added extra of Ibuprofen as well
[10:08] <MooDoo> DJones: ah your end of day routine differs...djones = dog walk MooDoo = vodka ;) lol
[10:08] <bigcalm[xoom]> Anybody got a spare back in good working order that they don't need?
[10:11] <DJones> Nope, if you find one, get a couple though, I could use one as well
[10:12]  * gord is rather glad he made his first and only /home/ backup last week as this morning he managed to rm -rf his home directory
[10:13] <bigcalm[xoom]> gord: good way to start Monday
[10:13] <gord> in my defence, it was pre-coffee
[10:14] <bigcalm[xoom]> Fair enough
[10:28] <bigcalm[xoom]|> ...
[10:39]  * DJones dcc's some fresh carrier pidgeons to bigcalm[xoom]| 
[10:41] <bigcalm[xoom]|> Haha, cheers
[10:41] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:45] <davmor2> morning all
[10:47] <bigcalm[xoom]|> Hi brobostigon and davmor2
[10:48] <MooDoo> hi davmor2
[10:49]  * czajkowski hugs davmor2 hello
[10:49] <popey> Morning all
[10:49] <brobostigon> hi bigcalm[xoom]|
[10:49] <popey> (again)
[10:50] <brobostigon> hi popey
[10:50] <davmor2> bigcalm[xoom]|: man still no T'interweb?
[10:50] <bigcalm[xoom]|> Hi popey and czajkowski :)
[10:50] <davmor2> bigcalm[xoom]|: goto a coffee shop and work from there all day dude seriously
[10:50] <bigcalm[xoom]|> davmor2: this is the case
[10:51] <bigcalm[xoom]|> I've got plenty of dev to do that is self contained. Just means moving schedules around a little
[10:51] <davmor2> MooDoo: 'ow do
[10:52] <davmor2> czajkowski: here have hug
[10:52] <davmor2> popey: morning dude
[10:52] <MooDoo> davmor2: crappy, er i mean cracking
[10:53] <davmor2> MooDoo: how was the PhotoShoot?
[10:53] <MooDoo> davmor2: brill thanks.
[10:53] <MooDoo> davmor2: http://prjmphotography.smugmug.com/Model-Shoots/The-Mellors-Family/21648272_rsbfCH#!i=1726622637&k=rtGf5gf
[10:53] <MooDoo> sorry for the link lol
[10:54] <bigcalm[xoom]> ...
[10:55] <bigcalm[xoom]> Silly T-Mobile wants to get in on the disconnecting action
[10:55] <davmor2> MooDoo: me likes sonny with the brolly
[10:55] <davmor2> bigcalm[xoom]: of to a coffee shop with you
[10:55] <MooDoo> davmor2: :)
[10:56] <daubers> ping AlanBell
[10:56] <bigcalm[xoom]> Andchat could do with coloured nicks
[10:56] <davmor2> MooDoo: of course the best photo is the one at the end taken by a pro that has you the right side of the viewfinder :P
[10:57] <AlanBell> o/
[10:57] <davmor2> MooDoo: in all seriousness there are some fun shots there
[10:57] <daubers> AlanBell: Need some advice re: project management software (before I spend two days making spreadsheets)
[10:57] <davmor2> Mr Bell I presume
[10:58] <daubers> All roads seem to lead to OpenERP, but this seems very much OTT for what I need
[10:58] <MooDoo> davmor2: actually it was self timer :p;
[10:58] <popey> bigcalm[xoom]: what did vm support say?
[10:59] <davmor2> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/desktops/373126/chillblast-fusion-immortal anyone after a new pc?
[10:59] <AlanBell> daubers: how many people will be collaborating on managing the project?
[10:59] <davmor2> MooDoo: No who'd of thunk it
[10:59] <daubers> Managing the project? Maybe 2
[10:59] <daubers> (mostly 1)
[11:00] <MooDoo> davmor2: it was a fun afternoon, more to come hopefully
[11:00] <bigcalm[xoom]> popey: recorded message says that it's affecting two post code areas. So not just my problem
[11:00] <daubers> AlanBell: useful if I can give those with the marching orders some read only access to see what's going on in context
[11:01] <bigcalm[xoom]> Eta is 7.47pm - odd time that
[11:01] <AlanBell> daubers: ok, in that case you don't need openERP (which is good for lots of people with edit access to their bit)
[11:02] <daubers> AlanBell: Ok... any advice on other software?
[11:02] <davmor2> bigcalm[xoom]: and they think it will get better as they increase the speed
[11:02] <AlanBell> if you want a pretty gantt chart creating tool then planner is OK
[11:02] <daubers> Problem with planner is that it doesn't work on the macs :)
[11:02] <AlanBell> !info planner
[11:03] <AlanBell> ok, so some kind of web based thingie then :)
[11:03] <daubers> yeah :)
[11:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> daubers: Also take a look at web2project - it's a php app - fork of the old dotproject.
[11:04] <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: Not seen that one, had seen dotproject
[11:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> I've not used it, but it took over from dotproject which seemed to die a bit of a slow painful death.
[11:05] <AlanBell> there are things like trak and redmine which are good for actually managing projects, but not so good at doing pretty gantt charts
[11:06] <daubers> I played with trac and ended up shouting at it lots
[11:06] <AlanBell> I know in many organisations project management == gantt chart
[11:07] <s-fox> o/
[11:07] <daubers> gantt charts would be nice, but not essential if I can script something to pull out the data needed for them
[11:07] <s-fox> daubers,  Doing some UML ?
[11:07] <MooDoo> morning s-fox
[11:09] <s-fox> Hello MooDoo , how are you ?
[11:10] <MooDoo> s-fox: i'm fine thnaks. you?
[11:10] <s-fox> Not bad thank you, did you have a good weekend ?
[11:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> Of course you could have OpenERP 6.1 up and running in about 15minutes and just use the Project tools...
[11:11] <MooDoo> s-fox: ill saturday and photoshoot sunday, so half not bad lol
[11:12] <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: I'm tempted... might throw together a couple of VM's and install OpenERP and web2project and play
[11:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2012/02/22/how-to-install-openerp-6-1-on-ubuntu-10-04-lts/
[11:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> daubers: ^^
[11:13] <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: Ta
[11:14] <s-fox> MooDoo,  Get any good pics ?
