[00:13] [Gareth France] Tottenham Court Road/Tolworth 25th/26th February 2012 - http://cliftonts.co.uk/cubuntu/?p=106 [00:52] popey: do you run munin? I made a plugin that does minecraft (and every other type of game server) [02:13] [Jono Bacon] Kudos, LibreOffice - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/02/27/kudos-libreoffice/ [05:59] hello? [06:01] i cannot connect ftp to my ubuntu server, can anyone help? [06:04] aizuddin: do you mean sftp? [06:05] and then, when i enter command 'ftp localhost' and login using the account and its password, it says '530 login incorrect, login failed, 421 service not available, remote server has closed connection' [06:06] why are you setting up FTP? FTP is deprecated [06:06] !private | aizuddin [06:06] aizuddin: Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can help you, benefit from your questions and answers, and ensure that you're not getting bad advice. Please note that some people find it rude to be sent a PM without being asked for permission to do so first. [06:07] oh ok, im sory, im a newbie [06:07] np :) [06:08] yea, why FTP and not SFTP? FTP is kinda obsolete nowo [06:08] haha, dont know, because i just had to follow this company old procedure [06:09] you'll probably find that most clients that support FTP support SFTP too now, it's much safer, and it's built into the OS and generally easier. [06:09] FTP is totally unencrypted and insecure, anyone can sniff your login details if they are on the same network as you [06:09] so basically, FTP bad SFTP good. [06:10] u mean, that server need to be set using sftp izzit? [06:10] i mean better using sftp right? [06:10] nope, if you have SSH you have SFTP already [06:10] do you intend for each of your users to have a ssh account as well as a FTP account? [06:11] ow, i think ssh already disabled by the admin, they dont want it to be enable [06:11] how are you even controlling the server then? :S [06:11] internally [06:11] like, your in front of the computer physically? [06:12] yes [06:12] *shrug* [06:12] they want it to be that way [06:12] You can disable ssh logins on ssh and still use SFTP if you like [06:13] ow ok, actually i nvr use that before ftp or sftp [06:13] hehe [06:13] but yea, either SFTP or FTPS, never FTP. [06:13] haha [06:14] then, i think i need to start from scratch how to setup web server in ubuntu server [06:14] *guide [06:15] aizuddin: what do you want, apache, mysql and php? [06:15] this 1 is using apache2 [06:15] you already have a web server? then why do you want to set one up? [06:16] so that is the first step right [06:16] actually this server already runs about 5 website [06:17] i want to add another, but i dont know how, just created new user since i see every website placed in every account directory [06:18] you should ask the admin. [06:18] so right now, i want to upload web files using filezilla, but is says login incorrect, like there's no such user available in the list [06:19] wat...you said you was in front of the computer [06:19] ya, but the admin already out, right now this company dont have its own admin [06:19] ya, im in the server room [06:19] how are you controlling this machine? [06:20] *out=resign [06:20] in front of the computer [06:20] I see :P [06:20] ok, so put the files on a USB drive or something and done? [06:20] alternatively just enable SFTP since the old admin isn't there any more to say dumb things [06:20] hahahah [06:21] whats the command, will it change the current ftp login? [06:21] sudo apt-get install openssh-server [06:21] it'll change nothing to do with your proFTPd server [06:21] after installing openssh-server, you can control the server over ssh, and upload files from your FTP client using your SSH credentials. [06:22] ok, then this thing will automatically enable once i install it right? [06:22] yep [06:23] ok, [06:23] lemmetry [06:23] brb, getting food. [06:44] aizuddin: any luck? [06:55] hurm.. :s .. im a bit confuse now [06:56] aizuddin: all you need to do is install openssh-server, and connect using SFTP