| apachelogger | [kubuntu-members] Ask upstream KDE PIM on their recommendation of mysql vs sqlite: TODO | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| apachelogger | mysql | 00:00 |
| * apachelogger is having a dejavu | 00:13 | |
| apachelogger | bug 942324 | 00:34 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 942324 in kde-baseapps (Ubuntu) "Don't hide Kfind from menu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/942324 | 00:34 |
| apachelogger | I think we can drop the patch for that | 00:34 |
| apachelogger | rationale was that we did not use kfind as search thingy | 00:34 |
| * apachelogger personally doesn't see the use of it with nepomuk around but ... | 00:35 | |
| apachelogger | as long as it is not on the cd (which it should not be anymore anyway) I do not see any harm in unhiding it | 00:35 |
| apachelogger | particularly since it is no more accessible from within dolphin (which was the case before the great nepomuk integration | 00:35 |
| apachelogger | ) | 00:35 |
| rbelem | Riddell, bulldog98, i uploaded a new kde-artwork-active, that fixes the image path installation | 00:36 |
| rbelem | to kubuntu-active ppa | 00:36 |
| apachelogger | dantti: https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/base/print-manager/repository/revisions/7e9a2796866fb7211cdd842cb15b9933bf77fb29 | 00:40 |
| apachelogger | you should totally git pull --rebase :) | 00:40 |
| apachelogger | rbelem: where is your copyright generation script btw? | 00:41 |
| apachelogger | also I need a new mind buddy since jon is never here when I am being creative | 00:44 |
| ScottK | He's pretty much never here period. | 01:03 |
| ScottK | We get this shiny new updater and then upstream gets bored apparently. | 01:03 |
| * apachelogger sends spam to nixternal | 01:10 | |
| apachelogger | neversfelde is also never here | 01:11 |
| apachelogger | quite the council we have S: | 01:11 |
| sreich | ScottK: what shiiny new updater? | 01:19 |
| apachelogger | the one that made me report a bug today :P | 01:25 |
| apachelogger | new muon | 01:25 |
| ScottK | sreich: Muon. | 01:58 |
| ScottK | (the one that's shiny for us because it's optimized for our package system) | 01:58 |
| sreich | ah | 01:58 |
| dantti | apachelogger: yes, I added it to git config --global yesterday.. | 02:09 |
| apachelogger | :) | 02:09 |
| apachelogger | dantti++ | 02:09 |
| dantti | apachelogger: I didn't know how to do it before I read some kde-core-mails | 02:09 |
| dantti | apachelogger: btw is it working nicely for you? | 02:10 |
| apachelogger | I only thought of it because of the rant on kc ^^ | 02:10 |
| dantti | the last push added a bunch of stuff | 02:10 |
| apachelogger | dantti: didn't try it yet, lunchpad decides to screw with me | 02:10 |
| dantti | right :) | 02:10 |
| apachelogger | dantti: FWIW... it worked fine last I tried which was last we talked about it | 02:10 |
| dantti | apachelogger: cool, if you can please test if adding new printers shows a nice popup (you have to restart kded and kill printer-applet) | 02:11 |
| apachelogger | tomorrow ... if I get a package ^^ | 02:11 |
| dantti | (by adding I mean remove you usb from CUPS and then just plug and wait) | 02:11 |
| dantti | apachelogger: ok np :) | 02:11 |
| dantti | apachelogger: I'm working on colord stuff now... | 02:11 |
| apachelogger | good thing is ... thanks to packaging recipes we can roll packages right from lunchpad without much effort | 02:12 |
| dantti | so hopefully on kde 4.9 we have both in extragear of something.. | 02:12 |
| apachelogger | *And* lock it to a given version | 02:12 |
| dantti | apachelogger: right you mean for inclusion on the 12.04 as an alternative? | 02:12 |
| apachelogger | so technically we can deliver a daily build from lastest git and a QA'd version for more general concumption | 02:12 |
| apachelogger | dantti: too late for 12.04 IMHO ... PPA should be fine though | 02:13 |
| dantti | ok :) | 02:13 |
| apachelogger | then push it as default for KDE SC 4.10 (if there will be one) & Kubuntu 12.10 | 02:13 |
| apachelogger | as I said, last I used it it was working more reliable than printer-applet already | 02:14 |
| dantti | apachelogger: ok, cool... now let's try to get color stuff fast on KDE... :) | 02:17 |
| apachelogger | dantti: what is that? | 02:24 |
| * apachelogger has a broken fglrx and a broken plasma and a broken krandr \\o/ | 02:24 | |
| dantti | apachelogger: didn't you follow last color heat stuff on k-c-d? the colord vs oyranos... :P | 02:25 |
