[00:54] <mikodo> Question about using the Xubuntu Alternate installer (d-i) and choosing either the default install which gives one http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric-updates/xubuntu-desktop and choosing to install the Xfce meta-package: http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/xfce4 Will both work and be usable for a relative Noob? What is the difference between the two? I have only use Ubuntu with Gnome 2 before, and now want to go to the most pristine Xfc
[00:54] <mikodo> e, DE as I can manage, and still be not without a fair amount of "hand-holding by Xubuntu. I suppose I can then install all the other apps and dependencies, as I see fit, by going with the "Xfce meta-package install"
[05:14] <mikodo> Quiet channel.. G'nite
[08:11]  * jarnos thinks automatic security updates don't work in 11.04: red icon of update-notifier is visible.
[08:13] <jarnos> Is there some delay after automatic updates are started to be downloaded and installed after the red icon appears, or what is wrong?
[08:36] <jarnos> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/668077
[09:33] <Jan_-> hello, today when I tried to log in it just flashed black page with text and went back into the login screen
[09:34] <Jan_-> i solved it by deleting the old account and creating a new one, now the problem is that I saved the settings of the old account but the folder is encrypted and i dont know how to get the data back as it says i have restricted rights, i do have the text that i got when i encrypted it and the password that i used that account with, what kind of commands i need to know to access the folder?
[09:58] <nicofs> Somehow my window decorations crash on a regular basis... they look distorted an i can't activate any buttons on them or drag the window... any ideas?
[09:59] <nicofs> i deactivated composing and any other fancy stuff...
[10:14] <nikolam> Why "http" process locked both synaptic and update manager from updating and downloading updates (i suppose) for himself?
[10:15] <nikolam> I guess he wants to do update (automatic installing of security updates is on)
[10:15] <nikolam> But why user must lost control over update process during that time?
[10:17] <nikolam> and now, Every application that tries to list root dir ("/") freezes.
[10:17] <nikolam> eather it is xfce file manager, thunar, pcmanfm or simple "ls" command
[10:18] <TheSheep> nikolam: you can only have one installation process going at a time, otherwise you would get conflicts, for example if one process is installing someting that depends on a package that is being uninstalled by something else
[10:19] <TheSheep> nikolam: freezing on access to / sounds like a hardware problem with the disk
[10:19] <TheSheep> nikolam: does dmesg show any disk-related errors?
[10:20] <nikolam> guess update I have not started the process, it started itself and I can not control it.
[10:21] <nikolam> no disk errors except "resume from disk failed" form some days ago, that I presume is regular for ubuntu 10.04 after updates
[10:21] <nikolam> ok, will restart it, since i killed http process and apt is now <defunct>
[10:22] <nikolam> oh, no, http is back again on dowloading.. better kill net connection
[10:23] <nikolam> Seems like feature bug for unattended-update to me.
[12:00] <xsl> hello all... wen i create a new user and he loggs for the first time .. there are several folders created with reference on ~/config/user.dirs.dirs  - How do i change the folders that are created? Where is that defined ?
[12:26] <Yancho_> guys, i am installing xubuntu. after setting my keyboard layout etc, i clicked finish and now am in the Thank you screen. however the only button i have is skip. and the last msg is: ubuntu dbus[1160]: [system[ successfully activated service 'rg.freedesktop.UPower' - ad that was a msg of almost 2 hrs ago.
[12:30] <Os_Maleus> how about a restart of the machine?
[12:32] <Yancho_> cheers Os_Maleus  - was just afraid to do it in case it borkes the installation .. am now in my xubuntu
[12:34] <Os_Maleus> and if? ... if You are waiting more than two hours for Linux, then it is obviously hanging pretty high. ... considering that it happens during the installation.
[14:43] <allu2> is it a known bug that xscreensaver doesn't support scandinavic marks in password?
[14:51] <GridCube> allu2, probably: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xscreensaver/+bug/793344
[14:51] <GridCube> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xscreensaver/+bug/828682
[14:55] <lol123> Hallo
[16:29] <xsl> is it possible to define a panel to bottom instead of a x= y= positioning?
[16:38] <tsunami_> hi there!
[16:39] <tsunami_> I have a problem with my xubuntu
[16:39] <tsunami_> everything was ok until today
[16:39] <tsunami_> I think it has something to do with xfce
[16:40] <tsunami_> all my windows lack the minimize, maximyze, close buttons
[16:40] <tsunami_> all of them open in the top left corner
[16:40] <GridCube> tsunami_, press alt-f2 and write >xfwm4 --replace
[16:40] <tsunami_> and they do not resize
[16:42] <tsunami_> :)))))
[16:42] <baizon> tsunami_: yes it is a xfce bug
[16:42] <tsunami_> thank you very much!
[16:43] <tsunami_> do you know when or why it happens ?
[16:43] <GridCube> it happens because for some reason xfwm4 crashes
[16:43] <GridCube> probably after playing with compiz or other wm
[16:45] <tsunami_> and this replace command.... it just restarts xfwm?
