[00:00] <brousch> you can do a one-off command, so i guess you could use that to pull in a settings file
[00:04] <brousch> but there's an actual command to set environment variables
[00:05] <brousch> heroku config:add SECRET_KEY=xxx
[00:34] <rick_h_> brousch: gotcha
[00:37] <brousch> also, your program starts when the upload is done, so i don't think you could fetch from S3 before that
[00:39] <greg-g> jono commented on my U1 on Debian post :)
[00:39] <greg-g> heh
[00:40] <snap-l> greg-g: When the identi.ca group hits 1,000 blocked users, I think it'll be high-time to talk about disbanding it.
[00:41] <snap-l> Though the private checkbox is interesting
[00:41] <snap-l> not sure it's entirely appropriate, though
[00:41] <snap-l> New members must be approved by admin and all posts are forced to be private.
[00:42] <greg-g> I wish there was a "public posts, but new members moderated" option
[00:42] <snap-l> Yes^1000
[00:44] <snap-l> None of my other groups get spammed like the Ubuntu Group
[00:56] <maxsilver> The fetching thing might not work so well on Heroku -- since your not supposed to write anything to disk, there wouldn't be a good place to store a downloaded file
[01:08] <rick_h_> greg-g: linky?
[01:18] <greg-g> rick_h_: http://blog.grossmeier.net/2012/02/26/ubuntuone-debian/
[01:19] <rick_h_> greg-g: got it, thanks
[01:19] <greg-g> np
[01:19] <rick_h_> kind of sad, I'd think Jono a bit beyond the normal "you have a problem, change your toolset" response
[01:21]  * greg-g nods
[01:21] <greg-g> also, why install a behemoth and pair it down to what I want when I can install what I want plus one part of the behemoth? (I need a better analogy, but you get my drift)
[01:22] <greg-g> pair? pare? pare I think
[01:23] <rick_h_> yea, understand, why I went arch for that while
[01:24] <snap-l> Well, and for the longest time if you removed ubuntu-desktop, you got a gibbering mound of shit
[01:31] <greg-g> snap-l: lol
[01:34] <snap-l> I get a little tired of the Ubuntu only stuff. Yes, I know support is tough, but it would be nice if there were some way to get Debian at the very least to run this stuff.
[01:34] <rick_h_> well I do think it's the communities to at least participate
[01:34] <snap-l> Oh, no doubt
[01:34] <snap-l> I'm not expecting Ubuntu to do all of the work
[01:35] <rick_h_> so I can't say I'm 100% surprised, but I'd fully expect the U1 team to help if someone were to start filing some bugs, patches, etc to help make the installation work better
[01:35] <snap-l> But it does seem like there's an artificially-implemented divide between the two
[01:35] <snap-l> rick_h_: Couldn't agree more.
[01:35] <rick_h_> well, just not any effort to think ahead I think
[01:36] <rick_h_> I mean, it's the bare min to get working in ubuntu
[01:36] <snap-l> Yeah, but it feels like everything in Ubuntu gets a 6 month slap-dash to get it running
[01:36] <snap-l> I'd like a little more percolation, personally
[01:36] <snap-l> U1 was rushed. Unity was rushed.
[01:37] <snap-l> I hope Pangolin gets a little more "no, you're not reay yet".
[01:37] <snap-l> s/reay/ready/
[01:38] <rick_h_> well there's nothing really new in this release
[01:38] <rick_h_> cleaned up U1, cleaned up unity, more testing infrastructure, etc
[01:38] <snap-l> Save for the DNS mucking. ;)
[01:38] <rick_h_> the reviews are going to be boring
[01:38] <rick_h_> well, honestly that's not huge when I actually looked at it
[01:39] <rick_h_> resolve.conf == 4 files or whatever
[01:39] <rick_h_> in resolve.d
[01:40] <snap-l> rick_h_: Yeah, I implement about half of it now
[01:40] <snap-l> and frankly, I think resolv.conf needs some love.
[01:40] <snap-l> Every time I connect to a network, resolv.conf gets thwacked.
[01:44] <rick_h_> yea, that's the new behavior according to that post
[02:01] <jrwren> am i just in time for meeting? or late? or did we move to weekdays?