| apachelogger | no, I was not reading stuff the past week | 02:25 |
| dantti | apachelogger: http://blog.tenstral.net/2012/02/wanted-kde-color-management-kcm.html http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2012/02/22/looking-for-a-cool-kde-person/ | 02:26 |
| dantti | I was willing to help colord in kde since my led monitor sucked on it's colors... (now I plan on buying one IPS but still this is pretty usefull) | 02:27 |
| apachelogger | oh | 02:27 |
| apachelogger | plasma is still bugged, but we need color management :P | 02:28 |
| apachelogger | priorities anyone? :P | 02:28 |
| apachelogger | dantti: so before you jump into color management.... what needs doing for print-manager before we can shuff it into KDE SC? | 02:28 |
| dantti | apachelogger: well I'm already doing sort of both, afiestas asked me to fill some pre reqs for a GSoc | 02:29 |
| dantti | so it's really just a few things now.. | 02:29 |
| dantti | from the localhost:631 point of view it's 1:1 in the features (tho I should add a context menu to "Reject Jobs" | 02:30 |
| dantti | but that's very easy.. | 02:30 |
| * apachelogger wonders whether it is feasable to target kde sc 4.9 even | 02:30 | |
| dantti | http://community.kde.org/GSoC/2012/Ideas#Project:_Finishing_and_Polishing_Printing_support | 02:30 |
| dantti | apachelogger: well as it's 1:1 to cups web interface I'm going to push it to at least extragear so distros can start shiping as an alternative... | 02:31 |
| apachelogger | dantti: why not SC? | 02:32 |
| apachelogger | dantti: I mean, it matches the current printer-applets features, no? | 02:32 |
| apachelogger | so I do not see why that should not be replaced entirely, then you do not have to care about release stuff yourself :) | 02:32 |
| dantti | apachelogger: well, the printer-applet can be replaced but the Add New Printer wizard doesn't has all the features... | 02:33 |
| dantti | like samba browsing, ipp queue query and best PPD finder... | 02:34 |
| dantti | basically that... | 02:34 |
| apachelogger | dantti: does the printer-applet do that? | 02:34 |
| dantti | no | 02:34 |
| apachelogger | so it does not matter | 02:34 |
| dantti | it just show jobs and show a popup when a printer is added and the udev rule installs it automatically for you | 02:34 |
| dantti | apachelogger: aren't s-c-p-kde connected to the printer-applet? | 02:35 |
| dantti | *isn't | 02:35 |
| apachelogger | they are the same thing | 02:35 |
| apachelogger | or something | 02:35 |
| apachelogger | well, created at the same time anyway | 02:35 |
| apachelogger | dantti: tell you what, I'll have a look at the current state tomorrow, it is hard to talk about things I don't know about ^^ | 02:36 |
| dantti | afaik they are two components of the s-c-p-kde, so the applet can be replaced the KCM not entirely | 02:36 |
| apachelogger | but really, I would push it out rather sooner than later | 02:36 |
| dantti | apachelogger: sure, pretty much try adding new printers you will see the differences | 02:36 |
| apachelogger | then again my mantra is release or perish ^^ | 02:37 |
| dantti | apachelogger: sure that's why I'd like to at least push it to extragear | 02:37 |
| apachelogger | yah | 02:37 |
| apachelogger | so, I think we should put a snapshot into the beta ppa and lock that on a revision we know works well | 02:38 |
| apachelogger | and keep a rolling snapshot in the experimental ppa | 02:38 |
| apachelogger | then call for people to test the beta thing | 02:38 |
| apachelogger | that should give reasonable testing for the existing features | 02:39 |
| dantti | apachelogger: sure :D I also need to blog about last changes so if you do that please tell me the ppa so I put it into the blog post | 02:47 |
| apachelogger | dantti: once lunchpad decides to do things faster than 12 hours ;) | 02:49 |
| dantti | k :P | 02:49 |
| Mamarok | Good morning everyone :) | 06:33 |
| tsdgeos | Riddell: will 4.8.1 made it into precise "easily" ? | 08:09 |
| agateau | tsdgeos: kubuntu usually ships with 4.x.2 if that's what you are looking for? | 08:27 |
| agateau | so I expect 4.8.1 to be available in precise soon as a simple dist-upgrade | 08:27 |
| tsdgeos | agateau: what i'm looking for is to have the "virtuoso eats 400% of my cpu fixed" | 08:41 |
| tsdgeos | that is suppossedly fixed in 4.8.1 | 08:41 |
| agateau | tsdgeos: should be there in a few days | 08:41 |
| Riddell | "200 units of Original Buff® will be €6.98 + vat and €50 shipping" I want Kubuntu buffs :) | 09:08 |