[16:48] <GridCube> basically, it replaces any other wm running at the moment, if there is non then it just restart it
[16:49] <tsunami_> thank you very much for your help
[16:50] <tsunami_> one other thing... is there any chance I can spread a window through several workspaces?
[16:51] <GridCube> no idea
[16:51] <TheSheep> no
[16:51] <TheSheep> workspaces are separate
[16:51] <TheSheep> not like the fake workspaces of compiz
[16:51] <TheSheep> which are just one large desktop
[16:52] <tsunami_> hummm interesting...
[16:57] <tsunami_> I would like to try compiz but not to screw my xubuntu. is it possible to add it as an option windos manager in the login?
[17:00] <tsunami_> other question... is xubuntu 64bit compatible? I do not have a lib/64 directory
[17:02] <tsunami_> usr/lib64 i mean
[17:02] <magerquark> there is a 64.bit version
[17:02] <magerquark> so it depends on the version you have installed
[17:03] <tsunami_> I only found 64bit for amd
[17:03] <magerquark> the architecture is called amd64, actually it is also für intel cpus
[17:03] <magerquark> the amd64 version is for all x86-compatible cpus
[17:04] <tsunami_> so it means that I have a 32bit installed on a 64bit machine... bad luck...
[17:04] <magerquark> do you have more than 4 GB RAM?
[17:05] <tsunami_> does this also mean that I will have to reinstall the 64bit version?
[17:05] <tsunami_> I will check that now magerquark
[17:05] <magerquark> tsunami, the 32bit version is perfectly fine for most of all users
[17:06] <magerquark> you dont have to reinstall a new version
[17:06] <magerquark> there are rare use-cases where the 64bit-version is necessary
[17:06] <magerquark> but you can if you want to reinstall it
[17:09] <tsunami_> the system tells me I have 8 gigs memory
[17:09] <tsunami_> cat /proc/meminfo tells me that
[17:09] <tsunami_> MemTotal:        8166220 kB
[17:10] <tsunami_> does this means it is a 64bit installation?
[17:10] <magerquark> wich .iso did you download?
[17:10] <tsunami_> and thank you for the info magerquark
[17:19] <tsunami_> Origin: Ubuntu
[17:19] <tsunami_> Label: Ubuntu Suite: oneiric Version: 11.10 Codename: oneiric Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:15:52 UTC Architectures: i386 Components: main restricted universe multiverse Description: Ubuntu Oneiric 11.10
[17:20] <tsunami_> dont know why but now I cannot open the partition where I have the image
[17:21] <tsunami_> do not have permissions to write on the windows partition and on usb external discs
[17:21] <tsunami_> which is a pain
[17:21] <xsl> i have a problem with the lower panel ( its configured for x= and y= ) is there an option to configure it to "bottom" instead of coordinates?
[17:22] <tsunami_> i opened thunar with root access but it says there is no trash directory when i try to delete something...
[17:22] <tsunami_> any suggestions?
[17:39] <tsunami_> strange thing... a cannot see what I have on another partition (a 60gig extf4) but if I ask qBittorrent to open destination folder (that Im using for downloads on this other partition) it opens the directory but I cant see anything else but that directory and I can only see the directories, not the files... any suggestion?
[17:40] <tsunami_> strange behavior xubuntu has today..
[17:56] <tsunami_>  strange thing... a cannot see what I have on another partition (a 60gig) but if I ask qBittorrent to open destination folder (that Im using for downloads on this other partition) it opens the directory but I cant see anything else but that directory and I can only see the directories, not the files... any suggestion? strange behavior ubuntu has today..
[18:26] <Os_Maleus> hey together! is it possible to have a parallel installed windows next to xubuntu and let the same windows run in a virtual machine under xubuntu?
[18:28] <baizon> Os_Maleus: no
[18:28] <baizon> driver are differenz
[18:28] <baizon> different
[18:28] <baizon> windows would crash
[18:28] <baizon> and the licence key wouldnt be vaild
[18:28] <Os_Maleus> but I can let run windows in a virtual machine. can't I?
[18:29] <baizon> yes you can
[18:29] <baizon> but running windows in a vm and at the same time native isnt possible
[18:29] <Os_Maleus> so, I would need to perform the whole installation from the basics for that?
[18:30] <baizon> yes
[18:31] <Os_Maleus> thanks, baizon!
[18:31] <baizon> np
[20:07] <mic_> hello
[20:18] <mic_> I have some problems setting up my dual monitors with xrandr and ati drivers
[20:19] <baizon> mic_: yes, and the problem is?
[20:21] <mic_> xrandr tells me "xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1600x1600",  of course I've looked it up, and the solution for most people was to at the line 'Virtual x y' (where x and y being the size for the virtual desktop) in their xorg.conf, this didn't fix the problem for me though..
[20:22] <mic_> add*
[20:22] <baizon> mic_: what drivers?
[20:23] <baizon> for me it didnt workd either
[20:25] <mic_> gotten of amd site: amd-driver-installer-12-1-x86.x86_64.run
[20:26] <tsunami_> my xubuntu is collapsing I dont know why as I did not messed around, first it was xfwm4 that started going crazy, I did xfwm4 --replace and it was ok. BUT after that I cant access other partitions on my hard disk and my keyboard is completely dis-configured... It is just colapsing.         Anybody has a suggestion or should I just reinstall ubuntu again?