[02:03] <rick_h_> no idea any more
[02:03] <rick_h_> I just idle and hope to hit it
[02:03] <rick_h_> snap-l: ping?
[02:04] <jrwren> 2 devs working full time can do amazing things in 6mo.
[02:05] <rick_h_> this is true, what's the new cool thing now?
[02:05]  * rick_h_ wishes he could take 6mo to just hack on bookie full time
[02:05] <jrwren> i wish i could take 6mo and give a full month to about 6 projects?
[02:05] <jrwren> and get paid nicely to do so :)
[02:05] <rick_h_> heh very true
[02:32] <jrwren> wikipedia pages aren't loading becuase of wikimedia?
[02:37] <brousch> crap there was a meeting?
[02:39] <rick_h_> brousch: well we didn't have one if there was supposed to be one
[02:42] <snap-l> Meeting is next week.
[02:42] <snap-l> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-michigan/349/detail/
[02:44] <brousch> the night after the bug jam?
[02:44] <brousch> the night of the day after the bug jam?
[02:45] <snap-l> Yes
[03:08] <jjesse> brousch, i don't know how the pictures of the train setup (posted on google+) turned out but it makes the bretton village one look like small fry
[03:09] <jjesse> its pretty amazing setup
[03:09] <brousch> jjesse: yeah, we were there least fall
[03:09] <brousch> spent at least 2.5 hours around that setup
[03:09] <jjesse> we only spent about 45 minutes but was short on time
[03:09] <brousch> my son was ready to move into that room
[03:10] <jjesse> yeah i bet so was caleb
[03:10] <jjesse> its pretty amazing
[03:10] <jjesse> i love how the trains will stop and wait at the signals for the other trains
[03:10] <brousch> george was afraid of the tree getting chopped down and the explosion
[03:11] <jjesse> i figured caleb wouldn't appreciate that so i didn't show him
[03:13] <brousch> that is an awesome place
[03:13] <brousch> we spent all day there
[03:13] <jjesse> we did too
[03:13] <brousch> the field museum is even bigger
[03:13] <jjesse> i was amazed at how less crowded than shedd's aquarium it was
[03:13] <brousch> need 3 days for just that
[03:13] <jjesse> field museum is newt saturday
[03:13] <jjesse> only have a day for each
[03:14] <jjesse> the city pass should give you multiple days :)
[03:14] <brousch> make sure to hit the dinos and the totem poles before your feet fall off
[03:14] <jjesse> will do
[03:20] <brousch> jjesse: where are you staying?
[03:20] <jjesse> river north area
[03:20] <jjesse> i'm hear for 2 weeks for work
[03:20] <jjesse> so family came w/
[03:21] <brousch> we stayed at Hotel 71, on the 30-somethingth floor. it had awesome views up the river at night
[03:21] <jjesse> nice
[03:21] <jjesse> we are at a residence inn (marriott of course ) on the 19th floor
[03:21] <brousch> george would just sit in the window looking at the lights
[03:21] <jjesse> there is a construction site right out the window that caleb has been watching
[03:21] <brousch> hah, a crane no doubt
[03:21] <jjesse> they poured a floor of concrete earlier this week
[03:21] <jjesse> yeah a crane
[03:22] <jjesse> brousch,  you are Facebook friends so yiou can see all the picturesthere
[03:23] <brousch> our hotel was in the model train city. that was cool
[03:23] <jjesse> thats cool
[03:24] <brousch> a crane outside the window might have been more entertaining than the lights
[03:24] <jjesse> that and watching them put concrete down on an entire floor
[03:24] <jjesse> so concret mixers and a conceret pumper
[03:25] <brousch> these were across the river from our hotel https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150547672081750&set=a.10150547670941750.373788.635511749&type=3&theater
[03:26] <jjesse> so we are just down the road
[03:26] <jjesse> from that hotel
[03:27] <jjesse> residence
[03:27] <jjesse> sorry that's a condo
[03:36] <brousch> oh yeah, when you come back home make sure you watch Batman: The Dark Knight
[03:36] <brousch> it's amazing all the places you recognize
[03:37] <jjesse> they filmed it here?
[03:37] <jjesse> didn't realize that
[03:40] <brousch> yeah
[11:50] <snap-l> Good morning
[12:14] <rick_h_> morning
[12:40] <rick_h_> man, it's kind of a bit intimdating replying to the all company tech mailing lists. "did I dot all my i's, cross all my t's, will someone be able to crush me."