and your normal login details [06:57] erm.. after i install openssh, how to log in to that thing? [06:58] what FTP client do you have? [06:59] filezilla? [06:59] so click file > site manager [07:00] and new site, protocol: SFTP [07:00] put host, user and password in, connect. [07:02] logon type? [07:02] normal. [07:03] ok wait me try [07:05] ok, it says, openssh is already a newer version [07:06] you already have it then [07:21] azelphur [07:21] ? [07:22] so what to do now, i try login but it comes out 'network error: connection refused' [07:23] you left port blank, right? [07:23] right, the right port is 22 izzit? [07:24] yea should be [07:28] aloha [07:28] * Azelphur waves at czajkowski [07:29] * Azelphur is off to sleep [07:58] morning all [08:00] that [08:00] \o/ [08:03] morning [08:09] ali1234: Sounds like you you see the fallback as having possibilities [08:10] DJones: it looks worse than it is because gtk3 themes don't really work the same [08:10] in terms of features it is identical to gnome 2 [08:11] maybe even a few improvements [08:12] I didn't get chance to try it, had a stack of updates in a vm & by the time they'd finished it was time to do something elses [08:17] Did everyone have a nice weekend? [08:18] saturday i was ill, photoshoot sunday went ok :D [08:18] TheOpenSourcerer: what about you? [08:18] Rugby was fun [08:18] Yeah - enjoyed it mostly. The England Wales game was a real cracker of a match. [08:19] AlanBell: Ah was this the Ubuntu rugby trip? [08:20] aloha [08:23] TheOpenSourcerer: yup, spent a lot of time with the kids [08:23] Cool. [08:23] now, off to london [08:24] also, no sign of raspberry pi yet [08:24] have a nice day \o/ [08:24] Is it supposed to be out today then? [08:24] rumours say, yes [08:25] "In other news, if you don’t own an alarm clock, this weekend might be a good time to do some shopping." [08:25] lol [08:26] Ah well, our internet may be a bit flakey today, changing email systems over from an own server to a webmail hosted system, guy thats doing it says that there's that much email to transfer over, it'll kill the bandwidth [08:27] TheOpenSourcerer: yes, London Irish vs Northampton Saints [08:27] DJones: https://github.com/gtozzi/imapcp [08:29] TheOpenSourcerer: I'm sitting back & letting the IT support firm we use do it (well, them and MooDoo's collegues) [08:29] hey :-) [08:29] Its going from pop3 to imap [08:29] Ewww, [08:31] Yeah, even worse, they're only changing 80% of the email over, depending on which departments your in you get one of two @domain.com address, they're only doing one of them at the minute [08:52] does anyone know why no keyboard shortcuts work after i upgraded yesterday? [08:52] Morning [08:54] morning [08:54] TheOpenSourcerer: how is the hunt for a swede going? [08:55] hey christel [08:55] Badly :-) All I've had so far is some links to the Muppets Swedish chef ;-) [09:00] * czajkowski hugs christel morning darling [09:01] Guten morgen [09:04] TheOpenSourcerer: lol well, if she'll settle for a norwegian just give me a prod :) [09:05] Thanks christel I may well take you up on that! [09:13] :) [09:14] Morning [09:20] hwody [09:20] howdy [09:21] Happy Monday, everyone! :D [09:24] * DJones kicks JamesTait for being cheerful on a Monday [09:25] DJones: It's the law. ;) [09:25] * daubers is the law [09:25] DJones: daubers told me to be cheerful, or he'd break my legs. [09:25] * may not actually me true [09:25] JamesTait: It should be the law that anybody who's cheerful on a Monday deserves a kick :) [09:26] DEFINITELY NOT [09:26] I'd get kicked all the time [09:28] andyloughran: Did daubers threaten you too? [09:30] nope, I'm just infectiously happy 99.9999% of the time [09:30] I'm only not happy when Amazon RRS goes down [09:32] andyloughran: The infectiously happy bit is a good way to be. :) [09:32] It's my superpower :D [09:32] http://scorecomms.com/andy_loughran [09:32] :D [09:33] I should be careful about suggesting that people in the Ubuntu community may not actually be happy and only appear so because they're