| stefan` | b | 09:11 |
| Riddell | hi stefan` | 09:11 |
| stefan` | sorry ;) | 09:12 |
| Mamarok | interesting, virtuoso doesn't eat CPU for me in KDE 4.8 on Precise | 09:41 |
| tazz | anyone here using kvm-qemu for cd testing ? | 09:41 |
| Mamarok | tazz: nope, testing on an old laptop | 09:42 |
| tazz | Mamarok, lucky you :) | 09:43 |
| Riddell | I've used virtualbox in the past but it hasn't worked for me recently, linux driver broken | 09:43 |
| Mamarok | well, yes, I kept it for my translation work with Trados which sadly doesn't work on Linux | 09:43 |
| Riddell | !testers | 10:03 |
| ubottu | Testing help needed in #kubuntu-devel ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, em | 10:03 |
| Riddell | go go iso testing! http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/208/builds | 10:03 |
| Riddell | note to self: ubiquity needs the little corner image removed, it was for the old wallpaper | 10:33 |
| Riddell | yofel: yes the keyboard selection does seem to have disappeared, that might be due to fixes to stop it crashing | 10:33 |
| Riddell | question to self: usb keys are so much better than CDs, why did I use CDs for so long? | 10:34 |
| yofel | why are we hiding kfind? (bug 942324) | 10:58 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 942324 in kde-baseapps (Ubuntu) "Don't hide Kfind from menu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/942324 | 10:58 |
| Riddell | yofel: kfind isn't installed by default | 11:00 |
| Riddell | dolphin is better for finding files | 11:00 |
| Riddell | probably the NoDisplay=true is a patch from when i started kubuntu and wanted to tidy up the kmenu | 11:01 |
| yofel | sure, but if it's not installed by default there's no point in hiding it when someone does install it | 11:02 |
| Riddell | yes, feel free to fix | 11:02 |
| CIA-42 | [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-baseapps] Philip Muškovac * 208 * debian/ (patches/kubuntu_04_hide_kfind.diff changelog patches/series) Don't hide kfind by default now that it's not installed by default anymore (LP: #942324) | 11:05 |
| Riddell | where do qapt bugs go? | 11:10 |
| Riddell | it isn't registered in bugs.kde.org | 11:10 |
| Riddell | mm still 9MB and 28MB to be removed from the alternate CDs | 11:16 |
| Riddell | (before beta 2) | 11:16 |
| Riddell | guess we can be more reckless there and just remove an app or two, they're less important | 11:16 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Muon is registered on b.k.o. I'd send them there. | 12:04 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: remove print drivers ;) | 12:33 |
| apachelogger | they are gigantic | 12:34 |
| BluesKaj | Howdy all | 12:49 |
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| ScottK | apachelogger: But not for any printers I own, please. | 13:49 |
| BluesKaj | 'Morning folks , where is the kdm conf file stored? ...thought it was in /user/share , but it's not there | 14:06 |
| ScottK | BluesKaj: /etc/kde4/kdm | 14:07 |
| BluesKaj | ScottK, thanks :) | 14:08 |
| ScottK | You're welcome. | 14:08 |
| debfx | is the just me or is the lp api currently broken? | 14:16 |
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| maco | Riddell: does Muon have package version pinning? | 16:07 |
| maco | i know aptitude and synaptic can lock a package version | 16:07 |
| maco | apt-get, stupidly, lacks this functionality | 16:08 |
| maco | and i've got a kubuntu user whose internet goes POOF every kernel update because the linux kernel lacks a working driver for her and she has to compile one from scratch every time it updates, which requires my assistance | 16:08 |
| maco | (i've never used muon. or oneiric for that matter) | 16:09 |
| yofel | iirc you can prevent kernel updates if you remove the kernel meta packages | 16:09 |
| yofel | like linux-image-generc etc. | 16:09 |
| yofel | apt-get does know pinning, but only manual using /etc/apt/preferences | 16:10 |
| maco | yeah pinning manually is kinda a pain in the rear. aptitude lets you say "aptitude hold package" | 16:10 |
| maco | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto#Introduction_to_Holding_Packages could work though | 16:11 |
| Riddell | maco: no I don't think so | 16:16 |
| * yofel syncs images again | 16:20 | |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: poke poke | 16:34 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: mm? | 16:34 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: good idea to move Qt 4.8 into Kubuntu Backports? | 16:35 |