[12:47] <brousch> like a bug!
[12:50] <brousch> I moved essentially all of our data and programs to a new server yesterday. So far nothing is broken.
[12:51] <brousch> Waiting for the hammer to drop
[12:57] <snap-l> brousch: Friday afternoon. :)
[12:57] <snap-l> That's when all server hammers drop
[13:00] <brousch> it shouldn't take all week
[13:25] <rick_h_> you never know when it'll go boom!
[13:31] <brousch> i'm not so much waiting for the server to go boom as i am for one of my users to report that i forgot to move something
[13:31] <rick_h_> heh, "to the backups!
[13:31] <rick_h_> woot, fish tank is starting to stay clear, time to buy more plants!
[13:44] <brousch> i must be missing something about reddit. the front page is full of juvenile crap. is there a secret area with the good stuff?
[13:46] <rick_h_> I created an account and just filter to only the ones I care about
[13:47] <rick_h_> and even then it can be juvenile
[13:48] <brousch> ah, they are called subreddits
[13:52] <brousch> ok, i think i figured it out
[13:52] <snap-l> Yeah, you need a reddit account
[13:52] <snap-l> otherwise it's titties and beer jokes.
[13:53] <brousch> so i need 2 reddit accounts. one for when i'm sober and one for when i'm drunk
[13:53] <snap-l> So let it be written, so let it be done.
[14:20] <rick_h_> waldo323_: ping
[14:21] <waldo323_> rick_h_, pong
[14:21] <rick_h_> hey, PC question for you. I submitted a talk and got a reply told to "edit the description to fit into the program book"
[14:21] <rick_h_> are there rules for that you know about?
[14:21] <rick_h_> and if I wanted to try to narrow down schedule time can you hook me up?
[14:21] <rick_h_> :) using my connections
[14:22] <snap-l> Funny that. I sent Krunal a note about doing a podcast presentation again, but haven't heard back from him
[14:22] <rick_h_> well I filled out the online form and heard from him on the 25th
[14:25] <waldo323_> huh, not sure what he wanted changed for the program book I can find out though
[14:26] <rick_h_> waldo323_: he mentions:  (toss
[14:26] <rick_h_> it into 3rd person, add more detail, etc.)
[14:26] <rick_h_> but I can't find any docs on length/size, does it need a bio, etc
[14:26] <rick_h_> I guess are there other examples somewhere I can peek at and compare against?
[14:26] <snap-l> rick_h_: Assume whatever you type will be in the probram book
[14:26] <waldo323_> and if you have time requirements shoot them to me and also programming at penguicon.org
[14:26] <rick_h_> k thanks.
[14:27] <rick_h_> Ok, well I'll wing it then, I just wondered if I was blind/missing the program requirements somewhere
[14:27] <snap-l> I have a feeling they're sitting in the program book author's head. :)
[14:27] <waldo323_> i'll find out and if there are i'll try to make sure they get more visibility
[14:28] <snap-l> Wow, the wiki is severely out of date.
[14:28] <snap-l> http://www.penguicon.info/doku.php/programbook
[14:28] <waldo323_> parts of it
[14:28] <waldo323_> oh
[14:28] <waldo323_> i thought you ment in general
[14:28] <snap-l> Nah, it's a wiki
[14:28] <snap-l> certain parts will get more love than others
[14:29] <snap-l> I can cope with that. :)
[14:29] <rick_h_> ah ok, that's cool for an example of length of things
[14:29] <rick_h_> thanks snap-l
[14:29] <waldo323_> i will see if matt will update it or tell me what he want there so i can update it
[14:30] <rick_h_> waldo323_: ok thanks. SOrry for me being lazy and punting to you :)
[14:30] <waldo323_> :)
[14:30] <waldo323_> quite alright
[14:31] <snap-l> I think wiki actually means "dated information" in it's mother tongue.