under threat of violence. It'll appear on someone's blog and before you know it, it'll be on the front page of Slashdot. [09:34] It's ok, daubers already threatened slashdot :p [09:34] Hah! [09:37] JamesTait: it's monday and already causing trouble [09:37] well done [09:37] czajkowski: Moi? Never! [09:37] slashdot... now there's somewhere you don't want to gon on a monday morning [09:38] daubers: Or most of the rest of the week, actually. [09:38] JamesTait: Very true [09:39] mornibng czajkowski [09:39] czajkowski: And a very good morning to you too! :D [09:55] Hey up peeps :-) [09:58] bigcalm[xoom]: Any sign of cable fix yet? [09:58] Day 4 of no virgin media internet connection. And [09:59] That answers that question [09:59] And now my T-Mobile connection won't sit still [09:59] :) [10:01] How are you DJones ? [10:04] Not bad, nothing that painkillers & coffee can't solve [10:04] How about you apart from internet troubles [10:05] the end of the working day will help too :D [10:05] MooDoo: Thats a loooooonnnggggg way away though [10:06] DJones: too long, although i finish at 2 today, it won't come soon enough [10:07] DJones: my breakfast is coffee and co-codamol :) [10:07] MooDoo: Just thought, the end of teh day means dog walk time, not good with a collapsing knee [10:07] bigcalm[xoom]: Snap, but with the added extra of Ibuprofen as well [10:08] DJones: ah your end of day routine differs...djones = dog walk MooDoo = vodka ;) lol [10:08] Anybody got a spare back in good working order that they don't need? [10:11] Nope, if you find one, get a couple though, I could use one as well [10:12] * gord is rather glad he made his first and only /home/ backup last week as this morning he managed to rm -rf his home directory [10:13] gord: good way to start Monday [10:13] in my defence, it was pre-coffee [10:14] Fair enough [10:28] ... [10:39] * DJones dcc's some fresh carrier pidgeons to bigcalm[xoom]| [10:41] Haha, cheers [10:41] good morning everyone, [10:45] morning all [10:47] Hi brobostigon and davmor2 [10:48] hi davmor2 [10:49] * czajkowski hugs davmor2 hello [10:49] Morning all [10:49] hi bigcalm[xoom]| [10:49] (again) [10:50] hi popey [10:50] bigcalm[xoom]|: man still no T'interweb? [10:50] Hi popey and czajkowski :) [10:50] bigcalm[xoom]|: goto a coffee shop and work from there all day dude seriously [10:50] davmor2: this is the case [10:51] I've got plenty of dev to do that is self contained. Just means moving schedules around a little [10:51] MooDoo: 'ow do [10:52] czajkowski: here have hug [10:52] popey: morning dude [10:52] davmor2: crappy, er i mean cracking [10:53] MooDoo: how was the PhotoShoot? [10:53] davmor2: brill thanks. [10:53] davmor2: http://prjmphotography.smugmug.com/Model-Shoots/The-Mellors-Family/21648272_rsbfCH#!i=1726622637&k=rtGf5gf [10:53] sorry for the link lol [10:54] ... [10:55] Silly T-Mobile wants to get in on the disconnecting action [10:55] MooDoo: me likes sonny with the brolly [10:55] bigcalm[xoom]: of to a coffee shop with you [10:55] davmor2: :) [10:56] ping AlanBell [10:56] Andchat could do with coloured nicks [10:56] MooDoo: of course the best photo is the one at the end taken by a pro that has you the right side of the viewfinder :P [10:57] o/ [10:57] MooDoo: in all seriousness there are some fun shots there [10:57] AlanBell: Need some advice re: project management software (before I spend two days making spreadsheets) [10:57] Mr Bell I presume [10:58] All roads seem to lead to OpenERP, but this seems very much OTT for what I need [10:58] davmor2: actually it was self timer :p; [10:58] bigcalm[xoom]: what did vm support say? [10:59] http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/desktops/373126/chillblast-fusion-immortal anyone after a new pc? [10:59] daubers: how many people will be collaborating on managing the project? [10:59] MooDoo: No who'd of thunk it [10:59] Managing the project? Maybe 2 [10:59] (mostly 1) [11:00] davmor2: it was a fun afternoon, more to come hopefully [11:00] popey: recorded message says that it's affecting