[00:54] Question about using the Xubuntu Alternate installer (d-i) and choosing either the default install which gives one http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric-updates/xubuntu-desktop and choosing to install the Xfce meta-package: http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/xfce4 Will both work and be usable for a relative Noob? What is the difference between the two? I have only use Ubuntu with Gnome 2 before, and now want to go to the most pristine Xfc [00:54] e, DE as I can manage, and still be not without a fair amount of "hand-holding by Xubuntu. I suppose I can then install all the other apps and dependencies, as I see fit, by going with the "Xfce meta-package install" === `mOOse` is now known as m00se === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [05:14] Quiet channel.. G'nite [08:11] * jarnos thinks automatic security updates don't work in 11.04: red icon of update-notifier is visible. [08:13] Is there some delay after automatic updates are started to be downloaded and installed after the red icon appears, or what is wrong? [08:36] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/668077 [08:36] Launchpad bug 668077 in software-properties (Ubuntu) "Important security updates are not automatically installed" [Undecided,Confirmed] [09:33] hello, today when I tried to log in it just flashed black page with text and went back into the login screen [09:34] i solved it by deleting the old account and creating a new one, now the problem is that I saved the settings of the old account but the folder is encrypted and i dont know how to get the data back as it says i have restricted rights, i do have the text that i got when i encrypted it and the password that i used that account with, what kind of commands i need to know to access the folder? [09:58] Somehow my window decorations crash on a regular basis... they look distorted an i can't activate any buttons on them or drag the window... any ideas? [09:59] i deactivated composing and any other fancy stuff... [10:14] Why "http" process locked both synaptic and update manager from updating and downloading updates (i suppose) for himself? [10:15] I guess he wants to do update (automatic installing of security updates is on) [10:15] But why user must lost control over update process during that time? [10:17] and now, Every application that tries to list root dir ("/") freezes. [10:17] eather it is xfce file manager, thunar, pcmanfm or simple "ls" command [10:18] nikolam: you can only have one installation process going at a time, otherwise you would get conflicts, for example if one process is installing someting that depends on a package that is being uninstalled by something else [10:19] nikolam: freezing on access to / sounds like a hardware problem with the disk [10:19] nikolam: does dmesg show any disk-related errors? [10:20] guess update I have not started the process, it started itself and I can not control it. [10:21] no disk errors except "resume from disk failed" form some days ago, that I presume is regular for ubuntu 10.04 after updates [10:21] ok, will restart it, since i killed http process and apt is now [10:22] oh, no, http is back again on dowloading.. better kill net connection [10:23] Seems like feature bug for unattended-update to me. === Per4u32 is now known as Per4u3e [12:00] hello all... wen i create a new user and he loggs for the first time .. there are several folders created with reference on ~/config/user.dirs.dirs - How do i change the folders that are created? Where is that defined ? [12:26] guys, i am installing xubuntu. after setting my keyboard layout etc, i clicked finish and now am in the Thank you screen. however the only button i have is skip. and the last msg is: ubuntu dbus[1160]: [system[ successfully activated service 'rg.freedesktop.UPower' - ad that was a msg of almost 2 hrs ago. [12:30] how about a restart of the machine? [12:32] cheers Os_Maleus - was just afraid to do it in case it borkes the installation .. am now in my xubuntu [12:34] and if? ... if You are waiting more than two hours for Linux, then it is obviously hanging pretty high. ... considering that it happens during the installation. [14:43] is it a known bug that xscreensaver doesn't support scandinavic marks in password? [14:51] allu2, probably: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xscreensaver/+bug/793344 [14:51] Launchpad bug 793344 in xscreensaver (Ubuntu) "Xscreensaver lock box is having problem with special characters (display)" [Undecided,New] [14:51] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xscreensaver/+bug/828682 [14:51] Launchpad bug 828682 in xscreensaver (Ubuntu) "In xubuntu, Xscreensaver login does not