[14:31] <waldo323_> and thanks snap-l for the info :)
[14:31] <waldo323_> heh
[14:31] <waldo323_> lots of it has actually been updated recently....i get email updates about them
[14:32] <snap-l> Wow, just had a black-out
[14:33] <snap-l> home internet went poof for a bit
[14:33] <waldo323_> hands snap-l some water
[14:33] <rick_h_> ouch
[14:33] <snap-l> It's been known to do that on occasion
[14:33] <snap-l> Usually 30-60 seconds until the modem reconnects
[14:44] <waldo323_> rick_h_, req for info sent
[14:45] <rick_h_> waldo323_: thank, appreciate it
[14:45] <rick_h_> where's krondor, I submitted my talk, now he needs to do his :P
[14:45] <waldo323_> you're welcome
[14:49] <jrwren> brousch: what city were you and jjesse talking about?
[14:55] <brousch> jrwren: chicago
[14:56] <jrwren> but he was comparing osmething to shed.
[14:56] <jrwren> where did he go that wasn't shed?
[14:56] <brousch> museum of science and industry
[14:56] <jrwren> oh, now I see it. field museum?
[14:56] <brousch> i think he's hitting field museum today or tomorrow
[14:57] <jrwren> ah, well I need to go to those places :)
[14:57] <brousch> you've not been to any?
[14:57] <jrwren> only shed.
[14:57] <jrwren> and some art museum, i dont' recall which
[14:57] <brousch> they are awesome, huge
[15:05] <rick_h_> crap, I can't lose this much time right now http://vimbits.com/
[15:33] <rick_h_> krondor: submitted my talk, where's yours :P
[15:43] <jcastro> rick_h_: are you entering bookie in the charm contest?
[15:43] <rick_h_> jcastro: might try, but I'm working on getting our 0.4 release out first.
[15:44] <rick_h_> but honestly, I won't meet many of the 'points' conditions like using other charms/etc
[15:44] <rick_h_> so not high up there
[15:44] <rick_h_> however I htink at the sprint we found the new makefile magic does make it possible for the first time
[15:44] <rick_h_> so closer
[15:44] <jcastro> well, even if it's not too sexy, just having it in there would be <3
[15:45] <rick_h_> yea, I might give it a go at pycon if I get some time during sprints there
[15:45] <rick_h_> and we should have 0.4 out before or during that time
[15:46] <jcastro> is there other codereview things out there?
[15:46] <jcastro> or is reviewboard still the ninja one?
[15:46] <rick_h_> there's reviewboard and reitveild (app engine)
[15:46] <rick_h_> so reviewboard would be the hotness to get going
[15:46] <rick_h_> django based and all
[15:47] <rick_h_> they just had a release hit today as well
[15:47] <jcastro> yeah I put it on my blog
[15:47] <rick_h_> there's also gerrit
[15:47] <jcastro> I am thinking of things you would want to set up if you had your own company
[15:47] <rick_h_> but that's so so, you either love/hate it. Java based I think and used in android
[15:47] <jcastro> I don't care what it takes to run them, I don't need to pay for the instances. :)
[15:49] <rick_h_> yea, jenkins, reviewboard, gitolite
[15:53] <rick_h_> jcastro: redmine, trac maybe
[15:53] <jcastro> got those 2 already
[15:53] <rick_h_> big ones I can think off of the top of my head
[15:53] <rick_h_> maybe some sort of project mgt, but can't think of one I've used I'd want to use again :)
[15:53] <rick_h_> too much stuff is cloud, trello, google docs, etc
[15:54] <jcastro> yeah
[15:54] <jcastro> trello is great\
[15:55] <rick_h_> yea, working well for bookie todo so far
[15:55] <rick_h_> not really turning useful for my own todo, but meh
[17:23] <greg-g> jcastro: civicrm, openERP
[17:24] <greg-g> jcastro: Launchpad (lolz)
[17:24] <jcastro> launchpad is in progress
[17:24] <greg-g> no kidding?
[17:24] <greg-g> wow
[17:25] <greg-g> from my (limited) understanding, that is a beast to set up
[17:25] <jcastro> that's why they are charming it
[17:25] <greg-g> fair
[17:25] <greg-g> do the hard work once
[17:26] <jcastro> indeed
[17:26] <snap-l> Steps to install launchpad:
[17:26] <jcastro> parts of it are in there already
[17:26] <snap-l> 1) Format target machine
[17:26] <snap-l> 2) DO stuff
[17:26] <snap-l> 3) Profit
[17:27] <jcastro> civicrm looks nice
[17:27] <jcastro> (bugs files for both of those)
[17:27] <snap-l> That was one thing that cracked me up when people complained that SF.net wasn't OSS.