two post code areas. So not just my problem [11:00] AlanBell: useful if I can give those with the marching orders some read only access to see what's going on in context [11:01] Eta is 7.47pm - odd time that [11:01] daubers: ok, in that case you don't need openERP (which is good for lots of people with edit access to their bit) [11:02] AlanBell: Ok... any advice on other software? [11:02] bigcalm[xoom]: and they think it will get better as they increase the speed [11:02] if you want a pretty gantt chart creating tool then planner is OK [11:02] Problem with planner is that it doesn't work on the macs :) [11:02] !info planner [11:02] planner (source: planner): project management application. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.14.5-0ubuntu1 (oneiric), package size 3175 kB, installed size 7892 kB [11:03] ok, so some kind of web based thingie then :) [11:03] yeah :) [11:03] daubers: Also take a look at web2project - it's a php app - fork of the old dotproject. [11:04] TheOpenSourcerer: Not seen that one, had seen dotproject [11:05] I've not used it, but it took over from dotproject which seemed to die a bit of a slow painful death. [11:05] there are things like trak and redmine which are good for actually managing projects, but not so good at doing pretty gantt charts [11:06] I played with trac and ended up shouting at it lots [11:06] I know in many organisations project management == gantt chart [11:07] o/ [11:07] gantt charts would be nice, but not essential if I can script something to pull out the data needed for them [11:07] daubers, Doing some UML ? [11:07] morning s-fox [11:09] Hello MooDoo , how are you ? [11:10] s-fox: i'm fine thnaks. you? [11:10] Not bad thank you, did you have a good weekend ? [11:11] Of course you could have OpenERP 6.1 up and running in about 15minutes and just use the Project tools... [11:11] s-fox: ill saturday and photoshoot sunday, so half not bad lol [11:12] TheOpenSourcerer: I'm tempted... might throw together a couple of VM's and install OpenERP and web2project and play [11:12] http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2012/02/22/how-to-install-openerp-6-1-on-ubuntu-10-04-lts/ [11:12] daubers: ^^ [11:13] TheOpenSourcerer: Ta [11:14] MooDoo, Get any good pics ? [11:25] * daubers waits for his base image to install [11:35] Hmmh, precise beta 1 released this week, I'm tempted to upgrade now [11:44] http://event.asus.com/mobile/padfone/ [11:44] nice [11:45] I can't own something called a fone though ;) [11:46] heh [11:48] popey: You goto wonder if it will be an exclusive for Voda.....ermmm....Fone [11:54] aquarius, the mythical N9 PR1.2 has apparently shipped [11:55] popey: customer service person dug deep into the issue and found that the engineers are waiting on parts to be delivered from Motorola [12:15] Update manager getting 490kB/s via my phone isn't too shabby [12:21] bigcalm[xoom]|: till it kills your unlimited 3g usage :) [12:22] cant happen here, three have unlimited, without a FUP. so proper unlimited. [12:36] As I pay 7.50 a month for unlimited usage, I do hope T-Mobile don't mess me around [12:36] Who would want a mobile phone that cane take photo's at 41 megapixels? [12:36] Goodness [12:37] And its Symbian :) http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/27/nokia-announces-808-pureview-belle-os-4-inch-display-41-megap/ [12:37] that's been announced then :) [12:37] You are doing it wrong if you base your camera purchase based upon the number of mega pixels it has [12:37] symbian is good [12:38] Lunch time I think [12:41] hello chaps [12:41] "41" [12:42] not real 41 [12:42] also, symbian on a new high-end phone = call the roflcopter [13:01] What's wrong with symbian? I've never used it, didn't know they still made phones with it either. [13:01] nothing is wrong with it [13:17] dwatkins, it's as good as it's ever been [13:17] dwatkins, which is "great, because the iphone doesn't exist yet" [13:20] directhex: ah, I see - I suspected that might be the case [13:20] of course in the real world symbian