[11:25]  * daubers waits for his base image to install
[11:35] <DJones> Hmmh, precise beta 1 released this week, I'm tempted to upgrade now
[11:44] <popey> http://event.asus.com/mobile/padfone/
[11:44] <popey> nice
[11:45] <gord> I can't own something called a fone though ;)
[11:46] <popey> heh
[11:48] <davmor2> popey: You goto wonder if it will be an exclusive for Voda.....ermmm....Fone
[11:54] <directhex> aquarius, the mythical N9 PR1.2 has apparently shipped
[11:55] <bigcalm[xoom]> popey: customer service person dug deep into the issue and found that the engineers are waiting on parts to be delivered from Motorola
[12:15] <bigcalm[xoom]> Update manager getting 490kB/s via my phone isn't too shabby
[12:21] <davmor2> bigcalm[xoom]|: till it kills your unlimited 3g usage :)
[12:22] <brobostigon> cant happen here, three have unlimited, without a FUP. so proper unlimited.
[12:36] <bigcalm[xoom]> As I pay 7.50 a month for unlimited usage,  I do hope T-Mobile don't mess me around
[12:36] <DJones> Who would want a mobile phone that cane take photo's at 41 megapixels?
[12:36] <bigcalm[xoom]> Goodness
[12:37] <DJones> And its Symbian :) http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/27/nokia-announces-808-pureview-belle-os-4-inch-display-41-megap/
[12:37] <ali1234> that's been announced then :)
[12:37] <bigcalm[xoom]> You are doing it wrong if you base your camera purchase based upon the number of mega pixels it has
[12:37] <ali1234> symbian is good
[12:38] <bigcalm[xoom]> Lunch time I think
[12:41] <oimon> hello chaps
[12:41] <directhex> "41"
[12:42] <directhex> not real 41
[12:42] <directhex> also, symbian on a new high-end phone = call the roflcopter
[13:01] <dwatkins> What's wrong with symbian? I've never used it, didn't know they still made phones with it either.
[13:01] <ali1234> nothing is wrong with it
[13:17] <directhex> dwatkins, it's as good as it's ever been
[13:17] <directhex> dwatkins, which is "great, because the iphone doesn't exist yet"
[13:20] <dwatkins> directhex: ah, I see - I suspected that might be the case
[13:20] <ali1234> of course in the real world symbian can do everything the iphone can do
[13:21] <directhex> the last few flagship symbian phones have been "it's got an awesome camera! also can sorta make calls, more or less"
[13:21] <ali1234> it just doesn't have an apple logo on it
[13:21] <directhex> ali1234, that's the hubris inside nokia which has lead to their current share price
[13:21] <directhex> the "symbian is awesome, iphone is a fad" thinking at every level of manglement
[13:21] <ali1234> no, the hubris inside nokia is called stephen elop
[13:21] <directhex> sorry, that actually made me lol
[13:21] <ali1234> the current share price is due to them now being a subsidiary of microsoft
[13:22] <directhex> additional rofls
[13:22] <ali1234> and all their recent phones being terrible
[13:23] <directhex> so the OS is great but the hardware sucks? you'll find you're in disagreement with every professional phone reviewer on the planet, there
[13:24] <ali1234> no. the problem is the OS sucks and the hardware is OK but not up to the usual nokia quality
[13:24] <directhex> i thought symbian was just as good as iOS? now it sucks?
[13:24] <ali1234> no. windows phone 7 sucks
[13:25] <ali1234> and the lumia 700 and 800 are roughly on the hardware quality of htc
[13:25] <ali1234> ie cheap plastic rubbish
[13:25] <directhex> and the n9?
[13:25] <ali1234> the N9? widely considered to be excellent?
[13:26] <directhex> the hardware, i mean
[13:26] <ali1234> never seen it
[13:26] <directhex> see, what i'm doing here is trapping you with your own words, given the n9 and the lumia 800 have *identical* industrial design, with a unibody polycarbonate design
[13:27] <ali1234> your point being?
[13:28] <directhex> my point being the criticism of the hardware is incorrect - the lumia 800 and n9 have both been praised in equal measure (given they're the same thing in this regard) for the hardware
[13:28] <directhex> everyone's entitled to their opinion, but yours is just wrong.
[13:28] <ali1234> why even compare them then?
[13:28] <ali1234> compare the lumia 800 with some of the previous symbian phones
[13:29] <directhex> specifically?
[13:29] <ali1234> N8 or C7
[13:29] <directhex> "The Nokia N8 is housed within a beautiful body that comes in enough shades to please everyone from a schoolgirl to a suited businessman, and features perhaps the best mobile camera ever, but at its heart lies the disappointing Symbian^3 OS. The limitations of this software make sure this won't be the phone to bring Nokia back to the forefront of the smartphone market."
[13:29] <directhex> that one?
[13:30] <ali1234> yes
[13:30] <ali1234> please do describe these "limitations"
[13:30] <ali1234> what exactly can it not do?
[13:30] <directhex> wait the C7 isn't plastic tat but the lumia 710 is? o_o
[13:32] <ali1234> correct. the C7 is all metal
[13:32] <ali1234> except the transparent part obviously
[13:37] <directhex> http://www.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/nokia-c7-905015/review?artc_pg=2 onwards seems to cover symbian fairly well
[13:39] <ali1234> "making calls is a great experience"
[13:40] <directhex> if all you want is a portable telephone, buy a £10 S20 brick from tesco
[13:40] <Dave2> Is making calls the main reason why you buy a smartphone?
[13:41] <directhex> i actually laughed out loud at how terrible some of the UI is in that review
[13:41] <ali1234> Dave2: er, yes?
[13:42] <directhex> the voice control stuff is brilliant
[13:42] <oimon> linux is letting me down atm...:(
[13:42] <ali1234> which by there own admission, they don't want any way
[13:42] <oimon> terrible performance on 11.10 + nvidia dual screen in gnome shell
[13:43] <directhex> so it's okay to include a useless option as long as the useless option is implemented by a dozen monkeys bashing keyboards?
[13:43] <Dave2> But all phones can make calls. You wouldn't buy a smartphone just to make calls. If making calls is all that matters, why buy a smartphone?
[13:44] <ali1234> Dave2: so it can do other things. that doesn't mean making phone calls isn't the most important function
[13:44] <directhex> you can do other things on a £10 series 20 brick too. it has snake!