recognize the password with ascii characters" [Medium,Fix released] === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [14:55] Hallo [16:29] is it possible to define a panel to bottom instead of a x= y= positioning? [16:38] hi there! [16:39] I have a problem with my xubuntu [16:39] everything was ok until today [16:39] I think it has something to do with xfce [16:40] all my windows lack the minimize, maximyze, close buttons [16:40] all of them open in the top left corner [16:40] tsunami_, press alt-f2 and write >xfwm4 --replace [16:40] and they do not resize [16:42] :))))) [16:42] tsunami_: yes it is a xfce bug [16:42] thank you very much! [16:43] do you know when or why it happens ? [16:43] it happens because for some reason xfwm4 crashes [16:43] probably after playing with compiz or other wm [16:45] and this replace command.... it just restarts xfwm? [16:48] basically, it replaces any other wm running at the moment, if there is non then it just restart it [16:49] thank you very much for your help [16:50] one other thing... is there any chance I can spread a window through several workspaces? [16:51] no idea [16:51] no [16:51] workspaces are separate [16:51] not like the fake workspaces of compiz [16:51] which are just one large desktop [16:52] hummm interesting... [16:57] I would like to try compiz but not to screw my xubuntu. is it possible to add it as an option windos manager in the login? [17:00] other question... is xubuntu 64bit compatible? I do not have a lib/64 directory [17:02] usr/lib64 i mean [17:02] there is a 64.bit version [17:02] so it depends on the version you have installed [17:03] I only found 64bit for amd [17:03] the architecture is called amd64, actually it is also für intel cpus [17:03] the amd64 version is for all x86-compatible cpus [17:04] so it means that I have a 32bit installed on a 64bit machine... bad luck... [17:04] do you have more than 4 GB RAM? [17:05] does this also mean that I will have to reinstall the 64bit version? [17:05] I will check that now magerquark [17:05] tsunami, the 32bit version is perfectly fine for most of all users [17:06] you dont have to reinstall a new version [17:06] there are rare use-cases where the 64bit-version is necessary [17:06] but you can if you want to reinstall it [17:09] the system tells me I have 8 gigs memory [17:09] cat /proc/meminfo tells me that [17:09] MemTotal: 8166220 kB [17:10] does this means it is a 64bit installation? [17:10] wich .iso did you download? [17:10] and thank you for the info magerquark [17:19] Origin: Ubuntu [17:19] Label: Ubuntu Suite: oneiric Version: 11.10 Codename: oneiric Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:15:52 UTC Architectures: i386 Components: main restricted universe multiverse Description: Ubuntu Oneiric 11.10 [17:20] dont know why but now I cannot open the partition where I have the image [17:21] do not have permissions to write on the windows partition and on usb external discs [17:21] which is a pain [17:21] i have a problem with the lower panel ( its configured for x= and y= ) is there an option to configure it to "bottom" instead of coordinates? [17:22] i opened thunar with root access but it says there is no trash directory when i try to delete something... [17:22] any suggestions? [17:39] strange thing... a cannot see what I have on another partition (a 60gig extf4) but if I ask qBittorrent to open destination folder (that Im using for downloads on this other partition) it opens the directory but I cant see anything else but that directory and I can only see the directories, not the files... any suggestion? [17:40] strange behavior xubuntu has today.. [17:56] strange thing... a cannot see what I have on another partition (a 60gig) but if I ask qBittorrent to open destination folder (that Im using for downloads on this other partition) it opens the directory but I cant see anything else but that directory and I can only see the directories, not the files... any suggestion? strange behavior ubuntu has today.. [18:26] hey together! is it possible to have a parallel installed windows next to xubuntu and let the same windows run in a virtual machine under xubuntu? [18:28] Os_Maleus: no [18:28] driver are differenz [18:28] different [18:28] windows would crash [18:28] and the licence key wouldnt be vaild [18:28] but I can let run windows in a virtual machine. can't I? [18:29] yes you can [18:29] but running windows in a vm and at the same time native isnt possible [18:29] so, I would need to perform the whole installation from the basics for that? [18:30] yes [18:31] thanks, baizon! [18:31] np [20:07] hello [20:18] I have some problems setting up my dual monitors with xrandr and ati drivers [20:19] mic_: yes, and the