can do everything the iphone can do [13:21] the last few flagship symbian phones have been "it's got an awesome camera! also can sorta make calls, more or less" [13:21] it just doesn't have an apple logo on it [13:21] ali1234, that's the hubris inside nokia which has lead to their current share price [13:21] the "symbian is awesome, iphone is a fad" thinking at every level of manglement [13:21] no, the hubris inside nokia is called stephen elop [13:21] sorry, that actually made me lol [13:21] the current share price is due to them now being a subsidiary of microsoft [13:22] additional rofls [13:22] and all their recent phones being terrible [13:23] so the OS is great but the hardware sucks? you'll find you're in disagreement with every professional phone reviewer on the planet, there [13:24] no. the problem is the OS sucks and the hardware is OK but not up to the usual nokia quality [13:24] i thought symbian was just as good as iOS? now it sucks? [13:24] no. windows phone 7 sucks [13:25] and the lumia 700 and 800 are roughly on the hardware quality of htc [13:25] ie cheap plastic rubbish [13:25] and the n9? [13:25] the N9? widely considered to be excellent? [13:26] the hardware, i mean [13:26] never seen it [13:26] see, what i'm doing here is trapping you with your own words, given the n9 and the lumia 800 have *identical* industrial design, with a unibody polycarbonate design [13:27] your point being? [13:28] my point being the criticism of the hardware is incorrect - the lumia 800 and n9 have both been praised in equal measure (given they're the same thing in this regard) for the hardware [13:28] everyone's entitled to their opinion, but yours is just wrong. [13:28] why even compare them then? [13:28] compare the lumia 800 with some of the previous symbian phones [13:29] specifically? [13:29] N8 or C7 [13:29] "The Nokia N8 is housed within a beautiful body that comes in enough shades to please everyone from a schoolgirl to a suited businessman, and features perhaps the best mobile camera ever, but at its heart lies the disappointing Symbian^3 OS. The limitations of this software make sure this won't be the phone to bring Nokia back to the forefront of the smartphone market." [13:29] that one? [13:30] yes [13:30] please do describe these "limitations" [13:30] what exactly can it not do? [13:30] wait the C7 isn't plastic tat but the lumia 710 is? o_o [13:32] correct. the C7 is all metal [13:32] except the transparent part obviously [13:37] http://www.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/nokia-c7-905015/review?artc_pg=2 onwards seems to cover symbian fairly well [13:39] "making calls is a great experience" [13:40] if all you want is a portable telephone, buy a £10 S20 brick from tesco [13:40] Is making calls the main reason why you buy a smartphone? [13:41] i actually laughed out loud at how terrible some of the UI is in that review [13:41] Dave2: er, yes? [13:42] the voice control stuff is brilliant [13:42] linux is letting me down atm...:( [13:42] which by there own admission, they don't want any way [13:42] terrible performance on 11.10 + nvidia dual screen in gnome shell [13:43] so it's okay to include a useless option as long as the useless option is implemented by a dozen monkeys bashing keyboards? [13:43] But all phones can make calls. You wouldn't buy a smartphone just to make calls. If making calls is all that matters, why buy a smartphone? [13:44] Dave2: so it can do other things. that doesn't mean making phone calls isn't the most important function [13:44] you can do other things on a £10 series 20 brick too. it has snake! [13:44] Depends on your usage. It's not the most important function on my phone. And regardless, if it can make calls really well but everything else is a bit painful, why would you buy that phone over a simpler phone with a better battery life? [13:45] because symbian phones already have great battery life [13:45] Not compared to dumber phones. [13:45] nope [13:45] they have battery life comparable to feature phones [13:45] and