[13:44] <Dave2> Depends on your usage. It's not the most important function on my phone. And regardless, if it can make calls really well but everything else is a bit painful, why would you buy that phone over a simpler phone with a better battery life?
[13:45] <ali1234> because symbian phones already have great battery life
[13:45] <Dave2> Not compared to dumber phones.
[13:45] <ali1234> nope
[13:45] <ali1234> they have battery life comparable to feature phones
[13:45] <directhex> and functionality too!
[13:46] <directhex> zing!
[13:46] <ali1234> they absolutely destroy any other smartphone if that's your most important criteria
[13:46] <Dave2> If battery life is your most important factor, you don't buy a smartphone
[13:47] <ali1234> unless your third most important criteria is mapping or web browsing
[13:47] <Dave2> Symbian phones may have a longer battery life than, say, Android, but they don't rival dumber phones.
[13:47] <ali1234> that's just plain flat out wrong
[13:47] <Dave2> Hoe l
[13:47] <Dave2> er
[13:47] <Dave2> How long would you expect the battery to last on a decent Symbian phone?
[13:47] <ali1234> about a week
[13:47] <directhex> with what usage pattern?
[13:48] <Dave2> Really? I find that quite hard to believe.
[13:48] <ali1234> with a similar usage pattern to a feature phone
[13:48] <directhex> the majority of the battery usage on a smartphone is backlighting a 4" high definition screen
[13:48] <directhex> which is pretty OS-agnostic an issue
[13:48] <ali1234> C7 has no backlight, it's AMOLED
[13:48] <ali1234> same for N9
[13:48] <ali1234> er N8
[13:48] <directhex> so do plenty of samsung android phones
[13:49] <Dave2> But regardless, you get dumber phones with longer battery life than that.
[13:49] <Dave2> Significantly longer, too
[13:50] <yossarianuk> can anyone suggest **anything** that might improve flash on Ubuntu?
[13:50] <yossarianuk> Performance has always been worse on Ubuntu for me (on multiple devices/machines)  than other distros - Arch Linux, Fedora, OpenSuse, Bohdi (based on Ubunut) and Mandriva all perform flash video better than Ubuntu - I used to think it was pulseaudio but it can't be as suse and fedora use that by default now. The only difference is that I usually use KDE - however Bodhi Linux is E17 and Fedora is gnome3
[13:50] <ali1234> fullscreen flash?
[13:50] <ali1234> or just general flash?
[13:50] <yossarianuk> yes
[13:50] <ali1234> are you using dual head?
[13:51] <yossarianuk> well both
[13:51] <yossarianuk> no
[13:51] <directhex> yossarianuk, which 3d driver?
[13:52] <yossarianuk> its odd - I have athlonX2 Desktop with Nvidia 450GTS) and a crappy netbook N150 (intel on board) - both perform worse with ubuntu than others
[13:52] <yossarianuk> usually flash video starts o.k then will become totally unwatchable after a while in ubuntu
[13:53] <directhex> degrading over time? that's odd
[13:53] <ali1234> not for nvidia driver
[13:53] <yossarianuk> (the n150 was bascially not good enough to watch fullscreen vid at all - with Bodhi its totally fine - in fact its pretty good)
[13:53] <ali1234> they're supposed to have fixed it now... but i've heard that before
[13:53] <ali1234> are you using unity?
[13:53] <ali1234> and how long is "a while"
[13:54] <yossarianuk> I have noticed this for a while - its actually caused me to switch from ubuntu 11.10 -> Fedora 16 on my netbook
[13:54] <yossarianuk> a while can be random
[13:54] <ali1234> an hour? a day? a week?
[13:54] <yossarianuk> (oh usually within 30 mins)
[13:54] <ali1234> how much memory do you have?
[13:55] <yossarianuk> On my Desktop 4 GB - on the netbook 1GB
[13:55] <yossarianuk> But the netbook is o.k with Fedora16 (gnome3) and Bodhi (e17)
[13:55] <yossarianuk> which is odd
[13:55] <davmor2> yossarianuk: check the default flash settings in ubuntu with those of fedora
[13:55] <yossarianuk> will do - they should be the same...
[13:55] <yossarianuk> (i'm not at home so will double check when I get back)
[13:56] <yossarianuk> I don't think its related to compiz as unity2d has similar issue
[13:56] <yossarianuk> one other thing is that on ubuntu the sound sometimes has a delay .
[13:56] <davmor2> yossarianuk: that's an assumption, if it is different on one system than it is on another then there is a reason for it,  the likely reason is with the default that the different distros package the application with
[13:56] <ali1234> hmm that sounds very related
[13:57] <ali1234> it probably isn't flash "settings"
[13:57] <ali1234> it only has about 3
[13:57] <ali1234> does anything else slow down?
[13:58] <yossarianuk> not that i've noticed....
[13:58] <yossarianuk> (I know unity is more resource intensive than e17, but gnome3 should be similar)
[13:58] <ali1234> unity-2d isn;t resource intensive
[13:59] <ali1234> unity however is significantly more intensive than gnome-shell, at least on 11.10
[13:59] <ali1234> but if it happens on -2d then that isn't the problem
[13:59] <AkaLeafy> hi can anyone help me with software center plz?
[13:59] <yossarianuk> perhaps i'll just watch fullscreen flash in other distro's until 12.04 is released - if its still an issue then i'll do a proper bug report.
[14:00] <ali1234> i suspect a kernel issue
[14:00] <ali1234> ubuntu makes a lot of scheduler tweaks
[14:00] <ali1234> sometimes they cause problems
[14:01] <ali1234> anyway it will be a long hard task to track down whatever it is
[14:02] <yossarianuk> possibly - Suse, Fedora and Arch all have later kernels and Bodhi also has 3.2.x kernel in its repos (which i'm using)  - also opensuse + fedora also have later versions of pulseaudio ...
[14:02] <ali1234> if you have a lot of spare time try a mainline kernel or 12.04
[14:02] <yossarianuk> that's why it might be best to wait and see if the issues are fixed by 12.04...
[14:03] <yossarianuk> ali1234 - yes I may have time to compile a vinilla kernel..
[14:03] <ali1234> you don't need to compile it, there's an archive
[14:04] <AkaLeafy> hello?