[20:26] <mic_> I'm guessing that those do have something to do with it -  before I installed them, it was no problem to extend the desktop (though I did this in xubuntu -> settings editor)
[20:36] <baizon> mic_: you cant use the proprietary drivers and xrandr
[20:37] <baizon> mic_: you can use the open source ati drivers, or if you want to use the current one you have to use xinerama
[20:39] <baizon> tsunami_: you can try to delete the .cache for xfce
[20:39] <baizon> it helps ofen for me
[20:40] <mic_> But, I can, I mean, xrandr works fine, except for that 1600x1600 desktop limitation. But I wish amdcccle wasn't so buggy: it just doesn't do anything. I'll look into xinerama and otherwise I'll go back to the open source drivers.
[20:40] <baizon> im using the proprietary one and have to use xinerama for dual-screen
[20:41] <baizon> xrandr doesnt work with ati
[20:46] <mic_> okay quick question: 'you must restart your computer', can I just log out and back in? lol.
[20:46] <tsunami_> baizon, it said invalid filename when I try to delete .cache...... funny
[20:46] <baizon> .cache folder :P
[20:52] <baizon> ^^
[20:57] <mic_> baizon: Thank you for setting me onto xinerama. I thought I had bad memories about this, but everything is working fine :)
[20:57] <tsunami_> I have a .cache folder with lots of folders there do you whant me to delete them all?
[20:58] <baizon> mic_: good to hear
[20:58] <tsunami_> baizon, I have a .cache folder with lots of folders there do you whant me to delete them all?
[20:58] <baizon> tsunami_: no
[20:59] <baizon> tsunami_: ~/.cache/sessions
[21:03] <tsunami_> ah ok shoul I delete all tose txt files?
[21:03] <baizon> yes
[21:03] <baizon> and restart X server
[21:04] <mic_> baizon: I just noticed the resolution on my right monitor isn't quite right. (I thought I'd fix that by turning xinerama off, change resolution, turn on; description in amdcccle made me think so) but I think the new resolution didn't stay when going into xinerama
[21:04] <baizon> mic_: try... sudo aticonfig --initial=dual-head --screen-layout=right
[21:04] <baizon> aticonfig --overlay-on=1
[21:04] <baizon> Restart X Server.
[21:04] <baizon> aticonfig --xinerama=on
[21:05] <mic_> alright
[21:08] <mic_> baizon: no change
[21:09] <baizon> aticonfig --resolution=0,1680x1050
[21:09] <baizon> aticonfig --resolution=1,1680x1050
[21:09] <baizon> and try to change the resolution
[21:09] <baizon> for your screen
[21:10] <tsunami_> baizon, all is the same, cant access partitions
[21:10] <baizon> tsunami_: are they detected?
[21:10] <baizon> fdisk -l
[21:11] <mic_> baizon: errir at set screeb resolution : screen1 does not exist
[21:11] <mic_> error*
[21:12] <mic_> (for --resolution=1)
[21:16] <tsunami_> baizon, http://pastebin.com/9AJAGjgn
[21:17] <tsunami_> baizon, yes they seem to be detected
[21:18] <baizon> whats the error msg?
[21:18] <baizon> is it mounted?
[21:18] <baizon> mic_: google ;)
[21:19] <tsunami_> they say to be mounted but there is nothing there when I go there /media/xxxx
[21:21] <tsunami_> I think it might be something to do with fstab but I cant fix it
[21:22] <tsunami_> baizon, can you have a look here?  http://pastebin.com/45cegSGR
[21:25] <baizon> tsunami_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab
[21:25] <baizon> :)
[21:29] <tsunami_> do you think is the fstab, I am afraid of braking it
[21:30] <tsunami_> baison, do you think something is wrong in the fstab ?
[21:30] <spanner3003> how do i stop the gui in xubuntu?
[21:31] <spanner3003> from within tty1
[21:32] <tsunami_> it seams that https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab is down
[21:32] <tsunami_> and this one too https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Autofs
[21:32] <baizon> spanner3003: what version?
[21:32] <spanner3003> 11.10
[21:33] <tsunami_> up again! :)
[21:33] <spanner3003> baizon,
[21:34] <baizon> spanner3003: http://www.uptechtalk.com/?p=162
[21:35] <baizon> first link that google search gave me :P
[21:37] <spanner3003> can i do the with sudo /etc/init.d/lightdm stop?
[21:38] <baizon> spanner3003: but it will start at next boot
[21:38] <baizon> so it is pointless
[21:39] <spanner3003> not if your build and it's on all the time
[21:39] <spanner3003> thank you :D
[21:39] <baizon> ok
[21:39] <baizon> np
[21:46] <andythenoob> hi all, does anyone know a good place on the web to understand the dmesg output properly please?
[21:48] <baizon> andythenoob: http://linuxgazette.net/issue59/nazario.html
[21:49] <andythenoob> perfect, many thanks!