[17:28] <snap-l> It wasn't like most of that code made any sense outside of the sf.net datacenter.
[17:29] <jcastro> yeah, making that stuff generalized is hard
[17:29] <snap-l> That's also the nice part about Allura: it's designed with the outside world in mind
[17:29] <snap-l> (Allura being sf.net 2.0)
[17:40] <krondor> redmine can do project mgmt to an extent... not that I am fan of any project mgmt stuff really
[17:41] <snap-l> Most of what I've seen for project management is either way too heavy, or way too cumbersome to move quickly.
[17:41] <snap-l> At which point keeping things updated becomes an event in itself.
[17:42] <krondor> when I heard project mgmt I think of gantt charts and people being called resources (slightly offensive) and then my eyes glaze over.
[17:42] <krondor> I think corporate IT has conditioned me into hating it though (negative feedback loop with tasks/nagging pms/etc...).
[17:42] <snap-l> My favorite is "What percent would you say we're done?"
[17:43] <snap-l> "I dunno, what percentace is NFC?"
[17:43]  * snap-l aliases NFC to NaN
[17:43] <greg-g> :)
[17:44] <snap-l> And then, because the report is more about pleasing the teacher than actually showing work, all of the milestones and percentages are completely off
[17:44] <snap-l> which then gets set in stone, and becomes the rod for which to spank the unruly developers.
[17:49] <krondor> snap-l: ++
[17:50] <snap-l> My other favorite is when the process becomes mroe important than actually doing the work, but that's another rant for another time.
[17:51] <krondor> greg-g:  ooh civicrm looks neat. I have a nonprofit that might realy like this.
[17:52] <greg-g> krondor: cool!
[17:52] <greg-g> krondor: we use it at CC
[17:56] <snap-l> Hmmm... wonder if MUG could use this.
[18:12] <greg-g> uh oh, now all the MUG emails will have &utmsource= junk in them for click tracking :)
[18:49] <snap-l> Nah, those are separate
[18:50] <snap-l> but we've been looking for a self-service way to get folks to pay dues.
[18:50] <snap-l> currently we send out paper invoices
[18:50] <snap-l> http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/intro.cws_home/newmessagerwa <- greg-g
[18:52] <greg-g> snap-l: yeah, haven't finished reading it, but, they finally figured it won't look good for them to keep pushing it due to the HUGE amount of outcry, which was awesome
[18:52] <snap-l> Wonder if this means they'll also drop SOPA support as well
[18:53] <snap-l> While we continue to oppose government mandates in this area, Elsevier is withdrawing support for the Research Work Act itself. We hope this will address some of the concerns expressed and help create a less heated and more productive climate for our ongoing discussions with research funders.
[18:53] <snap-l> That's doublespeak
[18:55] <waldo323_> greg-g, do you use the CiviEvent portion of civicrm at CC?
[18:57] <greg-g> waldo323_: don't *think* so. I actually don't interact with CiviCRM at all, it is mostly for "development" work (the OTHER kind of development :) )
[18:57] <greg-g> snap-l: you got it! :)
[18:57] <waldo323_> :) ok    i have been looking for conference scheduling software for a while so civievent caught my eye
[18:57] <greg-g> ahh, gotcha
[18:58] <greg-g> yeah, sorry, can't help ya :)
[18:58] <brousch> waldo323_: pycon uses some opensource thing
[18:58] <brousch> looks like pinax maybe
[18:59] <waldo323_> open source would be my first choice :)
[19:00] <brousch> ok, looks like they cobble something together from pinax and django apps
[19:01] <brousch> https://github.com/eldarion/pycon
[19:01] <waldo323_> perhaps their code is avail....you beat me to it
[19:02] <rick_h_> yea, it's custom python code
[19:02] <rick_h_> they love to say how 'patches welcome'
[19:02] <brousch> i think pyohio uses that too
[19:06] <rick_h_> yea, they started using it last year
[19:07] <snap-l> greg-g: I still hope the researchers route around Elseveir. We've figured out they're useless anyway, so best to sweep away the cruft.