problem is? [20:21] xrandr tells me "xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1600x1600", of course I've looked it up, and the solution for most people was to at the line 'Virtual x y' (where x and y being the size for the virtual desktop) in their xorg.conf, this didn't fix the problem for me though.. [20:22] add* [20:22] mic_: what drivers? [20:23] for me it didnt workd either [20:25] gotten of amd site: amd-driver-installer-12-1-x86.x86_64.run [20:26] my xubuntu is collapsing I dont know why as I did not messed around, first it was xfwm4 that started going crazy, I did xfwm4 --replace and it was ok. BUT after that I cant access other partitions on my hard disk and my keyboard is completely dis-configured... It is just colapsing. Anybody has a suggestion or should I just reinstall ubuntu again? [20:26] I'm guessing that those do have something to do with it - before I installed them, it was no problem to extend the desktop (though I did this in xubuntu -> settings editor) [20:36] mic_: you cant use the proprietary drivers and xrandr [20:37] mic_: you can use the open source ati drivers, or if you want to use the current one you have to use xinerama [20:39] tsunami_: you can try to delete the .cache for xfce [20:39] it helps ofen for me [20:40] But, I can, I mean, xrandr works fine, except for that 1600x1600 desktop limitation. But I wish amdcccle wasn't so buggy: it just doesn't do anything. I'll look into xinerama and otherwise I'll go back to the open source drivers. [20:40] im using the proprietary one and have to use xinerama for dual-screen [20:41] xrandr doesnt work with ati [20:46] okay quick question: 'you must restart your computer', can I just log out and back in? lol. [20:46] baizon, it said invalid filename when I try to delete .cache...... funny [20:46] .cache folder :P [20:52] ^^ [20:57] baizon: Thank you for setting me onto xinerama. I thought I had bad memories about this, but everything is working fine :) [20:57] I have a .cache folder with lots of folders there do you whant me to delete them all? [20:58] mic_: good to hear [20:58] baizon, I have a .cache folder with lots of folders there do you whant me to delete them all? [20:58] tsunami_: no [20:59] tsunami_: ~/.cache/sessions [21:03] ah ok shoul I delete all tose txt files? [21:03] yes [21:03] and restart X server [21:04] baizon: I just noticed the resolution on my right monitor isn't quite right. (I thought I'd fix that by turning xinerama off, change resolution, turn on; description in amdcccle made me think so) but I think the new resolution didn't stay when going into xinerama [21:04] mic_: try... sudo aticonfig --initial=dual-head --screen-layout=right [21:04] aticonfig --overlay-on=1 [21:04] Restart X Server. [21:04] aticonfig --xinerama=on [21:05] alright [21:08] baizon: no change [21:09] aticonfig --resolution=0,1680x1050 [21:09] aticonfig --resolution=1,1680x1050 [21:09] and try to change the resolution [21:09] for your screen [21:10] baizon, all is the same, cant access partitions [21:10] tsunami_: are they detected? [21:10] fdisk -l [21:11] baizon: errir at set screeb resolution : screen1 does not exist [21:11] error* [21:12] (for --resolution=1) [21:16] baizon, http://pastebin.com/9AJAGjgn [21:17] baizon, yes they seem to be detected [21:18] whats the error msg? [21:18] is it mounted? [21:18] mic_: google ;) [21:19] they say to be mounted but there is nothing there when I go there /media/xxxx [21:21] I think it might be something to do with fstab but I cant fix it [21:22] baizon, can you have a look here? http://pastebin.com/45cegSGR [21:25] tsunami_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab [21:25] :) [21:29] do you think is the fstab, I am afraid of braking it [21:30] baison, do you think something is wrong in the fstab ? [21:30] how do i stop the gui in xubuntu? [21:31] from within tty1 [21:32] it seams that https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab is down [21:32] and this one too https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Autofs [21:32] spanner3003: what version? [21:32] 11.10 [21:33] up again! :) [21:33] baizon, [21:34] spanner3003: http://www.uptechtalk.com/?p=162 [21:35] first link that google search gave me :P [21:37] can i do the with sudo /etc/init.d/lightdm stop? [21:38] spanner3003: but it will start at next boot [21:38] so it is pointless [21:39] not if your build and it's on all the time [21:39] thank you :D [21:39] ok [21:39] np [21:46] hi all, does anyone know a good place on the web to understand the dmesg output properly please? [21:48] andythenoob: http://linuxgazette.net/issue59/nazario.html [21:49] perfect, many thanks! === `mOOse` is now known as m00se === `mOOse` is now known as m00se