| shadeslayer | or should I leave it in Experimental ... afiestas tested it and said all looked good | 16:35 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: kubuntu-ppa/backports? yeah I guess so | 16:36 |
| shadeslayer | yes, okay, I'll copy them then | 16:37 |
| shadeslayer | hmm ... new icons for LP? | 16:37 |
| yofel | yeah | 16:37 |
| shadeslayer | uhh .. what's the "s-series" | 16:37 |
| yofel | O, P, Q, R, S? | 16:38 |
| Riddell | future versions of ubuntu | 16:38 |
| Riddell | yet to be named | 16:38 |
| shadeslayer | nope, just s,r and q | 16:38 |
| shadeslayer | oh | 16:38 |
| yofel | well, yeah, they just don't have names yet | 16:38 |
| * shadeslayer ponders why LP would create release pockets for those | 16:38 | |
| shadeslayer | hahah : http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/linus | 16:40 |
| * shadeslayer can't stop laughing after reading the first few lines | 16:40 | |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: so we can target bugs and specs to them | 16:41 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: uhh ... I think LP is planning too far ahead into the future | 16:41 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: they just do 'from __future__ import s-series', and considering LP is python that's perfectly valid :P | 16:44 |
| shadeslayer | heh | 16:45 |
| shadeslayer | python ... doing nasty stuff to your present *and* your future | 16:45 |
| BarkingFish | Afternoodles guys, long time no see. How's everything going with the prep for Precise? | 16:49 |
| yofel | BarkingFish: testing isos for beta1 right now, feel free to chime in | 16:49 |
| yofel | otherwise, bugfixing time | 16:49 |
| BarkingFish | yofel: I'm probably gonna have to go bugfixing more than iso testing, I'm a disk drive down at the moment and can't immediately grab a new one to stick a second OS on | 16:51 |
| Riddell | crashers in rekonq and plasma activities I've found just by logging in | 16:52 |
| Riddell | also an easy fix to be made in ubiquity | 16:52 |
| BarkingFish | Unless I can get my hands on a new 1 or 2TB SATA within a week or so, I'm gonna be stuck | 16:52 |
| Riddell | we need testing today and tomorrow, but we'll be back into testing in a few weeks too | 16:53 |
| * shadeslayer can help with seeding and stuff | 16:54 | |
| BarkingFish | what are we looking at for an expected release date? | 16:55 |
| yofel | !schedule | BarkingFish | 16:55 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about schedule | 16:55 |
| yofel | !schedule-#ubuntu+1 | BarkingFish | 16:55 |
| ubottu | BarkingFish: A schedule of Precise Pangolin (12.04) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PreciseReleaseSchedule | 16:55 |
| BarkingFish | excellent, thanks yofel :) | 16:56 |
| BarkingFish | so 26th april... that's...barely 8 weeks :P | 16:57 |
| BarkingFish | gotta scoot for a bit, see you later :) | 16:58 |
| BluesKaj | well, my samba connections to the windows 7 pc which i use as a media backup drive , is oger accessible , so trying to resset the samba/smb networking won't allow deletion the old connections in order to replace them | 17:09 |
| BluesKaj | no longer accessible | 17:10 |
| Riddell | BluesKaj: ask rbelem | 17:14 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: http://dantti.wordpress.com/2012/02/28/print-manager-improvements/ | 18:25 |
| yofel | hm | 18:40 |
| yofel | does someone remember when jockey was supposed to show up after installation? | 18:40 |
| BluesKaj | rbelem , samba no longer connects to W7 pc which contains a lot of our backed up media files . ssh and fish work on the linux to linux networking , but W7 just times out | 18:53 |
| rbelem | BluesKaj, did you try the cmd line client? | 18:58 |
| rbelem | apachelogger, it is not complete yet. a very begging work in progress, but it will be ready for uds-q | 18:59 |
| rbelem | *begining | 18:59 |
| BluesKaj | rbelem, smbclient -L //IPaddress -U target-pc ? | 19:00 |
| rbelem | BluesKaj, smbclient -U target-pc-user //IPaddress/folder | 19:02 |
| BluesKaj | rbelem, session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE | 19:05 |
| rbelem | BluesKaj, create a new user in thw w7 machine, set a password for it and try again using the new user | 19:06 |
| BluesKaj | rbelem, had log off for a few mins , with a new user on W7, "smbclient -U target-pc-user //IPaddress/folder", returns , "session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_TYPE_NOT_GRANTED" | 19:28 |