[14:04] <AlanBell> hello
[14:04] <ali1234> AkaLeafy: you have to tell us what the problem is
[14:04] <AkaLeafy> does not run
[14:04] <popey> yossarianuk: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[14:04] <ali1234> what version of ubuntu?
[14:05] <ali1234> cheers popey
[14:05] <popey> np
[14:06] <AkaLeafy> 11.1 32bit
[14:07] <AkaLeafy> i have tried running from terminal and get an error message
[14:07] <AlanBell> !paste | AkaLeafy
[14:07] <AkaLeafy> iain@iain-desktop:~$ software-center 2012-02-27 13:13:30,213 - softwarecenter.ui.gtk3.em - INFO - EM's: 17 15 21 Traceback (most recent call last):   File "/usr/bin/software-center", line 151, in <module>     app = SoftwareCenterAppGtk3(datadir, xapian_base_path, options, args)   File "/usr/share/software-center/softwarecenter/ui/gtk3/app.py", line 305, in __init__     self.datadir)   File "/usr/share/software-center/softwarecen
[14:09] <AkaLeafy> gi._glib.GError: Icon 'package-install' not present in theme
[14:10] <AlanBell> AkaLeafy: soemthing is missing, can you try doing "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^" in the terminal
[14:10] <AkaLeafy> ok thanks alan i will try that
[14:11] <AkaLeafy> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[14:13] <AlanBell> ok, in this case I think we poke davmor2
[14:14] <AlanBell> AkaLeafy: is there anything you recall installing that might have a bearing on this, a custom theme perhaps?
[14:14] <davmor2> ouch
[14:14] <davmor2> what
[14:14] <AkaLeafy> nope just using standard themes
[14:14] <AlanBell> davmor2: broken software centre, won't start, partial error trace above
[14:16] <yossarianuk> thanks - i'll try out a mainline kernel and re-test...
[14:19] <AlanBell> davmor2: is this something AkaLeafy should file a bug about?
[14:20] <davmor2> AlanBell: one second
[14:21] <davmor2> AkaLeafy: sorry for the delay mid test,  right can you tell me what you did when you first got the error?
[14:22] <davmor2> AkaLeafy: can you user paste.ubuntu.com to give me a full paste of the error please
[14:22] <AkaLeafy> i reied opening software center from side panel and it would not so i tried using terminal instead
[14:25] <AkaLeafy> how do i do that?
[14:26] <AlanBell> AkaLeafy: go here http://paste.ubuntu.com/ and paste in the full error message and hit paste! then tell us the URL of your paste
[14:26] <davmor2> AkaLeafy: go to http://paste.ubuntu.com  then copy all the text in the terminal and paste it in the website,  add your name where it asks for it and then paste the link once you save the page here please
[14:26] <AkaLeafy> ok will do
[14:27] <AkaLeafy> done
[14:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: AlanBell http://www.reghardware.com/2012/02/27/asus_outs_1920_by_1280_android_tablet_ipad_3_challenger/
[14:28] <davmor2> AkaLeafy: can you post the URL you now have here should be something like http://paste.ubuntu.com/123456
[14:28] <AlanBell> AkaLeafy: that will give you a page with a url like paste.ubuntu.com/198731 or something, paste that in here
[14:29] <AkaLeafy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/859229/
[14:29] <popey> yeah ☺
[14:29] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: want :)
[14:29] <AkaLeafy> sorry am new to this
[14:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> April apparently.
[14:29] <AlanBell> thats fine AkaLeafy
[14:30] <davmor2> AkaLeafy: no worries, we all started off the same
[14:31] <AkaLeafy> well you got to start some where lol
[14:31] <davmor2> AkaLeafy: okay so it's saying that one of the icons isn't available for the theme you are using,  are you sure you didn't change the theme?
[14:32] <AkaLeafy> dont think i did no
[14:35] <davmor2> AkaLeafy: have you been able to open it at all or was this the first time you tried?
[14:36] <AkaLeafy> it has never opened properly
[14:37] <AkaLeafy> my current theme is ambience btw
[14:37] <davmor2> AkaLeafy: okay lets try some surgery,  can you open a terminal please and type in the following  mv ~/.cache/software-center ~/.cache/moo  and then try opening software center again please
[14:38] <AkaLeafy> ok
[14:39] <AkaLeafy> icon flashes but does not load
[14:40] <kirrus> wq
[14:40] <kirrus> argh, wrong terminal
[14:42] <davmor2> AkaLeafy: okay and now if you try opening it from the terminal
[14:42] <AkaLeafy> hold on
[14:43] <AkaLeafy> nope looks like same error
[14:44] <davmor2> AkaLeafy: and just to check it's Ubuntu 11.10 that you are running correct?
[14:45] <AkaLeafy> correct
[14:48] <davmor2> AkaLeafy: could you maximise your terminal and type in the following please,  dpkg -l aptdeamon
[14:48] <AkaLeafy> ok
[14:48] <davmor2> AkaLeafy: and then paste the output into paste.ubuntu.com again please
[14:49] <AkaLeafy> no need i get an error
[14:49] <AkaLeafy> No packages found matching aptdeamon.
[14:51] <DJones> Should it not be "aptdaemon" ?
[14:51] <davmor2> DJones: yeap thanks
[14:51] <AkaLeafy> ok hold on
[14:51] <davmor2> AkaLeafy: should be dpkg -l aptdaemon
[14:51] <bigcalm[xoom]> Back from shopping and still no connection :)
[14:52] <davmor2> I hit the wrong keys sorry
[14:52] <bigcalm[xoom]> This is a test of the and chat voice to text interface
[14:52] <popey> no, you hit the right keys, just in the wrong order :p
[14:53] <bigcalm[xoom]> My goodness I'm very surprised how well that worked enter
[14:53] <popey> lol
[14:53] <davmor2> bigcalm[xoom]: if it's the same tomorrow consider yourself invited over so you can share my connection :)
[14:53] <bigcalm[xoom]> Enter does not submit a line
[14:53] <AkaLeafy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/859268/
[14:53] <bigcalm[xoom]> Vat vait are you
[14:55] <DJones> bigcalm[xoom]: Now try "Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers;A peck of pickled peppers Peter Piper picked;If Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers, Where's the peck of pickled peppers Peter Piper picked?" :)
[14:56] <davmor2> AkaLeafy: okay and now the same again but for python-aptdaemon
[14:56] <bigcalm[xoom]> Peter piper picked a peck of pickled peppers a peck of pickled peppers peter picked text it peter piper picked a peck of pickled peppers with a peck of pickled pepper
[14:57] <bigcalm[xoom]> I think I fell over before the voice to text system did
[14:57] <DJones> Thats quite impressive, not totally right, be a good attempt
[14:57] <bigcalm[xoom]> I think I thought I thought the little thing I thought for some for totalled or totalled
[14:58] <bigcalm[xoom]> Lol
[14:58] <bigcalm[xoom]> Okay that's enough of that
[14:58] <davmor2> bigcalm[xoom]: she sells seashells on the seashore if she sells seashells from the seashore she'll sell seashells forever more
[14:59] <AkaLeafy> command not found davmor2
[14:59] <AkaLeafy> was i supposed to dpkg?