[19:10] <greg-g> snap-l: word, I think this time around the noise level got too high for some (not a critical mass yet, though) to not go back
[19:45] <rick_h_> lmorchard: ping
[19:46] <lmorchard> rick_h_: Heya
[19:46] <rick_h_> lmorchard: hey, speaking of bookmark stuff. Blazeix and _stink_ started hacking on a firefox plugin for bookie
[19:46] <rick_h_> do you know if anyone has super secret debugging tips/tools for getting firebug into content scripts/etc?
[19:47] <rick_h_> I know Blazeix was breaking down adn trying to do some sort of http proxy to check the requests going out and such before he could only get console.log access to the lower level content bits of the sdk based add-ons
[19:47] <lmorchard> Hmm… its been awhile since I played with the new addon stuff, I thought firebug could see into it
[19:47] <rick_h_> it seemed like it would only get the main.js or something and not the other content in the extension
[19:47] <lmorchard> best bet might be something like hanging out on irc://irc.mozilla.org#addons and asking
[19:47] <rick_h_> ok, cool. thanks
[19:48] <lmorchard> I seem to remember hearing the new built-in web dev tools can help
[19:48] <lmorchard> There's also a test runner that fires up Firefox with the addon and sends console output to the shell where you launch the browser
[19:48] <lmorchard> I think my knowledge is like 8 months old though :/
[19:48] <rick_h_> yea, just got to be where really a full dev toolset (debugger/etc) would be most awesome
[19:49] <rick_h_> yea, that's the fun. There's a few different ways and links out there for old things, new things, deprecated things
[19:49] <rick_h_> I was curious if there was a great 'latest/greatest' to try to stick with. We're trying hard to get the chrome-like dev experience going in FF for porting the extension
[19:49] <rick_h_> much much closer, but still some pain points
[19:50] <rick_h_> but cool, I'll try to get with Blazeix at CHC wed and find someone to bug in irc :)
[19:50] <lmorchard> Actually, maybe the #jetpack channel is better on irc.mozilla.org
[19:51] <rick_h_> ok
[19:51] <lmorchard> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Jetpack is the codename of the project at any rate
[19:51] <rick_h_> yea, but some stuff I found on that said it was deprecated so we've tried to stick inside the add-on sdk part of the wiki/docs
[19:51] <rick_h_> I know it was more a 'rename' than deprecated, but cool
[19:53] <lmorchard> Looks like latest-and-greatest is https://github.com/mozilla/addon-sdk
[19:53] <lmorchard> I should really circle back and play with it some more
[19:53] <rick_h_> yea, the code we're using pulls the latest tarball to populate the extension dev
[19:53] <rick_h_> https://github.com/mitechie/bookie-firefox
[19:53] <rick_h_> good reason to come out to CHC :)
[19:53] <lmorchard> I remember it being not too painful when I built my RSS reader addon, which holy crap was over a year ago http://decafbad.com/blog/2011/01/27/introducing-fireriver-a-river-of-news-for-firefox-4
[19:54] <lmorchard> me? get out of the house? *gasp*
[19:54] <rick_h_> yea, I'm part proxy. I've not tried to debug the issues they've hit yet so don't know the exact details for the stuff they were hitting
[19:55] <rick_h_> lmorchard: yea, you made it out once. We've got the secret coder room for the rest of the year now
[19:55] <rick_h_> long 3hr edition is this wed
[19:55] <lmorchard> Maybe I'll put on the space suit and get out there
[19:55] <rick_h_> I hear the plague isn't sched to hit until the fall :P
[19:58] <snap-l> lmorchard: That's OK. If we all cough on you at the same time, it'll keep you innoculated throughout the year.
[19:59] <snap-l> I'll also bring some flu-covered blankets.
[19:59] <lmorchard> My last big immune assault was back in like September for the mozilla all-hands. I got exposed to international diseases there!
[20:02] <snap-l> Well, we can keep you current on all of the local ones.
[20:03] <snap-l> rick_h_: Seen todays daily dose of stupid people are stupid? http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/q80cx/unit_testing_is_for_lazy_people/
[20:05] <snap-l> Not the article itself, but the first set of comments re: static typing
[23:31] <snap-l> We got our SWAG box
[23:51] <rick_h_> woot