| BluesKaj | the whole C drive is temporarily shared , just for convenience | 19:30 |
| rbelem | BluesKaj, this seems to be a w7 security setting | 19:32 |
| rbelem | BluesKaj, try this one http://simplygenius.com/2006/04/accessing-windows-shares-from-os-x_14.html | 19:34 |
| Mamarok | hm, how can I modify the sources to avoid getting these ignore messages about the translations when updating? | 19:39 |
| BluesKaj | rbelem, your suggestion worked . I added myself as an admin on the W7 pc and I was able to login as the different user with admin priveleges | 19:45 |
| BluesKaj | thanks rbelem :) | 19:45 |
| rbelem | BluesKaj, u r welcome :-) | 19:46 |
| BluesKaj | I went thru the add network folder procedure | 19:46 |
| BluesKaj | ok , now back to my taxes :( | 19:48 |
| yofel | hm, the german ubiquity slideshow isn't completely translated as always - where does one fix that again? | 20:01 |
| ScottK | plasma network manager 0.9 final release is in Debian. | 20:04 |
| ScottK | yofel: In launchpad, somewhere. | 20:05 |
| yofel | ScottK: oh great, less work for me (nm) | 20:05 |
| ScottK | rbelem: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/daily-live/20120228.1/ | 21:28 |
| starbuck | hello, I have been installing kubuntu lately in German (German language, timezone and keyboard), and noticed, that the country was still set to USA. That resulted in clock displaying am/pm etc. Is this a known problem of ubiquity and fixed in 12.04? Which setting should actually influence country (I guess the timezone?). | 21:29 |
| ScottK | yofel: ^^^ Is that like the problem you were having? | 21:31 |
| yofel | hm, I didn't check the country settings actually. What I had was using german language and ubiquity selection english keyboard layout by default | 21:34 |
| yofel | *selecting | 21:34 |
| starbuck | yesm that is true also | 21:34 |
| ScottK | Perhaps you two should collaborate on a really good bug report. | 21:36 |
| starbuck | :) | 21:38 |
| starbuck | also the colors for showing the partitions during setup are pretty similar default (blue and light blue) and therefore imo hard to distinct : | 21:38 |
| starbuck | http://blog.nik0.de/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/ubiquity.png | 21:38 |
| yofel | starbuck: that hasn't changed in precise. Can you file a bug against ubiquity? | 21:42 |
| yofel | oh cool, we have a kubuntu active image to test \o/ | 21:44 |
| ScottK | yofel: Just i386 for now, but we'll do arm once we've smoke tested it on i386. | 22:01 |
| yofel | well, means bulldog98_ has work to do :D | 22:01 |
| starbuck | yofel: where do i do that again (bugfile)? | 22:22 |
| yofel | starbuck: preferably after installation run: ubuntu-bug ubiquity | 22:23 |
| yofel | which will take you to launchpad (you need an account there) | 22:23 |
| starbuck | isnt color for ubuntu different than kubuntu? | 22:24 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 22:24 |
| debfx | maco: you can hold packages in apt (at least apt-get respects that but I assume muon will too) with apt-mark hold <pkg> | 22:28 |
| maco | debfx: apt-mark is a new one for me. thanks! | 22:35 |
| Riddell | evening | 22:45 |
| Riddell | anyone tested active yet? I doubt it does anything | 22:48 |
| Riddell | there's no xsession file | 22:48 |
| ScottK | Riddell: At least it built. | 22:49 |
| Riddell | ScottK: yes one step closer | 22:52 |
| Riddell | ScottK: I set it to i386 only for now, we can add arm when we know it works and we have testers | 22:53 |
| nixternal | is kde-telepathy going to be any better before release? | 22:54 |
| Riddell | nixternal: yes but what issues have you had with it? | 23:20 |
| nixternal | i keep getting popups to verify a person who added me. i select "deny" and everytime I log in, i get that same message | 23:29 |
| nixternal | to fix it, i got rid of all IM carriers except for gtalk | 23:29 |
| Riddell | nixternal: ask in #kde-telepathy | 23:30 |
| nixternal | i am sure there is a bug for it. i was trying to find the source but i couldn't find it in extragear. that is where it is supposed to be located according to a blog post | 23:30 |
| Riddell | it could also be in the telepathy backend | 23:31 |
| nixternal | also need to try and figure out what happened to CUPS and my printer. the driver is listed but it doesn't work in precise | 23:31 |
| Riddell | https://projects.kde.org/search?projects=1&q=telepathy | 23:31 |
| * Riddell snoozes | 23:32 | |
| * yofel is off to bed - good night | 23:50 | |
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