[14:59] <davmor2> AkaLeafy: can you try dpkg -l python-aptdaemon
[14:59] <AkaLeafy> ok i realise that now sorry
[15:01] <davmor2> AkaLeafy: no worries
[15:01] <AkaLeafy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/859280/
[15:04] <davmor2> AkaLeafy: allow me to introduce you to mvo
[15:05] <AkaLeafy> ok
[15:05] <davmor2> mvo: AkaLeafy is the guy with the USC issue
[15:07] <mvo> hey AkaLeafy - could you please check if you have the package "hicolor-icon-theme" installed?
[15:07] <AkaLeafy> ok
[15:08] <AkaLeafy> nope
[15:10] <mvo> AkaLeafy: could you please install it? e..g in a terminal via "sudo apt-get install hicolor-icon-theme" ?
[15:10] <AkaLeafy> ok
[15:11] <mvo> and let me know if that helps?
[15:11] <AkaLeafy> sorry must have been installed already
[15:15] <AkaLeafy> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[15:15] <mvo> and "python -c 'from gi.repository import Gtk; theme=Gtk.IconTheme.get_default();print theme.lookup_icon("package-install", 48, 0)'" will print a error too?
[15:17] <AkaLeafy> none
[15:19] <mvo> AkaLeafy: thanks! could you please run "sudo  update-icon-caches /usr/share/icons/hicolor/" and then the above python command again? does that still print "None" ?
[15:20] <AkaLeafy> yep still none
[15:23]  * mvo scratches head
[15:24] <AkaLeafy> confused? lol
[15:24] <mvo> AkaLeafy: yes, I assume "ls -l /usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/actions/package-install.png" give you output, right? ie. a file with that name?
[15:25] <mvo> AkaLeafy: if you run "python -c 'from gi.repository import Gtk; theme=Gtk.IconTheme.get_default();print theme.lookup_icon("package-install", 16, 0)'" (not the change from 48 to 16) - still None?
[15:26] <AkaLeafy> ls: cannot access /usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/actions/package-install.png: No such file or directory
[15:26] <mvo> ohhh
[15:26] <mvo> in this case, please run:
[15:26] <mvo> sudo apt-get install --reinstall hicolor-icon-theme
[15:27] <AkaLeafy> ok done
[15:30] <AkaLeafy> still get same ls error
[15:32] <mvo> AkaLeafy: hmmmm, ok
[15:32]  * mvo scratches head some more
[15:33] <AlanBell> mvo: that is provided by synaptic according to dpkg -S
[15:34] <DJones> This sounds nice http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/44638/huawei-mediapad-10-fhd-quad-core-android
[15:35] <mvo> AlanBell: yeah, I just nocited too, I need to find out what other icon theme is providing it
[15:39] <mvo> AkaLeafy: as a workaround you can install synaptic for now, I will look into a fresh vm now to figure out what the root of this is
[15:40] <AkaLeafy> ok how do i do that from terminal?
[15:40] <mvo> AkaLeafy: sudo apt-get install synaptic
[15:41] <AkaLeafy> ok thanks
[15:42] <mvo> AkaLeafy: one more question - do you "humanity-icon-theme" installed?
[15:42] <mvo> AkaLeafy: and if not, could you install it (and not install synaptic) and let me know if that helps?
[15:43] <mvo> AkaLeafy: i.e. does "ls -l /usr/share/icons/Humanity/actions/16/package-install.svg " print anything for you?
[15:45] <AkaLeafy> ls: cannot access /usr/share/icons/Humanity/actions/16/package-install.svg: No such file or directory
[15:47] <davmor2> AkaLeafy: how did you install this version of Ubuntu out of interest?
[15:47] <AkaLeafy> downloaded iso
[15:48] <davmor2> hmm that blew that thinking out of the water then :(
[15:48] <AkaLeafy> lol sorry davmor2
[15:51] <mvo> AkaLeafy: could you please "sudo apt-get install --reinstall humanity-icon-theme" ? and what iso? the normal ubuntu desktop iso?
[15:52] <AkaLeafy> yes normal desktop
[15:57] <AkaLeafy> ls -l /usr/share/icons/Humanity/actions/16/package-install.svg -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1686 2011-08-25 22:38 /usr/share/icons/Humanity/actions/16/package-install.svg
[16:03] <AkaLeafy> ok guys just ran software center from terminal again it appears to have loaded ok this time...
[16:05] <davmor2> AkaLeafy: Woohoo, so I wonder why humanity managed to uninstall itself
[16:06] <AkaLeafy> maybe it never installed at all
[16:07] <Laney> mvo in #-uk :O
[16:07] <davmor2> Laney: yes so behave ;)
[16:07] <AkaLeafy> thanks for your help guys much appreciated
[16:07] <AlanBell> AkaLeafy: can you do "grep -n humanity-icon-theme /var/log/dpkg.log"
[16:07] <AkaLeafy> sure hold on
[16:08] <AlanBell> and pastebin the output of that, it will tell us when that package was installed/uninstalled etc
[16:09] <AkaLeafy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/859363/
[16:11] <davmor2> AkaLeafy: hmmm it looks like your system may not of completely installed correctly
[16:12] <davmor2> AkaLeafy: what does dpkg -l ubuntu-desktop say
[16:12] <Laney> the icon package was always installed
[16:12] <Laney> somehow the file wasn't there
[16:13] <dwatkins> Should I download flash from the Adobe site or install via apt/synaptic?