functionality too! [13:46] zing! [13:46] they absolutely destroy any other smartphone if that's your most important criteria [13:46] If battery life is your most important factor, you don't buy a smartphone [13:47] unless your third most important criteria is mapping or web browsing [13:47] Symbian phones may have a longer battery life than, say, Android, but they don't rival dumber phones. [13:47] that's just plain flat out wrong [13:47] Hoe l [13:47] er [13:47] How long would you expect the battery to last on a decent Symbian phone? [13:47] about a week [13:47] with what usage pattern? [13:48] Really? I find that quite hard to believe. [13:48] with a similar usage pattern to a feature phone [13:48] the majority of the battery usage on a smartphone is backlighting a 4" high definition screen [13:48] which is pretty OS-agnostic an issue [13:48] C7 has no backlight, it's AMOLED [13:48] same for N9 [13:48] er N8 [13:48] so do plenty of samsung android phones [13:49] But regardless, you get dumber phones with longer battery life than that. [13:49] Significantly longer, too [13:50] can anyone suggest **anything** that might improve flash on Ubuntu? [13:50] Performance has always been worse on Ubuntu for me (on multiple devices/machines) than other distros - Arch Linux, Fedora, OpenSuse, Bohdi (based on Ubunut) and Mandriva all perform flash video better than Ubuntu - I used to think it was pulseaudio but it can't be as suse and fedora use that by default now. The only difference is that I usually use KDE - however Bodhi Linux is E17 and Fedora is gnome3 [13:50] fullscreen flash? [13:50] or just general flash? [13:50] yes [13:50] are you using dual head? [13:51] well both [13:51] no [13:51] yossarianuk, which 3d driver? [13:52] its odd - I have athlonX2 Desktop with Nvidia 450GTS) and a crappy netbook N150 (intel on board) - both perform worse with ubuntu than others [13:52] usually flash video starts o.k then will become totally unwatchable after a while in ubuntu [13:53] degrading over time? that's odd [13:53] not for nvidia driver [13:53] (the n150 was bascially not good enough to watch fullscreen vid at all - with Bodhi its totally fine - in fact its pretty good) [13:53] they're supposed to have fixed it now... but i've heard that before [13:53] are you using unity? [13:53] and how long is "a while" [13:54] I have noticed this for a while - its actually caused me to switch from ubuntu 11.10 -> Fedora 16 on my netbook [13:54] a while can be random [13:54] an hour? a day? a week? [13:54] (oh usually within 30 mins) [13:54] how much memory do you have? [13:55] On my Desktop 4 GB - on the netbook 1GB [13:55] But the netbook is o.k with Fedora16 (gnome3) and Bodhi (e17) [13:55] which is odd [13:55] yossarianuk: check the default flash settings in ubuntu with those of fedora [13:55] will do - they should be the same... [13:55] (i'm not at home so will double check when I get back) [13:56] I don't think its related to compiz as unity2d has similar issue [13:56] one other thing is that on ubuntu the sound sometimes has a delay . [13:56] yossarianuk: that's an assumption, if it is different on one system than it is on another then there is a reason for it, the likely reason is with the default that the different distros package the application with [13:56] hmm that sounds very related [13:57] it probably isn't flash "settings" [13:57] it only has about 3 [13:57] does anything else slow down? [13:58] not that i've noticed.... [13:58] (I know unity is more resource intensive than e17, but gnome3 should be similar) [13:58] unity-2d isn;t resource intensive [13:59] unity however is significantly more intensive than gnome-shell, at least on 11.10 [13:59] but if it happens on -2d then that isn't the problem [13:59] hi can anyone help me with software center plz? [13:59] perhaps i'll just watch fullscreen flash in other distro's until 12.04 is released - if its still an issue then i'll do a proper bug report. [14:00] i suspect a kernel issue [14:00] ubuntu makes a lot of scheduler tweaks [14:00]