[16:14] <AkaLeafy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/859369/
[16:18] <AkaLeafy> well thanks again guys .......
[16:21] <gord> dwatkins, do you have a reason to download from the site?
[16:22] <dwatkins> gord: it's what my browser linked me to - I'm just wondering from the perspective of what might seem like the logical method to a new user versus the 'best' method
[16:22] <dwatkins> I don't know whether one is better than the other.
[16:23] <ali1234> the sad truth is it's going to suck whichever method you use
[16:24] <ali1234> also you shouldn't do any of those things
[16:24] <dwatkins> what, use youtube? ;)
[16:24] <ali1234> you're supposed to use software center or the applications lens
[16:25] <dwatkins> okey dokey
[16:28] <AkaLeafy> hello again guys whole system is performing much better now thanks - i can see all my icons now - thanks
[16:28] <czajkowski> Laney: got a moment for a quick pm ?
[16:28] <Laney> sure
[16:28] <czajkowski> thanks
[16:29] <davmor2> AkaLeafy: woohoo nice
[16:29] <AkaLeafy> some were missing before - looks much tidier now lol
[16:40] <Laney> what happens if you stab a blood blister?
[16:40] <Laney> so tempting ...
[16:41] <directhex> Laney, er, blood
[16:41] <Laney> no gangrenous death?
[16:41] <directhex> Laney, i've had them on my cheek before, i tend to squish them until they pop. it's less annoying in the grand scheme of things
[16:41] <directhex> on my cheek = inside
[16:42] <Laney> gosh
[16:42] <Laney> this is on the end of my finger. makes climbing slightly annoying.
[16:42] <directhex> done working for the day. now to carry on tidying my home!
[16:48]  * czajkowski stabs gord 
[16:48] <gord> lemmealone
[16:48] <mattt> woah, the violence
[16:49] <gord> i'm going to start a charity for abused #ubuntu-ukians, will have Anneka from Challenge Anneka present the sad music adverts on telly
[16:50] <davmor2> czajkowski: man you're stabbing gord I'm jealous now
[16:51] <czajkowski> gord: I've managed not to sta anyone in here since xmas
[16:51] <czajkowski> you broke me
[16:57] <bigcalm[xoom]> Even though my boss knows about my network outage, I haven't felt this stressed for more than 2 years (or however long I've been on the meds)
[16:57]  * bigcalm[xoom] goes in search of tea
[16:57]  * Pendulum hugs bigcalm[xoom] 
[16:58] <mattt> bigcalm[xoom]: what happened
[17:02]  * bigcalm[xoom] hugs Pendulum tight
[17:04] <bigcalm[xoom]> mattt: VirginMedia have a hardware problem that has knocked out two post codes. This is day 4. They are waiting for replacement parts and hope to fix tonight
[17:04] <bigcalm[xoom]> We'll see
[17:05] <mattt> bigcalm[xoom]: ah, work from home?  suckage :(
[17:06] <bigcalm[xoom]|> mattt: yes
[17:07]  * bigcalm[xoom]| sips his camomile and spearmint tea
[17:08] <davmor2> bigcalm[xoom]|: ah about to ring up Vm again then
[17:09] <bigcalm[xoom]|> I haven't had a tea infusion since 2006. This is taking me back to when I started as a coder for a living
[17:09] <bigcalm[xoom]|> davmor2: he he
[17:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> Dribble dribble dribble: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2012/02/report-samsung-galaxy-s-iii-to-have-1080p-screen-quad-core-processor.ars
[17:20] <bigcalm[xoom]|> Oh my, I want that as my hand set upgrade! Doubt that it'll be out by April though. And T-Mobile will drag their feet once it is available
[17:24] <AlanBell> you have to watch out for things that claim to be HD in media reports
[17:24] <bigcalm[xoom]|> HasDust
[17:24] <AlanBell> there is a samsung beam thing with a projector in it that I have seen described as HD.
[17:25] <bigcalm[xoom]|> Highly dubious
[17:25] <AlanBell> there are a lot of "HD" resolutions these days, not just 1080x1920, the projector in a phone thing is actually nHD which is 640x320 or a ninth of HD
[17:26] <AlanBell> and that gets passed like chinese whispers through a journalist or two and becomes a "watch HD movies on the projector" kind of thing
[17:26] <bigcalm[xoom]|> Heh
[17:28] <gord> I've seen a lot of "hd" tvs that run sub hd resolutions as well, they just accept a HD video format like 720p or 1080p
[17:28] <gord> rather annoying when you hook it up to a pc and you can't see your panel because its really 960p or whatever
[17:30] <bigcalm[xoom]|> Like my tv :(
[17:31] <mattt> bigcalm[xoom]|: are you on 3G now or something?
[17:33] <bigcalm[xoom]|> H, yes
[17:35] <bigcalm[xoom]> Blah
[17:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> Very, very nice. Ubudroid in action: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/02/ubuntu-for-android-gets-shown-off-at-world-mobile-congress/
[17:51] <MartijnVdS> So.. Linux for Human Beings for Android
[17:51]  * MartijnVdS calls Sarah Connor
[17:51]  * czajkowski wants the galaxy nexus 
[17:51] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: I have it, it's ♥
[17:54] <czajkowski> looks lovely
[17:54] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: it's fast as well.. and it works in 12.04 now (\o/)
[17:54] <czajkowski> oh sweet
[17:54] <MartijnVdS> slight problem with banshee, but that should be fixable
[17:56] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: i have one of those in my hand now ☺
[17:56] <MartijnVdS> So.. rhythmbox is the recommended/default music player again, right?
[17:56] <MartijnVdS> (in 12.04)
[17:56] <popey> yes
[17:57]  * MartijnVdS tries it.. let's see if it has improved ;)
[17:57] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: no, basically
[17:57] <czajkowski> ahh
[17:58] <gordonjcp> it doesn't play streams
[17:58]  * czajkowski wonders when Banshee will vanish and RB appears with all my music 
[17:58] <gordonjcp> and it doesn't play local files
[17:58] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: I'm going to see if it crashes when I plug in my phoner
[17:58] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: if it doesn't, it's better than banshee ;)
[17:58] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: it might not...
[17:59] <popey> czajkowski: why would it vanish?
[17:59] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: also, I stopped using it after it decided that since it couldn't *play* any of my media files, it was going to delete them instead
[17:59] <popey> czajkowski: we don't rip out apps that you're using during upgrades
[17:59] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: rhythmbox is fatally flawed, fatally like "may as well run rm -rf / as root" flawed
[17:59] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: So is banshee if it can't copy music to my phone
[18:00] <MartijnVdS> anyway, need to reboot, brb
[18:00] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: right, but banshee won't go "oh, I can't copy these, I'll just delete them from the library"
[18:00] <czajkowski> popey: I can hope can't I :)
[18:00] <ali1234> anyone ever used hybridauth and wordpress-social-login to enable openid logins from launchpad?
[18:01] <popey> czajkowski: just uninstall banshee if you dont want it
[18:03] <davmor2> czajkowski: it already is
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> Argh
[18:03] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: it's always possible I'm doing something wrong, but I would have thought that in a clean, un-fiddled-with install of 12.04 rhythmbox ought to be able to at least play back local files
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> phone supports FLAC. So rhythmbox copies flac to phone
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> ...
[18:04] <czajkowski> popey: aye was waiting till it was nice and stable again
[19:04] <ali1234> hmm... has anyone ever used openid at all beyond using it to log in places?
[19:08] <AlanBell> ali1234: yeah, a bit
[19:08] <ali1234> do you know what hybridauth is?
[19:08] <ali1234> my problem in a nutshell: i want to log in to wordpress with an arbitrary openid
[19:09] <ali1234> hybridauth supports generic openid but it is disabled in several wordpress plugins
[19:09] <ali1234> however, they still support openid from specific providers such as yahoo
[19:09] <ali1234> i have one found one reference to a reason for this
[19:09] <AlanBell> no, sorry. I hacked openID into etherpad lite (badly) and got it working (just) but thats about it
[19:09] <ali1234> someone claims that if you run your own openid provider you can log in to wordpress as admin by guessing the admin's email
[19:10] <ali1234> and then creating that identity on your own openid provider
[19:10] <ali1234> now to me, that sounds like it would only work if wordpress (or the plugin) was incredibly badly designed
[19:11] <ali1234> although thinking about it, i can see how you could accidentally design it that way, if you link a wp account to a "remote type" account which is one of(google, yahoo, openid)
[19:11] <ali1234> then, all openid accounts will be exactly equal
[19:12] <ali1234> that's a design flaw of the plugin though
[19:13] <ali1234> i've hacked generic openid support back into wp-social-connect
[19:14] <ali1234> but it doesn't work
[19:24] <ali1234> sweet i managed to add launchpad as a specific provider
[19:25] <ali1234> it was actually mind bogglingly easy
[19:28] <ali1234> it doesn't seem to actually link to a wordpress account, it just creates a new one
[19:29] <AlanBell> does it store the full openID identity somewhere?
[19:29] <ali1234> no
[19:30] <ali1234> it gets your "full name" from openid, lowercases it, replaces space with _, and makes a new account
[19:30] <ali1234> i guess it also compares the email addresses
[19:31] <ali1234> so yeah, if i allowed any provider, it could be trivially fooled
[19:37] <shauno> does openid actually make any requests straight from wordpress to the provider?  I was under the impression it was all submitted via the client
[19:38] <ali1234> as i understand it, client logs in to provider (launchpad), and the provider pings a callback on the consumer (my wordpress site)
[19:44] <shauno> so much of it seems to happen within the browser, that I'm curious what happens if you fudge your local name resolution so the provider responding on the client's side isn't who it should be
[19:44] <AlanBell> not sure the provider and consumer talk to each other
[19:45] <AlanBell> you have to do some messing about if the consumer is on a private address (192.168.*) because some providers won't redirect there (launchpad will, Ubuntu SSO won't)
[19:47] <ali1234> they must talk at some point
[19:47] <ali1234> otherwise i could just set up a local provider and log in to any site as anyone i wanted
[19:47] <AlanBell> don't think so, it is all stuff that gets passed about by the browser
[19:49] <ali1234> well wikipedia disagrees
[19:51] <AlanBell> ok, consumer checks with provider
[19:51] <ali1234> yeah
[19:52] <AlanBell> provider doesn't ping consumer (because I can run a consumer locally behind NAT and it works
[19:52] <AlanBell> )
[19:52] <ali1234> now, if i allowed two openid sources, someone could create an account using my details on the second one, then log in as me
[19:52] <ali1234> but that's because this plugin is very badly designed
[19:53] <AlanBell> yeah, it should store the full openID URI for each account
[19:53] <ali1234> perhaps it would not work if they were both technically different providers
[19:53] <AlanBell> not just trust the assertion of nickname or whatever
[19:54] <ali1234> let me check the database
[19:55] <ali1234> ok, it appears to store some form of the openid
[19:55] <ali1234> full url
[19:57] <ali1234> hmm
[19:58] <ali1234> i tested this:
[19:58] <ali1234> delete the old user, make a new user manualy with my details from launchpad
[19:58] <ali1234> then, login using launchpad
[19:58] <ali1234> it created a new user rather than letting me in to the old one
[19:58] <ali1234> so pretty much as expected
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> oooh: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/716
[19:58] <ali1234> would be better if it let me link the accounts instead
[19:59] <shauno> I guess what I'm curious about, is what happens if I setup a provider inside my lan.  and then add an entry to my hosts file so it answers requests that would have otherwise gone to a provider outside my lan
[19:59] <shauno> can the the consumer tell the difference?
[20:00] <ali1234> then the shared secret test will fail
[20:02] <ali1234> what can resize pngs from the command line and doesn't depend on libx11?
[20:03] <ali1234> also, i think raspberrypi.org runs on a raspberry pi
[20:04] <AlanBell> imagemagick can be compiled to not depend on X11
[20:04] <ali1234> i don't want to recompile it
[20:04] <ali1234> there must be something in the repos...
[20:05] <AlanBell> there is the GD image library that PHP thingies use
[20:06] <ali1234> pngtools?
[20:06] <ali1234> nope
[20:08] <AlanBell> php-gd5 depends on X stuff :(
[20:08] <AlanBell> php5-gd even
[20:10] <AlanBell> The Raspberry Pi Foundation will be making a big (and very positive) announcement that just might interest you at 0600h GMT on Wednesday 29 February 2012
[20:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell - I have added an alarm to the calendar :-)
[20:13] <ali1234> most amusing factoid from MWC - "Americans most likely (12%) to spill alcohol on their phone."
[20:13] <AlanBell> wow. Does that include Bud lite?
[20:13] <ali1234> i guess so
[20:31] <daubers> Evening
[20:37] <ali1234> i must say... wordpress is much easier to develop for than drupal
[20:37] <ali1234> i spent months fighting drupal on my own site and that's really simple
[20:38] <Azelphur> ali1234: haha, I'm doing Drupal stuff atm
[20:41] <ali1234> my experience so far with wordpress can be summed up with that "everything went better than expected" image
[20:42] <czajkowski> AlanBell: see pm
[20:53] <s-fox> o/
[21:16] <zleap> 58 days till 12.04 is launched
[21:16] <popey> 13
[21:16] <popey> bah!
[21:17]  * mgdm waves at Seeker` 
[21:17] <Seeker`> lo
[21:17] <mgdm> how goes it?
[21:18]  * mgdm is considering doing a reinstall for the next Ubuntu from scratch, maybe on an SSD
[21:18] <mgdm> my Oneiric machine takes around 5-6 minutes to boot, which is suboptimal
[21:18] <Seeker`> goes good
[21:18]  * popey has a USB3 HDD enclosure arriving tomorrow
[21:19]  * popey will put an SSD in it
[21:20] <mgdm> bloke at work has an SSD now instead of 2x 1TB drives in RAID0 (you can imagine why he now has new drives)
[21:20] <mgdm> vast improvement over the old
[21:21] <popey> yeah, i _love_ the ssd in this laptop
[21:21] <popey> the lenovo engineer came to replace the mobo, then handed the laptop to me to test. i powered up.. "fsck me thats a bit quick!"
[21:24] <bigcalm[xoom]> He didn't notice the ssd?
[21:25] <diplo> evening all
[21:25] <bigcalm[xoom]> Blah
[21:25] <zleap> lol nice#
[21:29] <bigcalm[xoom]> Is there any sort of compensation for lack of service from VirginMedia?
[21:30] <mgdm> doubt it
[21:30] <diplo> Nope
[21:30] <diplo> Tried before, can phone up and say I'm leaving because of the downtime
[21:30] <mgdm> unless you moan at them a LOT, at which point you might get something to keep quiet
[21:30] <mgdm> but consumer broadband has no SLA
[21:30] <diplo> Will probably give you some extra services or a month free
[21:31] <bigcalm[xoom]> Bah
[21:31] <bigcalm[xoom]> Could do without the hassle
[21:32] <diplo> I had that one time with them bigcalm[xoom]
[21:32] <diplo> Sucks
[21:33] <bigcalm[xoom]> The service is great when it works :)
[21:37] <gordonjcp> diplo: it's always worth threatening to leave because of crap performance
[21:37]  * bigcalm[xoom] looks into tonic
[21:41] <diplo> yeah i was with them for 12-13 years bigcalm[xoom]
[21:41] <diplo> Too good a deal with Sky :)
[21:41] <diplo> Debating moving back now though, going to phone them and see what they offer
[21:42] <bigcalm[xoom]> I like the mates rates we get
[21:42] <diplo> I don't know anyone at Virgin any more, they all get laid off down here :(
[21:43] <bigcalm[xoom]> And the 5mb we'd get from ads isn't very enticing
[21:43] <bigcalm[xoom]> And up here. But we managed to keep or mates rates some how
[21:44] <diplo> I only get 6mb
[21:44] <diplo> Speed didn't really bother me to much now adays
[21:44] <diplo> II don't download anything really now adays
[21:45] <popey> bigcalm[xoom]: can I have you V+ box please ☺
[21:46] <bigcalm[xoom]> popey: sure, if we ever stop using vm ;)
[21:48] <diplo> popey, I have one they never took, got a spare card ?
[21:50] <popey> ya
[21:51] <diplo> Yours if you want it
[21:51] <popey> oooo
[21:51] <diplo> Got a v+ and the basic box
[21:51] <popey> yeah, i have a basic box not doing anything
[21:52] <popey> with a card
[21:52] <popey> the card will work in a v+ box wont it?
[21:52] <diplo> hmm thinking about it
[21:52] <diplo> They work, but i think if the card isn't +'d it won't record etc
[21:53] <diplo> More than welcome to try
[21:53] <popey> i can try with my cards
[21:55] <diplo> Not sure how I would organise getting them to you, be visiting my bro near epsom in next month or so
[21:56] <popey> whereabouts do you live?
[21:57] <diplo> Near Bath
[21:58] <diplo> Depends on how soon you want it, going to be out and about over next few weeks but haven't been told yet :)
[21:58] <diplo> where I am going.
[21:58] <popey> no hurry ☺
[22:00] <diplo> Cool, well now I know how I have a place for them to go I can make sure I get a gig your way if anything comes up.. you're Farnham way aren't you ? From G+ posts i've seen.
[22:05] <popey> yeah
[22:07] <bigcalm[xoom]|> New eta of 12.47am. Not sure I'll stay up to find out
[22:10] <zleap> what tuesday or wednesday
[22:12] <bigcalm[xoom]|> Tuesday
[22:45] <bigcalm[xoom]> Just did less on a .zip and got a result I was not expecting
[22:45] <AlanBell> less is clever
[22:45] <bigcalm[xoom]> Agreed
[22:47] <andresmp> hello, I was experimenting with bazar and launchpad
[22:48] <andresmp> if i push something on my side how does it show up in launchpad?
[22:48] <popey> if you push it to launchpad, yes ☺
[22:48] <popey> you can see it on code.launchpad.net/~YOURLPID
[22:52] <bigcalm[xoom]> It is I!
[22:55] <andresmp> yay! thanks popey! https://code.launchpad.net/~andresmp/podofile/spaniard
[22:56] <andresmp> looks like no one is using that anyway. I hope i do not mess things up for the next person.
[22:56] <popey> its your own branch
[22:56] <popey> nobody else can touch it
[22:57] <andresmp> ah...
[22:57] <andresmp> so I have to do a merge request.
[23:01] <andresmp> when bzr says "nothing to do" does it mean it already did what it was intended to do. or that it efectively did nothing because it already did it?